Commons talk:Checkusers/Requests

Translation

Hi! I have made the text on this page available for translation, but had to remove the "edit section" link, since it led to the template's page. Is there some workaround to create a link to edit this page?--Piramidion (talk) 16:19, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't bother, I've found a workaround --Piramidion (talk) 17:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Piramidion - Please see (Redacted)- Compared to the other 3 here this one is messed up. –Davey2010^Talk 18:38, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

The most important section on COM:CU being the only one without a proper edit link certainly is anything but user-friendly. Also, translating section headers breaks links to them, therefore please keep this as-is (or rather as-was since you seem to have a somewhat strange interpretation of BRD).    FDMS  4    18:46, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

It has a link in the form of a button, why is this not user friendly? Besides, the other 3 should be made translatable too. See here: Commons:Administrators/uk – everything had been translated except the four "request" sections. I've made one of them translatable and, well, translated it into Ukrainian. At least, if we do the same for the remaining three, that would solve the problem. How do you think?--Piramidion (talk) 18:48, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

And translating headers doesn't break the links to them, I broke them on purpose just not to link to the template page.--Piramidion (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

We might revert my changes for now, until I prepare the other 3 pages. But perhaps someone has a better idea to solve the edit link problem?--Piramidion (talk) 18:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Besides, that section is not the most important on COM:CU, the most important is right above it, with a link to start a request properly.--Piramidion (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

People expect section edit links to be located next to section headers (unless changed via user prefs or CSS). You can't ensure Commons:Checkusers#Requests for CheckUser rights actually leads users to the target section when the header is translated.    FDMS  4    19:25, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

How is that I cannot ensure that? Seemingly you don't know what you're talking about. If a user creates a request subpage, all the section edit links would lead to that subpage, no matter what I do with the translated one.--Piramidion (talk) 19:32, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

My talk page section uses the template I've created to fix this issue. Does the User_talk:Piramidion#Requests_for_CheckUser_rights link lead you to the target section or not? Press the edit section link beside it. Does it open the correct section or not?--Piramidion (talk) 20:01, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I seemingly don't know what I'm talking about; thank you very much for that helpful and on-topic comment.

I felt it was needless to mention that request subpage section edit links leading to the subpage's editor is intended behaviour.

The link works because a) obviously English links work for those with an English interface and b) the translation appears to be broken (I'm seeing the MediaWiki interface in Ukrainian but the section header is in English).

   FDMS  4    21:40, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Omg, you're seeing it in English, because it depends on content language, not on user language. Your sarcasm is inappropriate here.--Piramidion (talk) 21:48, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Just revert your last edit and see it in the article (don't forget to purge the cache).--Piramidion (talk) 21:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

It appears that you were right wrt to section links. Congratulations on your huge contribution to Commons (though, engaging in your beloved speculation about other users, I'd say that your goal is solely to "spread Ukrainian language on the internet", not improve Commons); your friendly and positive attitude makes me truly enthusiastic about translating content myself. Oh, sincere apologies, that may have been sarcasm.    FDMS  4    17:26, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

• I think I have an idea on how to make things right.--Piramidion (talk) 19:11, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

• Your edits should be held at VP or similar where consensus can be built, Changing coding without any consensus or input really won't end well and personally I'd rather not say "yeah that's fine" when the overall community may think otherwise, I've again reverted and would suggest you go to VP or similar, Thanks. –Davey2010^Talk 19:15, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

• It's a technical issue that I've solved already, not a consensus issue. Translating pages doesn't need a community consensus. Instead of edit warring you could take into account my last comment on the idea I got. --Piramidion (talk) 19:25, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

• My 2c, if someone is disagreeing with a change in good faith (Davey and FDMS4 reverted in good faith), then the change is controversial and needs consensus. I am going to end this war by reverting back to the last uncontroversial revision (which is without the change). I would like to note that we have an essay that don't recommends being bold in some areas (especially when it comes to files). I forgot though where I found it, but I am sure you can find it. Please, just discuss whether this change would be beneficial, acceptable, and will not result to bugs. ★ Poké⁹⁵ 10:46, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

  @Pokéfan95: I've received an explicit consent of at least these two users, read here and here. There was no war anymore. Or do you personally have any objections? If no, then please revert everything back. Making pages translatable doesn't need a consensus, there were only some technical issues that I've solved already. And if you decide to revert back – please use an edit summary that will prevent others from boldly reverting this again. Thanks!--Piramidion (talk) 13:56, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Someone (Denniss) seems to disagree, although it is not clear though. I am reverting everything back, since I didn't notice that FDMS already accepted your change. I am still free to be reverted though, if someone is disagreeing. Thanks, ★ Poké⁹⁵ 10:18, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I didn't hear anything specific from Denniss or anyone else on the changes I made, but if there're some issues, I'll try to fix them. And if they're unsolvable and might disrupt anything, I'll accept reversion of all my changes (even though they are intended to improve localization) and deletion of the relevant pages I created.--Piramidion (talk) 10:54, 5 January 2017 (UTC)