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October 2014Edit

Take your timeEdit

  • My condolences to you and your family at this difficult time. Please take your time and don't feel you have to hurry back to editing. Green Giant (talk) 17:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • :( My condolences to you and your family. --Steinsplitter (talk) 17:26, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
  • I just noticed on top of your page. Very sad, my condolences. -- Tuválkin 19:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

New issueEdit

Hi, how can you delete media File:JIIT-Library.jpg when a discussion is ongoing. You did not read the talk page before deleting it. The original message I were posted there: The link ( you have mentioned that file is copied is illegitimate. The contents on this websites is copied from Wikipedia Article en:Jaypee Institute of Information Technology. Moreover, you should also check time stamp of the file when it was uploaded on Wikipedia. If somebody is putting media on this personal blog then there is also a possibility that person copied media from Wikipedia just to get more visitors. What is the person credibility that the media is his own work? For example, I can create my own blog too and then will render all the Wikipedia media on my blog. Will the media on Wikipedia violate copyright law? No, it will not. Do you think so? If you still think that this file is violating copyright law, then probably you should do more google for another media and then do a reverse engineering to search the media on Wikipedia commons and put a speedy deletion tag to it. Thanks!

Second issue with media File:JIIT-OAT.jpg You have deleted the media without reading the talk page. The original message I were posted there: The link ( you have mentioned that file is copied is illegitimate. The contents on this websites is rendered from Wikipedia Article en:Jaypee Institute of Information Technology. If you google then you will find several websites of this kind. If you still think that this file is violating copyright law, then probably you should check another articles on the same website ( and you should also but a speedy deletion tag to all the media you will find there.

Third issue with the media File:Academic_corr2_JIIT.JPG. What is the credibility that the website created the media? It's also possible that they have copied the image for Wikipedia. There are no time stamp information about the media on the website

If you are an administrator on Wikipedia that does not mean that every time you are right. Thanks! Chu86happychu 15:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Chu86happychu: I'm operating under the systems and processes put in place by Wikimedia Commons. The images which I deleted this morning had been placed for speedy deletion by another and so I looked at your file list to see what else you had uploaded. You seem to be confused on at least one point: There is no discussion time on speedy deletes. Regular deletion nominations have a week and discussion, clear COM:COPYVIOs are removed immediately. I nominated a couple more of your images for deletion process, which is not the same as having deleted them. There is a week available for you to comment on the deletion nominations, the links are on your talk page. Please leave your messages about them on the project page links provided on your talk page. To speak to some of your special concerns: We do check the dates of upload versus the dates of publication on outside pages. If you feel these files have been deleted in error, please go to COM:UNDEL and state your case with a different administrator, that way there will be no bias or conflict of interest. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

hello Ellin, thank you for the message sorry about your the loss in your family.

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More club crests to check/deleteEdit

Hi, could you take a look at contributions of this editor? Loads of uploads, loads of templates on discussion page... Ta. Lukasz Lukomski (talk) 16:27, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Lukasz Lukomski, I have started to nominate some of the images, please see Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Emiaya. There are probably other images in that gallery which are problemattic, I have noted them for my to do page as I am out of time today. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:46, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Two speedily deleted logosEdit

Hi Ellin Beltz, yesterday you deleted two logos, File:Houben-Elektro-Akustik, HEA - Firmenlogo 1.jpg and File:Houben-Elektro-Akustik, HEA - Firmenlogo 2.jpg, both speedily on the ground of a supposed copyright violation. Both were wrongly tagged with {{cc-by-sa-3.0-at}} and the uploader named himself as author. This is irritating but a common mistake by users who are used to upload their own photographs but occasionally upload something different, like a logo. Both logos consist of letters and a diamond as a simple geometric figure. These are the logos of an Austrian company, thereby Austrian laws applies. As you can see at de:Schöpfungshöhe#Österreich, Austria requires a minimum threshold of originality for works to be eligible for copyright. In particular, they must be recognizable as piece of art which is significantly different from other works of art. Such an individual expression is, however, not to be found in these two logos. Regular Grotesk typefaces and simple geometric figures (diamonds and rectangles) are used with just one foreground color. In summary, I do not think that a deletion was justified and I ask you to undelete these two logos. I would fix the license templates afterwards, i.e. {{PD-textlogo}} would apply. Kind regards, AFBorchert (talk) 08:21, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi AFBorchert: With apologies... someone uploading the work of another and claim it as own is very common behavior on Commons. These sorts of files are sent for speedy deletion all the time. I think I deleted several hundred of the type recently including one of Mickey Mouse with an own work tag and a PD-self license. And while theses two files may be Austrian logos, the servers for Commons are in the U.S. and so Commons rules need to be followed in addition to the rules of all the countries. I'd suggest going to COM:UNDEL where I won't argue for or against and you will get a second opinion. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:33, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!Edit

