Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Tartu Landmarks 07.jpg

File:Tartu Landmarks 07.jpg

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Info Flags of Estonia at Tartu Town Hall behind fountain with shadowed sculpture of "Kissing Students" discretely embracing beneath 'umbrella' - created, uploaded, nominated by Scotch Mist -- SM:!) (talk) 14:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- SM:!) (talk) 14:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Subject in the shadow and chaotic composition with tight crop at the top -- Basile Morin (talk) 00:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Basile Morin: Although new to FP it has quickly become evident that high quality beautiful photographs taken under near-ideal lighting conditions and geometrically composed according to accepted standards (sometimes artistically) are preferred over images that attempt to tell a story beyond that of a two-dimensional photograph but are considered 'technically inferior' in some way (sometimes deliberately to convey a particular message). Perhaps there should be a 'new category' for good quality images with the merit that they successfully (which admittedly may not be the case here) provoke more contemplation of the thoughts behind creating the image rather than have them simply dismissed as "chaotic compositions". It is less than thirty years since Estonia, with 'independence', stepped out of the shadows of totalitarian Soviet rule but Tartu is geographically less than 50Km from Russia. --SM:!) (talk) 10:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Scotch Mist: Not sure to understand you. But in addition not being FP-level in my view, I'm afraid your work should be deleted per COM:FOP Estonia because no FoP allowed when the sculpture is the main subject -- Basile Morin (talk) 11:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I withdraw my nomination @Basile Morin: It is regrettable that you apparently would prefer to have this image (which IMHO does not conflict with Estonian FOP criteria) deleted, rather than constructively respond to the point I made that your assertion of "chaotic composition" is perhaps a somewhat superficial assessment. --SM:!) (talk) 12:17, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree Instead of saying I do not review constructively, just remove your {{Withdraw}} above and wait for more votes. You'll see. Each contributor is subjective, OK? Let others review your picture, and you'll have the fair verdict. Secondly, I have not yet nominated your image for deletion, but I repeat this is out of FoP in my opinion. To finish, after many years evaluating all kinds of photographs everyday in FPC I'm certainly much more experienced than you, saying my assessment is "superficial". Once again, let this image run until the end of the voting period, and you'll see what happens consensually (if it's not deleted before). Regards -- Basile Morin (talk) 13:31, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Basile Morin: As I stated from the outset I am "new to FP" but you appear to have made my point as an "experienced" evaluator, which I respect, that more profound considerations (or symbolism) are not currently assessed as adding merit to a photograph for FP so there would be no logic in removing my {{Withdraw}} - thank you for taking the time to review this image and your further comments (although unfortunately it appears that my words have been mis-interpreted, perhaps because of inexact language translations). --SM:!) (talk) 15:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Symbolism counts, if we can see it. I think I speak accurately if I say that at FPC, we judge photos on what we can see, not on whatever symbolism you intended to express that we can't see. The other thing I'd say is that you have to have a thick skin and be patient if you choose to nominate work at FPC. We are judging whether the nominated photos are among the very best on the site, not merely whether they're good or, say, top 20-25 percentile. Many of the reviewers here have strong opinions, but it's also not uncommon, as you've seen, for people not to express an opinion at all when they're unsure or for whatever reason prefer not to. I think all of us understand frustration, but I think you've withdrawn prematurely, and I also hope that you continue nominating photos here, though keeping in mind some of what I've written here. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:33, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]