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User talk:Ellin Beltz

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February 2015Edit

-- see archives for earlier correspondence - please leave messages at bottom of this page.

Climate EngineeringEdit

Dear Ellin, I did'nt understand how this page really works, but I´m really the author of the images graphic_ce_kiel_earth_institute. Please do not delete them again! We are a german institute and I'm working here as a graphic designer. We will be happy, if the pictures are contributed on wiki commons!

Hi Climart: I'd suggest going to the OTRS page and submitting their form; the OTRS editors are very experienced and can help you. If they give you an OTRS number, then you can use that on your images and they'll be safe from poky-fingered deletion editors. Hope this helps! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anton Giulio Majano e Alberto Lupo.jpgEdit

Hi Ellin, I guess you did a mistake. Pre-1976 non-artistic photographs taken in Italy with no copyright notice are in PD also in the USA per URAA PD-1996 (their copyright expires on 1 January of the 21st year after first publishing in Italy). -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 08:41, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Blackcat: The image was deleted by INC, perhaps talk to him about an undelete? I only nominated it and yes it's possible to make mistakes in nominations, that's why the nominating editor is not usually the deleting editor as well. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

1955 Photo File:Paul Marstrand.jpgEdit

Dear Ellin Beltz. Here's what I just wrote on the request page in reply to your note on my photo upload. Hope this clarifies things & that you can help:

"The original even dates from 1955, to be exact (subject's 60-year birthday). It's an old family photograph I've inherited (subject is my grandfather; I was surprised a few days ago to find a rather substantial Danish WP article on him).

Here is what I wrote previously about the photo, then deleted not to confuse things:

"Own adaptive work on 1955 photo, the copyright of which expired in 2005 for Denmark (non-artistic photos of persons, 50 years after production) & in 1983 for US (work dating before 1964 = 28 years after production/publication)."

Even the first upload you refer to was already heavily "photoshopped" - background, light, &c. But I'm a novice in all this (photos & Commons, not WP as such), & later the evening improved it further - light, resolution, &c. In any case, as I've understood the copyright rules (very complicated & which I studied for hours before & after upload) photo is long since public domain in both Denmark & US, & yes, as such I do emphatically consider the present upload my own work, & stand by that claim.

Please let me know, however, if I've made a mistake. --Nielspeterqm (talk) 14:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC) (See also Nielspeterqm)"

HiNeilspeterqm: You replied at the deletion nomination which is the right thing to do. Now we wait for another administrator to reply and / or react to the nomination. Thank you for understanding this is a process, not a judgement! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to refer to the file in question. It's: File:Paul Marstrand.jpg. Sincerely, --Nielspeterqm (talk) 14:51, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

No worries, hon, by clicking on your talk page link, I got to the automatic notice that the system posts on your talk page! Thank you for coming back to help out!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
"A process, not a judgement"... As life itself, in other words :-) Thanks for the reply, I'll keep my fingers crossed. Sincerely, --Nielspeterqm (talk) 01:41, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

File:JC-512Transparent.png DeletedEdit

Hello Ellin, I am new to all of this wiki stuff. and Everything I have done to date has been deleted. Even using the article templates and following the image upload criteria. ughh... so frustrating. The picture that was removed, is mine. It was taken by me, edited by me and uploaded by me. No one but me had the image rights to use or publish until I okayed it to be shared on social media and Wiki. It is in the public domain, too. Am I missing something? JChandanais (talk) 14:49, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi JChandanais : The problem was, that the head-shot you uploaded was cut from some other picture and was sourced

"=={{int:filedesc}}=={{Information|description={{en|1=Headshot of Jeremy 'JC' Chandanais; founder of WBTM ™ Production Network.}}|date=2015/02/20|source={{own}}|author=[[User:JChandanais|JChandanais]]|permission=|other versions=}} Photo Credit: <a href="">Jeremy Chandanais</a>"

The image however didn't appear on that website. There was no metadata from a camera showing own work. There was no way to find it "in the public domain" without a source, because it's impossible to know if the license is correct. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:29, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: Commons:Deletion requests/File:LucyHanna.tifEdit

