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Troubles while uploading music filesEdit

Wiki says "Filename and date are missing" What is wrong? Both exist.

Please check file name: GBB_OVH198 2_sBergdirnal.ogg

Please check date: 1935-12-31

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tungstift (talk • contribs) 23:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Unbekannter Fehler: „unknown“Edit

Nach mehrfachen Versuchen eine einfache .jpg Datei hochzuladen bekomme ich immer wieder die Fehlermeldung Unbekannter Fehler: „unknown“. Ich bin ratlos, die Datei ist 2,1 MB groß und einfach nur ein Foto. Hab schon lange nichts mehr hochgeladen, irgendwie war das früher einfacher. --Creando (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

@Creando: Du kannst das alte Formular versuchen --> Special:Upload --Steinsplitter (talk) 19:32, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Vielen Dank für den Tipp, habe ich gleich probiert. Wenn man Datei hochladen klickt, erscheint unten "sende Anfrage an commens", nach einiger Zeit verschwindet das und es nichts passiert. Vielleicht darf man als Deutscher keine Dateien von Chile aus hochladen ??? --Creando (talk) 20:14, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
@Creando:. Doch doch - sollte funktionieren. Seltsam. Ich tippe das dein inet zu langsahm ist. Versuche es mal mit COM:Chunked uploads. --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:19, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
Upload funktioniert bei mehr auch nicht mehr (ging sonst immer problemlos), weder mit dem alten, noch mit dem neuen Formular. Ich habe sonst keine Geschwindigkeitprobleme und bin auch nicht in Chile.--KaiBorgeest (talk) 22:37, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

@KaiBorgeest, Creando: Besteht das Problem immer noch? Was bedeutet nach einiger Zeit verschwindet das und es nichts passiert - heißt das, dass weiterhin die gleiche Seite angezeigt wurde oder wurde eine leere Seite angezeigt? Sonst irgendwelche weiteren Beobachtungen? WMF Engeneers sind dankbar für alle Benachrichtigungen. -- Rillke(q?) 11:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Auch hier und im Commons-Chat wurde ähnliches Problem schon diskutiert, ohne bislang eine Lösung zu finden. Gruß --Asio 18:01, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Problem besteht noch:

Unbekannter Fehler: „unknown“

Das Hochladen aller Dateien ist fehlgeschlagen.

0 von 1 Datei hochgeladen.

Tritt sowohl mit Mozilla als auch IE auf.--KaiBorgeest (talk) 22:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

@KaiBorgeest, Creando: Eine letzte Bitte: Darf ich Euch in eure Benutzerskripte mein Hochladeskript schreiben und ihr versucht dann damit etwas hochzuladen? Nicht, dass ich denke, dass es damit klappt, aber mein Skript gibt wenigstens die genaue Fehlermeldung (inkl. Server) aus. Das wäre dann User talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js - aber ich gebe im Falle einer Zustimmung noch Instruktionen auf Deutsch. -- Rillke(q?) 00:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Bei mir funktioniert der Upload mit dem IE Version: 11.0.9600.17691, Updateversion 11.0.17. Zuvor den Bildupload mit Mozilla Firefox probiert und fehlgeschlagen. Drei-, vier- oder fünfmal neu den upload in Mozilla Firefox zu starten, damit es dann vielleicht beim vierten oder fünften Mal funktioniert, hatte ich diesmal keine Lust. Gruß --Asio 19:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Vicuna (mit gleicher Datei) funktioniert.--KaiBorgeest (talk) 22:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Wieder zurück in Deutschland mit schneller Internetverbindung ging das Hochladen reibungslos. Möglicherweise lag das Problem doch an den eher etwas langsamen (vor allem bei upload) und instabilen Netzanbindungen die ich Argentinien und Chile hatte ? --Creando (talk) 08:41, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Nach wie vor funktioniert ein Hochladen von Bildern mit Mozilla Firefox nicht mehr. "Senden der Anfrage an Commons" wird angezeigt und dann Abbruch. --Asio 18:43, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Beim 6ten Upload-Versuch hat es nun geklappt. Nicht zu verstehen. --Asio 18:47, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Habe seit einigen Tagen das identische Problem. Upload er UploadWizard zeigt Unknown Error, auch mehrfache Retry-Versuche bringen nur dieses Ergebnis. Es liegt nicht am Foto/Größe, habe verschiedene Bilder versucht. Im alten Formular stoppt der Upload einfach und zeigt mit das Formular an, als hätte ich nicht auf Hochladen geklickt. Ist sehr nervig, ich dachte, das gibt sich nach ein paar Tagen, aber Fehler ist immer noch da. Ich surfe mit Firefox. --Paulae (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2015 (UTC) PS: Der Fehler scheint mit Firefox (in jedem Fall neuste Version + letzte Version davor) in Verbindung zu stehen. Im IE funktioniert der Upload. --Paulae (talk) 22:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

So sieht eine andere Datei mit Chunked Upload aus:Hi, KaiBorgeest! Thank you for testing the beta version of User:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js.

