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Please note the open discussion at Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/02/Category:Panoramics before you rename further related categories. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:23, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

File:Pokemon GO, father son time, and disc golf.jpg

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File:صورمشبات,ديكورات مشبات.jpg

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Iketsi (talk) 19:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

File:Kit body bodo2021h.png

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Iketsi (talk) 19:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Category:Germa-language signs in Austria

Hi. Please follow all the instructions in {{Delete}} when you choose to use it. I chose to use {{Category redirect}} instead.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 00:15, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Jeff, "Germa" is not a language. I created the page inadvertently while cleaning up categories, and I see no point in keeping it. -Iketsi (talk) 00:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

And Category:Spanish-language by country?   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 00:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

I would keep the redirect in this case, because you could argue that Category:Spanish language by country, which is meant to contain files about the "Spanish language" by country, does contain "Spanish-language" files by country. It's a bit far-fetched, but not blatantly wrong like "Germa", which would set a precedent for an inordinate amount of redirects for other misspellings (Greman, Germann, Grman, Grmnn, Germam, etc.) -Iketsi (talk) 00:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Spanish language categories

I praise your work on language categories, but you've forgotten this: Category:Spanish words and phrases and this: Category:Ñ.

--LBM1948 (talk) 08:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@LBM1948: What are you suggesting? -- Iketsi (talk) 17:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Iketsi: I'm talking about including these categories in the template Texts by language, like the one seen in the header of the category "Spanish texts". I don't know how to do it.

--LBM1948 (talk) 17:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@LBM1948:  Done. Thanks for the suggestion. I'm still not sure how to integrate Category:Ñ and other language-specific letters, but I will figure something out eventually. --Iketsi (talk) 19:44, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Image note

Sorry, I removed the duplicate of the plaque text at File:Dülmen, Hausdülmen, St.-Mauritius-Kirche -- 2016 -- 3696.jpg. I'll modify my bot to add such kind of text at structured data (SDC). I think that this will be enough. (My bot will add the position of the plaque at SDC too. Thank you for adding the note. --XRay 💬 06:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

@XRay: Very cool. Where can I find more information on your bot? Your upload templates are impressively thorough. --Iketsi (talk) 06:17, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, there is no detailed information about my bot. It's a bot only for my own images (but with bot flag). It's based on my way of describing images and very huge configuration files. I find it extremely boring to do certain actions manually. With the bot, I achieve that almost all of my images benefit from improvements in the descriptions, categories and structured data. --XRay 💬 06:38, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:Turkish-language gravestones

Hi. As you made edits on Category:Turkish-language gravestones, initiated Category:Turkish-language gravestones by country and Category:Turkish-language gravestones in Turkey, you should also place 90-95 % of the files in the first cat to the third cat. At this moment it looks like there is only one "Turkish-language gravestone in Turkey"... Please. I am writing with two fingers; find a practical way to do the job. Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 03:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

@E4024: Sure thing! I'm on it. —Iketsi (talk) 03:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

UN Buffer Zone

There is a no man's land (for the moment under UN control) in between. Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 02:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Been there (NC) six times, if I remember well. Nice country. Kind people. Good food. :) --E4024 (talk) 02:18, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

