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April 2014Edit

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Deletion request File: Salle Saint-Jacques (Bibliothèque de la Sorbonne).jpgEdit

Hello regarding to web pages unlikely to be own work this file: Salle Saint-Jacques (Bibliothèque de la Sorbonne).jpg web page results

I don't see any images that predate the upload on Commons. Can you be more specific why you think this image with metadata strikes you as "unlikely to be own work?" Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:40, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Duleep Wijesekera's PhotographEdit

Good Day to You !!! Dear Ellin You have Deleted the afore mentioned Photograph claiming that its a Copyright Violation,But Its NOT,I never do such Violations here intentionally,I sent an email to OTRS on 4/01/14 regarding this,but they never replied me,So who is Wrong ?

Link --MediaJet talk 11:50, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

GreetingsMediaJet: The file was marked "missing permission" 06:18, 1 April 2014 by User:LGA. A tag was placed on the page showing that the file was missing permission and after over a week, the files that were missing permissions were deleted as is standard. I notice on your original uploading statement which reads author = The captioned Photograph is “solely owned” by Hon Mr Duleep Wijesekera who has given me his expressed permission to publish same in the Wikimedia Commons.If anyone needs any clarification of the said works,Do please contact me through my email address as mentioned herein mediajet...[edited for privacy] I'd suggest in future starting with an OTRS because it is not up to the administrators to contact you to provide permission; it is up to the uploaders to fill in source, license, date and description. See Commons:Project scope/Evidence for more information on this. Even so, when the OTRS admins have a chance to get to your correspondence, if the license is at that point correct, the file may be restored. Please do not be offended by the automated system messages attached to the deletes, but please take a few minutes to review all your other uploads for any other missing licenses or permissions. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:28, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your cooperation Ellin Face-smile.svg,I have sent all necessary details regarding this work through a detailed mail to the OTRS,Even my Personal contact details,including Phone number address and NIC number,but still they haven't replied me.There are few other Photographs in my Uploads which I prefer to have an OTRS ticket.--MediaJet talk 10:37, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Ant.daEdit

Dear Ellin Beltz,

I formally want to complain because you deleted 7 files I uploaded in commons (some of those a year ago) concuring with EugeneZelenko inconsistent deletion proposal.

His motivation was: "Unlikely to be own work: small/inconsistent resolutions, missing EXIF/different cameras."

I explained that I fully respected the offical policy. I personally took some of the picture. I am in a picture as well (of course a different camera was used). I personally got the authorisation for publishing the others. I provided the justification in time when requested. Nobody answered nor contacted me.

Do you think in case of doubt is better to delete? Is this in the spirit of wikipedia?

I do not think so.

If you want people to stop creating and improving voices you are in the very right direction.


--Ant.da (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello Ant.da, I'm really sorry, but you're upset with the wrong person! I'm neither the nominator, nor the admin who deleted the files! At the deletion discussion, please see: Deleted: Please send evidence of permisison to com:OTRS User:Natuur12 (talk) 18:18, 10 April 2014 (UTC) The line below it where I close the form reads: Deleted: Housekeeping, files were deleted by another admin. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC) I found the files removed and the discussion open, so I closed the discussion in much the same way that one person will close a door after another or shut off a lightswitch left on. I'm sorry that you are upset about the files being removed. Did you know there is a COM:UNDEL process for situations where the uploader feels the files were wrongfully removed? With best wishes, Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:23, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Let me awnser the question why they have been deleted. You never stated which photographs are your own work. Those would probably okey. For the other images we don't have any evidence that you indeed have the permission to realease them under a free license. This permission has to be validated via com:OTRS in order for those files to stay. Since it as unclear which files where okey and which not, it is up to you to provide that information according to com:Evidence, I deleted them. It's not up to the closing admin to sort things out. I call them as I see them. There are simply to many deletions request and to less admins to hunt for evidence and that is the uploaders task anyhow. I hope this helps you understand why they have been deleted. Natuur12 (talk) 10:36, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Ok Ellin Beltz, I am not happy with the situation but I can try to understand your point. I am not sure this is the right place to answer to Natuur12. If not please let me know.

