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A hundred thousand elephants,
A hundred thousand horses,
A hundred thousand mule-drawn chariots,
Are not worth a sixteenth part
Of a single step forward.


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Mackensen (talk) 19:21, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Your new categoriesEdit

What on earth are you doing with the Category:Regions of Pennsylvania categories? That makes no sense. This Category:Southwestern Pennsylvania is a disaster. --GrapedApe (talk) 16:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

  • How can you call start a disaster? I've not put anything much into any of them yet. Among other things the new cats avoid looping... To answer your question, regions X culture X geography. Nine parts, as is commonly referenced in media coverages. They'll list categories, Counties, maps, images and whatever can be related to the 'region' description, which is as I'm sure you're aware, at least half-cultural. England is smaller than Pennsylvania by way of comparison. Most of all, they give someone a place to park images that don't REQUIRE a intimate knowledge of categories in, categories by, and so forth... IN Pennsylvania. So in sum, they're big collections categories for things to be sorted to other more specific geographic categorizations (from my stand point, meaning at a later time -- I'm really trying to upload about 1000 pics, but didn't want to just park them anywhere and along the way I've been finding a lot of stuff that needs better filing, missing categories in extant schemes and so forth.) // FrankB 16:50, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Duh, must be because I like the look, what do you figure? //FAB
    • Also you used "it's" incorrectly. Should be "its." [2]
  • Drat, hate when the fingers don't pay attention in eighth grade-or was it fifth? I trust you can do the traditional wiki 'unmercifully edit' typos too jig when you find one? //FAB

ON W&J (My first college BTW), I generally add a few items to a category before committing to the creation of a category. Secondly, it will be as you infer, the intersection of buildings in Pennsylvania and the region. However, this schema is meant to be more of a list category not a category most specifically locating the media file's locale. General, not specific. Should help weed out oversubscribed {{catcat}} and {{MetaCat}} categories which have accumulated a lot of media that should be elsewhere. I can sort by region most times by names, but have NO PRAYER of sorting such by County excepting a few locales. Ditto by city, town, et al. Hence a regional definition of things as a schema makes much sense to me.

Sorry you feel I'm not moving fast enough, but I'm juggling a number of things, including various article creations on en.wikipedia necessitated and inspired by the need to upload a bunch of images (tab awaits) which tie into these categories as well. All going well, these will have some content later tonight. Right now I have a chore to do in the household. Otherwise the wife might be upset! // FrankB 22:36, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

How did you ever get the idea that I wouldn't cross-cat Cities and towns? Any pertinent NAMED THINGS somehow construable (e.g. Cultural terms are far broader and more encompassing than a geographical one, the second would fix a firm line of demarcation-a border, the first might include several counties in two or three abutting regions, Schylkill County for example) being listed in the REGION-blurring the border into a zone or area, my intent here, since it makes it easiest to pre-park images that can be further classified in the many by this and by that categorization schemes.
The intent here is not to narrow, but to make a more user friendly set of categories for "readers and lay people" to goto. Listing a governmental entity one might expect to find in the region is a likely starting point to fulling them up with sensible subcategories. I want to give some thought to sort pipetricks before making that succession of edits. Any suggestions? // FrankB 14:53, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
re: this diff and specifics, the point is if anyone can make a rationale that A belongs in region C, and B in D, but Harry can make a case B is also in C, they can both be happy. Consider the Wyoming Valley, Central, Northern, Eastern all can be justifiably made as cases. "CULTURE" is what people believe and NAMES are what some call them. The press, media voices, and advertising execs that coin names ("Best FORD Dealer in the XXXX Valley since 1932!") generally set things up in buzz names ("THE POCONOS", "Pennsylvania Dutch", etc.) SO this takes the edge off the academic narrow mindedness and supplies a schema in the vernacular. How exactly things shake out... will come down to consensus, I imagine. Since adjacent regions should only intersect in the parent type cat Regions of Pennsylvania, looping is avoided, are there concerns I'm otherwise missing. My recollection was the more categories an image could fit, the better as more people would be likely to find it. Since there are ample NARROW categories (e.g. Brick buildings in Philadelphia) I mean these to be more the antithesis, loose general categories which on the one hand link narrower categories that apply to many things (by Counties) // FrankB 02:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
Seems to me that this is a recipe for Spaghetti code-style categories. But, as long as you finish it and the final product makes sense, I'm convinced that there may be value to them. I've taken your invitation to "unmercifully edit" Category:Northeastern Pennsylvania already, and I'll work my way through the remainder.--GrapedApe (talk) 11:31, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:Northcentral_PennsylvaniaEdit

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If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category.

