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Cuts and other issues

I've just created User:Editor5807/IW Council cuts 2011 to help keep track of what has been photographed out of all services the Isle of Wight Council are cutting from March, although I haven't bothered writing out a section for Wightbus as it's already included in your table. As you'll see I've already started photographing some things that I haven't got round to uploading yet, but for whenever your next over, hopefully it will act as a guide to what still needs doing. After you do next come over, feel free to edit it again to show what you've got and I'll know what's left.

On another topic, in my list of uploads I've come across two SV coaches that don't appear to have any fleet numbers, these being R807 NUD and T216 REL. I was wondering if you had any idea what they were? Neither have been painted into an SV livery yet, so that's probably why. I've tried searching on the internet for the numbers but have had no luck, so don't worry if you don't know. I suppose it's probably best to hold off uploading them until they have been painted and then should have the fleet numbers visible?

Additionally, I noticed you tried to correct the date for my Botanic Garden photo. Unfortunately at the time I didn't really think about setting the time and date on my camera to be accurate, and as a result, the information in the meta data is completely wrong. The only trouble is I now have no idea on the date I actually took some of the photos! So I've just left it, sorry about that! Editor5807^speak 23:50, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Cool. That's good and will be helpful. I haven't finished the bus table yet as you'll have noticed but I haven't forgotten it! I have the current SV fleetlist: R807 NUD is 3233 and T216 REL is 516. 3233 is in the paintshop. They do seem to be leaving the fleet numbers as the W&D ones, I suppose it fits but does go against everything else! The Botanic Garden photo is tricky! Do you know how many image are like this? I suppose it might be an idea to just change it to the month, rather than make it look like it was taken on that date with it being too precise? And a note saying the metadata is wrong (though that should be obvious seeing as the photo would be taken after it was uploaded!) Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 17:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

OK thanks for that, I'll get the images ready and upload them with the others I've got left. There shouldn't be many other images with the incorrect date, and I can probably track them all down as they should have all been uploaded at a similar time. I'll change it so it just shows the month and the year and that will have to do. Thanks, Editor5807^speak 00:14, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Optare Solo 2631 is out and about in SV livery now. Chances are more Solos are due to turn up too.Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 18:13, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Wightbus update

I've just updated your table with some photos I got round to doing today. I hope it's alright but I added a 'Notes' section at the bottom, with a few in-line notes just to clarify a few things that could otherwise cause confusion. For example today I managed to get to Perowne Way to do the 22. However, the bus getting me there was actually running late and as I've never actually been to Perowne Way I didn't make it in time to the same location as your SV 22 shot. It's still on Perowne Way but if we have time afterwards, it could probably be improved to the same location. On the bright side, route 39 is very nearly finished with just Atkinson Drive left. I should have opportunity either next Thursday or the one after to have a crack at route 31 as well. Editor5807^speak 19:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Excellent. The notes section is not a problem. At the end of the day, if we don't get the image in the same place it's not a problem, I'd rather concentrate on getting at least some things done for the other before trying to improve what we've got. I've got a bad memory of Perowne Way to be honest, you'll notice that File:Southern Vectis 196 HW52 EPV 8.JPG and File:Southern Vectis 196 HW52 EPV and Sandown Perowne Way 2.JPG are the same journey, achived by walking (then running!) from the High Street to Perowne Way! That was the only way I could think of doing it, as the route was being withdrawn in a couple of weeks and that was my only opportunity to get it. Worst thing was I didn't know there was a subway under the railway so had to run through the station, that got some odd looks!! And then the bus was late anyway...

Getting route 39 done will be good as then we can forget about it. Route 31 would be a very good one to get started, seeing as we've got none so far. The trouble with these routes is that they're so limited you need to be on the bus to get photos of every place without it taking hours, and obviously if you're on the bus you can't get off and take photos (unless you've got a nice driver). It's a shame I can't drive over, as that would be far easier! I have decided I am going to foucs on the 35 when I'm over, as it's furthest north and thus easier to get to. Obviously (as I've already said), I'm hoping to finish the 32 as well. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 22:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, although route 35 only runs Tuesdays and Thursdays now, making things even harder! Although I did some more of the 22 and 23 today, at least. Editor5807^speak 18:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

That's good. As long as we get slow, steady progress we should be alright - especially as in theory we do have until August. It's really annoying - the buses (which will probably end last of all) we're not sure about and have to to quickly because once they're gone they're gone, and the libries and toilets etc, which are ending sooner, have to get put bottom of the list!! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

arriva woking

i was just wondering if you had any photos from perhaps 2000, 2002 of the woking side of arriva. i.e. 91, 34, etc

I'm afraid not. As much as I'd love to have photos from those years - a rather interesting and turbulent time for the Surrey bus industry with so many operators closing down, I only really started taking photos in 2008. Is there anything you wanted in particular, that I might be able to help you with? Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 20:48, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Route 20 update

I was out today trying to finish off route 20 as today was its last day. All the main parts of the route are done accept Caws Avenue, which unfortunately it will be too late for now. I was there this afternoon to do it but the bus didn't turn up! After waiting about half an hour I gave up, but the routes still got some good coverage elsewhere. I was just wondering about the bus stop flags into Seaview, did you mean the ones on Appley Road? If so I've got these as well, if not I'lll make a return trip next week when they will hopefully still be up. I was also wondering, do you know where there's any details for the dial-a-bus times? I looked on the Council website but couldn't see them anywhere... I've got a photo of a service in Newport (strangely it stopped and loaded in Town Lane as opposed to the bus station) but have no idea where it was travelling to. Editor5807^speak 20:12, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like it dropped the last passenger off and then just turned around and went home. Even though it shouldn't do this, I'm sure it would. Morning journeys are always a safer bet, I never trust the return journeys on such routes! Well done on getting the stuff elsewhere. Today was the last day wasn't it? Always good to get some last day photos. I'm pretty sure when I went on the 8 last there were Wightbus flags in various places from Seaview/Nettlestone to Marlborough Road junction, perhaps they've taken some down? There were definitely some in Appley Road though, there weren't any in Seaview, sorry if I confused you. Wightbus were pretty quick with the flags when the 29 got withdrawn so they might be gone when you return! Dial a bus times were at the back of the SV book but they've gone from the new timetable! http://www.islandbuses.info/pdfs/tt_170411.pdf (I believe SV have corrected this to show the correct Wightbus times). Maybe they will be shown in the printed book. They do load from Town Lane, yes. If you use the old timetable, hopefully you'll be able to work out which service it was on from the time of day and the day of the week. Hope that helps. Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 21:02, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I'd got the bus stops along Appley Road, so that's fine. On the last day the bus seemed to be wearing some sort of wreath on the front, perhaps to commemorate it on the last day? I don't really know what that was for. Unfortunately the Dial-a-bus times aren't in the new timetable, but I'll take a look at the old ones and I should be able to work it out. Also, just to confirm I did manage to get down to Havenstreet today for the Bustival. Editor5807^speak 18:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

