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Commons talk:First steps

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Return to the project page "First steps".

Need more infoEdit

As a new user from the Wikipedia world, I would like to know:

  • What is the status of images I have already uploaded to Wikipedia under GFDL or PD license? Are they automatically included in commons? If not, why not and what do I have to do to include them?
  • What exactly do I have to do to include Commons images in a Wikipedia article? Are the names in a shared namespace? If not please give an example.
  • The Paradigm for Imagedescriptions is also unclear. Am I supposed to include text like "*Source:" in the description?

Template:InformationEdit

Shouldn't this page tell you to use Template:Information? That seems to be the standard template for image descriptions... --Uwe Hermann 11:06, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

CategoriesEdit

Is the explanation trying to say "categorise the image unless there is an article, in which case categorise the article?". Confused. --Tagishsimon

I've reduced the section about gallery pages. In my opinion, creating a gallery page is something that takes a fair amount of experience. We shouldn't expect first-time users to do it. It's futile to try to give complete instructions on how to do that here. dbenbenn | talk 19:46, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Uploading new versionsEdit

I am not sure this is the right place to ask this question.

However, I want to upload a new version of a file, but if I upload a file with the same name, the upload is blocked because another file (the original one) is already present and I am suggested to change the name of my upload.

What's wrong?

--FlagUploader 11:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Just go ahead and ignore the warning. The warning is for someone who might overwrite an existing file by accident. Try Village pump for questions of this sort, in the future. Wsiegmund 17:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

RefreshEdit

I uploaded a new version of an .svg file with modified frame dimensions, but the .png file was not refreshed and still show the old frame. Is there a way to force the refresh of the rendered .png version? I have tried to clear my cache, but that did not help. Similar problem is described at w:Wikipedia:Uploading_images#Technical_aspects, but no solution indicated. Someone knows how to refresh the automatically rendered .png without uploading once again? Thanks. Twisp 12:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Beginner's thaughts on First StepsEdit

Still being t.h.e beginner, I (Annie IP 18:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)) feel...

On "Create account"Edit

The first steps page, as is, unnecessarily forces me, the beginner to read the instrucions for creating an account. There will not be very many people needing such, I guess, thats's why I strongly suggest to make it a page for its own: You need help on this? Please open page "create account" and follow instructions. I do this as a dummie or demo version for German first steps, now. please discuss here, however.

It doesn't force you to read the account creation instructions. If you already know that, you can easily skip to the next section. I think it's better to have to instructions on Commons:First steps, instead of pushing it to a different page. User:dbenbenn 20:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, disagree: To me as a newbie...
  1. it's NOT sufficiently clear that FOR.SURE there will be nothing within this chapter that I do not need anymore (I've had such, in wiki, by far too often).
  2. Besides, a separate page would reduce loading time for stuff I very probably do not want to read (very few going-to-be-commonists will need such instruction).
  3. It would be more flexible in terms of being linked, and
  4. might be useful as a general separate element (DE: "Baustein") for any wikis "create account mini-tutorial". —Annie IP 09:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

On "Copyright and Licences"Edit

It is true that the actual version tells the user to carefully read the hints after opening the Upload-Window. I, and not only me, I suppose, get panics when having some upload-mask open, and find some very serious warnings about possible legal problems. To repeat same warnigs in 1st steps text does really help. I, the beginner, will be reluctant to upload and will probably close that window and maybe look for more information, or maybe just be fed up. Younger or more easygoing people may possibly just "forget" to read that stuff and upload whatever, which afterwards fills tons of discussions, and creates bad mood for seeing someone's gift just deleted. I.am.sure I can help on this! Annie IP 19:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

On "Upload file"Edit

It is for sure a mistake to show how to upload a file before at least trying to warn that first time user about possible juridical (juristical?) consequences; therefore, these two as well have to be extra little pages, same as "insert File into document". See above/below. That, BTW, is a meanwhile quite welldone solution in otherwise redundant and soon even more redundant de:WP:Bildertutorial. Experiencing upload errors when updating Commons:...files more often than not, I created Upload file (English version) where my updates do work. (korr)—Annie IP 16:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


possible bug of upload mask?Edit

Although I changed my language preferences to English, and reloaded the page, I still get the "Durchsuchen" Button in German. Any idea how such happens / can be repaired? —Annie IP 16:25, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorting and catalogisation of images + "Looking for media"Edit

your text (1st part): »Other people need to find your file in order to use it to illustrate articles in other Wikimedia projects. So it is crucial to add your media files to specific gallery articles on Commons and/or adding it to a specific category otherwise your valuable media files won't get used that much. Adding images and other kinds of media files to galleries is prefered over categories as they can keep more information and look more polished to an outsider. A good example for a gallery page would be for example the image gallery of the planet Mars. You can tell if a page is an article or a category by looking at its name. Pages without prefix are article pages, pages with a "Category:" prefix are categories and pages with "Image:" are image pages. This concept with these prefixes is called "namespaces". That way you can separate easily different contents.«

My question on this: Is not the general opinion ca. 50:50 whether Categories or Galleries are of more use? —Annie IP 17:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

My suggestion on the text:

Categorise your mediaEdit

Available media wait for being used! Therefore, they have to be found.
That's why any media uploaded to Commons has to be put into at least one category or, if such seems impossible to you, at least into one gallery.