Hi Ellin Beltz, I requested the File:LucyHanna.tif as this artist is on our list of entries to edit in the upcoming arts+feminism edit-a-thon. I'm new to Wikipedia and the Commons and am a bit unclear as to the reason for the Deletion request. It looks like there is another image of Lucy Hanna already in the Commons that I didn't find, is that correct? Thanks Circa73 (talk) 17:49, 3 March 2015 (UTC)Circa73

Hi Circa73: I nominated that page because it contains two images of the same person "Two page pdf of same image, out of COM:SCOPE, unused." I find the essentially same image on the artist's own website. Is that where you got it? Cheers. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:38, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ellin Beltz Aha! So it's too similar to a picture from the website which is listed in the external links? No, I didn't get the image off Lucy Hanna's website. I emailed her to request that she upload an image that I could use to improve her entry, and LucyHanna.tif is the one she uploaded. Hmm...not sure how to proceed. Should I request a different image, specifying that it not be one she used on her website? Or perhaps an image of her work, rather than of her? Circa73 (talk) 22:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)Circa73

Hi Circe, The problem is that photo has already been published on a website and Commons has no way to know who the uploader actually is in real life. Fans commonly assume the name of photo subjects and upload. The photo also is a two-page document, there's no reason to have two of same picture. We'd need a better quality (not duplicated) image and an OTRS release if she uploads one which has been previously published. Ellin Beltz (talk)

Thanks for your help Ellin Beltz. I will request that Lucy Hanna upload an unpublished photograph of better quality, that is not a two-page document. Or, if she can only provide a published photograph, that she provide a OTRS release with it.Circa73 (talk) 23:48, 3 March 2015 (UTC)Circa73

DELETION REQUEST Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by ArnoldjohnbEdit


Hi Arnoldjohnb: "At my behest... therefore personal property" is an argument to leave on the deletion nomination page Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Arnoldjohnb. Anything you write on this page doesn't have any effect on deletions. Please don't forget to sign your name by typing four tildes ~~~~ when you reply over there. Thanks. Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

File:Paul Marstrand.jpg (again)Edit

Dear Jahoe & Ellin Beltz

I have done further digging (tags & all) which confirm my initial claim: The photo *is* unquestionably public domain, in both DK ({PD-Denmark50) & US ({PD-1996}). Please see the full tags & my reply on the nomination page. As I've said I'm relatively inexperienced with this, but believe the photo should be kept. Naturally I don't care a whit whether it's as "own work-CC" or "PD", as long at it's freely available. I also apologize for any possible error in uploading it under the former status, but this was the first photo I ever uploaded (on WP commons), & I must say I had never imagined it would cause such a stir!

What would you recommend is now the correct (& appropriate) course? Should the photo (now it's going through a nomination process) be deleted, then possibly re-uploaded with the correct tags & text, or would it be sufficient (& correct - I don't want to do anything wrong anymore!!) to edit the file, affix the correct tags, & stop the process/withdraw the nomination?

Thanks infinitely for any help you can bring in this.

Sincerely, --Nielspeterqm (talk) 13:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I don’t think it’s at all inappropriate to edit a file under discussion, as long as you don’t remove any warning or deletion templates. Just leave a note at the nomination page once you’ve done so. (IMO there’s no problem claiming credit for your retouching & adjusting work, but it doesn’t accrue copyright—at least not under US law or Commons policy—or make the picture your own, which latter seems to me to be the main point at issue. At any rate, please don’t take the criticism personally. There are so many hoaxers and deliberate copyviolators around here that some people get cynical, but good-faith contributions with a collaborative attitude are generally welcomed.)—Odysseus1479 (talk) 04:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Please stopEdit

Please stop nominating things for deletion that are in scope as being used on a sister website to this project, namely, Wikisource.