OK excellent. I would imagine the wreath might me a last day thing yes. Glad to hear you got to Bustival, looked like nice weater too. I see that Velvet's Optare Spectra L711 ALJ was there - I took a photo of this at Dunsfold last weekend, so any chance you could name it with the "...2.JPG" on it, to keep them in chronological order? Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 18:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem. The weather was fantastic. The demonstrator YN06 CJE was also there. I've already got a photo of it on the 5, and was going to upload it like the previous demonstrator used on the 5, as "File:Southern Vectis 2001 YN06 CJE Scania OmniCity demonstrator.JPG" but as it wasn't in service, should I upload the photo of it at the Bustival differently? "File:Scania OmniCity demonstrator 2001 YN06 CJE.JPG"? Editor5807^speak 22:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

It's still with SV for the forseeable future until the last OmniCity decker gets back, them having all gone off one by one to get work done, so I'd upload it as per the first name and as like it was on the 5. (Also on the second name example I assume you were meant to take the SV fleet number out of the name as well?!). The Wilts & Dorset one has gone back to Poole now. The new timetables started yesterday didn't they? I'm looking forward to going on the 21! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 10:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Events fleet

Recently I've been seing a number of school services operated by buses I thought were in the 'events fleet'. I was just wondering if these had joined the school bus fleet now? I photographed 3148 (M17 WAL) the other day on a school service and noticed it had also been named 'Cole Rock'. So if they are now with Southern Vectis, should they be named "File:Southern Vectis 3148 M17 WAL.JPG"? Even if they're only being used temporarily until replacements arrive I can't help but think maybe those in the events fleet should be named differently, as they're not with their old operator, they only have the livery (sometimes even with the branding removed). Something like "File:Go South Coast 3148 M17 WAL.JPG" maybe? I don't really mind either way, as the current images would also have to be renamed, I just thought it might be better as it would differentiate any past images of the buses actually in regular service. Editor5807^speak 18:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah that's timed well as I was about to send you a message! I've not been very active recently as I've been so busy, as you've probably noticed. Nice to see your photos being uploaded, good as always.

I'm not sure about the events fleet to be honest. I know that there's a number of ex-London B7TLs arriving for across Go South Coast and many will go into the events fleet (which of course is controlled by SV). According to a fleetlist, on 25 April

95 1901 1902 1903 1904 1905 1906 1908 1915 1916 1917 1918 1921 1922 1927 1928 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1959 1972 1973 1974 1977 3148 3149 3150 3151 3152 3157 4431 4435 and 4923 were in the events fleet, though things could have changed. "Go South Coast" would be good, as you say the earlier plans that they would return to their original operator are now out the window and they're really in limbo. We could use "Go South Coast events fleet"... might that be better to avoid confusion with any old GSC bus? Southern Vectis might be good too, especially for 3148 if it's got a name, it sounds like it might be staying. Either way as you say I think we'll have to rename a lot of stuff! When it eventually all settles down (if it ever does), I suppose we could go through on a case-by-case basis and decide what to do.

What I was going to send you was that coach 053 (HF08 UHS) is now with SV, and has emerging in the metallic blue Shearings Holidays like this one: File:Shearings Holidays 220 BF10 VCN.JPG. I'm not sure why yet. Anyway, it's one to look out for and is an SV vehicle even if it seems it isn't! Arriva436^{talk/contribs} 19:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

I've also been pretty busy too, but luckily things are starting to calm down now, and I should be completely free at the start of June to upload more. I just noticed this site, http://www.opentopbus.net/html/isleofwight.html which seems to imply that some of the events fleet have been named, despite not being actually with Southern Vectis? And yes, Go South Coast events fleet would be better to use in image names actually. It sounds a bit complicated with each individual bus being different in some way but would be good to get it all sorted once it is all settled. I'll keep an eye out for the coach! Editor5807^speak 19:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

KE06 EMX

I've been going through my photos and preparing them for uploading when I came across a Wightbus vehicle I can't find any coverage of on Commons. The registration is KE06 EMX and it looks exactly the same as this one in your photo. I was just wondering if you knew the fleet number for the image title as I can't see it anywhere on my photo! Editor5807^speak 20:35, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'll endeavour to find out. Arriva436/talk/contribs 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

That didn't take long, there was already a report from around when it first arrived in July 2011! Apparently it's 5869, but was never displayed. Arriva436/talk/contribs 19:02, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

It arrived in July 2011?? My photo was from May 2011! Thanks for your help, I've just uploaded it. Editor5807^speak 21:42, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Just proving the importance of word order lol! Should have said: "there was already a report in July 2011 from around when it first arrived!" !!! Arriva436/talk/contribs 22:17, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

SV on One Show

The Southern Vectis 'volunteer driver' scheme was discussed on tonight's The One Show, including a few scenes of buses/depot etc, so I thought I'd let you know in case you never saw it and want to catch it on the iPlayer. I've pinged your Isle of Wight partner in crime too.... Ultra7 (talk) 18:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that :) I had actually just watched it when I saw your message, but I really do appreciate the message as it was only through someone else telling me that I saw it, otherwise I would have missed it! It was very good, not just because of the depot & buses but because the bits out on the road were filmed in locations I know extremely well. Very odd to see them on the tele! Arriva436/talk/contribs 20:05, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Festival buses

I've been working through getting a number of photos uploaded recently and am now fast approaching my shots of the Festival buses. We'd discussed earlier naming them all "File:Go South Coast events fleet (number) (registration).JPG", which I still think is a good idea as opposed to just the livery of their old operator but I wanted to get the old photos re-named before uploading more in the new style. So far, I'm assuming:

• All the ex-London B7TLs used at the Festival are remaining part of the events fleet?
• Also the same for the ex-Wilts & Dorset DAF DB250s?
• And the two VRs (Damory and the overall dark blue one)?

There's a few I'm unsure about like this one, and Wilts & Dorset Leyland Olympians 706 711 and 712. Additionally, all the ex-London B7TLs, at the time of the Festival didn't have Go South Coast fleet numbering applied too the buses, they just had the old London numbering. However, I think it would be better to still use the new Go South Coast numbering when naming the files? In which case, do you have a fleet list of the events fleet with registration details for each bus?

