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  •   Info created by Angelino Dulcert - uploaded by Nikola Smolenski - nominated by Nikola Smolenski --Nikola Smolenski 10:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support --Nikola Smolenski 10:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose uncropped !?! and upside down. Lycaon 13:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment I agree the chart is upside down, look at the illustrations over the northern Africa (it is correct in the given link though). However, portolan charts like this one didn't have necessarily a "correct" orientation, when used for navigational purposes (contrarily to the "mappa-mundi", or world maps, some of which were oriented to East or South). Note that the coastal toponymy run always perpendicular to the coastlines, in order to save space and not to affect its legibility, resulting in a more or less random orientation of the names. This is a quite beatiful and important example of medieval nautical cartography and the quality of the copy doesn't really make justice to it, since the resolution is too small to read the legends and appreciate the details. - Alvesgaspar 19:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • You are right, of course. I think that "correct" orientation with this map is with south up because the text in what we today would call legend (in bottom right, err, northwestern corner) is written that way, and it appears to me that most inscriptions are written that way. And, that's the way it was oriented on Gallica, so I uploaded it that way. Nikola Smolenski 11:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • What do you mean that is the way it is oriented on Gallica? In the Paris library page it is with North up. It's really fascinating to know how the orientation of the maps changed with time. In the Middle Ages it was not yet clear which orientation was going to prevail: South, East or North. At that time, "orienting" a map meant to put it with the Orient (East) up, in the direction of the Paradise on Earth. I think it was the dissemination of Ptolemy's Geography in Europe (from 1450 on), with the idea of using geographic coordinates, that finally made the difference. From the 16th century on, I think that almost all cartography - world maps, nautical charts and terrestrial maps - was oriented to North. Alvesgaspar 12:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose Resolution is not enough for the small text in the map. /Daniel78 19:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose Good Material, Can you to get a best size?. the text is very small. Thanx --The Photographer 01:32, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment The text is oriented to whichever the closest border of the map is. Text on top is upside down, text on the bottom is correct, text on the sides is rotated 90 degrees. I tried to do a crop but the image has horrible jpg artifacts. We would need a better version to consider this. ~ trialsanderrors 04:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    •   Comment Cropped and cleaned version added. I can't change the size though. I went with the standard orientation. ~ trialsanderrors 04:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      •   Comment This is much better, pity about the size though... :-(. And what concerns orientation, my problem was not with the upside down text , but with the geography. Because of the faint outlines and the coastal toponomy, It takes a while to recognize familiar features when it is not north oriented. Lycaon 07:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose - ditto to Daniel78, can't read the smaller text. Aren't maps supposed to be .svg anyway?? - MPF 00:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply] 
result: 1 support, 4 oppose, 0 neutral => not featured. (Rule of the 7th day) Simonizer 08:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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