Commons:Categories for discussion/2012/03/Category:Churchyards

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Category:ChurchyardsEdit

Reasons for discussion request - See the definition in en:Churchyard

NB problem seems to affect all subcateories

This category contains predominately church graveyards - suggest renaming and all subcategories to "Category:Church graveyards ..." or block moving contents to similar titles. 99% of the content is plain wrong - it should be in "Churches of .. " "Graves in .." or "Church graveyards .." -- challenge is to find a single image of a churchyard amongst the 'spam'. There needs to be some cleanup on this whatever the solution.-Mddkpp (talk) 16:01, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

To me (and many others I noticed), a church graveyard is a specialisation (=subcat) of a generic churchyard. I doubt that it is worth making everywhere "church graveyards" categories. --Foroa (talk) 14:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Not really convinced that we need a separate category for Church graveyards, especially as Churchyards is a subcategory of Burial grounds. What is the point? There may, however, be a case for getting rid of the category completely, as it appears to be simply causing confusion. Most files of Churchyards are actually categorised under Cemeteries (often for good reason: it is sometimes very difficult to determine whether an image is a Churchyard or a Cemetery). Are there that many Churchyards that are not also Cemeteries? Suggest we get rid, and move everything to Category:Cemeteries, but am open to counterarguments. Skinsmoke (talk) 14:32, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

As for Estonia roughly half of the churchyards (especially those in Livonian part) have never been used as cemeteries. Also I wouldn't call such churchyard that includes only a couple of very old stone crosses a cemeterey. In case a churchyard is also clearly a cemetery I'd add "Cemeteries in Estonia" to specific churchyard in addition to "Churchyards in Estonia". I've used subcats for specific churchyards to gather images by location (images that depict elements surrounding the church and are additionally categorized as e.g graves, crosses, monuments, chapels, trees, walls), which makes sense to me.

As for rest of the countries I see lots of images that mainly depict the church itself, which are in addition categorized as churches and as church having its yard is somewhat obvious, a churcyard category in addition to church category seems redundant indeed. Phrase "church graveyard" doesn't seem common, even if a churchyard is used as a cemetery, it's still a churchyard. I'd find the categorizing schema OK if only specific churchyards or churchyards in specific countries were considered as cemeteries in addition. 90.190.114.172 08:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Clearly there are many churchyards that are also cemeteries, and I've no doubt there are some miscategorised images. But a rename is not necessarily going to help the miscategorised stuff, and at least as far as England goes not all churchyards are or ever have been cemeteries (especially for new churches). So I'd say we should leave the structure as is. If anyone is minded to try and merge those churchyards that are also cemeteries into cemeteries are they going to volunteer to go through the existing ones and do some research and recatogorise as a cemetery or merely garden of the relevant church? It would be a huge amount of work just to do that for England, and there is no point discussing such an exercise unless there are volunteers to do that work. WereSpielChequers (talk) 11:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Not done, as per discussion, not all churchyards are graveyards. --rimshottalk 22:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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