A name

Children playing next to the Green line, (North) Nicosia

A stolen name: Republic of Cyprus. The Greek Cypriots stole this name, abducted the federal state based on political equality of Turks with the Greeks on the Island. Federalism is not always made based on territory. This "former" republic was based on a federalism without borders. Every function in the government was defined, who would assume which role, etc. Of course that was not serving to the Enosis ideal of some who ousted the Turks from all government bodies and tried to annihilate them, only within the first couple of years of independence. Find and read sources about the Bloody Christmas (1963) but further from clumsy WP texts (I think I wrote one of them or contributed "considerablemente"; still clumsy, how can you claim Greeks make massacres and pogroms, they are only objects of these horrible crimes, they never do anything bad...) Whatever, from January 1964 (within a few days) Turks organized in the north of the Island under different names like "Temporary" or "Autonomous" administration, federated state and in the end as a Republic. Do not think that Cyprus was divided in 1974 with the Turkish Peace Operation, it was always divided since December 1963. What Turkey did was to put an end to a decade of suffering for the Turks in the south (living in late 20th century concentration camps; they had to take a "permission" from the Greek Cypriots to travel from one village to another, and still at least a busful of them were found assassinated in cold blood and in a mass hole. There is even a film about this, but of course Turkish Cinema is not Hollywood and Hollywood generally makes films of Christians killed by Muslims (something as saddening as the opposite). What was I going to tell you? Ah, even if the name is "stolen" (that Republic also belonged to Turks) I believe we should use "Cyprus" only for the entire Island and use "Republic of Cyprus" (sic) for the Greek Republic. This is due to the spirit of the state of affairs on the Island: We have two "sovereign" bases, we have the UN-administered "cushion" area in-between the two republics, and then two independent states. This is well established in many WPs, even partly in the Greek-lobby hobby version. Look at WD, you will see many WPs that separate the Island and the so-called Cyprus. We are not here to make subjective discussions (I am subjective, those who oppose me are also subjective) but simply reflect the state of affairs. That requires using a separate categorization for the whole of the Island and another for the Greek state claiming to own it all (as in the case of the Eastern Mediterranean, some people always want "all"). I tried to do this but rudely reverted although there was a discussion. When you do not deign to come to the discussion page, or even participate at a discussion you opened, then we cannot advance. If I was telling a justified opinion, why did people neither let me do the obvious nor discussed anything? (Not necessarily with me, but with the community, why?) Do we have a favourable stance towards some countries or peoples here? I doubt some of us do. I feel good that in this case at least I am with the oppressed -in the past- one. They need some positive discrimination after decades of suffering, isolation and embargos. E4024 (talk) 14:36, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

@E4024: I see your point. You seem quite invested in this matter. When is the last time this was brought up in a community-wide discussion? "Ireland (island) vs the Republic of Ireland" and "Macedonia (region) vs North Macedonia" debates come to mind. —Iketsi (talk) 02:33, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Other than the discussion I linked above? OK, see here: Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/04/Category:Ireland. I was told that there was no separate cat for the Island of Cyprus but yes we do now. Just as many WPs and WD, naturally, make a distinction between the Island and the partial country that ridiculously claims to own it all, we also have to make a clear separation of cats to reflect the state of affairs on that island. E4024 (talk) 17:13, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

@E4024: I don't see any issue with applying the same logic that was used for categorizing files in/on Ireland. The most straightforward solution would be to keep current "X in Cyprus" categories as-is while keeping in mind that they refer to the entire island (regardless of administration). Wherever it is necessary to distinguish between particular political entities on the island, we can create subcategories (X in the Republic of Cyprus, X in Northern Cyprus, etc. Granted, "Republic of Cyprus" might still not be an ideal name for everyone, but it is the de facto standard until Greeks and Turks sign something akin to the Prespa agreement. An alternative would be to continue referring to the Greek Cypriot State as "Cyprus" and use "Cyprus (island)" for the island as a whole. —Iketsi (talk) 18:26, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Like in Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/02/Category:Roads in Ireland? No, thanks. E4024 (talk) 18:30, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Lay out your case, and we will find a solution. Are you suggesting a subcategorization scheme more in line with Hispaniola and Borneo? —Iketsi (talk) 18:37, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I have not seen Borneo, no idea about it. I have visited Hispaniola and saw there were two countries. Names are important but "what is what" is more important. If one of the countries on the island of Hispaniola was called "Republic of Hispaniola", the fact about the island being home to two countries/states would not change much. (IOW, it is not the name, although sometimes it is "how the name is manipulated to give a wrong impression", the real issue is the essence.) E4024 (talk) 18:51, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

