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Commons talk:Editor's index to Commons

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Commons:Editor's index to CommonsEdit

Hi Teratornis, I just ran across this page you've been working on. Kudos, it's very... detailed! I was under the impression that John Broughton wrote most of the Wikipedia Editor's index. Is that wrong? Or are perhaps planning a missing manual for Commons? :) cheers, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

w:Wikipedia:Editor's index to Wikipedia/About#Credits tells who worked on the Editor's index to Wikipedia. The notion of writing a "missing manual" for Commons has actually crossed my mind, but I'm a long way from knowing enough about Commons and the associated tools to even think about calling it a "plan." First I want to get the index in good enough shape to be useful for answering questions on the Help desk. The index as it now stands is mostly a direct port of the Editor's index to Wikipedia, with the applicable links mapped over to their counterparts on Commons, and numerous entries removed as they didn't seem to apply to Commons at all. I still (probably) need to add new entries that are specific to Commons and are not already present in the structure I ported from the Wikipedia index. Working from the Wikipedia index saved a lot of time, as I benefited from all the work that John and others had already done. (Including some work I had done.) The index needs attention from people who really know Commons in depth, who can judge the best way to group and subdivide the links. However, because we have Ctrl-F search capability in our browsers, the logical structure isn't as important as having enough keywords present to provide search targets. That means the first goal is to make the index as complete as possible, and to give a one-line summary description of any link whose content is not completely obvious from its title, attempting to include words that users are likely to search for. --Teratornis (talk) 11:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I forgot to say thanks for noticing COM:EIC and commenting. While I don't expect the index to change the face of civilization forever, it would be nice if I'm not the only person who finds a use for it. I may copy this thread to Commons talk:Editor's index to Commons to keep discussion about the index with the index. Done. --Teratornis (talk) 02:49, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Page move problemsEdit

Hi, this looks like an interesting project. I'm a bit curious about these moves back and forth though, while I happily leave it to English native speakers to sort out editor's vs editors' right now the page history is at the redirect - was that the effect you wanted? Thanks for helping out at the help desk btw, you're doing a great job not only in providing answers but also in contributing to a friendlier enviroment for users being confused by the ins and outs of Commons ( should probably be some 's in "ins and outs", feel free to insert them ;). Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 21:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Was that the effect I wanted - no. I think an enthusiastic user saw my discussion of the problem elsewhere and did a cut-and-paste move, which we aren't supposed to do. See all the mind-numbing (even for apostrophe-capable native English speakers) discussion at:
I haven't decided yet whether to trouble a Commons administrator to clean up the mess. If you'd like to fix it, that would be great.
Even though the Editor's index is not "done" (not that it ever could be "done") it is already becoming useful for answering questions on the Help desk. Although for a new user, the links under a heading such as COM:EIC#Copyright must be intimidatingly complex. Even I remain gripped by fear upon seeing them. Not that I'm an expert by any means. I just fake it.
I like to answer questions on the Help desk. Even though I am making mistakes in some of my answers, other users correct my mistakes, and I rarely make the same mistake more than 25 times. When I first looked the Help desk here at a few months ago, I found it sad that so many questions had no answers at all. That was in contrast to the Help desk on the English Wikipedia, which is well-attended. Incidentally, I had the most edits on the Help desk at the English Wikipedia when I last checked (more than 4000 edits). But the Help desk there is in very good shape - the many users who answer questions have built very good search tools, standard response templates, and we have a good Editor's index. Thus my relative impact is less; dozens of other users can provide the same answers I do, and they do it quickly. I want to bring some similar infrastructure to the Help desk on Commons. The Editor's index is part of that: among other things, it is a tool for answering questions. One might say the index is not done until it answers every Help desk question, i.e. gets to within one link of each answer.
If you would like to translate the index into whatever languages you speak, that would be great. I won't care what happens to the apostrophe. You might want to wait until I get the English index into better shape. --Teratornis (talk) 00:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok, now the page and the history should be at the same place (editor's), we'll have to sort out where they should have been with Michal M. when he get's back. I've deleted a couple of movemade redirects as well. Hopefully I managed just to create a happy ending and not add another chapter to your ongoing essay moving the apostrophe ;). Keep up the good work, and let me know if I can help with anything. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 01:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much. The final chapter in my magnum opus must wait until MichaelMaggs returns. I will copy this discussion to Commons talk:Editor's index to Commons, to keep it with the page it is about. Done. --Teratornis (talk) 04:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Add Commons:Graphics village pumpEdit

Commons:Graphics village pump should be in this index somewhere, but I am not sure where to add it. Can someone help? Davidt8 (talk) 12:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)Davidt8

Done. --Teratornis (talk) 05:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Please see my idea on enwiki about renaming this to "Editors' index" to remove redundancy and improve apostrophe placement, and reply thereEdit

Teratornis, thank you for creating this useful resource. It's helped me, and I see from stats.grok.se that it helps many other people too. I have an idea for you. Please see w:Wikipedia talk:Editor's index to Wikipedia#Idea: renaming this to "Wikipedia:Editors' index" to remove redundancy and improve apostrophe placement to see my idea.

Dear all: please do not reply to my idea here. Please reply at the relevant part of the relevant discussion page on enwiki. (No login required.) That way we can make one shared decision about grammar and one shared decision about repeating the project name. It'd be confusing to have different naming conventions for the Wikipedia index and the Commons index. I've requested there that at the end, once we've made a decision, we should summarize our decision here on this page.

Cheers, Unforgettableid (talk) 16:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)