Sorry to suddenly hassle you with a lot of questions, but I didn't want to make mistakes, and make the process even more complicated! I think that's everything for now. Happy new year, Editor5807^speak 20:15, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay in replying. I still think renaming them is a good idea, too. Most of the PVLs are remaining part of the events fleet, with the exception of those now in the bus fleet. I thought they used their London fleet numbers, I agree we should use the GSC numbers though - see below about that. Sadly the fleet list I've got doesn't specify whether they're events fleet or not - just whether they're at SV. Obviously 1951/2 are now SV bus fleet, but would have been in the events fleet during IOW Festival. 1942 (Y742 TGH) and 1977 (X577 EGK) are at Marchwood Motorways. I'm pretty sure these two went straight there, but again, they were probably events fleet if in service at the Festival, and then changed to Marchwood when they were randomly picked out of them all for transfer.

The DAFs have moved back to W&D and Damory. Well, 3148-3152/3157 have, were they the only ones that have been in the events fleet? Please tell me if you know of others, and I'll check. They were definitely in the events fleet at the time though - and have only moved to Dorset to pick up the new Damory school contracts from September (i.e. after all the events except Bestival - but the PVLs could have covered bestival). (I don't know whether you've heard about the Dorset retendering. Essentially GSC got nearly all the school contracts in Dorset, and it was a disaster). The sames goes for ancient Oly 4923 (A175 VFM) - it's now ex-event fleet and back at Damory.

The VRs are at Damory for schools too (ironically First were banned from putting tenders in because they didn't meet Dorset CC's new quality standards, but GSC use quite a bit of rubbish...). The Damory one is 4435 (GEL 685V) and the blue one 4431 (GEL 681V), right? Again, they were in the events fleet at the time...

In terms of the odd ones, they're all back too (except the Bluestar one's at W&D). In fact, if I post this link, are you able to see it?

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1qCVioWXa4XOGI3ZjQ2NWQtZmRlMy00NDg4LTkyMmUtNjk2YjJkY2NhODIw&hl=en_US That'll give you the PVL fleet numbers - they start at 1901. If not, I'll give you the details. In terms of naming and renaming, I think perhaps the Wilts and Bluestar 7xx Olys should keep their names, and perhaps the Wilts DAFs as they have gone back, but everything else should be renamed? I'll have to do some checking as to how long they were all in the events fleet for, as that will sway it for or against.

No problem about the questions, it's good to get everything right. I have just heard that Bustival is 15th April this year. I won't be able to make that again this year, sadly, and that's definite. I might come over during the Festival though - especially if they use the artics!! DAF 507 is apparently allocated to the first 33 journey into Newport of a morning. It's been on the 5 a lot as well so far apparently. Think there was something else I was going to tell you, but I can't remember it now! Oh nope, just remember in time before saving! The white Scania OmniCity that was on loan while the Scania deckers are being amended under warranty has gone, replaced by another - it's YT11 LPN, and is a Scania OmniLink demonstrator. I think that's everything, too! Arriva436/talk/contribs 23:06, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Apologies for my also late reply... Having a new university course interview, two exams and two assignments due in in the space of four days was incredibly hectic! That all sounds good to me. So that would mean the only files that would need re-naming would be the really old Wilts & Dorset Olympian, the two VRs and the PVLs? I can see the fleet list you linked to as well, so that will help with numbers, thanks for that. I've some of the bendy buses at Ryde depot when I had spare time the other day, so it will be interesting if they do make the Festival! I've also got 507 on the 33, although an afternoon journey, and more interestingly one of the long darts on route 1, the first time I've seen an ex-Wightbus vehicle on the route...shame it still had to terminate at the Co-op! I'll try and make it to Bustival again as well, so thanks for the advance notice. It would be good to get all the years done. Editor5807^speak 21:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a nightmare! Yes - I think that would be right. Glad you can see the fleet list. Hopefully, it should stay at the same link when it gets continually updated. Seeing the latest SV-only fleet list, a lot of the PVLs are due to go to Damory - so I'd say it's likely that the artics will be used! Good! That fleetlist also says what's events fleet which is good!

Ah excellent - I'd heard one of the Wightbus long Darts had been on it, but no one got a photo seemingly! I got castigated when I mentioned that they have too few MPDs, as apparently three spare for a PVR of 7 is ridiculous (they have two spares at the moment). Not sure that the passengers left stranded at the pontoon would agree - especially as decker (or otherwise) operation of the 1 is so common at the moment - about once every week (on a few journeys each time!). It's especially a problem as the MPDs are spare for the 6 too - now there's a route restriction deckers cannot go on it (actually - they should still be able to on Sunday - do you know if they do?). Anyway, unless they can muster up a Solo then only MPDs can go on it if one of the ex-Wightbus ones dies. I saw on twitter once they'd hoicked a Dart off the 1 just to put it on the 6!

I really want to see one of the ex-Wightbus MPDs try the 1! Or a Solo - that would be good, I wonder if the driver would be told to avoid the pontoon? It is possible apparently, but is very tight!! Arriva436/talk/contribs 20:41, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

L131 ELJ

The Festival photos are progressing well so far, but I've just remembered after finding it among my photos, there doesn't appear to be a fleet number on this bus. Do you know if it has one? Or is it just 131? It was in North Somerset Coaches livery at the time of the Festival. Thanks, Editor5807^speak 21:01, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm afriad I've no idea. The person who persuaded the owner to put fleet numbers on has left the company, and I'm not sure if they apply numbers to them any more. I reckon they'll probably refer to it as 131 for short, so you could risk it. You could ask them on Facebook or something I suppose. Arriva436/talk/contribs 22:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Also, those shots of the buses in the Hovercraft terminal car park. Were passengers being walked over the bridge to catch them there? If so, do you think it would be worth mentioning that in the description, as I don't think they usually do that do they...? Arriva436/talk/contribs 22:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

OK don't worry then. Most of the bus passengers waiting in the Hovertravel car park had come over on the hovercraft. I think last year was the first time Southern Vectis had actually taken buses into the Hovertravel car park as I hadn't seen them use it for either the Festival or Bestival in 2010, so I'll mention that actually. Whilst a few passengers from the FastCat walked over to the Hovercraft buses because the queue was shorter, Southern Vectis didn't ask anyone to do this. Editor5807^speak 22:37, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Category:Daimler buses in the United Kingdom

Hi Arriva436, It seems to me to be a mistake to include this category in Daimler Motor Company buses. Because they are Daimler buses they are already in Daimler Motor Company buses and this makes them "over-categorized". But I thought I would give you the chance to show I am wrong before I made the change. Please would you consider the matter and let me know your thoughts. regards, Eddaido (talk) 00:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

I am no authority on categorizing. It is always possible I have misunderstood something. Here is my basis for asking you to consider the effect of including Category:Daimler buses in the United Kingdom under Category:Daimler Motor Company buses, it is because all the files in Daimler buses in the UK are Daimlers and so they are in Daimler Motor Company buses. You are adding them back into the same tree, see Wikimedia Help Eddaido (talk) 05:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Understood, see below. Ultra7 (talk) 14:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Excuse me butting in, but I noticed your edits adding engine/reg info to some images and found this post. As far as categorising Category:Daimler buses in the United Kingdom under Category:Daimler Motor Company buses rather than merging the two, the reason for that is so that we can have every bus pictured in the UK categorised by manufacturer. In that wider scheme, it cannot simply be assumed that all the images of a bus by a particular manufacturer will have been taken in the UK - several UK manufacturers have exported buses over the years (and vice-versa, the category also lists buses made by foreign manufacturers like Volvo, whose buses can be pictured all over the world, not just in the UK). I don't know whether this is the case for Daimler, but imho it's best not to assume, and just keep the same structure for all manufacturers.