I have no issue in keeping Cyprus (the island) separate from the individual political entities on it. What do you think would be the best course of action from here? —Iketsi (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

To begin working and not to be afraid of doing the correct. This requires to make a stroll through Wikidata items and Wikipedia articles first of all. I know I am repeating myself, but again: Many major WPs have made "separate articles" and "separate cats", for the country (in the south of the Island) that calls itself "Cyprus" and for the whole of the "Island of Cyprus". Here we have the Category:Cyprus (island), we also have a Category:Cyprus. For me this last cat must be a disam page, and not the cat for a partial state. For the Greek State I made the "Category:Republic of Cyprus", but as you can see it was reverted. Also, the so-called discussion here did not prosper because even the user who opened it avoided discussing with me; I guess they were not interested in finding a consensus but doing what the Greeks want. (As you may see in EN:WP, that so-called encyclopedia, ignores even the UN Buffer Zone and the two "sovereign" bases of the UK only to impose us a "Geography of Cyprus" article where other WPs have "Cyprus (island)" articles. The general cat about the Island should have inside it the RoC, the TRNC, the "sovereign bases" and the UN Zone, all as separate entities. If you look at our "gallery" on license plates you will see that the UNFICYP (UN Interim Force on the Island) even has its own license plates. Until the Cyprus problem is solved, we may sort of say that that area is within commas "under UN sovereignty", and not a part of none of the two states, at the current state of affairs. Therefore all categorization in Commons should reflect this fact. One: general cats about the "Island", Two: Specific cats for all the separate/distinct entities. At this moment, we have many cats of Northern Cyprus under "by country" cats, but some user made templates to their own preference and some of those cats join with the "so-called Cyprus" in cat trees. Those templates must also be corrected. We are not a court here. We only reflect what we see: Northern Cyprus is not part of "Republic of Cyprus", even if that identity calls itself "Cyprus", Earth", or Universe. Northern Cyprus does not want to be part of a state that intended etnic cleansing on them, in 1963-64, 1967 and 1974 and had the Turks in the south living in concentration camp-like ghettoes for a decade beteen 1964 and 1974, until the Turkish Army saved them. (I can give you more info on these if you wish. We had photos of massacres of Turks, but they were all deleted by a grinning group of Wikipedians, under different pretexts; the same people that tried to lynch me in EN:WP because I wanted to add the Turkish name of Athens to its article, a city which stayed under Turkish sovereignty for centuries, while they imposed old names to any Turkish city. Always double standards. Whatever, do not give much time to these.) Anything not clear enough? E4024 (talk) 01:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I can think of a few solutions:

Option A
Cyprus is an island home to 4 distinct states considered countries for categorization purposes.

Island	"Country"
Cyprus	Republic of Cyprus
	Northern Cyprus
	UN Buffer Zone in Cyprus
	Akrotiri and Dhekelia

Option A) Treat all four political entities on the island as separate countries for categorization purposes.

Notes:

• Sets a precedent for other UN-controlled territories (UNDOF and UNMIK), unless the UN Buffer Zone in Cyprus is significantly more country-like than other territories under UN administration.

Implications:

• Thousands of "Cyprus" categories will need to be renamed "Republic of Cyprus," and the files inside them that lie outside the de facto territory of the Greek republic will need to be moved to sibling categories.

Option B
Cyprus is a de facto country, currently an uncodified federation of 4 non-cooperating states.

Island	"Country"	States within said "country"
Cyprus (island)	Cyprus	Republic of Cyprus
		Northern Cyprus
		UN Buffer Zone in Cyprus
		Akrotiri and Dhekelia

Option B) Treat "Cyprus" (the whole island) as a "country-like unit," categorize it "by country," and treat the 4 political entities as independent subsets of it.

Notes:

• De facto, Cyprus – like Ireland – is an island; not a unified nation state. The four political entities on it are sovereign and politically distinct. On the other hand, they are bound by geography and history.

