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December 2014Edit

Dear Ellin, I am quite new with wikipedia and you send me a notification for 3 images that would not be tagged correctly. i can assure you that all were prepared by myself and I am the author of them File:Lettrage client.png and File:Écritures.png were created specifically for the purpose of the wikipedia articles I updated File:SO PlusValue.jpg was created a while ago for an article I wrote in 2011 and was published by finyear, but I am still the owner of the copyright due to the standard agreement I have with the publisher.

Is the fact that I changed my user ID recently (switch from my first name + last name to some cryptic ID, as recommended) a possible explanation ? On the 2 first files, they were still tagged with hold wiki account ID, I changed them. But the last one was uploaded with the new ID ...

Anyhow I am not sure i understand how to upgrade the tags in order not to raise the red flag You help is welcome Best regards --Objet Pourpre Rayé (talk) 22:26, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Objet Pourpre Rayé : Oh gee, I remember when I was new to all this too! We shall work together for the best possible outcome, ok? If I sound tough or mean in typing, be assured it would sound very friendly in voice.
The problem is there is no source of the data. Images claiming to have educational use need to show where the information came from as well as who made it. Otherwise, I could draw any old thing, say it's "Global Economic Data" and put up the image, only to hopelessly confuse a student or future researcher. So the diagrams which show things have to come from somewhere: Was it a book, online? That's the meaning of source... whence came either the image or the data which created it. Hope this helps. Remember there's an COM:UNDEL process so if you feel these were removed wrongly, please make a short statement at UNDEL, including the names of the images.
One other tiny, wee point. We're not Wikipedia over here, but a sibling project called Wikimedia Commons. That means we have different upload rules than the other projects - for Commons, images have to be provably open permission with known sources. The various "-pedias" may have lesser standards for images. Cheers. Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:47, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
PS, just sign four ~~~~ "tildes" to sign your name.

A barnstar for you!Edit

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You are so helpful! C T Johansson (talk) 21:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

File:Myo Zaw Aung.jpgEdit

Dear Ellin Beltz, I have noticed that you deleted the photo Myo Zaw Aung.jpg. I am comparably new to Wikipedia, but I have been trying to write wikipedia articles about living persons and remarkable places in Myanmar. I personally asked Myo Zaw Aung for his picture and he gave me the photo taken at his A2ELP workshop. I noticed that the same photo is on flicker, but he said he has the same file and allowed me to use his picture. Can you undelete the picture or should I take his own picture? What do you suggest?

Hi King Quaser : The summary I typed on this image read "copyvio|1= cut from image which is marked "all rights reserved." You had put source = own and author King Quaser, which are not correct because the image is from flickr, marked "all rights reserved." The photographer of the image would have to file a COM:OTRS and have it accepted for this image to possibly be restored. Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:41, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Corrida Andalou.pngEdit

My office is mandated with full power by the Heir of the deceased painter Aloys OHLMANN for communication. As the owner of drawings, watercolors, engravings, prints , paintings , sculptures Aloys OHLMANN , we claim the right to broadcast on the Internet. This is why the demand for withdrawal of Indian ink " CORRIDA ANDALOU " from the collection "CORRIDA DE TORO" is moot. Finally, I confime the date of death of the painter Aloys OHLMANN is 16 September 2013 .

@User talk:LOUCHETFranck, regarding Commons:Deletion requests/File:Corrida Andalou.png please reply at that page, and file appropriate paperwork with COM:OTRS. I would point out that when you uploaded it, you made a different claim, that of own work. The two are contradictory. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Removing of the File "bird photographs" from wikicommonsEdit

I have copyright regarding your Deletion requests: Hello @EugeneZelenko, I have received your deletion requests at the below URL. Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Toumoto The all photos are mine, and I'm making them on public with appropriate licensing scheme. For obtaining the permission to show on wikimedia, I'm sending an email to with a link on my domain space. [1] Please do not delete those listed photos, and necessary processes are ongoing. Thanks, OPi.Toumoto