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg Just a thank you for prodding me towards applying for the mop and bucket. Green Giant (talk) 00:18, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Green Giant! Next step the vacuum cleaner & windex, right? Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:42, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


I'm so sorry to hear of your loss Ellin. I have no fear of death myself, but I dread such losses of loved ones more than anything. My thoughts are with you and your family. Don't worry about Commons; I can handle questions posted here if needed. They won't find me as nice and patient as you, but I'll try to be as gentle as I'm capable of being... Anyways, you've always struck me as a pretty tough chick, so I won't get too mushy here. Just know that I care, and I feel for you. INeverCry 01:03, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you INeverCry. I am really grateful for everyone's good wishes, most particularly yours since you talked me into the mop and bucket in February. I think it will take a while to get back to full ordinary life, but the closing details are almost done. I did finally sleep for 12 hours last night after a week of having to be up for everyone else it was a good thing to just crash for me for a while. I have been poking the edges of Commons when I had a signal as something "normal" to do, spent some time categorizing images, uploaded a couple and so on. Commons is good for me after a long day of relatives, trust me! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:45, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


We do not know much, but I think it is important to express you my sorrow for your loss. It is not possible to know the great pain that feels unless you are in a similar situation. Maybe it's time to forget the computer for a while and focus on sharing with your loved ones. There's no doubt suffering that overwhelms you is something I always smash for the rest of your life. I want to feel you can count on my support, a hug. --Wilfredo R. Rodríguez H. (talk) 12:26, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Wilfredo R. Rodríguez H.!! I have been spending piles of time with loved ones, and - truth be told - Commons right now is an escape from some of the details of the situation, which are almost finished. I thank you so much for your support and your hug!! Really appreciated, Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:47, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

re helpEdit

Dear Ellin,

My sympathies to yourself and family.

I wrote asking help, if you would, in regard to posting a page for "Funtasy Island" on Wikipedia. No the spelling is correct. Search and it comes up with good old Fantasy Island.

Funtasy is a group of three Indonesian Islands, just off Batam.

They are being developed as 500 villa resort, with Eco Theme Park and many resort facilities.

It is a 40 minute ferry ride from Singapore.

Could you please help me to , or explain slowly, how I could ad a page.

Many thanks,

Ron Egerton.

re helpEdit

Dear Ellin,

My sympathies to yourself and family.

I wrote asking help, if you would, in regard to posting a page for "Funtasy Island" on Wikipedia. No the spelling is correct. Search and it comes up with good old Fantasy Island.

Funtasy is a group of three Indonesian Islands, just off Batam.

They are being developed as 500 villa resort, with Eco Theme Park and many resort facilities.

It is a 40 minute ferry ride from Singapore.

Could you please help me to , or explain slowly, how I could ad a page.

Many thanks,

Ron Egerton.

Hi Ron: I'm not the person to talk to about the ins-and-outs of adding pages, but let me point you in the direction of (Help:Contents) for Wikimedia Commons and for Wikipedia. On both you'll find links to how to get started tutorials on your talk pages on both projects. Remember all photos you upload to Commons must be your own work - own photo, not a rephotograph of some book or brochure, and neither Wikipedia nor Commons are to be used for promotion, self-promotion or social media purposes. Personally, I'd suggest putting the information on {{w:https:Batam}} as a subsection. Experienced editors familiar with your area will immediately pounce out of the woodwork (some may be cranky, beware!) but they will help you get your information - and citations - in the right place after they understand you're not there for social or promotional purposes. Sounds like an interesting project and probably (no guarantees, I'm not an expert WikiPedian) very interesting addition. Sorry to not be more precise help, let me know if I can point you in any other directions? Don't forget to sign your name with four ~~~~ tildas it makes it a lot easier to click back on your name and write back. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


I'm a bit confused. Did you know, what Pd-old means? This means, we KNOW, the artist is dead since at least 70 years. This means, an image that was made in 1947 never, never, NEVER EVER can be in the Public Domain because ao age as for exaample stated here. No image inthe worls could this, that was made after 1943. 1947 is after 1943! So why do you think, you can take away the speedy deletion request? Nearly the same with the images File:Würenlingen, Altersheim.jpg and File:Würenlingen, um 1936.jpg. The Uploader must give the proof, the image is free. As long he can't do this - and not knowing an photographer of an image from the 1930s is such a moment - images must be deleted at Commons. This is not a wish. Or a request. Or a recommendation. This is a must. If you don't do your job and delete these images, please don't take out the deletion requests and let other Admins do the work. Marcus Cyron (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi Marcus Cyron: These three images were converted to Deletion Nominations for assistance from the community of editors/admins for the age and whether they could be kept or not. They will certainly be deleted seven days hence if nothing further is learned about their provenance. I think I'm doing my job and holding up my corner of the Admin mop, tysvm. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:51, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