00000: 1/1> in progress Upload: 82%

00046: 1/1> Server error 0 after uploading chunk: Response:

00046: 1/1> upload in progress Upload: 90%

00114: 1/1> Server error 0 after uploading chunk: Response:

00114: 1/1> upload in progress Upload: 90%

00182: 1/1> Server error 0 after uploading chunk: Response:

00182: 1/1> upload in progress Upload: 93%

00250: 1/1> Server error 0 after uploading chunk: Response:

00250: 1/1> upload in progress Upload: 90%

00317: 1/1> Server error 0 after uploading chunk: Response:

00317: 1/1> upload in progress Upload: 90%

Es folgte die Nachricht, der Upload sei "stuck", dann "finished", ging aber zu schnell, um den exakten Fensterinhalt noch vor dem automatischen Schließen zu kopieren.--KaiBorgeest (talk) 22:16, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

@KaiBorgeest: Wurde das Log von bigChunkedUpload.js unter DSL 16.000 oder mehr erzeugt? Könntest Du es nochmals mit vorher aktivierter Fehlerkonsole (Ctrl+ Shift+K) probieren und mir die Fehlermeldungen, die nach Start des Hochladens auftreten zukommen lassen? -- Rillke(q?) 23:08, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
@KaiBorgeest, Paulae, Asio otus, Creando: Unter welchen Betriebssystemen ist das Problem aufgetreten? Werden Proxies verwendet und welche AddOns sind aktiv? -- Rillke(q?) 23:08, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
  • Wie zuvor bechrieben Firefox 36.0.4, Mozilla Firefox EU, euballot - 1.1 (Firefox ist aktuell) - AddOns auch wie zuvor, als alles noch funktionierte (Shockwave Flash Version 16.0.0.305 und Java(TM) Platform SE 8 U31 Version 11.31.2.13). Andere AddOns waren und sind nicht aktiviert (werden erst auf Rückfrage aktiviert, beispielsweise Microsoft Office, Acrobat, NVIDIA 3D pp). Alles unverändert zu dem Zustand, als der Bilderupload noch funktionierte. Keine Proxies. Netzgeschwindigkeiten 746 kBit/s download und 131 kBit/s upload. Das der Bildupload, wenn man lange genug Geduld zeigt, plötzlich beim 5ten oder 6ten Versuch funktioniert, erklärt sich mir leider nicht. IE 11 (aktuelle Version) funktioniert einwandfrei. --Asio 13:20, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Ich surfe mit Firefox 36.0.4, Betriebssystem ist Windows 8.1. Add-Ons sind seit geraumer Zeit identisch, habe ich also zwischen funktionieren/nichtfunktionieren nicht geändert (u.a. einige von Kaspersky, WOT). Auf IE 11 klappt der Upload. --Paulae (talk) 16:44, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Upload stops after 65 secondsEdit

I have a very slow connection (384/64kps) and the upload repeatedly stops after 65 seconds with the message: Unknown error: "unknown". --Ryukia (talk) 14:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

The Upload Wizard (the default interface for uploading files to Commons) is pretty much in a perpetual state of brokenness. It isn't broken for everyone all the time, but I don't recall a time since it was introduced that we went more than a few days without people reporting enigmatic problems with indefinitely spinning wheels, unhelpful error messages, or simply no way to move forward. Have you tried Commons:Upload? It tends to be much more reliable. LX (talk, contribs) 23:37, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
@LX: I doubt this will help here; in the post above someone tried Special:Upload and the result was a blank page. Probably some proxy or file backend error this time. -- Rillke(q?) 00:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
@Ryukia: Is this still happening for you? Luckily there are a few engineers how at least care if we report details now. -- Rillke(q?) 11:14, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I still have the problem. I also tried Special:Upload but after the same amount of time (ca 65 seconds) the upload stops. Maybe it's a server setting how long php-scripts are allowed to run... Whatever upload tool I use, the upload starts normaly, I can monitor that traffic is transfered, the progress bar in the new tool moves, but both uploads tools stop after 65 seconds and the upload is aborted. --Ryukia (talk) 14:51, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
@Ryukia: on Special:Upload, how does it look like when the upload is aborted? Is it a blank page or some error message or just the same page loading again? Or does the browser simply cancel the request and an error page (like timeout) is shown? Trying the same now... -- Rillke(q?) 15:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
It's just the same page as when I started the upload. I didn't see any error message, just the green moving circle in the Firefox tab that indicates traffic transfer stops and on the traffic monitor I can see that the upload stopped.
To make sure that the problem isn't on my side (router, virus software etc) I uploaded the same file to a Coppermine Gallery on one of my servers and it was saved there without a problem. Thanks for your efforts to solve the problem! --Ryukia (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Wow, that's a lot, thanks. Are you using Mozilla Firefox? If so, could you open the network tab (Ctrl+ Shift+I, then select the network tab [possibly has to be enabled first through the gear icon]) before submitting the upload form and tell us the result? That'd be very helpful (possibly). We regret the inconveniences. -- Rillke(q?) 21:31, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Help me out! My uploads runs as fast as possible, but the text: "Unknown error: unknown" always be displayed while I have uploaded any files! I am using Mozilla Firefox for uploading files for this site. Alqhaderi AliffianikoWicara 11:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ryukia, Alqhaderi Aliffianiko: Which browsers and operating systems do you use/ in which of them does the described error occur. -- Rillke(q?) 22:56, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Trying to upload a photo that has been "deleted"Edit

I am trying to update my company's website, but it won't allow me to upload pictures. This picture is what I want to upload: Roboy

It says that I can't upload it because it was on a page before that was deleted. Can someone please explain to me how to fix this?

Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Serena dulong (talk • contribs) 21:08, 15 March 2015‎ (UTC)

@Serena dulong: Hi, I've no idea what your problem was, but I put all "roboys" here in a category:roboy, and a big 14 MB version of your picture already exists here as File:Roboy_270213_4.jpg. Please holler if you still want to upload the small 344 KB version, and it still fails. –Be..anyone (talk) 02:39, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Upload from Flickr using the Upload Wizard, Unknown error: "permissiondenied".Edit

Hi

Just tried to use the new (at least I've not noticed it before) upload images from Flickr option in the Upload Wizard, which is really a wonderful tool to be available, I'm a regular user of Flickr2Commons, however I'm running in to a few issues.

  1. I can't seem to draw a box round the images, it just highlights everything and makes in have a blue background.
  2. When I click using ctrl to add more images it brings up my browsers context menu which makes things tricky.
  3. When I try to upload the images I get the message Unknown error: "permissiondenied".

For info I'm using Chrome that is up to date on a Mac and trying to upload images from the UK Department for International Development.

Thanks

--Mrjohncummings (talk) 00:38, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I think you shouldn't see the upload-from-flickr button because you'll need the upload_by_url user right which is reserved to administrators, license reviewers and glam wiki toolset users (however you can apply for becoming a license reviewer). Without that user right, the servers do at least what they are supposed to - throwing a permission error. -- Rillke(q?) 01:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I have written a paragraph describing the career/research of Prof. Joseph Herbert of the Univ. of Cambridge, UK., which I request be uploaded/displayed at Wikipedia.Edit

Joseph Herbert (born April 8, 1936) is Emeritus Professor of Neuroscience in the Department Clinical Neurosciences at the University of Cambridge. Prior to joining the Dept. of Anatomy at the University of Cambridge as a lecturer in 1971, Herbert was a lecturer in the the Dept of Anatomy at the University of Birmhingham. Herbert has been a fellow at Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge, since 1976. Herbert received a BSc. (Hons. Class I) in Anatomical Studies from the University of Birmingham in 1957 followed by a medical degree from the University of Birmingham in 1960 and a Ph.D. in neuroendocrinology from the University of London in 1965. Herbert was the Director of Training at the the University of Cambridge Centre for Brain Repair, (1992-2014) and a past president (1982) of the International Academy of Sex Research.

Herbert’s research interests have included the hormonal regulation of social and courtship behaviors in non-human primates, the neural and endocrine regulation of circadian and circannual reproductive cycles in ferrets and hamsters, the actions of neuropeptides and steroid hormones on the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal stress axis in animals and man, and the neuroendocrine factors involved in human affective disorders and stress-related illness. He has published more than 250 peer-reviewed papers on these topics. Herbert has also published two books, including ‘The Minder Brain’ (World Scientific Publishing Co., 2007) and ‘Testosterone: Sex, Power and the Will to Win’ (Oxford University Press, 2015).

In the course of his career, Herbert has served as the Ph.D. supervisor or Post-doctoral mentor of several distinguished British neuroscientists, including Barry Everitt, Alan Dixson, Angela Roberts, Barry Keverne, Michael Hastings, and David Abbott. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael J Baum43 (talk • contribs) 17:29, 19 March 2015‎ (UTC)

If you look at the address bar of your browser, you'll note that the site you are on right now is commons.wikimedia.org, not en.wikipedia.org. Making sure you know what site you're on is good practice for many reasons, not least to avoid becoming the victim of phishing scams. If you wish to contribute content to Wikipedia, a good first step would be to head over there. Wikimedia Commons (this site) is a repository of free, educational media files (photos, diagrams, videos, audio files etc.) used by Wikipedia, other Wikimedia projects, and others. Plain text biographic content is outside of our project scope. LX (talk, contribs) 18:10, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
@User:Michael J Baum43, I went ahead and created w:Joseph Herbert; please feel free to improve it as you see fit. Cheers! BD2412 T 18:42, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

how to replace a large batch of png files with svgEdit

hi. i have a large batch of png files in the category AYIL MESHULASH that i'd like to replace with their respective svg files. I try batch upload with the wizard but it won't allow me as long as the previous files are existing. any suggestions on a qiuck way of replacing and updating the files?--Roxette5 (talk) 09:23, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

You can’t overwrite files of one format with another. What you can do is upload the SVGs with slightly different names (appending “vector“ or “redrawn” perhaps), and tag the corresponding PNGs with {{Vector version available}}, thereby linking them to the new files. See File:Basketball_key.png for an example.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:42, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Upload PhotoEdit