Implications:

• Northern Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus will not be categorized directly under "by country" categories, but rather under "Cyprus" in the sense of "a country-like non-political grouping of de facto sovereign entities on the island of Cyprus."

Option C
Cyprus = Republic of Cyprus; other territories (except Akrotiri and Dhekelia) are special entities on its territory.

Island	Country	Special areas in the country
Cyprus (island)	Cyprus (aka Republic of Cyprus)	Northern Cyprus
		UN Buffer Zone in Cyprus
	Akrotiri and Dhekelia

Option C) Treat "Cyprus" (the whole island) as synonymous with "Republic of Cyprus"

Notes:

• De jure, Northern Cyprus is considered by all states except Turkey to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus (this is also evidenced by the Republic of Cyprus' flag).
• Disregards the fact that Northern Cyprus is de facto a separate state.

Option D
Cyprus is an island home to 2 countries (Republic of Cyprus and Northern Cyprus), a UN zone on the territory of both, and a military base belonging to the UK (Akrotiri and Dhekelia).

Island	Country	Special area in the countries
Cyprus	Republic of Cyprus	UN Buffer Zone in Cyprus
	Northern Cyprus
	Military base
	Akrotiri and Dhekelia

Option D) Treat "Republic of Cyprus" and "Northern Cyprus" as countries

Notes:

• Since it is a bit of a stretch to call a UN-administered area a "country," it is important to make a distinction between administration and ownership of a territory. Although the UN administers the buffer zone both de jure and de facto, it could be argued that half of that territory lies within each Cypriot state.

—Iketsi (talk) 21:39, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

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I like options A and D.

Option A: OK. Cyprus is an island home to 4 distinct ENTITIES considered separate items/units? for categorization purposes.

Option B: Cyprus is an island, not a country; and as one the countries on the island (the so-called Republic of Cyprus") usurps that name this option is not acceptable. BTW the UN Buffer zone and the "sovereign bases" are NOT STATES. "Sovereign bases" means, no state on the island has sovereignty on those two territories (that is one of the reasons I always reject the "Cyprus-island country" lie. Even if the TRNC (and the buffer zone) did not exist, the island and the Greek country does not have the same amount of territory.) On those territories there is British sovereignty, we Turks and Greeks like it or not. (Even in Commons I saw a map with the British flag on the island. Let mes try to find it and show you.)

Option C: Not acceptable. TRNC is a state. It is not a state on the internet or within an apartment building, it has a territory, and a people; therefore it is a country. It is independent. If this independence is recognized or not by X, Y, or Z country that has no effect on sovereignty. When you have a government and exercise sovereignty on a defined territory that is it. You are independent and sovereign.

Option D: Also OK as I already said. Change Special area in the countries (for the UN Zone) to "Special area" or "Special area (on the island)". Thanks. E4024 (talk) 22:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Just a curiosity

Hi. Why do you notify at your own TP when you nominate a file for deletion, instead of at the TP of the uploader? Don't you use the "Nominate for deletion" gadget at the left column? --E4024 (talk) 02:23, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

That is odd indeed because I do use that gadget. Maybe I am using an older JS version that I pasted manually a few years ago? —Iketsi (talk) 02:28, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Templates

Bus routing road sign, Hallstatt: A small present to you, for your work in the area of signs