Thank you,

-- Cirt (talk) 02:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cirt: Please see Commons scope and statement on excluded educational content. You can upload the images to the relevant project, they are outside of COM:SCOPE. Thank you! Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi User:Ellin Beltz: Please see COM:INUSE, specifically, "A media file that is in use on one of the other projects of the Wikimedia Foundation is considered automatically to be useful for an educational purpose, as is a file in use for some operational reason such as within a template or the like. Such a file is not liable to deletion simply because it may be of poor quality: if it is in use, that is enough." Thank you! -- Cirt (talk) 02:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Cirt:You need to leave your comments at the deletion page, duplicating them here won't help/hurt the nominations. Don't be upset at the process; it only makes all the projects better. Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:00, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Ellin Beltz -- Please note that Wikisource commonly uploads files here to Commons, as a way of verifying the texts located at Wikisource. Your behavior is disruptive to that sister site and to this site. Please stop. Thank you! -- Cirt (talk) 03:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Cirt: Do let the nomination process take place and all the admins will have an opportunity to comment on it. I don't believe that my behavior is disruptive and I would appreciate it if you would take the time to reply to the nominations on those pages and not add more here. There is no need in the project for additional and unnecessary drama. Thank you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:04, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hi Ellin Beltz: Please see Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems#Disruptive_and_frivolous_deletion_nominations_by_Ellin_Beltz. Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 03:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Sure thing, have fun! Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:28, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Update: Both pages were "Speedily Kept". Please be more mindful of COM:INUSE in the future. Thank you! -- Cirt (talk) 17:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Cirt Please cool it with the lecturing. You have made your point...on multiple DRs, noticeboards, user talk pages, and even multiple projects. Enough. -Pete F (talk) 18:34, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Peteforsyth Thank you for acknowledging that I've made my point, to you. I hope that I've also made my point, to Ellin Beltz. Have a great day, -- Cirt (talk) 20:27, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Cirt Thank you for acknowledging my acknowledgment. I hope that sooner or later, I can stop staring through my fingers at this utterly unnecessary campaign of personal criticism, and get back to work. -Pete F (talk) 20:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Peteforsyth Sorry you feel that way, was not my intent. -- Cirt (talk) 20:42, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

re: File:Code Geass Lelouch Of The Rebellion DVD Ita.jpgEdit

(I apologize for my bad english)
Hello, the file in object is a cropped version from this file. I used the template {{PD-textlogo}} because the new file contains only text and japanese characters; in Commons exixt many files similar, and I supposed that I could load this file. If I'm wrong, pleas delete the file. Thank you very much. --Bradipo Lento (talk) 07:09, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bradipo Lento :
I converted the "no permission tag" to a "deletion nomination" instead. This is not a judgement on what you said, but a way to get consensus from the community on the status of the image. Please leave your reply Commons:Deletion requests/File:Code Geass Lelouch Of The Rebellion DVD Ita.jpg at that nomination as you have it above and we'll see what comes out. Thank you for understanding this is a process, not a reflection on you or your contributions to the project. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of image File:Bernstein_Michail.jpgEdit

Hi, it't scanned fotoportrait from family archive. I'm son of Michail Bernstein. Nobody other person & never can has copyright for this photo. Regards, Viktor Bernstein Vilnius, Lithuania unsigned by User:Vicmic1954

Hi Vicmic1954: Please leave your comment at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bernstein Michail.jpg. Owning a print or a copy of a print is not the same thing as owning the copyright to the original image - that belongs to the photographer. This image is labeled own work. Please see COM:L for more information on Commons licensing and copyrights. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:59, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Deletion of image File:MFBTY performing at Kollaboration Star 2013.jpgEdit

How is it a copyright information when I'M THE ONE WHO TOOK THE PHOTO AND I WORK FOR THE ARTIST? I'm seeing a pattern here in your talk of people having their photos removed even though they photographed it themselves. Yes, I already appealed to commons, but there has to be a different way than to blatantly remove photos and accuse us of copyright infringement when in reality we really might have the rights to them! We put work into building these pages, only to have our work wrongfully taken down! --Drunkencamp (talk) 19:22, 6 March 2015 (UTC)DrunkenCamp

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