Hi, I would like to upload my own photo to Wikipedia. For the legal setting, could I prohibit others using the photo? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csma03 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 20 March 2015‎ (UTC)

Hi again, @Csma03: (Please sign your posts by typing four tildes ~~~~ at the end.) If your photo meets the non-free content criteria and you provide a fair use rationale, it may be acceptable on the English Wikipedia, while allowing you to retain the copyrights. But the rules are quite strict, and generally require that the image be used in an article and irreplaceable by free content. Regardless, we can’t accept such conditions here; see COM:Licensing.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 05:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. @Odysseus1479 How about if it is a company logo? csma03 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csma03 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 20 March 2015‎ (UTC)
Again, please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes. Company logos are no different from any other content, so again, if you don't want others to use your content, don't upload it to Commons. If you have questions about uploading non-free content locally to a specific language edition of Wikipedia, you should ask them there. LX (talk, contribs) 18:47, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I might add that a licence that’s “free” WRT copyright doesn’t give reusers carte blanche to misrepresent the original work or its author, to violate the personality rights of a subject, or otherwise to break the law or act unethically. Specifically regarding corporate logos, being copyright-free (whether by virtue of a release or intrinsic ineligibility) does not obviate the protection of a trademark, or countenance any fraudulent use. So if your concerns are in this direction, you needn’t fear that your permission would extend to such abuses. OTOH mash-ups, parodies, defacements, and the like are allowed under free licences, as long as they don’t purport to have the company’s endorsement, which is certainly worth consideration in terms of corporate image … then again, ‘bad actors‘ are quite capable of ignoring restrictions on anything that’s in the public view, so the case can be made that copyright deters mainly legitimate or beneficial uses.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:26, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

HTML error uploading SVG fileEdit

I am trying to upload a new version of an image I created (File:Nautilus diagram-en.svg) but each time I do I get an error telling me that my SVG file contains some HTML code— somewhere— and therefore could not be uploaded. I then proceed to the FAQ page, where I am told that I "most likely" uploaded a JPG file with some extraneous metadata... Only I did not upload a JPG file, and there are no instructions about what I should do if I in fact uploaded an SVG file. I have tried this multiple times and am still at a loss. Preventing someone from uploading a file with HTML code attached is all well and good, but failing to provide an explanation about what to do when it happens is unacceptable. What am I to do? What is anyone to do under such circumstances? KDS4444 (talk) 12:38, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Please provide the exact error message (to help identify exactly which checks can trigger it), and if you can upload the file to some other site, that might help too. LX (talk, contribs) 18:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

QuestionEdit

Hi. Can I replace this file here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kingkongedo38.jpg

with a better one? The scan is bigger and better quality and it has another picture from the same movie with it. I think it better illustrates the article showing the only 2 surviving fragments of the film. Here's the pic I want to replace it with. http://oi59.tinypic.com/2qnwc29.jpgGiantdevilfish (talk) 17:35, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Aside from the questionable PD rationale (stills from cinematographic works are not photos), you should not overwrite an image with a completely different image. LX (talk, contribs) 18:35, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure those are in the PD, mainly because they were publicity stills put out to promote the film in various periodicals in 1933 and that predates 1946.Giantdevilfish (talk) 19:31, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

“Labeled for reuse”Edit

Are Google images under “Labeled for reuse” acceptable for Upload to Commons? E.g. http://blog.acton.org/archives/20791-preview-rl-interviews-thomas-c-oden.html. Vejlefjord (talk) 17:54, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

No, only a subset of them. We require that modification and commercial use is allowed. And you can't trust Google's automated license detection blindly. I see nothing at http://blog.acton.org/archives/20791-preview-rl-interviews-thomas-c-oden.html suggesting that the photo is anything but completely non-free. LX (talk, contribs) 18:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Adding informations to a file uploadedEdit

I have uploaded a file but some informations are wrong (date or coordinates for example). How to change these informations ? Thanks --Etienne Baudon (talk) 10:16, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Click on "Edit" at the top of the file description page and edit it just like any other wiki page. LX (talk, contribs) 10:30, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I want files to be deletedEdit

File:চিত্রাঙ্গদা.ogg, File:ভানুসিংহের পদাবলী.ogg I uploaded this two files but, actually I had confusion about copyright of these files. But, now I am completely sure that this files should not be public. And these files are intellectual property of someone else. I am quite ashamed of my nonsense act. I am really really sorry and want these file to be removed from Commons. Thanks in advance. And sorry again. --Sayom Shakib (talk) 10:41, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Files deleted by Fastily as requested. –Be..anyone (talk) 02:15, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Self-copyrightEdit

I am trying to upload the logo of Fictravel, a site made by me and the logo was also made by me in GIMP, and I have copyrighted it because it's part of Fictravel identity. But I can't upload it to Commons in that case, as copyrighted (fair-use of course) works can only be uploaded if they are work of others. Can you help? Antiv31 (talk) 07:26, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Non-free fair use content isn't allowed at all on Commons, regardless of who created it, so if you are not willing to publish it under a free license, you can't upload it here. It's likely outside the project scope of Commons anyway, because I can't see what possible educational use there would be for a logo of a personal website with no apparent notability. LX (talk, contribs) 10:14, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