File:Misty Copeland's Firebird cover.jpgEdit

Hi Ellin Beltz, concerning en:Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2014_September_25#Deleted_OTRS_submission. Please restore File:Misty Copeland's Firebird cover.jpg. It has been released under CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GNU Free Documentation Licenses. The permission can be found in OTRS Ticket:2014081710007206. I will add the OTRS permission once the image is restored. All the best, Taketa (talk) 07:00, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

✓ Done INeverCry 07:07, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, Taketa (talk) 07:14, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

deletion of photograph john_boyd.jpgEdit

The photograph john_boyd.jpg is my photograph as can be seen here: (John Boyd MBE. Beauchamp Place London. Garry Rigby © 2014.) I am writing the article on John Boyd Milliner and I uploaded the photograph. Regard Garry rigby

Hi Indigojones666. I'm a bit confused here. The image File:John boyd.jpg is clearly labeled copyright at the source page ( to "Garry Rigby" but was marked here on Commons as own work of Indigojones666 with a release of copyright. Since this image was the only upload from this account, and the account name has no apparent bearing on the name of the photographer, and the source file is marked copyright in a couple of different places, I think perhaps the best thing for you to do is to go to COM:OTRS and fill in their simple email form. When accepted by the OTRS staff, the image can be restored. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:40, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Concerning your nomination for deletion: I added preciser origin indications. I got a few glass plates and paper enlargments from persons, to whom they were given from Ernest de Ganay himself. These photographes were commissioned by Ernest de Ganay himself, the photographer is unknown. Ernest de Ganay seemed to have acquired the copyright, otherwise he wouldn't have had the glass plates, that were given to me, in his possession! Illustrating the beginning of the french wikipedia article to honor Ernest de Ganay is in the sense of the persons that gave me the photographs. And: the house in the background is my property.

So: please don't delete!

Imágenes borradasEdit

Hola Ellin, no entiendo el porque fueron borradas las imágenes Gilberto_Smith_Duquesne.jpg y Gilberto_Smith_Duquesne_1.png , según usted por Violación de Copyright y estas imágenes fueron tiradas y donadas por Raúl G. Smith Mesa, hijo de Gilberto Smith Duquesne para el artículo Gilberto Smith. Él la dono para que las personas pudieran copiarla y utilizarla libremente por lo cual la hace una imagen CC. Mi pregunta es: ¿El estado de Copyright lo da el creador de la fotografía o los moderadores dueños de Wikipedia?

Saludos, (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Translation: Hello Ellin not understand why were erased and Gilberto_Smith_Duquesne_1.png Gilberto_Smith_Duquesne.jpg images as you by Violation of Copyright and these images were shot and donated by Raul G. Smith Mesa, son of Gilberto Smith Duquesne to Article Gilberto Smith. He donated so that people could freely copied and used which makes it a CC image. My question is: Copyright status is given by the creator of the photograph owners or moderators of Wikipedia? Regards,

Hola En este caso los derechos de autor pertenecería a la persona que realmente tomó la fotografía. De lo que usted escribió que parece haber Raul G. Smith Mesa. Debido a que la persona que ha subido estas fotografías no era la misma persona que el fotógrafo, los permisos dados por los derechos de autor eran insuficientes.
Por ejemplo: María toma una foto y se la da a Marco que carga a Commons. La imagen será borrada o nominada para ser eliminado, porque Marco no tiene derecho al trabajo de María.
La solución al problema real sería para usted y el señor Mesa a que visite la COM: OTRS página y rellenar su formulario de verificación de correo electrónico. Después de que haya procesado y aceptado las admininistrators OTRS restaurar el archivo / s. Saludos, Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:05, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Translation: :Hi In this case the copyright would belong to the person who actually took the photograph. From what you wrote that would appear to be Raul G. Smith Mesa. Because the person who uploaded these photographs was not the same person as the photographer, the permissions given for the copyrights were insufficient.
For example: Maria takes a photo and gives it to Marco who uploads it to Commons. The picture will be deleted or nominated for deletion because Marco has no rights to Maria's work.
The solution to the real problem would be for you and Mr. Mesa to visit the COM:OTRS page and fill in their email verification form. After that is processed and accepted the OTRS admininistrators restore the file/s. Cheers! Ellin