I've no problem with the category, I do not want to merge it into something else, it makes complete sense to me. What I do have a problem with is that Category:Daimler buses in the United Kingdom has been included under Category:Daimler Motor Company buses - so that everything is counted twice. If Category:Daimler buses in the United Kingdom is removed from Category:Daimler Motor Company buses I am perfectly happy. Do you completely follow my thinking? Eddaido (talk) 05:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I understand the issue, but the location category does belong under the manufacturer. It doesn't look right at the moment because it needs to be made clearer that for all manufacturers, there are/can be/should be two sub-branches, e.g. Categogery:Daimler buses by location and Categogery:Daimler buses by model. We will eventually get there, but it's going to take ages, but rest assured that is the goal of the current system as far as I'm concerned. If you want to implement that for Daimler now, categorising every image we have by location and model, and leave the rest of the manufacturers to catch up, then I'm fine with that. Ultra7 (talk) 14:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Here is the crux of the matter - see below, right down the bottom. Eddaido (talk) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

In cases where there's also a model category, eg the Fleetline, then admittedly this is causing some pages to look like they have too many categories (it can be up to 5 including the type ie double-decker etc, when there's also a corresponding bodywork model & manufacturer), but I have recently started to consolidate this with categories like Category:Alexander AV on Volvo Ailsa B55 buses in the United Kingdom, which replaces the whole lot but which will allow for other country based categories if/when someone finds any images of the several hundred Volvo Ailsas that were built for export, photographed in their operating countries.

If you categorize an image five ways that is fine but you may not then add the categories together into one for if you do you will be counting the same image five times - understand? Generally files should only be in the most specific category that exists for a certain topic.

Now I'd better admit I'm not certain I understand your last para properly however I am not concerned about the number of categories, I am just concerned about multiple counting. Eddaido (talk) 05:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe that these categories are multiple counting as you put it. Firstly, they are the most specific appropriate category given the subject - manufacturers and operating location are very tied together for many buses, given the exclusive nature of many, and given the fact that there will always be visual differences in buses sold in different countries, even if they are the same model. I avoid over-categorisation by making sure that when I put images in one of these categories, I make sure they don't appear in any of the branches above which feed into it, which is what I think over-categorisation is all about (given the diagram). Ultra7 (talk) 14:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Fine, no probs. Eddaido (talk) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

As far as your engine/reg edits go, could you explain where you get the info so that we can use it for other manufacturers. Obvioulsy DVLA is the Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency, so is this coming from some online database? The info appears useful and certainly goes beyond what I use for registrations (buslistsontheweb), which only gives month and year (and it's never actually been clear to me whether that's build date or date of registration), but it's also probably better expressed in plain English when incorporated into the description text. ie, for this example, it would probably be better expressed as the sentence "The vehicle has a Leyland 9999cc Heavy Oil engine, and was first registered on 25 July 1980." (if that's indeed what is meant?). Ultra7 (talk) 15:10, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Re DVLA notes on some files. You can check its database here Public services all in one place

It wasn't difficult for a foreigner like me to find once I knew of its existence.

There is from time to time reason to doubt the accuracy of DVLA records and so I felt it best to make it clear what the source was. I think it is a complete waste of effort to turn notes into sentences. Just look at the info provided by DVLA and you will get a better grasp of what is being dealt with. I do think it is important that the source (DVLA) is always noted. Eddaido (talk) 05:54, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I disagree on the effort, but I guess I can't force you to write it out in full lol. Thanks for the link, it looks interesting. Ultra7 (talk) 14:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Must disagree here too - our descriptions on Commons are for readers - outside readers who may not have any knowledge of what's in the photo. Therefore we use prose to describe. There's no point just using a load of shorthand notes if the reader's not going to know what the hell it means. Arriva436/talk/contribs 18:43, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Then I promise to do no more, anyway its a pretty stupid kind of job best suited to my level of intellectual ability. Eddaido (talk) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

My thoughts

I think Ultra7 has pretty much already said what I would have (thanks Ultra).

To repeat, take a category like Category:Alexander Dennis buses. The images within are seperated via two subcategory systems: Category:Alexander Dennis buses in the United Kingdom and the model (i.e. Category:Alexander Dennis Enviro400). Not a problem.

Category:Daimler Motor Company buses. Now, we have the same 'by country' subcat, which is fine. However, there's (probably) not a subcatergory for every model that Daimler made (if there is then there's no problems). Therefore, a number of images of Daimler buses that weren't either the Fleetline, CO, CV or CW series were put in both the UK sub cat, as a final measure, but also the main category, as an interim measure - pending creation of subcategories for each model. Technically overcategorised I suppose, yes, but it is actually far more useful and productive than following the rules exactly.

That's the principle behind it, anyway, though it was years since I did anything relating to these cats. As I say, if we have actually got a subcategory for each model Daimler ever made, then what I see when I look at the parent company cat (i.e. no images within that, model-based subcats and a location-based subcat) is fine. Arriva436/talk/contribs 18:59, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

That was the reason. Now that these have been taken out of the parent cat, if we want to say, create a subcateogry of the Daimler xyz, we're buggered, and would have to go rifling through the entire Damiler buses in the UK category to find any images.

You're not buggered, though maybe you should be for getting it wrong, I've made no change! I can be much too polite.