No subjectEdit

mit welcher Lizenz muss ich eine Landkarte von openstreetmap (share alike Lizenz 2.0)von mir ergänzt und bearbeit mit weiteren Daten abspechern / Which kind of licence do I need if I used a map of open street map (osm) and amended it with own data (osm is running under share alike licence 2.0)

I do not care about own rights --Torwall (talk) 15:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

The Share-Alike requirement means that any derivative works must be published under the same license as the original. You should also specify which changes you've made to the content. I'd recommend using {{OpenStreetMap}} instead of {{Information}} on the file description page. The easiest way is to use the basic upload form, but you could also use the Upload Wizard and edit the file description afterwards. LX (talk, contribs) 18:17, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I was asked to post a photo to the page of an artist (musician) and he sent one, but I did not take itEdit

I was asked to post a photo to the page of an artist (musician) and he sent me one he'd like to be posted on the page about him. but I did not take it. Do I need to find out who took the original photo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lelectra (talk • contribs) 03:59, 24 March 2015‎ (UTC)

Yes; the photographer should send formal permission (under a free licence, not just “to use on Wikipedia“ or similar) to COM:OTRS; there’s a boilerplate consent letter on that page. Unless the photo was taken under a contract explicitly transferring copyright to the subject (or someone else), the creator is presumed to own the rights.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 04:35, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Uploading a photo my own work ....Edit

Hello .... I am trying to upload a picture of parvathy nair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parvathy_Nair ... I have few pictures of her.I have taken those pictures. but I tried to upload and its deleting always .I tried my all ways .. if you can check the history of her page you can understand... How I can upload her picture permanently ... pls help me out... Advance thanks. .. --Abhinand1234 (talk) 05:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

As you've been told repeatedly at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Parvathy nair.jpg, User talk:Túrelio/Archive9#PARO2, Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Abhinand1234, Commons:Undeletion requests/Archive/2015-03#File:Story Kathe.jpg and User talk:Yann/archives 23#Copyright violations, you cannot upload photos you found on the Internet or screenshots of non-free videos to Commons, and you certainly can't claim that you have created such pictures yourself. Since you've uploaded several copyright violations, any authorship claims you make are likely to be called into question unless you upload full-resolution photos that you actually created yourself, that have intact metadata and that have not been previously published. LX (talk, contribs) 22:27, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Digital versions of old mapsEdit

Is it permissable to upload a digital recreation (.svg file) of an old map? I created the digital file that will be uploaded using a photograph of a map that was on public display at Cuvu Railway Station, Fiji as a reference. The only identifying marks on the original map are the initials P.F.D. The subject of the map is the Rarawai-Kavanagasau Light Railway in Fiji. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrmification (talk • contribs) 10:06, 24 March 2015‎ (UTC)

If your version is a derivative work (i.e. it uses creative elements from the original, and yes, that can be quite a difficult call to make), then the original map must either be published under a free license (unlikely) or in the public domain for your version to be uploaded here. Determining whether or not the original is in the public domain can probably be quite tricky. Key questions typically include when and where it was first published, and if/when the author died. LX (talk, contribs) 22:10, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

error trying to upload djvuEdit

I'm trying to upload a djvu format book using the upload wizard, it seems to upload OK, asks me for all the details, such as license, creation date, description, but when I click to finalise the upload, I get:

<api-error-internal_api_error_MWException>

Any help appreciated, Simon Burchell (talk) 15:49, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

I abandoned the upload wizard, used the old form, and all OK - so the problem is with the wizard. Simon Burchell (talk) 15:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I've found no open bug report on phabricator: for this issue. There are two open tasks in a long list with fixed <api-error-internal_api_error_MWException> issues, but they are unrelated to uploads, let alone .djvuBe..anyone (talk) 11:20, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Strange that no-one has mentioned it before - maybe it is a temporary glitch? Or perhaps someone has tinkered with the wizard, and it no loner works for .djvu files. I don't upload them often, and I expect it will be a while before I try another, by which time I'll probably have forgotten about the error... Simon Burchell (talk) 17:42, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Major issues with "Upload file" pageEdit

I have some major issues and questions with the "Special page" called "Upload file" that I get to when clicking "Upload a new version of this file". I think the page needs serious revision...

1. This paragraph is extremely confusing and almost incorrect:

Traditional copyright law does not grant these freedoms, and unless noted otherwise, everything you find on the web is copyrighted and not permitted here. In addition, claims of fair use are explicitly NOT and will NEVER be permitted on Commons. [end quote]

Fair use justification is used all over the place on Wikipedia. The fair use justified images seem to be links to other webpages (such as the top logo on Star Trek). If someone doesn't investigate this like I did and notice that the source is another website, they would have no idea why the above paragraph is being so strict denying fair use images. They would think the fair use images are uploaded images, not links, making the above paragraph incredibly confusing. It should be changed to note this discrepency, e.g. to include this sentence somewhere:

Images on Wikipedia justified by Fair Use use external links, they are not user-uploaded files.