Hi. I do not know how to find and see a template, less edit them. The template used at Category:Aviation organizations of Turkey is made by you? It should use Category:Organizations of Turkey by type and not Category:Organizations of Turkey. I added the missing one but now it is not "duly" categorized. Cheers. --E4024 (talk) 02:07, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@E4024: If you are interested, I would be delighted to go over the basics of templates with you. If not, you can always ask me to modify templates for you. I am not the author of Category:Aviation organizations of Turkey, nor have I ever stumbled upon it, but your point on the categorization hierarchy is valid. I can address the issue. —Iketsi (talk) 02:16, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm too old to learn; but not that old to forget. I still see the same mistake there. After having a look at that issue, as you promised, please categorize File:פסל מוסטפה כמאל אטאטורק ע"ר מתחם תחנת הרכבת התורקית בבאר-שבע.jpg (multi-lang signs) also. Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 22:13, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@E4024:  Done. I also fixed the overcat issue in Template:Aviation organizations of country. —Iketsi (talk) 22:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Wow, we mentioned each other (the red light thingy) with only one minute of difference! :) E4024 (talk) 05:31, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@E4024: I created Towing signs for File:Nergiz station building.jpg. It should be enough for now, but you could add a note to the image to clarify what the sign says (and means), for future reference.

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Category:Flags_of_Pannonian_Rusyns

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Barnstars

I reverted you at File:Darren_Gergle_01.jpg. Not sure what you were thinking. You might want to look to see if you made other similar errors. - Jmabel ! talk 21:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jmabel: I believe you understood "JPG barnstars" as images of non-physical barnstars, but given that its parent category is "[...] by format", I believe it refers to the format of the file; not the nature of what it depicts. This is why I recategorized File:Darren_Gergle_01.jpg from Wikimedia barnstars to JPG barnstars (a subcategory of Wikimedia barnstars by format): because it is indeed a JPG file. I have since also added it back to Wikimedia barnstars, since it can be further subcategorized according to its other properties, including color, design element, etc. I created Physical Wikimedia barnstars to prevent future confusion. --Iketsi (talk) 01:37, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Please look at Category:JPG barnstars. With a couple of exceptions -- which I would consider miscategorized -- it consists of JPG files intended to be used as Wikimedia barnstars. It is not a category for files that happen to be JPEGs and happen to have a barnstar somewhere in them. - Jmabel ! talk 01:32, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Indeed. We are on the same page. The category should be renamed JPG Wikimedia barnstars, and the files that you consider miscategorized should stay in JPG barnstars, which will be a subcategory of generic (non-Wikimedia) Barnstars. Correct? --Iketsi (talk) 03:53, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Category:Writers by country by language

If this category is going to contain categories with names like "Writers from <country> by language", then it should be called Category:Writers by language by country. The thing that's variable (in this case, the country name) should be last. Let me know if you have any questions or would like help renaming. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:45, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6:  Done. --Iketsi (talk) 07:10, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 08:08, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Languistic maps by language

Are you sure about creating so many categories by language? The language used to write a map could just go in the structured data, using language of work or name (P407). I mean, I think that it is not very useful to classify the maps in "Linguistic maps of X language" into "Y-language languistic maps of X language". I think that if we want to divide categories like "Linguistic maps of X language", it should be more useful to classify them by the topic: like the dialects, isoglosses or countries it depicts, like in Category:Linguistic maps of the Russian language. FogueraC (talk) 16:15, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

File:Dan Crenshaw, official portrait, 116th Congress 2.jpg

Category:Dan Crenshaw in 2019 are already located in Category:Young men wearing eyepatches --Trade (talk) 00:04, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

@Trade:  Done

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Renaming categories

Please stop renaming categories related to the Czech Republic, there is no consensus on this (see Category talk:Czech Republic for example). Thanks. Jklamo (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jklamo: I appreciate the heads up, but aren't these edits as a little hypocritical? [1][2]

Langue mystère

Bonjour !