Moving to Natuur12, unfortunately I completely disagree with you for the following reasons: 1. Most of the deleted pictures were uploaded last year and nobody complained. What changed though? 2. All the pictures were upload as own work because either I was in the picture or I made the picture and asked the persmission for using those for the regiment wiki page or because there was nobody in the picture as happened for the last I uploaded. 3. I answered to the deletion request in accordance with the current regulation ... did not you note that? 4. And the fact you mentioned above "it as unclear which files where okey and which not" is not a good reason to delete them all. As I asked in the previous link you had to tell me which one is not and the reason! It cannot be up to me to defend myself from a generic and inconsistent charge.

I think that the last picture I uploaded was seen by EugeneZelenko. He noted some pictures I uploaded in the past did not have the rights to be in commons (for a good reason I fully understood) and deleted all the others. Then you approved. I am sorry but this is not professional nor polite with people just trying to providing something for free.

Therefore I would be grateful if you might recover the files and ask me if something about the copyrights is not clear to you or other admin. Thanks in advance for cooperation. --Ant.da (talk) 19:45, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Well it was up to you to prove which files where okey according to com:Evidence. You can disagree with that of course but that doesn't make the closing wrong. Than there is also com:PCP. In this case there was a reasonable doubt that the files are not free since you failed to tell which images are own work and which images need in fact validation via com:OTRS. Than there are some other problems. File File:Arcangelo VIII.JPG is most likely not covered by com:FOP so this file won't be restored anyhow. A good start would be that you provide a list of files which are own work and which files are made by others. And sorry for using your talk page for this Ellin Beltz ;) Natuur12 (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
No worries, gents, it's a good discussion! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:43, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hallo Ellin, warum hast Du mein Bild entfrernt? was stimmte nicht an meinem Bild und wie kriege ich es wieder rein? Bitte um Infos, vielen Dank.--Andre Fahnenbruck (talk) 12:09, 11 April 2014 (UTC) Hello Ellin, why did you (delete?) my picture? what was wrong with my image and how to get it clean again? Info Request, thank you -. Fahnenbruck Andre (talk) 12:09, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Andre Fahnenbruck. The picture File:Josef Bruckmann.jpg was removed for lack of source, so there was no proof that the author or copyright holder agreed to license the file under the given license. There is a system for proving ownership and permissions, it is called "OTRS". Please provide (1) a link to an appropriate webpage with license information and a statement of exactly where the original image was obtained, or (2) send an email with copy of a written permission of the original photographer (not a rephotographer) to OTRS ( Please see [COM:OTRS this page]] for more information on how to confirm permission, and Commons:Permission if you would like to understand why we ask for permission when uploading work that is not your own.
If you have already sent a permission, wait a fortnight for the OTRS volunteers to reply before sending duplicate correspondence. Please do not re-upload the image while you are waiting. When the OTRS-member processes your mail, the file may be undeleted. Additionally you can request undeletion at Commons:Undeletion requests, providing a link to the File-page on Commons which was previously deleted (File:Josef Bruckmann.jpg) and the OTRS number which you will receive if it is approved.
I see from your talk page that there is another of your images nominated for deletion Commons:Deletion requests/File:Portrait.jpg. I suggest taking a look at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Portrait.jpg: First it is a very small image and the upload screen asks for the largest possible. Second it is an old portrait picture, yet the camera used was an iPhone! Notice it says Source Own work. That is not possible for such an old photo to be taken by an iPhone! So please go to that discussion at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Portrait.jpg and explain how you think the image is yours to license freely. Thank you! I do not speak/write German enough to attempt it here, I am sure Google translate will do at least a halfway job on explaining what I am saying here. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:41, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Deleted photosEdit