2. There's nothing noting how to get back to the page. If I didn't remember what I clicked to get to the page I'd have know idea how to get back to it. It should have a little box "Shortcuts: WP (etc)" or "COM (etc)".

3. The entire top of the page is information about initially posting, not revising/updating images. There actually is no information on the image updating page about updating images! It has a field called "File changes:" placed under the partially-irrelevant information on initially or generally uploading a file, but it isn't explained. The top actually mentions a "dropdown box" ("In any case, you have to select the appropriate license in the dropdown box or add one below the summary") and there is no dropdown box on the page.

4. The page says the fields Information, Description, Source, Date, Author, Permission, and other_versions need to be filled out, but only the last is optional. Why should information about "other versions" be something that is optional when updating another version of the file? This is backwards to the purpose of the page. It actually says in red neon letters that an image will be deleted without appropriate information, but which of this information need to be updated, and how? Do I stick the revised bracket code (I forget what it's called) in the "File changes" box? And is "other versions" supposed to include previous versions?

5. Can I update the filename/filetype? I don't know anything about .svg files (original format), and I'd rather not go through a learning process and download new software. I'd like to upload in .png. Gimp doesn't recognize .svg.
(I'm revising the file because it contained confusing transparencies. It contains black text on transparent background, this means that whenever anybody opens it in any web browser, media viewer, or image editing program with a default black background (a lot of them), the text will not show up. I've modified the file by flattening the transparency to black and making the text white.)
This is the file as it exists now online in the URL:

Piano_Frequencies.svg

This is the file as it downloaded (note it's a different filetype, .png, that the URL, .svg). I didn't change anything.

520px-Piano_Frequencies.svg.png

This is the filename I'd like to upload:

520px-Piano_Frequencies_non-transparent-background-more-portable-than-earlier-versions.png

There is a field "Destination filename", is this where to save the above image uploaded from my hard drive? If so the image type would disagree with the .svg extension in the URL.

6. In general with Creative Commons, if I revise others' images, should I credit myself as the updater? This is a trivial update, so I don't care, so should I strictly note for reference in the "File changes" that I do not need to be credited for the update (i.e. are people otherwise required to credit me)? Thanks for any help! Honestly, I think the page should explain all of this :-/ Squish7 (talk) 17:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

I was trying to address 3 but there are cabals on Gerrit who will only let me proceed if the changes I propose fit into their strategy. Please suggest your changes on MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext. -- Rillke(q?) 20:19, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi User:Squish7! For reference, this is about Special:Upload. This was the upload page before the Upload Wizard became the default process for new uploads. We also have a "portal" to a few different "flavors" of Special:Upload for different use cases; this portal is found at Commons:Upload. Because the Wikimedia Foundation's developers kind of ran out of steam halfway through developing the new Upload Wizard, it's missing support for a lot of key use cases, such as uploading new versions of files. That's why when you click the "Upload a new version of this file" link on a file description page, you get dropped into the old, more versatile (but arguably more complex) upload form.
  1. The paragraph is not incorrect. Fair use content is permitted over on some Wikipedia projects under specific circumstances, but not here on Commons. Such content is locally hosted on those other projects.
  2. I suspect not many people actively go to this page or have a need to do so. Usually you arrive either by clicking "Upload a new version of this file" or via Commons:Upload (which does list shortcuts).
  3. Very valid point. Unfortunately, as Rillke mentioned, without the support of the Wikimedia Foundation's developers there's little we can do to have the page show different information depending on whether you arrived at the form directly (in which case the current information on it applies) or whether you clicked an "Upload a new version of this file" link.
  4. This is information that only applies if you went to Special:Upload directly and selected the basic upload form option. In the basic upload form, the text you enter is used to create the file description page. In that case, the other_versions part is used to link to other versions uploaded under different file names to give people a choice of which version to use. When you upload a new version of an existing file, it is only used to create a comment in the file history, the different versions are stored under the same name and only the latest version can be used directly. For example, here, the uploader entered "change" in the field when uploading the new version. As with the previous point, it simply shouldn't be displayed if you arrived there by clicking an "Upload a new version of this file" link.
  5. Yes, but in that case, you should not use the "Upload a new version of this file" link. Instead, upload the new version under a different name just like you would upload an entirely new file. Mention the author of the original file. It's a good idea to use the same license as the original, and it may be required (e.g. if the original is published under a license with the Share-Alike requirement as is the case with File:Piano Frequencies.svg). Link to the original as the source. You can always edit the file description after uploading to tidy up any details, and feel free to ask for help here. The file will be much more usable if you stick to the SVG format. What you want to do is not difficult, and you can do it with a plain text editor (like Notepad, gedit or vim). All you'd have to do is add <rect fill="#fff" width="520" height="100"/> before the first <rect> line to add a white rectangle in the back. The same thing was done with File:Sinnbild Wanderer.svg to create File:Sinnbild Wanderer bgw.svg.
  6. If the changes you made are simple and/or you don't care about being attributed as author, it's always a good idea to make that explicitly known. You need to mention the original author, and you should mention that the file has been modified from the original. You can use {{Retouched picture}} to point this out.
LX (talk, contribs) 22:02, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
To re-iterate on 3. - phab:T91889
When a file description page exists at the specified destination (no matter whether a file exists under that name), MediaWiki will discard all input data except the summary/description field, and the file of course: The file will be overwritten with the summary/description field being used for the log entry and the Comment field.
If the wpForReupload parameter is set, the Destination filename field can't be changed by the user. This is the case for the links you follow through upload a new version of this file
Only the Destination file name initially passed to the upload form through the wpDestFile parameter is available as a variable on MediaWiki:Uploadtext.
Unfortunately MediaWiki also displays links with the wpForReupload not set. This is the case on file-less file description pages and when showing non-existing files (w.o. description and file). In this case the user is able to amend the destination file name.
The question now is whether it would be helpful to run an {{#ifexist:$1|true|false}}-check (checks for the description page, not the file; $1 being the wpDestFile parameter) and if it exists, show a different text than the standard upload text and if additionally the file exists (possible to check with Lua) show a warning about overwriting existing files. Now we just need to agree on that points and have a text written up. -- Rillke(q?) 22:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Phew. Wow, thank you so much for your thorough replies! Here are some rebuttals, if you willː

