User talk:Bjarlin/Archive/2015

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-- Wikimedia Commons Welcome (talk) 17:34, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Sidzia Yudhistira.jpg

For your information, I removed the date from this file name as your suggested date may be wrong. Although the {{Information}} template states that the picture was taken in 1988, it says 2014 in the metadata below. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:31, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the info, I missed that actually. Good idea to look also there. Has the information template to be fixed now or what should be done about that?

One other issue for you also, as you are here now already: ;-) Your old commons.css is a broken redirect now because of the deletion of User:Stefan2/common.css in October and it's on Special:BrokenRedirects since then. Can you fix that? The same is also the case for User:Menner/commons-svg-checker.js because of moving User:Menner/CommonsSvgChecker.js without redirect into the MediaWiki namespace by User:Steinsplitter in November, see here. That should also be fixed, perhaps Steinsplitter can do it. --Bjarlin (talk) 23:43, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

User:Stefan4/common.css could just be deleted. I added a {{Speedy}} tag to it. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:53, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

That's good, thanks.

Haripranata uploaded 4 files about Sidzia, all with other dates of 1988 which is wrong. I've found id: Sidzia which says that Sidzia (Putu Eka Sidestrya Yudhistira) has been born on 13 Juni 1988 and is 27 years old now. So the photos can't be taken in January 1988, when he wasn't even born, but 3 files tell this, I can't imagine where those dates come from. All information about the dates are wrong, the metadata is right then. Do you want to correct the information with the EXIF data or shall the dates in the information templates better just be removed? --Bjarlin (talk) 00:08, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

User:Haripranata created the article in the Indonesian Wikipedia alone (including the date of the birth), so I’m wondering why he wrote January and June 1988 as creation date of the photos into the information template. --Bjarlin (talk) 00:28, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

File:Théophile Lybaert (1848-1927) Biddende vrouw (studie) MSK Gent 22-11-2015 12-18-25.JPG

Bjarlin, how am I to prove that this painting was published before 1923? I'm not related to the painter. 1923 will remain a conclusive date in the future? Only pictures of creators who died before 1926 can be uploaded without further questions? Is the dutch version of the upload page not up to date? Paul Hermans (talk) 18:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't know the Dutch version of the upload page. What is it saying?

U.S. copyright is complicated. If you upload anything old here on Commons (old artwork for example), you are the one that has to ensure that it is possible to upload it according to the law in the source country and also in the United States, only the source country is not enough. And it is irrelevant, if an uploader is related to the painter. Maybe it's possible to check this anywhere in the internet, I don't know. I haven't found anything more precisely about it there, so I suppose that it has to be deleted on Commons.

See here for more informations about non-U.S. works: Commons:Copyright tags#Non-U.S. works. The artwork has to be published before 1923, otherwise the licence {{PD-1923}} is not possible. {{PD-old}} has no U.S. licence, see here, so there also has to be any U.S. licence in addition. If the painting has been released in the U.S. after 1922, then there is the Template:Not-PD-US-URAA for that case which says that such files shall not be uploaded anymore and have to be deleted. So it has to be proved that it has been released before 1923, so that it can remain on Commons. If you can't find out more, maybe you can upload the painting locally on nl-Wikipedia or other Wikipedias (fr-Wikipedia) instead. I don't know, how it is handled there. But here on Commons, there are only files possible that also have a U.S. licence and not only a local licence of the source country. Perhaps you should ask at the Forum or on nl-Wikipedia, if you can't find out the year that the painting has been released in the U.S. If artworks of persons who died more than 70 years ago (in Belgium or in many other states) have been released before 1923, there will be no problem with them. If not, then it's necessary that the authors/painters died before 1926 in Belgium and other countries with PD-70, see {{PD-old-auto-1996}}.

I can't imagine, how the U.S. will handle this fix date 1923 (and also 1996 which often means died before 1926) in the future. I suppose, they will have to pass a new law some day, otherwise there will be no chance to host works of authors/painters on Commons who are dead since more than 90 (in the future: 95, 100, …) years ago. There should be done something about that. Wikimedia should also do something to get U.S. law improved for works of other countries. --Bjarlin (talk) 19:58, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your extensive answer. What I meant by saying that I'm not related to the painter is, I cannot ask any of his relatives how, where and when :) I'll copy your anwser on my own talk page. Merry Christmas Paul Hermans (talk) 13:30, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it's clearly not easy with such old paintings. I wish, there would be a better copyright for such cases. Maybe one day or another, it's getting better. If you want, then copy this there. :-) I think, it's best to upload such old paintings with unclear year of creation and release just locally, where PD-old-70 is possible, then there will be less problems with it, I suppose. And it's still possible to use them there. Merry Christmas also to you. --Bjarlin (talk) 14:03, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

slow down there, cowboy

i put stuff in a temp category til i get around to filing them properly. hold your horses cowboy. Famartin (talk) 06:09, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

In fact, I didn't notice at all that it has been in such a temp category for files that shall get another name, it looked just as a normal user category to me. Now I begin to understand, what you are doing there. You could have told that directly, I just thought you wanted to keep this meaningless name forever. Have a nice day. :-) --Bjarlin (talk) 16:29, 29 December 2015 (UTC)