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Category:Lindenhof request to be moved to Category:Lindenhof, ZürichEdit

Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Hi. "Lindenhof" - a subcat of Category:Zürich, Switzerland - is (very) often used for uploads. Regards, Roland zh 22:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

  • There are just too many Lindenhof as you can see in de:Lindenhof. Note that on Commons, we go much deeper in categorisation than in wikipedias, so the naming should be disambiguated much more. The fact that it is a subcat of Zürich is not relevant for people that want to create un upload to other Lindenhofs. --Foroa (talk) 06:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose Fact is, Foroa: There are no "other" de:Lindenhof commons categories used, excluding Category:Lindenhof (quarter of Zürich), Category:Lindenhof hill (historical hill with same name in Zürich) and Category:Lindenhofschule. Its context is given without any doubt, there's no significant reason to change this very often used (numerous subcats) commons Category:Lindenhof. If so, you'd rename imho thousands of other commons categories named with 'too short' category names, and rename and rename ;-) 77.56.68.49 13:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

(reset indent) I can see your point, but I think that you are too much Zürich centric (no offense, this is normal). But you have to understand that I want to avoid too many category moves, and for now, my proposed rename has no impact on the existing subcategories yet. (for many categories with popular names, such as Rome, Victoria, Florence, we'll have to do massive moves because people are trying to get the exclusivity of a name as you do)

It is true that in the German wiki, there are not many articles starting with Lindenhof. On the dutch wiki, there is only one for the German Lindenhof, not for the Zürich one, so there, the German Lindenhof seems to be the most important one. Anyway, the wikipedias give only an indication of what disambiguation might be needed; in practise we see that for cities with extended commons population, we will have 10 to 100 times more commons categories than we have articles on the wikipedia, so we have to try to anticipate conflicts.

The main reason why I propose the move is because there are many more Lindenhof's than you might think. In many Germanic countries (Germany, the Netherlands, part of Switzerland and Belgium), there are tens of villages, quarters, areas, streets, restaurants and pubs that are called Lindenhof. You even have one in the UK and many in South Africa (even Lindenhof estates and a winery I believe). To quote you: "If so, you'd rename imho thousands of other commons categories named with 'too short' category names, and rename and rename ": indeed, I spend already too much of my time doing renames, which I want to avoid with a little anticipation before it is too late and the ambiguous name spreads to the subcategories. Don't forget that most people that want to find a Lindenhof category, will find their Lindenhof the most important and assume that the Lindenhof they see is theirs. I made several experiments with disambiguation pages, and in the end, one sees that most people take in most cases the shortest name, disambiguation or not (as long it is blue or valid), and just drop their image there. Therefore, all the disambiguation pages I make are in the style "Lindenhof (disambiguation)", as they don't attract "lazy" categorisations. So in the long run, it is in your interest too. You would be really surprised how many miscategorised images arrive in categories that have many "short" redirects to it. --Foroa (talk) 18:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC) --Foroa (talk) 14:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


PS: Quickly a couple of lindenhofs from Google maps:

  • Lindenhof 3236 Ins, Erlach, BE, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, 8001 Zürich, Zürich, ZH, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, 3210 Kerzers, See/Lac, FR, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, 4954 Wyssachen, Trachselwald, BE, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, 6163 Entlebuch, Entlebuch, LU, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, 3252 Kappelen, Aarberg, BE, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, 6216 Mauensee, Sursee, LU, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, 6280 Römerswil, Hochdorf, LU, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, *Lindenhofstrasse, 8001 Zürich, Zürich, ZH, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, 9477 Wartau, Zwitserland
  • Lindenhof, 97450 Arnstein, Main-Spessart, BY, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof, 24790 Ostenfeld (Rendsburg), Rendsburg-Eckernförde, SH, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof, 64397 Modautal, Darmstadt-Dieburg, HE, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof, 15345 Altlandsberg, Märkisch-Oderland, BB, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof, 19243 Wittendörp, Ludwigslust, MV, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof, Eningen unter Achalm, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof, 67308, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof 73312 Geislingen an der Steige, Göppingen, BW, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof 25355 Groß Offenseth-Aspern, Pinneberg, SH, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof 73494 Rosenberg, Ostalbkreis, BW, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof 91338 Igensdorf, Forchheim, BY, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof 17094 Burg Stargard, Mecklenburg-Strelitz, MV, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof 76698 Ubstadt-Weiher, Karlsruhe LK, BW, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof 24635 Rickling, Segeberg, SH, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof 66687 Wadern, Merzig-Wadern, SL, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof 65205 Wiesbaden, Wiesbaden, HE, Duitsland
  • Lindenhof, 5671 Nuenen, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 6006 Weert, Weert, LB, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 9471 Zuidlaren, Tynaarlo, DR, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 6669 Dodewaard, Neder-Betuwe, GL, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 6971 Brummen, Brummen, GL, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 6131 Sittard, Geleen, LB, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 6916 Tolkamer, Rijnwaarden, GL, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 6581 Malden, Heumen, GL, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 2631 Nootdorp, Pijnacker, Zuid-Holland, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 7256 Keijenborg, Bronckhorst, GL, Nederland
  • Lindenhof, 5162 Obertrum am See, Austria
  • Lindenhof, Hives Ln, North Scarle LN6, UK
  • Lindenhof, Diest 3290 Diest, Vlaams Brabant, Vlaams Gewest
  • Lindenhof, Geel 2440 Geel, Antwerpen, Vlaams Gewest
  • Lindenhof, Assent 3460 Bekkevoort, Vlaams Brabant, Vlaams Gewest
  • Lindenhof, Zele 9240 Zele, Oost-Vlaanderen, Vlaams Gewest
  • Lindenhof, Klemskerke 8420 De Haan, West-Vlaanderen, Vlaams Gewest
  • Lindenhof, Brackenfell 7560, Zuid-Afrika

Or from [1]

  • Lindenhof Austria Kärnten farm
  • Lindenhof Austria Niederösterreich farm
  • Lindenhof Austria Niederösterreich farm
  • Lindenhof Austria Salzburg populated place
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg populated place
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg populated place
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Baden-Württemberg populated place
  • Lindenhof Germany Bayern populated place
  • Lindenhof Germany Bayern farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Bayern farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Bayern farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Bayern farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Berlin farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Brandenburg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Brandenburg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Brandenburg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Brandenburg farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Hessen populated place
  • Lindenhof Germany Hessen farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Mecklenburg-Vorpommern populated place
  • Lindenhof Germany Mecklenburg-Vorpommern farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Mecklenburg-Vorpommern farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Mecklenburg-Vorpommern farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Nordrhein-Westfalen farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Nordrhein-Westfalen farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Nordrhein-Westfalen farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Sachsen farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Sachsen-Anhalt populated place
  • Lindenhof Germany Sachsen-Anhalt farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Sachsen-Anhalt farm
  • Lindenhof Germany Thüringen populated place
  • Lindenhof Switzerland Switzerland (general) populated place
  • Lindenhof, Försterei Germany Hessen building(s)
  • Lindenhof, Gasthof Austria Niederösterreich guest house

--Foroa (talk) 14:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)