Mr Beltz,
Many of my images were deleted due to possible copyright violation. I'm new to this and I understand that I didn't put enough information about the source of these images and I want to make it available to you so that they can be restored. How do I do that?
Thank you. --Lecramduaner (talk) 14:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Lecramduaner: To have files restored, go to Commons:Undeletion requests, providing a link to the File-page on Commons which was previously deleted and which you wish restored.
I noticed that one of the remaining two images you have is a picture of a Canadian conductor, so I searched the image on Google and found out that image (original size larger than the one you uploaded) is from a film, from 12 August 1968, see here. At that place is it marked (c) for Copyright. It would appear that the creator of the film is Andréanne Lafond. Even if he had dropped dead the minute the film was released, that's only 46 years ago, not long enough to be out of copyright. I see other links to this image, which refer back to The source you gave was a google search to the picture itself not the webpage from which it originally came. See here. Following the google link leads to which page refers the reader to JournalLePelletier. The JournalLePelletier page provides no licensing information to know if they intend the image to be freely licensed.
Unless you can find a license statement compatible with Wikimedia Commons on the JournalLePelletier page - or obtain OTRS permission from them, I think this image also will have to be removed. Just finding something on a web-search doesn't make it free. I really strongly urge you to re-read the information linked on your talk page about licenses and uploads, especially COM:L. Thank you for taking the time to write, I am sorry that our processes may have confused you, please do not hesitate to ask any more questions. Cheers! (Ms.) Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:56, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer and your explanations. Even if I still have some reading to do, I know a little bit better now. I'll certainly use the undeletion link you provided me, but do I have a time limit? About the Wilfrid Pelletier picture you're talking about, since that image is all over the internet, I thought I could use it but I see I may be wrong. I'll most likely try to find another one. Thanks again. --Lecramduaner (talk) 22:10, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Lecramduaner: I'm not too sure there's a time limit to OTRS something, they're overloaded and behind (as are we all) and perhaps are not in a huge rush to get yours too! If you have an interest in helping us out with images with license problems and copyvios, please let me know, I'd be happy to show you the first steps. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:46, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Deleting Sebastian Achilles 2014Edit

Dear Ellin,

you nominated my picture 'Sebastian Achilles 2014' because you saw some blur effects in it. I'm the Owner of the Copyrights.I prepared the photo for wikipedia and I can garantee that no watersigns or something were removed. Please contact Sebastian Achilles himself via his eMail adress He will confirm that. Please delete your nomination.

Best regards


Dear Bart: It is up to the uploader of the image to provide proper licensing. Please go to the Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sebastian Achilles 2014.jpg and state your ownership of the image. Please don't forget to be logged in and sign your name with four tildes ~~~~ . It is entirely possible that I am completely wrong and have nominated your picture in error. The other admins will make the final decision, in this case I am only the nominator. And a nomination is not the same as a deletion! If you are not the photographer, but you have permission from same, please ask the photographer to follow the instructions at OTRS and when the proper information is received, the file can be restored by you going to COM:UNDEL, providing them with the OTRS ticket number and voila, problem solved. Sincerely, Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:22, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Dear Ellin,

I 'm new to that stuff and I wonder where I have to state my ownership with 4 tildes. When I follow your Link Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sebastian Achilles 2014.jpg, what do I have to do next and where ? Choosing 'edit' behind the link leads me to the source code of your nomination ... could you please give me further instructions ? Thank you very much. regards


Greetings again Bart: I have added some instructions to the nomination of Commons:Deletion requests/File:Sebastian Achilles 2014.jpg. Just go there, click edit, and there's a line of type to guide you where to start. You then explain how this image came to be yours and "sign" with the four tildes. All they do is that the system will then autoadd your signature (if you are signed in). Please be signed into comment on the deletion nomination! I know it's really complicated, but it will all work out in the end. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

undeletion of Commons:Deletion requests/File:Lane Oct 2011.jpgEdit

Hello! I made an unanswered claim to owning the copyright of Commons:Deletion requests/File:Lane Oct 2011.jpg and you deleted it without explanation. Could you please undelete it, provide a rationale for deletion, and give me an opportunity to answer challenges? Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind - Commons:Undeletion_requests#File:Lane_Oct_2011.jpg. Thanks for managing images here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:04, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bluerasberry. I did explain the deletion for a picture nominated 27th of March, it reads "Deleted: Despite being in use, the uploader says it was taken by another and OTRS was not received despite extra time being allowed. Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:42, 14 April 2014 (UTC)" You are correct though, COM:UNDEL is your next step, but they probably will also advise you to file an OTRS ticket which will solve the whole problem. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:26, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Forgive me for failing to understand, but I do not see how that addresses my claim of holding the copyright. I am seeking other comment at Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#Pictures_of_self_taken_by_another. I expect this has come up before and I wanted to read a more full explanation. Thanks for your help - if you felt like explaining in a different way then I would appreciate it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bluerasberry. The fullest explanation I can give you is the same as you find on COM:L, the photographer holds the license to the image. That's pretty much the beginning and the end of this question. The photographer of the image needs to file an OTRS to provide a valid license for your image. As the subject - you can't do it. Proof? Otherwise the paparazzi would go broke for no business - the celebrities would own all the photos and there would no financial incentive to hide in the shrubs for a photo of Kate Middleton's naked torso! So just saying "I had a friend of mine take this picture for me, doesn't give you the copyright to the image. The photographer still retains copyright unless you had a formal, written agreement about it which you can provide to the admins at OTRS, or if your photographer can provide same. This is same message people been saying over and over on this image for a couple weeks now. The answer isn't going to change much, it's part of Commons policy. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. If you wish to talk more you can email me to meet by voice or video or you can meet me at the pump. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:38, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Bluerasberry. I think I've said all I can possibly say on the topic, thanks! No private emails required. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