  • Although categorizing can be quite a difficult task, a manageable beginner's way to find adequate categories is checking articles which are similar to yours and adopting their categories to your picture, if reasonable.
  • You can also navigate the categories hierarchy to find a category or article that is relevant to your file.
  • Put categories at the bottom of the page, but above interlanguage links, if there are any, by writing [[Category:category_name]], e.g., [[Category:Mountains of the United States]].
  • Do not overcategorize - it is not useful to have any media in more than two categories
  • Be as precise as possible, which means find the adequate sub-category. Avoid to put files in main categories.
  • A tool to find categories is CommonSense.
  • Categories show up at the bottom of the saved page. Non-existing categories, as any non-existing links, would show up in red colour.
    Categories, as any other information on the picture description page, can be edited.

Sorry, I have to finish for a while, will tomorrow make a more refined proposal on this+Galleries, too. —Annie IP 17:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

On "Embed media" in documentEdit

Annie IP 18:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


On my poor EnglishEdit

juridical or juristical

a raw translation of DE "First Steps": User:Huitzlipochtli III./First Steps for Annie IP

Beginners QuestionsEdit

How to write what Germans call "InArbeit" and "InUse" tags/templates, please?Annie IP 18:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

You are searching for "Work in progress" but I am no fan of such templates as it is obvious in the article itself that there is still some work to be done. Arnomane 20:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Does that mean, there is not any such thing on commons? If I'm wrong on this, please give the tag. I promise not to use it more than required. tx.


From Arnomanes Talk pageEdit

Ich werde sie auch später aufteilen, aber erst dann wenn ich den Text soweit fertig habe, weil bis dahin ist es einfacher die ganze Sache erstmal zu schreiben ohne dauernd Inhalt neu umzuverteilen (außerdem werden auch normale Artikel erst ab einer gewissen Länge und nicht "auf Verdacht" geteilt). Das ist der Grund warum ich es erst in einem Artikel schreibe und dir auch dasselbe empfehle. Es lässt sich so einfach besser arbeiten. Arnomane 18:11, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I, w. will translate as well as I can: "I'm not going to split it up before I finished the text, as, for so long, it will be easier to handle. One does not have to split up any article "just like that". Therefore, I urgently advice you doing as I do. It will for sure be the better way to do it. Translation by w, Annie IP 21:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC), sorry for any NNNI possible mistakes).

w's replyEdit

Well, since I created Huitzlipochtli account on 02-16? -17?, I do work on that introduction thing within de:WP:Bildertutorial where it is actually as well redundant as also not 100% topic. The proof (at least a little hint) may be that the people talking there partially do have their images NOT on commons, as I found out.

From my point of view, I'm almost through with that stuff as far as pictures and editing are concerned. I did not care at all about any other media, up to now. But, as sure as I sit here, I do now what parts have for sure to be split up, I'm in doubt about a few more delicate things.

I had long talks with Arnomane on my ideas, and had explained as well as I could. I only today found the time to have a look at Commons:First steps and am convinced that this article is more far away from being finished than the 4+1 I created, last days (for as long as had time, beeing concerned with German flames mostly).

So, I ask here whether I might not get the chance to show how to do, from my point of view, and have it evaluated after it runs. I must admit that I am not at all sure about other media, so my product will lack sufficiant coverage of those. But there's no reason to try copying Arnomanes unfinished and imo not to delicatly elaborated English version by a German translation, sorry. I can do raw translations of my little pages into my less than perfect English, which will be sufficient to compare and evaluate. I say, Arnomane does at this time work on something which I have for a few weeks, despite the flames I experience since showing up in de:WP again: a reasonable AND working structure for a beginner's tutorial.