"would have to go rifling through the entire Damiler buses in the UK category to find any images". No you would not. You, having organized the whole thing(?) would know to go to Category:Buses in the United Kingdom by manufacturer wouldn't you? and then look for Daimler. Cheers, Eddaido (talk) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry - I was meaning from an editing pratcicality point of view (i.e. if I wanted to set up a new sub-category of the Daimler xyz, I wouldn't be able to find images of the Daimler xyz to put them in the new cat very easily, as rather than being in a small group in the parent cat (which is I agree technically overcategorised), they'd all be in only the Daimler in the UK cat. Therefore I'd have to go fishing through the UK cat, through all the photos of Fleetlines and COs etc etc that I don't want, to find the ones I did want to put in the new Daimler xyz model cat I'd just created). I wasn't meaning from a using/readers point of view. Is that clear, I'm not convinced I've worded it well? Anyway - we'd be better off discussing the point in the clearer comments at the bottom Ultra7 has just set up. Arriva436/talk/contribs 18:30, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I think it is best if am straightforward and admit to you I don't understand quite what you are saying here. I expect its covered below. Eddaido (talk) 01:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I should add that I wasn't intending the "we're buggered" comment to be impolite or to be taken seriously, apologies if I've caused any offence. Arriva436/talk/contribs 18:34, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Maybe I should now apologise to you. I was not offended (except by the suggestion I had changed category without discussing it and then not a lot) I just enjoyed the idea that some other foreigners might be startled by it, best regards, Eddaido (talk) 01:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Where I came from

I have no interest in buses.

A bus enthusiast did something nice for me and to say thanks I sorted the muddled Daimler Fleetline so they are organized in order of first registration (or date of manufacture) and I used DVLA as a source for the necessary detail. In the process I noticed the double counting and to forestall a scrap wrote to Arriva436, the editor who arranged it, before I just went and fixed it. And, buggerme, I still haven't, don't know why.

As I say above I see nothing wrong with giving an image (say) five different categories.

But, Arriva436, it Is wrong to then create the tree for each new category so it feeds into the tree of another one of those five categories (or all of them). That is over-categorizing. And I think Ultra7 sees that. So—

If you want images of Daimler buses go to the Daimler category and go down the tree.

If you want images of Daimler buses by location go to the buses location category and look for the Daimlers in there.

Easy. See? Do Not go putting Daimlers by location under Daimlers by manufacturer because then you get double counting and That is over-categorization.

Please do not let this discussion drop until we are all satisfied. Arriva436 was a category pioneer and pioneers can be strong characters. Have a nice Sunday, Eddaido (talk) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I think we both understand your concerns, and are all trying to get to the same place. Perhaps a visual representation helps....

This is what we currently have:

• Daimler Motor Company buses
  • Daimler buses in the UK
  • Daimler CO
  • Daimler CV
  • Daimler CW
  • Daimler Fleetline

I, and I think Arriva, agreee, this is currently wrong - because when we have an image that is not a CO/V/W or a Fleetline, it goes in the UK category and the one above it, Daimler buses.

No that is not correct. Very sorry about this but all that is wrong is this:

Daimler buses in the UK is in another tree - buses by location, it has no business under Daimler Motor Company buses providing double counting if its an image of a Daimler bus and in the UK. Eddaido (talk) 21:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

This is what I understand as over-categorisation, per the diagram. I, and I think Arriva, both agree that what it should be is as follows:

• Daimler Motor Company buses
  • Daimler buses by location
    • Daimler buses in the UK
    • Daimler buses in ????
    • etc
  • Daimler buses by model
    • Daimler CO
    • Daimler CV
    • Daimler CW
    • Daimler Fleetline
    • etc

Every image of a Daimler bus would then have a model and a location category. If it was like that, then I don't think it's over-categorisation, and would meet your concerns. We can get there, but it will take some time, as unfortunately the first system is how most UK manufacturers are set up currently.

No! Buses by location is a separate tree from busses by Daimler. Add in a second tree to Daimler Motor Company buses and there is the double counting! Eddaido (talk) 21:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Now, I've also taken this one step further recently, and in some cases, the system is now (or would be for Daimler):

• Daimler buses
  • Daimler buses by location
    • Daimler buses in XYZ
      • Daimler models in location (eg Fleetlines in the UK)
  • Daimler buses by model
    • Daimler ABC
      • Daimler models in location (eg Fleetlines in the UK)

I also don't think that this is over-categorisation per the diagram, because for images in that Fleetlines in the UK category, it doesn't matter which tree you go down, location or model, you end up at the most specific category (ie the image doesn't also appear in either branch further up). I do object when some people do this for non-defining features, such as Buses in town in month/year as one person has tried, but model/location is a good defining feature imho, as I explained above. If you still think that's wrong and is an example of over-categorisation, then I think we do have a big problem, because I (and many others) have been objecting to having 5 categories on images which do the same job as this one. Ultra7 (talk) 15:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Nicely put Ultra - that is exactly what I was meaning. I think the middle layout (I'll repeat it here for maximum clarity)

• Daimler Motor Company buses
  • Daimler buses by location
    • Daimler buses in the UK
    • Daimler buses in ????
    • etc
  • Daimler buses by model
    • Daimler CO
    • Daimler CV
    • Daimler CW
    • Daimler Fleetline
    • etc

...is the one we're realistically aiming for in most cases. I agree with Ultra that there is no overcategorisation in this system. I suppose, it wouldn't be too difficult to go around each bus manufacturer and create a "(Bus manufacturer) buses by location" and a "(Bus manufacturer) buses by model" subcat to put the other subcats in, and avoid any overcatgorisation. If we can agree that this wouldn't be overcategorised, might this we the way forward? (N.B. reply in blue for clarity with all these bullet points. Arriva436/talk/contribs 18:38, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Really sorry about this but Everything by Ultra and Arriva after "Now, I've also taken this one step further recently" has gone right off the rails - we need help!

Sorry but your misunderstanding is now running so strong we need help to clarify things. Where do we get it so you can understand the very simple and straightforward and, in a way, highly understandable conceptual mistake you are making?

Please think about this again:

If you want images of Daimler buses go to the Daimler category and go down the tree.

If you want images of Daimler buses by location Do Not Go To Daimler! go to the buses by location category and look for the Daimlers in there. Eddaido (talk) 21:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

No. "If you want images of Daimler buses go to the Daimler category and go down the tree." I agree. "If you want images of Daimler buses by location Do Not Go To Daimler! go to the buses by location category and look for the Daimlers in there." Nope, I'm afraid I simply do not agree with this one - there's absolutely nothing wrong with having "Daimler buses by location" in the main "Daimler buses" category - in fact it would be wrong, in my opinion, to not put it in there. Arriva436/talk/contribs 08:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I disagree too. The Commons category system is not meant to be so abstract that basic concepts like location and description (ie make & model for buses) have to be kept completely separate all the way from the top of the main tree (ie Category:Buses). There is no logic in assuming that someone looking for Daimler buses in the UK, wouldn't go to the Daimler category first (or arrive there via a Wikipedia project). And this is also not over-categorisation - as long as an image doesn't get a 'Daimler Bus in the UK' and a 'Bus in the UK' category place on the image page. If it only has the first one, then for the purposes of the whole Buses by location branch, there has been no double counting. And just because you can get from that single category to Category:Buses via two different routes is not over-categorisation. Ultra7 (talk) 14:41, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I know you both disagree with me, that's why we are having this discussion. Can we call in a third party to sort this out? Regards, Eddaido (talk) 19:31, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I was trying to be clear about what it is we are disagreeing on. I have no problem with a third party looking at this. Ultra7 (talk) 20:37, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Yep. I agree with Ultra. Now we're clear on what we're disagreeing on, I've no problem with third party input either. Arriva436/talk/contribs 23:33, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

We seem to have attracted some visitors to this page over the last few days though they may have been looking at one of the earlier discussions. While I feel strongly my opinion is correct (well strongly enough to persist) I recognize that it may not be correct. I just want a recognized expert to come up with their opinion and explanation for it. Is there any kind of forum where we can consult?