1. I said almost incorrect. E.g., the word "here" in "not permitted here" can easily be interpreted by someone not paying close attention to the URL or the upper left logo, as "this place that you're surfing". After a half day quantifying these problems in the above post, I have just realized that there are different processes to upload on Wikipedia and Wikimedia. I thought the upload process I was talking about was for both entities. I've been a WP editor for years, what hope does a new user have of figuring this out if they're not paying rapt attention to the upper left logo or the single character difference between wikiPedia and wikiMedia in their browser bar? Webpages have different content on them; it's absolutely normal for there to be different images on different webpages. A change in a small image to the upper left shouldn't signify you're suddenly at a completely different project. The file path from the Wikipedia article image goes directly to the commons.wikimedia image details. The user actually has to be staring at their URL bar and notice the URL has changed domains when they click "More details" on the Wikipedia.org image. Consider this click path:
Wikipedia page: [Piano_key_frequencies]
>> Click on image of piano >>
[Wikipedia summary of image]
>> Click on "More details" >>
This changes domains from wikipedia to wikimedia to go to the main Commons file page for the imageː
[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Piano_Frequencies.svg]

For the clause at hand to be correct, the definition of "here" literally has to have changed between before and after clicking "More details" on the image. It is very easily interpreted that "here" should apply to "this place where you're viewing this single image". So from the point of view of that click path, the paragraph is incorrect.

2. You've both described a lot about the (shifting) infrastructure. I don't have time to sift through it all and explore everything (combing help pages that explain your terminology I'm unfamiliar with), but as for this issue (how to get back to pages), let me make a point I compiled information for before the previous two posts in this thread (it's still generally relevant):

The following are 9 different upload pages across Wikipedia and Wikimedia, including the page I've been posting about (listed 1st), and others you've been talking about. (Some are extremely similar.) Looking at them grouped together (e.g. clicking each one successively), one can see very clearly just how convoluted this infrastructure is. Note that only one (the 2nd) has the convenient "Shortcuts:" box to the upper right. If all 9 had that box, at least people could get back to the page they landed at, however they got there. Perhaps this is one thing that could be easily changed to help people sift throughout all this confusion? The click paths are so confusing. People with ADHD like me could literally click around in circles for entire days trying to find a page they were at but can't find again:

[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]

3. @LX: If the page can't show different information based on the arrival method, then can the text of the blurb be modified to accompany either one, e.g. with things like:

If you are updating a file, then...(etc)

In general, most of the issues I raised in my OP could be addressed by altering that blurb, e.g. this line could be used to clarify the Fair Use issue:

(Fair Use is only utilized on Wikipedia via uploads and external links, it is NOT utilized in ANY manner here in the Wikimedia Commons library.)

Simple things like this would help other people avoid all these confusions that I've had. I guess I'm still confused on what is easily done, and what would be involved or impossible. @Rillke: This is getting a bit too heavy for me. :-). I initially thought I was addressing issues with a single page, not this entire fluid infrasture. I don't even understand the correct page structure for discussing these issues. (At your suggestion to move the discussion to MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext, I actually deleted my OP with intention to move/revise it, then I saw LX's reply revived it, so I replied here.) Is this still the wrong place to be having this discussion? I don't have time to go through a learning process, however I'd like to know I at least lodged my concerns with the widest spectrum of users who may find them useful at some point.

Maybe a lot of this boils down to a base convolution of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia infrastructure. If the domains are changing at random during the viewing of the exact same image, maybe the core interactions need to be addressed. Maybe transitional boxes should appear like:

You are now at Wikimedia Commons. Click here to go back to Wikipedia.

Things like that would solve a lot of these issues. Is there a talk page for suggesting something that basic? Or should I just give up at this point and go back to my daily life? :-) This place can really be an ADHD vortex! (Aside, note that just now I said "this place" instinctively to refer to both WP and here; after years of editing WP, and recent research of Creative Commons, I think of wikipedia.org and commons.wikimedia.org as "one place". It's in that sense that the Fair Use clause in point 1. is "incorrect".)