Version vom 11:59, 18. Feb 2006 (This shows my changes to the first sheet of "Bildertutorial", ca. 20 hrs work, which were 16 min later reverted by some silly de:admina without any talk, Feb. 18 1215. Good evening. Annie IP 21:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

w's critics on 1st steps' "Good practice hints"Edit

Beautiful pictures, but imo of more noise than use, slowing down page loading and being of rather specific than general Annie IP's use. —Annie IP 16:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

LeaveEdit

Sorry, folks, I have to leave for a while and cannot be expected back within less than 6 weeks. I'm with you, and I beg your pardon not to be able to finish my started projects until then. Annie One is more than just welcome to take whatever fits to the purpose of this place, and to continue. Wolfgang. —Annie IP 09:37, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


"Please no connotation blaster"?Edit

What does "Please no connotation blaster" mean? It is in the section "Upload forms".

Most likely, spaming many categories and galleries with one image. -- Test-tools 20:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Basically it means that you should not add to many categories to one image... Arnomane 21:02, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Too much detail and redundancy?Edit

Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment - I withdraw my proposal for the moment, until Arnomane states that the page is basically done.UED77 16:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

While translating this page to Hungarian, I've noticed how detailed and partially redundant some parts were. For example, the part explaining the registration process tells you to click the "Login" link, but the next paragraph begins with "If you have clicked the "Login" link...".

Also, the article mentions the summary field and its purpose, but it doesn't tell users to use the {{Information}} template until much later in the text. The license selection section is way too verbose, and doesn't COM:L already fulfill the purpose of a license guide? However, if the intent was to summarize Licensing, then the summary is not brief and concise enough.

In addition, categorization, transferring files to Commons, and finding files are not as essential to an absolute newcomer. Categorization should be summarized and included in the main article, but all three should be split to their respective articles.

Lastly, keep in mind that the name of this page is First steps. Is it really necessary for a first-time user to suffer from information overload? The length of this page is daunting, and every user should learn most that there is to know about the Commons over some time, not through an all-inclusive superguide. I am planning on reworking this page, if not directly, then in my own userspace for now. However, I would like to know what you think of this page. —UED77 21:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

WOWEdit

Sve je na hrvatskom jeziku ?!?!?!!! the preceding unsigned comment is by 213.202.114.231 (talk • contribs)

Are you asking why there isn't a Croatian translation? Sorry, I can't typically understand Croatian, so I might get it wrong.
The chances are nobody has found the time to translate it yet. There are some people who speak Croatian:
Korisnici koji dobro govore hrvatski jezik: Category:User hr-3
Korisnici koji posjeduju srednji nivo razumijevanja i korištenja hrvatskog jezika: Category:User hr-2
Korisnici koji posjeduju početno poznavanje hrvatskog jezika: Category:User hr-1
And please, don't delete the entire contents of the page again. Use the "+" button. Thanks. —UED77 19:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

i go crazyEdit

sorry, but it is so complicated to handle with wikimedia commons and licences in general. i just want to upload some ordinary free pictures, but i always feel doing something wrong. there are so many different kinds of licence-banners to choose, there is so many information necessary and the transfer from wikipedia to commons is so circumstantially. Actually it is no fun at all to work with pictures. Luckyly i just discovered the "Move-to-commons assistant", but also that tool just creates some text instead of transfering automaticly. ---Nicor 13:16, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

i just tried to work with that assistant, but now the picture is marked as a candidate for speed deletion. either i'm just too stupid, or this system of uploading and transfering should urgently be simplyfied ---Nicor

New TranslationEdit

I began to translate this page in Turkish. But I couldn't find how to place the link at the top of the page? Can you tell, or just add it please? The link should be "http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Temel_Bilgiler", and the link should be shown as "Türkçe".

Thank you.--HHLL 00:14, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

"Türkçe" link added: see {{Lang-fs}}. --Kaganer 12:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. --HHLL 15:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Pictures of race cars I've taken myselfEdit

Here it mentions people and statues and such, but never mentions things like cars, race cars in particular. Does anyone know if it would be ok to upload picture of race cars or would it not be allowed? They're from en:NASCAR specifically. There are some NASCAR-related pictures here, but the ones with cars were taken by a government employee so they are public domain and I don't think they quit fit this situation. Bsroiaadn 19:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

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File Types?Edit

Is it too much to ask to let users know what file types are acceptable? No mention on home page, no link on home page, no help on first two help pages. Seems like acceptable files would rank higher than anything else. Ywaz (talk) 12:36, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, I found it: SECTION 3 question 20 (!) of the FAQ. That's idiotic isn't it? Ywaz (talk) 12:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Need to know thisEdit

How on Earth do I make an article on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.89.84.173 (talk • contribs) 02:24, 5 October 2013‎ (UTC)

Please see COM:SCOPE for the purpose of this site. You may be looking for Wikipedia, e.g., Wikipedia:Starting an article. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)