It seems to me that this item covers my concern. Does it help at all? Category considerations. And in the meantime I'm thinking. Eddaido (talk) 03:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I've no idea of the best place to take this, so I'll let you two decide. Arriva436/talk/contribs 20:59, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Have we got anywhere with this? The only place I know that we could take it to is the village pump, but I'm not sure that's right. Arriva436/talk/contribs 20:07, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I've not taken it anywhere. I've raised a some issues before seeking input at various places, but in my experience Commons is a bit of a waste land. Ultra7 (talk) 16:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Bus changes

Hey, I've just updated your table for the Isle of Wight bus routes (User:Arriva436/Bus changes 1), so hopefully you don't mind. I've updated it with some of my work on other routes too. Currently the 35 looks a bit messy with it really being two separate routes. Obviously feel free to change anything, I've just really done it to show what I've done if you come down.

I've heard the funding for route 25 will stop this September? If so, I will prioritise getting it done, there's not much left on it anyway. Do you know if the Needles connector route 21 is running again? I've also heard something about a new tourist service linking Ryde, Sandown, Newport and Alum Bay? Luckily the 22/23/24 seem to be safe for the moment. Editor5807^speak 19:41, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

That's excellent thank you. Definitely don't mind! I don't think I'll get down at Easter (not for any great length of time, anyway), so it might be the summer I'm next down. If they do run the artics, then I'll try and go down then!!

Haven't heard about the 25, but it really wouldn't surprise me. Could be worth doing anyway, it drives up the hill on Hefford Road doesn't it, so a great scenic shot should be possible for that one! I've heard that the 22/23/24 are due to be re-registered, similar to their current format.

The 21 was registered, and Traveline says it's running: http://www.travelinesoutheast.org.uk/se/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&command=direct&net=set&line=08021&sup=C&project=y08&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&itdLPxx_sessionID=SEWEB15_58934140&lineVer=1&itdLPxx_spTr=1 But it does seem to have gone wrong on Traveline so that it only says it runs on Good Friday and Easter Sunday!

Yes, you're sort of right. I probably shouldn't give the details away (I'm sure the wait won't be too long), but think X10, X11 without route numbers +then a school run +then an Island Coaster style run through Newport, from Ryde & another from Sandown. Arriva436/talk/contribs 20:16, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

And also - watch out, the Go South Coast renumbering scheme will be coming your way shortly! Arriva436/talk/contribs 22:35, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, it shouldn't be long now before they release the details if the timetables change on Sunday. My Hefford Road photo is pretty boring at the moment so if I have time I'll do it in the location you suggested. The renumbering should be interesting, is it most of the fleet that's getting renumbered? If so that could cause some file naming problems. Probably better to discuss that when we know the full details. Editor5807^speak 19:02, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The B7s and MPDs will definitely be done, as will the Solos probably. The Scania deckers will be alright - I'm not sure about the coaches. Any with three digit numbers will be re-done, I suspect some of the others will be too. The coaches will be where most of the file naming problems lie I suspect. They've done Bluestar, and are in the middle of doing Wilts & Dorset, so it won't be long. The B7s of course have already been renumbered once before!! Arriva436/talk/contribs 21:25, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

New timetable is out: http://islandbuses.info/pdfs/times010412.pdf Arriva436/talk/contribs 21:37, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Clearing the backlog

You'll be pleased to hear I made it to Bustival and got quite a lot of photos done. It was a lot bigger than previous years, with more stalls and more entertainment than before. My main problem is that if I keep uploading at the rate I am, with the number I've now got in the queue, it could be years before I actually get them up! What I think I'm going to do, is upload everything I've got into Category:Unsorted images by Editor5807, then sort them out over time. At least that way they are all on Commons, and I can get the important ones (like Bustival, the rest of Wightbus and other events) done quickly. I think if I put them into that category temporarily, they should be left alone by other users as they're clearly all going to be useful anyway. Feel free to sort if you have time, although I'm sure your own backlog is getting unimaginably big now! Editor5807^speak 12:39, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi - sorry for the delay. Glad to hear you made it. I've seen some pics and the buses are parked quite close together which was a shame. I think it's because a few of the buses sank in the mud while they were being positioned and had to be rescued by Stag Lane Motors lol

Good idea with the temporary category. Seeing some you've uploaded, I think it may be an idea to put a brief description in though, rather than nothing, this will be useful in the transitional period and should avoid attention from other editors.

I think at this rate, I'd take about 20 years to upload all of mine!! But come the summer, I've told myself that I'm going to clear the backlog of Isle of Wight photos - so hopefully I can manage that. I look forward to seeing your pics. By the way, 601 and 614 have been withdrawn and at least 614 found a buyer the other day. Arriva436/talk/contribs 19:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

They were parked quite close, but having looked through my photos, most of them show the individual bus quite well, so that shouldn't matter too much. There was a lot more other stuff there this time, like a marching band, falconry display and a battle re-enactment thing, which I've also got photos of.

I agree about adding a description, which I've started doing now. I've just realised that without one, all the files automatically get placed into a 'media without description' category, which I don't want..