@Toumoto: The problem was that since the website said "c" you can't then hand an open licence to Commons. This is to protect the creator's rights. Otherwise anyone could make a name for Commons account and then upload all the photos from a website and claim to be same person. Just file with COM:OTRS and once they accept your email, they may restore the images with no further work on your part. The editors at OTRS are very experienced and will help you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:48, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, just to let you (and EugeneZelenko) know: despite the fact that the website was mentioned in the "Source" field on the files listed at Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Toumoto, these pictures don't seem to be copied from the website (at least I could find no "original" for these on their website). Instead, it looks like the intension was to ask reusers to use that attribution. The uploader sent us from the domain email address and I added tags to be on the safe side, but I honestly feel this added unnecessary work both to OTRS agents and the uploader. Simply asking the uploader might have been a better option in this case. whym (talk) 08:42, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi whym : I'm glad it worked out that Toumoto was indeed the creator of the images and wished them to be on Commons. So often it is the case that uploaders take copyrighted images and try to pass them off as their own; that it is truly gratifying to see a situation where this was not the case. My apologies if you feel your time was wasted; I try to assume good faith of all other editors here and regard the people who really waste our time as the uploaders of copyrighted images. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:40, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate listEdit

Hi Ellin Beltz, I removed a list here, because it was a duplicate. A hug wrong recipient, forgive me --Wilfredo R. Rodríguez H. (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Toy robot.JPGEdit

I completely do not understand your closing comment here -- or your closing this as a keep.

Unless someone can show that its copyright has expired, the work shown in the image plainly has a copyright as a sculpture. The fact that you can't find a toy robot that looks like it is completely irrelevant.

Perhaps you misunderstand the status of toys. Toys do not have a copyright as toys -- the copyright law does not mention toys. Toys have copyrights as sculptures. It does not matter what this is, toy, robot, or just a sculpture, the fact that it is a work of sculpture makes it copyrightable.

So, as I said in my nomination, the image infringes on the copyright belonging to the creator of the object portrayed and we will need a license from its creator if we want to keep the photograph of it.

I would appreciate it if you would think about this, and either reopen the DR or explain your reasoning here more fully. From my point of view, this is so obvious that I would delete it on sight except for the fact that we don't {{speedy}} DWs. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 02:32, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

After a lot more looking through the Commons Category (536 images) named Category:Tin toy robots, I find this toy to be a "replica Atomic Robot Man" with the mention of "Schylling", perhaps a toy company? There are 23 images which are similar to this one, some are painted and others are plain. I totally accept your statement that the toy has copyright, and all I can say about the kept is "oops." I'll reopen the DR; you're right. Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
See Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Toy_robot.JPG. Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:45, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Aha -- thanks. I didn't understand that you thought that the image and the object might both be the work of the uploader. That's not unreasonable, although as a general rule if I see an "own work" image of a copyrighted work, I assume that "own work" covers only the image and the object is the creation of another person unless the description explicitly says that the artist and the photographer are the same. Ninety percent of the time I'm right and the other ten percent the creator says so in the DR, so no harm, no foul. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 13:50, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Logomarca do NOVO.pngEdit

Hello. Just a few words about your closure of this deletion request. Your justification is "No statement of free use on source page." I am not really opposed to the deletion, but your justification is irrelevant imho. If the logo is below the TOO, there is no need of any statement of free use on the source page. The image would be copyright-free because it is too simple to be copyrighted. Best regards, BrightRaven (talk) 09:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi BrightRaven  : As an artist, I felt that the mirroring of the gradationally shaded and colored letters showed that this image wasn't just created from fonts; the removal of dark tones and gradational shading and fading of the background were not an accident, and the (c) on the source page made it clear that logo likely is not considered free by the person who created it. As a creator, I'm very interested in creator's rights - hence the number of nominations I put forward to protect the art in the background and living artists. There was no discussion on that nomination so there is no way to know what the community thought, TOO or notTOO. It's entirely possible that had the entire discussion hinged on TOO rather than the user's claim of own work and the image being found on a (c) website - that the outcome would have been different. And PS, I'm not emotionally hung up on about 99% of the deletes I do - merely as part of the system. If you wish to reopen this one at COM:UNDEL, I won't oppose it. Thank you for everything you do on Commons and please never hesitate to disagree with me at any time. It's the net result of all our best efforts which ultimately improve the project. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer. As stated above, I do not care much about this logo either, but I think this kind of DR should be closed by making reference to the threshold (and if possible the threshold in the country of origin and in the US). I know that closing DR's is a burden, so I thank you nevertheless for closing them. Best regards, BrightRaven (talk) 16:30, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Benedict Wydooghe.jpgEdit

Hi, could you please hit the delete button? The file is stll there. Thank you for your work :). Regards, Natuur12 (talk) 15:06, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

@Natuur12 Done! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:32, 20 December 2014 (UTC)