Bien vu pour l'identification du somali ! As-tu une idée de la cinquième langue rajoutée à la main en bas de ce panneau de Singapour? J'hésite entre hindi, bengali, marathi, punjabi et népalais. Place Clichy 08:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@Place Clichy: Je suis presque sûr que c'est écrit en alphasyllabaire bengali. C'est donc probablement du bengali, ou peut-être de l'assamais ou du meitei, mais ce serait étonnant. --Iketsi (talk) 14:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Catégories multilingues

Re ce commentaire de diff : merci d'essayer d'uniformiser la présentation des catégories d'objets multilingues avec un même modèle. Quelques remarques :

• J'essaie en général d'ajouter une catégorie sur la relation entre 2 pays car, selon moi, une inscription ou plaque bilingue témoigne d'une relation culturelle entre les nations. Ce n'est bien évidemment possible que lorsqu'une langue est fortement identifiée à une (ou deux) nation(s), ce qui est souvent parfaitement illusoire, par exemple pour la langue arabe.
  • @Place Clichy: Je suis d'accord qu'une telle relation culturelle est implicite, mais la catégorie-mère remonte aux relations internationales, puis à la politique. Une autre option serait de créer des catégories parallèles pour les relations non politiques entre nations (échanges culturels, évènements sportifs, affiches, plaques, dépliants, etc.) Peut-être devrions-nous en débattre avec la communauté. --Iketsi (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

• J'ai remarqué que le modèle ajoute désormais une catégorie-mère N-lingual Bar-Foo signage, qui est souvent inexistante. Avez-vous l'intention de créer ces catégories manquantes ? Cette structure devrait-elle vraiment être automatique, par exemple pour les combinaisons à 4 langues ou plus, où l'on est pas sûr d'avoir suffisamment de contenu pour remplir plusieurs sous-catégories, sans que cela soit trop nuisible à la navigation ?
  • @Place Clichy: Effectivement, l'ajout de cette catégorie-mère devrait être conditionnel à l'existence de catégories sœurs qui justifieraient sa création. Je vais modifier le modèle en conséquence. --Iketsi (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

• J'essaie de limiter la redondance dans les catégories parentes de niveau intermédiaire (par exemple, les combinaisons de deux ou trois langues différentes présentes sur une inscription quadrilingue). Pour cela j'ajoute systématiquement à une catégorie quadrilingue A-B-C-D les catégories de niveau immédiatement supérieures même si elles n'existent pas (càd dans l'exemple les catégories trilingues A-B-C, A-B-D, A-C-D at B-C-D), et les catégories-mères des langues A, B, C et D, mais je n'ajoute les catégories intermédiaires que si aucune catégorie existante n'implique déjà cette combinaison. Dans le cas contraire, ajouter ces catégories me semble une redondance inutile rendant la navigation moins pratique. Par exemple, pour Category:Quadrilingual Bulgarian-English-French-Turkish signs, j'ai ajouté Bilingual French-Turkish signs (car ni Trilingual Bulgarian-French-Turkish signs, ni Trilingual English-French-Turkish signs n'existent au moment où je la crée), mais pas les catégories pour les autres combinaisons de 2 langues, car elles sont implicitement présentes via Trilingual Bulgarian-English-French signs et Trilingual Bulgarian-English-Turkish signs. Ce test peut sans doute s'automatiser pour les combinaisons de 4 voire 5 langues, mais nécessiterait sans doute une quantité énorme de code au-delà. Serait-il plus approprié d'utiliser un paramètre nocat désactivant l'inclusion automatique de ces catégories intermédiaires, afin de permettre de faire cette sélection manuellement si l'on le souhaite ? Par exemple, j'avais fait cette sélection sur Category:Septilingual Chinese-English-French-German-Italian-Japanese-Spanish signs, alors que l'utilisation du modèle automatique a remis l'integralité des catégories parents, dont de nombreuses sont inutilement redondantes.
  • @Place Clichy: J'aime bien l'idée. Je vais devoir prendre le temps d'évaluer comment cerner le problème d'un point de vue technique. --Iketsi (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Sur un autre sujet, pourquoi dans ces edits ajouter la mention trilingue à l'inscription commémorative du monument égypto-soviétique d'Assouan ? Je n'y vois que du russe et de l'arabe. Place Clichy 09:43, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Place Clichy: Simple erreur de ma part. --Iketsi (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2021 (UTC)