Category talk:Newport, Wales

Hold on

We also have Newport, Pembrokeshire so we have to come up with a better name than Category:Newport, Wales. Multichill (talk) 08:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I take it we can't just use the Welsh name, Casnewydd? I would have to say though, that when it disambiguates itself, Newport styles itself as Newport, South Wales, not Newport, Wales. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:08, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I like local languages but I don't think that a Welsh name will help, unless you want to hide it in a deep corner. "Newport, South Wales" should be better indeed, but maybe we should have a look at all possible city, district and historical variants before changing it. --Foroa (talk) 16:16, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

As a native Welsh-speaker I think Casnewydd would be great, but I recognise that is probably not feasible here as few non-Welsh speakers would recognise it, alas. The problem doesn't arise on Welsh Wikipedia as Trefdraeth is the name of the other Welsh 'Newport' but we do have a disambiguation page for 'Newport' (as does 'en'). I don't think 'Newport, South Wales' is acceptable as 'South Wales' is not an official region or area and its definition varies [and can include Pembrokeshire!]. Newport does, however, lie in the "preserved county" of Gwent, so I'd suggest Category:Newport, Gwent. Arguably 'en' is right to have Category:Newport as this is by far the biggest place of that name (there are quite a few places called 'London', but we don't have 'Category:London, England'), but the bots might not see things the same way, I suppose. Anatiomaros (talk) 17:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

"Newport, Wales" is fine in my view. It matches the main Wikipedia article, which was disambiguated after a protracted debate. As a major city and county in Wales this Newport is definitely the main Newport in the country and already has a hatnote to direct people to the Pembrokeshire place. Gwent is anachronistic and flies in the face of naming categories after their current (not historic) location. I doubt "Newport (Casnewydd)" would be any improvement, particularly because Newport is not a strong Welsh-speaking area. Sionk (talk) 15:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

That title was chosen because there was no consensus on the target but consensus to remove the primary topic. The words "No prejudice towards another RM if a better way way of disambiguating the article is found" were used at the end. "Gwent" is still a preserved county so appears to be like Berkshire for example (ceremonial purposes), see w:Preserved counties of Wales. Crouch, Swale (talk) 07:37, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Berkshire still exists as a county of England, so is not a good comparison. Maybe I'm contradicting my last comment here, but "Newport (Casnewydd)" would work as a disambiguator (as opposed to simply "Casnewydd"). I've searched the City Council website and am none the wiser as to the proper name for the area - City of Newport? City and County of Newport? Newport County Borough?? Sionk (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Berkshire is no longer finctioning as an administrative county, see w:Berkshire County Council. w:Newport, Wales states that the "Ceremonial county" is Gwent in the info box. The names you gave are the long names for the county borough that Newport lies in like Category:Bridgend County Borough so wouldn't be a good target (but might be titles used if we split the cat). I would ask if natural or parenthetical disambiguation would be possible. I would assume "Newport-upon-Usk" wouldn't work as it appears to be very uncommon (especially today) "Newport (Welsh city)" might do but could cause confusion with the county borough as that appears to hold the city status (if we do end up splitting the cat). Crouch, Swale (talk) 05:57, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

 Comment Copied above to CFD (more appropriate venue).--Nilfanion (talk) 09:12, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Cfd

Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2017/06/Category:Newport,_Wales closed as no consensus to change. Rodhullandemu (talk) 22:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)