Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Kluft-photo-CSXT-2004-amateur-space-launch.jpg

Image:Kluft-photo-CSXT-2004-amateur-space-launch.jpg, not featured edit

Voting period ends on 9 Nov 2008 at 03:31:24

Info created by Ikluft - uploaded by Ikluft - nominated by Ikluft -- Ikluft (talk) 03:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Info photo caption: The "CSXT Space Shot 2004" by the Civilian Space eXploration Team (CSXT) was the first amateur rocket launch to space. The rocket launched at 11:12AM US Pacific Time on May 17, 2004 at the Black Rock Desert in northwestern Nevada. The rocket reached an altitude of 72 miles (115km), the first amateur rocket to exceed the Karman Line of 62 miles (100km) required to claim a space flight. Ikluft (talk) 11:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nominator -- Ikluft (talk) 03:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Amazing YES! Crusier (talk) 06:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Photo is watermarked, a pity for a featured picture. Diti (talk to the penguin) 08:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Should've been FPX. Picture is not eligible (size, watermark). Lycaon (talk) 08:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Info The watermark was inadvertent - sorry about that. It was automatically inserted by the web site where I first posted it, and was small enough that I didn't see it in the scaled-down review copy. A non-watermark image will be uploaded immediately following this comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikluft (talk • contribs) 09:22, 31 October 2008) (UTC)

Comment Main issue remains: size << 2Mpx. Lycaon (talk) 09:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Watermark removed. Size cannot be improved - this is the resolution my camera was set for at the time of the launch. There is no public image of better resolution. Didn't have a chance to check the resolution setting because I was operating a radio up to T minus one minute (ending with me saying "Range Safety is GO for launch") and then another volunteer handled the radio so I could get a picture. Ikluft (talk) 09:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Info I should clarify about "no public image of better resolution": I have no better image. There was a still photo taken by a professional photographer which was zoomed in tight on the rocket lifting off while still at the launch pad. This view framed with the sky and mountains is unique - no one else got any view similar to this shot. This is the best resolution available on this view. Ikluft (talk) 10:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - It is a really nice photo of a historic event. The 2 mpx rule is not absolute (one can disregard it if there are “strong mitigating reasons”, and I believe there are). --Kjetil_r 09:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Info FYI - though we'd all have preferred to have an image in higher resolution, this is the same image and resolution that is posted framed in the lobby of the headquarters of the American Radio Relay League (ARRL, US national Amateur Radio organization) in Newington CT. Ikluft (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - maybe you should geocode it? --Kjetil_r 10:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done OK, I've now added a location tag to the page. Ikluft (talk) 10:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Too small, insufficient mitigating reasons. MER-C 10:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, even though file is under the required 2 megapixels. This is an unique photo. Diti (talk to the penguin) 11:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Strong mitigating reason. --Mr. Mario (talk) 14:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - As above -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 17:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Weak, for me it should be little bit more darker and more contrast, size ... but il looks great. --Karelj (talk) 17:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Even under two MPX, the quality is bad. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 17:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support i think i just fall in love :) Sterkebaktalk 17:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- I think the fact that the picture has only 1.5 mp is too bad. more deatils should be visible on the rocket. i think the picture is very valuable. therefore i would nominate it as a valued image, but for an fp, the quality is too low. Manuel R. (talk) 18:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- This is the best picture available of this unique historic event. Owen DeLong 18:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support As comment above. --Lošmi (talk) 19:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I feel it is too small. --Aqwis (talk) 20:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose low res -- Gorgo (talk) 21:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support /Daniel78 (talk) 00:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Valuable, not FP quality. Too bad they didn't think of getting a better shot of it. --Dori - Talk 02:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- DarkAp89 Commons 16:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Very wide vertical viewfield, so the rocket is not truly recognizable, no WOW --Twdragon (talk) 17:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Info I think (and hope I can convince enough others) that there's "wow" in the event and experience it conveys. That wide field of view was actually an intentional part of the presentation, the way I hoped the shot would turn out. My experience from photographing high-power (hobby) rocket launches was that you don't zoom in too much on a supersonic rocket's launch without highly increased risk of getting a picture of the smoke at the pad with the rocket long gone. Here's an example. And even when you get some of those close-ups, you get better variety of the views with wider shots if you can get the rocket near the top of the frame. It's a tough shot to get, because these kinds of rockets are nearly or already supersonic by that point. But it's a more rewarding view. (I did also get a shot of the CSXT launch at liftoff still at the pad as shown in the photo presentation of the launch.) A benefit of a wider shot like this is that it also shares with the viewer what it was like to be there at the historic moment. Ikluft (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support --B.navez (talk) 08:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support I am ready to forgive the technical flaws because of the nature of this picture and as well because I like it. --S23678 (talk) 20:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Resolution too low, and rocket very small in frame which makes it worse. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 07:09, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support impressive picture of unique event, low resolution can be tolerated --che 02:38, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support WoW, --Tintero (talk) 20:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm really frustrated by not being able to magnify it more ! Benh (talk) 23:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Info Yeah, that's generally why there's a 2 megapixel guideline. Some votes here could see past that and accept the history it records as a mitigating factor, which the rules do allow. I wish some had considered more favorably that this is a good shot of a very difficult subject since the rocket was around transonic speed (breaking the sound barrier) at the time of the photo. The event is nothing short of "WOW" - that is the value of this photo and the reason why I offered it. But right now it's falling well short of the 2/3 mark and will fail if there aren't a lot of support votes in the last day of voting. I was advised on my talk page to take this to Wikipedia where it exceeds the minimum resolution there. And the topic area is also given more weight. So that's probably what I'll do. Thanks for considering it. Ikluft (talk) 02:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Enough wow and value for migitating reasons. -- Klaus with K (talk) 15:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose too small (but exciting)--Grootmoe (talk) 17:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Weak technical quality, however still a stunning picture. —αἰτίας •discussion• 02:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

result: 17 supports, 12 opposes, 0 neutral => not featured. Benh (talk) 08:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ per "main goal" ~ R.T.G 04:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC) too late ! - Benh (talk) 08:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's nevver too late Benny. :( first amateur rocket in space, free pics, worthy? na... (RASBURRY) ~ R.T.G 09:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]