NASA licensesEdit

Thank you for the comment about the NASA licenses. I didn't realize they had to be replaced. All of the NASA images I uploaded here onto Commons have been fixed. Many thanks! MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:07, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

@MrLinkinPark333 You're so welcome I'm glad you got them all! Face-wink.svg Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Copyrights violationEdit

FYI: It seems like copyright violation. --AntonTalk 09:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:43, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ellin, these upload 1, upload 2 look like copyrights violation or uploaders do not have proper rights. These images are used in The Supreme Group and SupremeSAT companies. Have a look and take appropriate action. Thanks. --AntonTalk 02:09, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Files of Jmozena / OTRS pendingEdit

I had forwarded the appropriate permission email from the copyright owner to OTRS on April 4 and tagged both of these images with {{OTRS pending}} at that time. Shouldn't deletion have been stayed pending an OTRS ticket outcome? Jmozena (talk) 14:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jmozena: Approximately ten days had passed with no further word on these two: File:Northern Guard Supporters Crest.jpg & File:NGS "Fuck Ohio" scarf.jpg. If your OTRS is approved, just go to COM:UNDEL, give them the information and they will restore the file/s! Thanks for your understanding! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

St. Luke's Episcopal Church, AshevilleEdit

Hello, Ellin! I notice you added (then commented out) a historic-sites cat to the church photo that was mentioned on the Help Desk. Please note that I created a category for the building, which should probably be what gets any further categories to do with the site—as opposed to cats relating to characteristics of the individual pictures. It’s already in Buildings of religious function on the National Register of Historic Places in North Carolina, which isn’t broken down into counties (or hasn‘t been yet). I’ve just added the NRHP template for good measure.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 06:40, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Odysseus1479. I added and blanked it because I noticed that the church category also went to the National Historic Register page for that county. It was an *oops*, hence the wipe-out. There was no reason to call your attention to my mistake in categorizing it in both the higher and lower level category simultaneously! So sorry, you are absolutely correct and once I saw your logic in the system; I backed out! Face-smile.svg Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:25, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


Ellin Hello! I thank you that you made the comment about "my collection" of newspapers. I have corrected the problems, I think. The error was not properly understood the instructions. Excuse my poor knowledge of English. Thanks. Magenri

Hi Magenri. Thank you so much for putting correct licenses on all your Reus newspaper images. That is a big help for the project and much appreciated. The deletion request on this one Commons:Deletion requests/File:Reus1973 .jpg was also closed "kept." Face-smile.svg
Les meves disculpes per qualsevol traducció incorrecta, que utilitzen Google Translate! Hola Magreni. Moltes gràcies per posar llicències adequades en totes les seves imatges dels diaris Reus. Aquesta és una gran ajuda per al projecte i molt apreciat. La sol · licitud d'eliminació en aquest cas "Commons:Deletion requests/File:Reus1973 .jpg" també estava tancat "mantenir-se". Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your kindness Ellin Beltz. --Magenri (talk) 18:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Please restore File:Cartel de La salvacion.jpgEdit

Hi Ellin, I'm afraid you've deleted a poster I'd uploaded («File:Cartel de La salvacion.jpg») due to "Copyright violation", but I can asure you that it's an original work of mine and it has GNU Free Documentation License (CC BY-SA 3.0) as you can check at the film's oficial website:

Please notice that two years ago this picture has also been deleted for the same reason but after I proved my authorship King of Hearts restored it on 12:00 28 nov 2012, as you can see at

So I kindly ask you to restore the file. Thanks!

G\. (talk) 00:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi G\.: Well that was a big oops on my part. It's restored. Thank you for your understanding and patient notice to me that I deleted it in error. I will go visit the image and make sure any other administrative tags are off it, etc. Again, thank you for pointing this out and my apologies for the error. Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:10, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Ellin Beltz! G\. (talk) 00:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi again Ellin, sorry to bother you but I've a question and maybe you can help me. Is it possible to do something in order to avoid that the file Cartel de La salvacion.jpg can be erased or nominated for deletion again in the future? Thank you, G\. (talk) 22:47, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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