4. 5. 6. @LX: Thank you so much for this feedback! I've added the <rect> code line to the svg image and emailed it to the author listed in the comments within the svg image. I was about to upload/update but then I figured maybe he should do it so as not to have a 2nd user on the file history. (If he doesn't respond after a bit, I'll just upload the image; I don't know if the email is active.) This wasn't my first thought because the account user:AlwaysAngry from which the image was uploaded from is pretty vacant.

In retro, this is what I spent my whole day doing. I never would have planned it. I'm trying to remind myself that 3 billion people have access to this image, so I'm doing some good for everybodyǃ This is why we all do this stuff... Squish7 (talk) 08:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

  1. is a consequence of the Media Viewer not providing a clear indication that "More details" leads to another site, which I agree is bad, even if people would do well to make sure they know what site they're on at all times to avoid becoming the victim of phishing scams. I have disabled the Media Viewer, so instead, I see this below the image instead: en:MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here. I think that's much clearer. I guess "not permitted here" could be changed to "not permitted here on Commons" to make things clearer, though.
  2. I totally agree that the jungle of upload forms is confusing. Not all of your examples are relevant for visiting directly (MediaWiki:Uploadtext is just the place where text included on actual upload pages resides; it's not an actual upload page itself). Others require additional information to be passed in ways that isn't technically supported by the shortcut redirects.
  3. Adding even more instructions to that page is not exactly optimal, but it may be our only solution for now, yes. I'll have a think about it and make some suggestions at MediaWiki talk:Uploadtext, which is the page for specific feedback and suggestions. For now, I think this is the best page page to straighten out question marks and sort ideas out. As for notices when moving between different Wikimedia sites (Commons, different language editions of Wikipedia, Wiktionary, etc.), I'd like to see something like an explanation with an "OK" button and a "don't show this again" checkbox, but that would require support in the Mediawiki software (so it's not something that we could easily do ourselves).
Thanks for taking the time to work through all this and for commenting. LX (talk, contribs) 19:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
No prob, thank you tooǃ Any repliers from here onː Please ping me with [[User:Squish7]] if you would like me to see your post or respond. Squish7 (talk) 20:42, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Upload help, Flickr to CommonsEdit

So over on WP I'm in the process of improving the article Partial capo. It currently has no pictures. Commons currently has only this image, which is not exactly what I'd like. So I tried FIST. The picture "Capo Dual capo 272" from Flickr looks useful, but I have no idea how to go about uploading it. Help welcome. :) Eman235 (talk) 22:34, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

They are now in Category:Capo. Next time, choose the Upload to Commons using Flickr2Commons, open authorise first! in a new tab, authorize the application at MediaWiki and finally Transfer selected files to Commons. That should be all. -- Rillke(q?) 23:00, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! Eman235 (talk) 23:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

ARTES PLASTICASEdit

El arte es una actividad enriquecedora, positiva e indispensable para el BIEN-SER, EL BIEN-ESTAR Y EL BIEN-VIVIR de cualquier individuo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maria angeles hidalgo (talk • contribs)

Is that a question about uploads? Maybe you are looking for the Commons:Café (español). –Be..anyone (talk) 07:37, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Alan TuringEdit

Hi! This image can be uploaded: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/mar/06/alan-turing-exhibition-enigma-codebreaker Tambo (talk) 06:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, and if public domain is true there is a slightly bigger (634x857 instead of 620x372) DailyMail version. Have fun with the upload, put it in Category:Alan Turing, please. –Be..anyone (talk) 07:31, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! Tambo (talk) 10:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

UploadEdit

My recent attempts to upload images don't finish. Has something changed in the process procedures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pi3.124 (talk • contribs) 11:31, 28 March 2015‎ (UTC)

The Upload Wizard (the default interface for uploading files to Commons) is pretty much in a perpetual state of brokenness. It isn't broken for everyone all the time, but I don't recall a time since it was introduced that we went more than a few days without people reporting enigmatic problems with indefinitely spinning wheels, unhelpful error messages, or simply no way to move forward. You may wish to try Commons:Upload, which tends to be much more reliable. That said, there also seems to be general site issues with intermittent timeouts for the past few weeks (usually lasting only a couple of minutes at a time). LX (talk, contribs) 14:16, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Date of a derivativeEdit

I made a cropped version of the image File:Alberto santos dumont.jpg and I want to upload it (it would be more suitable for a table than the original). The page of the parent image lacks the date of creation, though the file is labelled as being in public domain for being old. What date should I ascribe to the derivative image. Эйхер (talk) 13:19, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Given that the source information for File:Alberto santos dumont.jpg/File:Alberto Santos Dumont 02.jpg does not contain enough information to verify the PD rationales (which differ between the two different versions of the photo), I've initiated deletion discussions for both. I'd refrain from uploading derivatives unless the uploaders or a third party manages to demonstrate that the photo really is in the public domain. Thanks for raising the question. If you're looking for alternatives, there's a properly sourced portrait at File:Alberto Santos-Dumont portrait.jpg. LX (talk, contribs) 15:07, 28 March 2015 (UTC)