614 was at Bustival, so I've got some last photos of that. It now has another signed back, this time with the hospice taking donations for people signing it at Bustival. Although it's a shame that with all the photos we have of 614, not one of them are of it actually running a proper Island Breezer tour! Editor5807^speak 23:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Additionally, and sorry to bombard you with messages, but do you know anything about the vehicles that were brought over to be used as Island Games shuttles? There were several shuttle services in place over the week of the Island Games, to take participants to the various venues, but they seem to have been run with a bizarre mix of vehicles. I've uploaded the Countryliner bus that was brought over, I've got more from buses that were in the events fleet at the time, but there was also a coach from Brighton & Hove, vehicles from a coach company called Amport & District, as well as others. Do you know why those vehicles were chosen? Not to worry if you don't, though. Editor5807^speak 12:02, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I hadn't realised we'd not got 614 in normal service. Oh well, at least it was well covered in itself! Perhaps the lack of photos of it in service really reflects its status as the last resort spare! I hear the name signing for just for Bustival :(

Don't worry about sending me messages. I'm afraid I don't know anything about the shuttles, though I did have a brainwave and saw that your photos were 27th June and some Googling shows Glastonbury was 25-26th June 2011, which might explain why they couldn't just cover it with their own events fleet. Nice to see a Countryliner over there though! How could you tell what they were doing, I'm surprised they don't have any details on them. The B&H has an SV-diamond-style "B", but that's it! I heard they had special bus stops? Arriva436/talk/contribs 19:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

You're right. I'd assumed the Countryliner bus was over for Island Games shuttles, but perhaps, more likely it was just over for private hire? I'm glad I managed to get it then. There were special bus stop flags used, and you've probably seen I've now uploaded some. They were actually selling some of them at Bustival the other day too.

I think the fleet re-numbering has started over here now. Earlier today I saw the old 304 (HW54 BTY), now re-numbered as 3317. Editor5807^speak 19:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Well it could have been for Games Shuttles, after all it wouldn't have been the only non-Go-Ahead group vehicle doing it. I'm not sure Countryliner even do that much private hire now anyway, not since their licence cuts. Yes, SV renumbering started the other day. When it's all done (and thus in public domain) I'll post the list I've got so we can keep track! 602 reverts back to its old number of 702 though apparently, which has pleased a lot of people! Arriva436/talk/contribs 20:03, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Portsmouth

Unfortunately I'm coming to the end of my time in Portsmouth, and my studies will be based much more on the Island from next year. I was wondering since you usually go through Southampton to get to the Island, if there was anything you particularly wanted photographed in Portsmouth while I've still got easy access to it? Although I'll still have to make trips over, these will be very infrequent and I won't be renewing my ferry pass which runs out very soon. If there was anything I'll endeavour to get it done if I have time. I'd like to get more of the University and University bus route done personally. I also noticed Xelabus are running an open-top route X25 around the city this Summer..shame it's only at weekends though! Editor5807^speak 22:55, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Oh, OK, thanks for the offer to "do requests"! Erm... well, as you say, getting that Xelabus tour in a couple of locations would be good, as well as the Uni buses. Maybe some more bus stops around the city?

I think First is OK, maybe you might want to check you've got every route. There's the new Solent Ranger branding that some of the Darts coming in on new route X4 are wearing, it's based on the new First livery - that might be worth getting some shots of. I've had a look through what we've got, and maybe we could do with some more Volvo B7RLE/Wright Eclpse Urbans. There's a few Zip-branded ones, but I didn't see any of the route 40 branded examples (if they still have branding for that).

Stagecoach is reasonable, but you might want to target some more of those with the various route brandings, like the "Sail" Darts and the "Surf" Enviros. And Coastliners, if you see the Jubilee liveried Enviro it would be a bonus!!

The only other thing I can think of is perhaps snapping some National Express coaches around. Other than that, I think what we've got is pretty good coverage so well done with that.

By the way, looking on the SV website, I see that on one day, Kemming Road is closed and the Island Coaster will have to go around Bannock Road! Also, Ashey Road is closed for a bit, so the Downs Tour and Island Coaster has to go through Brading which might be worth some shots. But frankly, since the withdrawal of the 10, it's most noteworthy as a limited opportunity to go all the way over the downs into Brading on a double decker - open top too! A shame I can't come over to go on it, as when I went on the 10 before it got the chop it was an MPD...

You won't get a shot, but I thought it might be of interest that a Nottingham City Transport Solo SR was over (it might have gone back today) for evaluation. It didn't run in service or anything really interesting though. Arriva436/talk/contribs 14:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

OK thanks for that. I'll try to aim for that in the time I've got left. I still have a number of the ones you mentioned in my list to upload, such as the route 40 branded Wright Eclipse Urbans and the Solent Ranger bus. Luckily I've actually got the Jubilee branded Enviro! I'm so glad I took a photo now, because I didn't realise there was only one around at the time. Strangely it was at Clarence Pier in Southsea, an area which I hardly ever go to! Kemming Road was closed for the Whitwell Jubilee Street Party, which I've also got some photos of. I noticed another Wilts & Dorset Solo in Newport bus station today as well, still in Wilts & Dorset livery.. Editor5807^speak 21:10, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks for that. There's ever more Solent Rangers coming out of the paint shops I hear! Yes, I gathered that's what the road closure must have been for! The Wilts & Dorset Solo is only a temporary loan, and is for bus fleet use only (it's got no seatbelts). It's to allow one of the SV Solos to go into the coach fleet, in turn allowing an ex-Wightbus MPD go be able to go on bus work without having to remove all the disabled children equipment from it first. This provides an extra MPD to go on the 1s, so should stop the way too frequent occurrences of deckers and Solos ending up on the 1, since 302 crashed into that building. Only a mere couple of months between the crash and them doing anything about leaving passengers stranded at the Pontoon lol. Arriva436/talk/contribs 15:59, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Forgot to say, coach 7013 did most of the day on route 6 on Friday 8th. Did you see it?! Arriva436/talk/contribs 16:04, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I was in Portsmouth on Saturday on my way over to the island, and took an hour out to catch and picture Xelabus' Atlantean (702) on the X25. The Eastney terminus is a nice location - I could upload a shot from there if it helps. It's a great bus and well worth a ride, and the route runs every day for a month during late July/early August. I'm lucky enough to have some pictures of it from back when it was running with City Sightseeing in Oxford (as BFS14L to begin with, and later with its current NI registration). Alzarian16 (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

File:Xelabus 702 GJZ 9571 at Eastney.JPG. Alzarian16 (talk) 20:16, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

That's a great photo, thanks for that. I'm hoping to make it over one weekend soon, but I'm unlikely to make it to the Eastney terminus, so if you have one of that too, it would be great. Editor5807^speak 21:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

That one is at the terminus - they call it Henderson Park in the timetable, but it seems to just be a residential street one road away from the seafront a bit beyond the Royal Marines Museum. I pictured 702 at the Hard as well, not quite as well as at Eastney, but if we want another location at any point I could add that one as well. Alzarian16 (talk) 23:56, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Alzarian - that's excellent. If you could upload another one it would be great. Arriva436/talk/contribs 21:54, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

OK then, here's the harbour one: File:Xelabus 702 GJZ 9571 at Portsmouth Harbour.JPG. Alzarian16 (talk) 11:47, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. Look at all those bus stop flags too! Arriva436/talk/contribs 11:16, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

OK thanks for the clarification. I've got photos of the Wilts & Dorset Solo on routes 5 and 38 anyway. Coach 7013 on route 6 was a surprise to me as I caught it! So I've got photos of it in Ventnor now which should be interesting.