In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!


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GrapedApe (talk) 11:36, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Marked as Speedy Delete, slow down a bit!. I have a lot of other stuff going on! Spent most of last night NAMING photos for uploading, picking categories and readying that. This schema is a back burner side project that came up shopping categories for 1000 photos. Making systematic progress against the tyranny of those numbers is a somewhat higher priority. The porting and maintenance of this schema is a 'do this on the laptop whilst watching TV' task, not prime time! // FrankB 18:14, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

{{Regions of Pennsylvania}}Edit

There is absolutely no need for this template {{Regions of Pennsylvania}}. Upload the images at your pace, and let me do the summaries of the categories.--GrapedApe (talk) 00:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

    • HOW ABOUT MY PERSPECTIVE... There is absolutely no reason for you to be intruding into a schema I was in the middle of working out, and ... the template was intended from the outset. UNLIKE YOU, I'm not going to assume people know how to use a schema by mental telepathy. // FAB


  • OK, I fixed the worst problems with the category texts. Hey, here's an idea: why not make the categories match Pennsylvania Regions??????--GrapedApe (talk) 01:58, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Duh, because they aren't easy to remember compass points? Tell you what, We'll forget the whole thing. I'll tag them speedy Delete and I'll save loads of spare time... OK...


    • Tell me why I shouldn't just be adding Speedy D to the lot? If you want to take this over I have plenty of other things to do with my time. // FrankB 04:07, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
That's a bit unclear. Which way did you want to go? You seem to have some ideas of your own so what are you deciding? //FrankB 22:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I've cleaned up the categories. Upload your images.--GrapedApe (talk) 02:16, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Actually, kudos. I saw these recently as the improvement you intended. My apologies if I seemed put out but was juggling a lot of open browser tabs. Our communications kind of side tracked me, and temporarily derailed matters on that computer--which alas is where I have to upload from. They're about set--need to find the notes docs files with the pre-sorted category groups. // FrankB 20:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Category:Mauch_Chunk,_PennsylvaniaEdit

{{Category:Mauch_Chunk,_Pennsylvania|Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/01/Category:Mauch_Chunk,_Pennsylvania}} Mackensen (talk) 19:45, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Settled favorably // FrankB 05:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Trainz ImageEdit

{{Template:Trainz Image||}}  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:46, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

  • Apparently vaporware... did I get an answer as to why? I made an inquiry to someone! // FrankB 05:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Empty sub-categories in Category:Regions of PennsylvaniaEdit

First uploaded on April 29th... I take care to provide good captions and apropos categories--which quality control can take a while.

When are you going to populate the sub-categories of Category:Regions of Pennsylvania, that you spent so much effort creating (and then fighting me about User talk:Fabartus#Your new categories)? It's been 8 months and none of those sub-categories have more than a handful of files. The whole reason you were going to create those categories is because you were going to "upload about 1000 pics."--GrapedApe (talk) 03:41, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Guilty, but frankly, by the time I went through and set up a text file with various categories and messages for this group and that group of photos, life moved on and with the uncertainty of waiting for what you were going to do,... I'd just set it all aside (for then). I was also quite busy with a wiki and then that sequed into a Wikibook overhaul, which is still monopolizing my discretionary time.
But mostly... Shortly after our discussions, I got a new computer, had to get used to a new OS, set it up and try to get productive, etc., and hence one result is the older tower's been off and unused from October until yesterday when I needed to find a .pdf service manual for repairing my Gravely tractor.
One of the bigger problems for me at my age... is doing that sort of stuff would best be done from my old, slow laptop... so I can drone on from the easy chair so to speak! That's a double hit on the network over a wireless, so really ought be done on one of the desktops... where I sit when my brain is functioning (more or less).
I did take time to label them and group by folders and so forth, so once I find the time to look and find the notes and categories cheat sheet, I can move along fairly quick. I'll prioritize that a bit and so should continue uploading those in the next week to ten days. Thanks for the nudge. I've a couple dozen more recent to do too. Possibly over half of railyard shots taken back in late April--see my uploads on 29 April. IIRC, to do that to my standards, I was up until 4-5 am—which, as I'm pushing 60, makes for a rough work day and then then next two or three after THAT! (see pic CAPTION above). Best regards, FrankB 03:20, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Could you, then, at least populate those categories with other images/categories from the different regions of the state? That way, there's not just empty categories sitting around while you upload images.--GrapedApe (talk) 10:44, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

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