Hola Ellin, entiendo el punto de vista que expones, la cuestión es que nosotros vivimos en un Cuba, un país bloqueado económicamente, comercial y financieramente por los Estados Unidos desde hace 50 años, el cual impide acceder a muchas de las tecnologías, entre ellas Internet, por lo cual acá no todos tienen acceso a ellas, por ello el autor de las fotografías Raul G. Smith Mesa, a la cual conozco personalmente, me las entregó para compartirlas con la comunidad de Wikipedia. Ya entiendo porque no existen muchas fotografías de Cuba, si se aplica ese punto de vista, nunca tendrán fotos cubanas. Ya que uno de los principios de Wikipedia es el Principio de buena fe. Disculpe las molestias ocasionadas. Saludos, (talk) 14:56, 14 October 2014 (UTC) Translation: Hello Ellin, I understand the point of view that you expose, the issue is that we live in a Cuba, a country economically blockaded, commercially and financially by the United States for 50 years, which prevents access to many technologies, including Internet, so here not everyone has access to them, so the author of the photographs Raul G. Smith Mesa, whom I know personally, he gave me to share with the community of Wikipedia. I get it because there are many photographs of Cuba, if that view is applied, will never have Cuba photos. Since one of the principles of Wikipedia is the principle of good faith. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Hola Es mi entendimiento de que el COM: OTRS proceso permite que las formas de OTRS para ser enviadas por correo. Sí, el servicio de correo directo entre los dos países ha sido un problema durante el último medio siglo. Sin embargo sé que es posible enviar correo a través de amigos en el exterior - no directamente. Entiendo personalmente su punto acerca de COM: AGF, pero esta página no es el lugar para discutir sobre estas fotos. Las reglas de Wikimedia Commons, con sede en los EE.UU., se enumeran en COM: L y como lo siento yo a estas circunstancias personales, no puedo cambiar las reglas de Wikimedia Commons. Por favor, ponga sus comentarios en la página de Nominación borrado, alguien con más experiencia que yo pueda tener una manera de ayudarle - pero sólo si usted trabaja a través del proceso y escribir en la página de nominación eliminación, y no en esta página. Escribir aquí no va a ayudar! ¡Salud! Ellin Beltz (talk) 04:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Translation: It is my understanding that the COM:OTRS process permits the OTRS forms to be mailed. Yes, direct mail service between the two countries has been a problem for the past half century. However I know it is possible to send mail through friends overseas - not directly. I personally understand your point about COM:AGF, but this page is not the place to argue about these pictures. The rules of Wikimedia Commons, based in the US, are listed on COM:L and as sorry as I am to these personal circumstances, I cannot change the rules of Wikimedia Commons. Please put your comments on the Deletion Nomination page, someone more experienced than myself may have a way to assist you - but only if you work through the process and write on the deletion nomination page, and not on this page. Writing here won't help! Cheers!


Dear Ellin:

I write you en name of Plaza Nueva Idazleak (ALPNI). I am the secretary of this association of writers sited in Bilbao. ALPNI has organised the "Certamen internacional Bilbao Aste Nagusia de Relato" since 2013 and the photograph you discuss belongs to the cover of "Historias de Bilbao en fiestas", book edited by our association with the best stories presented at the event. The cover is designed by us yearly, so we are the owners of this design. ALPNI has the copyright of this book, contents and cover. Under the image, the text explain the origin of this photo, but is possible that the translate to english difficult the mean. Sorry for my bad English. I hope that my explain will you understand the mean of this image and ensure the origin. Best Regards: Jim Bilbao (Wikipedia user).

Hi JIM BILBAO: It would be best if you presented your arguments on the Deletion Nomination form instead of on my talk page. Nothing said here influences the Deletion Nomination discussion. I will note on that page your message from here as it is possible the process is not clear. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:00, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Restoring imagesEdit

Hi, I was looking at my father's wikipedia page, and saw that you deleted all of the images. All of the images were family photos that I uploaded. As far as I was able to tell, I uploaded the photos properly. I just went to add the photos again and it's preventing me from uploading them because of your deletions. Is there a way to restore the photos? Thanks, Treblamah

Hi Treblamah: What you describe "family photos I uploaded" is indeed the problem. Who actually took the photos is the issue. Just having a photo in a family album doesn't mean the owner of the album owns the copyright of the photograph. And yes, trying to reupload the same images again is quite frowned on here. There are processes including COM:OTRS and COM:UNDEL to which you can take your request for photo restoration. The removed file names are:

I am leaving a talkback tag on your page and also sending you a "please reply on Wikimedia Commons" reply to your email of this morning. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:54, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding my flagEdit

Dear admin, I have now added a simple licence and source to my flag. It is indeed my own work, and that is exactly what it is. I have made the image myself, and I grant everyone the right to use it, now if there is still something wrong with the system I'd appreciate if you see that it is fixed (such as any nasty warning messages) You see, I care for my flag, and don't want it to be disrespected in any way, even deletion, an artist cares for their creation you see. Thank you very much.

- A good friend