I was also wondering if you were still planning to come down for the Festival the weekend after next? It's just if you are, I've got a ticket again so I'll probably focus more on getting the event itself done if I know you'll be covering the buses. Editor5807^speak 18:12, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

That's good. Re the festival, ermmmm......! The trouble is, I'll still be at uni when the festival starts on the Friday. There's a "need" to go to Nottingham to photograph something major before it gets changed, which will have to wait until after exams now (i.e the Saturday). So, the earliest I can get down there is probably Sunday night. I was thinking I could still pop over on the Monday - is it still really busy then with people going home? If so, I might come over. But it would mean I wouldn't be able to get anything done on the first few days, and anything like free buses to Supermarkets if they do that again this year. I'll let you know. I don't want to miss the chance to see an artic turning at Cowes Co-op! Arriva436/talk/contribs 19:14, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry if you can't make it over. I'll be here and will have time to get coverage as I have in previous years. It is still pretty busy on Monday, as that's usually when most people are heading back, although obviously no supermarket shuttles. I've never really done Monday's workings as I've been so tired before from being at the Festival and have usually got enough photos by that point anyway. Although this year most of my Bestival shots were on Monday as people were heading back. So only come down if you want to or think it's worth it, as I'll still be able to get some myself. Editor5807^speak 21:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. We'll see, I can't guarantee anything, sorry. I suspect the artics won't get used on the Cowes routes anyway (I think they'll probably use deckers), so perhaps on a personal front I won't miss anything. I'll see what pans out over the next couple of days. Incidentally, two things I thought of, have you got photos of the Hoverbus in its new livery, and also whether you've seen that Stagecoach Enviro in an all over advert for Stagecoach's Megamonkey ticket? Arriva436/talk/contribs 21:54, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah... I think it will be safe to say I won't be coming over at all. There's something I need to do at home, and there remains the potential for Monday to be a complete disaster, with a reverse of Thursday and Friday morning's events! I hope you weren't too badly affected in all the gridlock, and weren't on one of the 9s that took 4 hours or whatever! If it helps with your bus photos, then as far as I'm aware, it's all SV except two Olympians that Xelabus have brought over. Artics, B7TLs and a couple of coaches are in use on the festival work. And 503, that events fleet support vehicle Optare Delta, is parked on the festival site somewhere. Arriva436/talk/contribs 11:23, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Thursday was an interesting day... I almost always take the 3 from Ventnor to get photos in Ryde, avoiding the queues in Newport, but this time chose to go via Newport for some reason. Anyway, I was on a number 9 for about 4 hours! I gave up in the end after making next to no progress. On the bright side, I managed some good photos of the ridiculously long traffic queues, routes 5, 9 and 25 stuck in Staplers, Festival goers just relaxing in the middle of the road, and the police later trying to bring some control to it.

Unfortunately I haven't really had chance to get to Ryde or Cowes at all, so most of my photos are in Newport, but I have got a good number, as well as Xelabus buses, buses going up the closed section of Fairlee Road to avoid queues, and some crazy scenes at the Festival bus station last night. Basically, getting everyone home last night was quite badly organised, people started getting impatient, broke through the barriers into the restricted section where all the buses pull in which ended up full of people, meaning buses couldn't actually get in! The Festival itself is quite well covered too, including mud! I look forward to uploading them...! Editor5807^speak 01:27, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. Wow - I'd have definitely given up on the 9, 4 hours is some dedication! I could walk it in two and a half hours I think!! It's excellent you've got some photos of the chaos though, in time this year's festival will be remembered far more for that than anything else! Sounds like you covered all the buses and the festival site well too, how were the artics going?! I look forward to seeing the photos. Arriva436/talk/contribs 21:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

m2 bus photo

Hello,

Could you please use your photo of a Wilts and Dorset M2 Bournemouth bus in our paper?

PLease email/call me as soon as possbile if so.

Regards

Stephen Bailey Bournemouth Echo 01202 411 255 stephen.bailey@bournemouthecho.co.uk

Email sent. Arriva436/talk/contribs 19:07, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

When is an Esteem not an Esteem?

Hi Arriva436,

Since from past experience you tend to know what you're talking about re bus models, I thought I'd better check something with you before changing it!

I noticed that whereas you've described (and categorized) Quality Line's SD49 as an Esteem, you've referred to similar SD52 as a "Myllennium with Esteem front and rear ends", and categorized it with the Myllennia.

I thought that a "Myllennium with Esteem front and rear ends" is basically what an Esteem is? - just as the Myllennium (on the Dart SLF chassis, at least) was essentially a Spryte with a new front end. Both offered a choice of bonded square or radiused gasket mounted side windows, and indeed the last batch of Esteems built also had the gasket glazing.

However, before I go and reclassify SD52 into the Esteem category, am I missing something - is there more to it than the above?

Cheers, Quackdave (talk) 21:40, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Well, I'm not sure I know what I'm talking about 100% of the time!! As far as I'm aware, the first "Esteems" built actually used the old side design of the Myllennium, with only the front and rear being to the newer Esteem design. Later on, buses were built with all four sides to the new design. That's from memory, and I believe that the Quality Line ones were the some of the first Esteems (or perhaps "psuedo-Esteems"!) built! The Wikipedia article has a line which says this. I'm not near my Buses magazines at the moment so can't really check.

To be honest, I think it would be simpler to put the Quality Line stuff in the Esteem category and just clarify in the description.

Arriva436/talk/contribs 23:35, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've gone for categorizing it as an Esteem, and tweaked the description accordingly. Looking at more recent ones (e.g. SOE40, numerically the last), the sides don't look significantly different to me, so I don't think this was just a transitional thing, more an example of East Lancs' "mix and match" options philosophy. Indeed, the first Myllenniums (the Greenwich ones) actually had a side design very similar to the Esteem! Quackdave (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

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Dennis RS - Hertfordshire Fire & Rescue Photo

Hi, I have been writing a number of articles on the history of Dennis which have been published in a local magazine in Surrey, Vantage Point. For the next instalment, I would like to include your Wikipedia photo of a Hertfordshire Dennis RS. I will, of course credit you with the photograph (by name if possible rather than your arriva436 username).

You may have seen the articles published to date as I guess from your photos that you are in the Surrey area, if not I would be more than happy to send you copies.

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Used a crop of your photo for the banner at Wikivoyage Wootton Bridge

For your interest ...

Wikivoyer Wootton Bridge looked a little sad without a banner so after a quite look round I used a photo of yours which just about survived to require 7:1 ratio chop ...

https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wootton_Bridge

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