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Belarus Census 2009Edit

Official Census 2009 national/regional level data are here. Merry Xmas! Bogomolov.PL (talk) 08:23, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

  • I've vectorized a Belarus map as this map was not present in web.
  • About rounding: you see the largest values at the map are unique and verifiable (we don't want users surprised with the difference: 201,568 in the source but 200,000 at the map) the rest of circles sizes were rounded.
  • The smallest units in Belarus are selsovets and populated locations (selsovet aggregates several locations and can be concidered as a local commune). The selsovet boundaries spaghetti is available at the Belarus cadastral site. But all population statistics are district level only now. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 05:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
    • I've made this map: Polish minority in Belarus File:Poles in Belarus share 2009.png. And I'm a phd in cartography (MIIGAiK ru:Московский государственный университет геодезии и картографии) Bogomolov.PL (talk) 22:44, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
      • Again[1]: it has no sense round large unique values as it can be asked a question - why value 6,070,637 was rounded 6,000,000? Why value ca 3,899,518 is present at the map but is not present in the legend? Why 1,000,000 is present in the legend but absent at the map (the third largest value is ca 619,435)? We need make a map depicting a real content but not a scheme for the larger map set, I guess.
      • In Belarus is 1 (one) district with absolute (and no districts with relative) ethnic minority (Poles) majority (Voronovo district in Grodno voblast). Belarusians are absolute ethnic majority everywhere besides Voronovo. But linguistic situation is more complex - there are regions with Russian language dominancy. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 09:51, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
        • Yes your density map is not logical anough as the weight of the point (circle) has to be defined clearly (it is possible to use points with different weights: small for sparcerly populated areas - not to be looking as uninhabited; medium and large - last one for densely populated territories where we need place too much "medium" points in the same small area. And the main idea of this kind of maps is to depict the irregularities of population distribution inside the administrative units. A filling of the administrative area with constant points density has no sense, I see.
        • "Small units" in Belarus are the "selsoviets", the selsoviets network was never published as a special product, but it is possible to create this map using official cadastral maps. But population statistics was never published at the selsoviet (commune) level. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 09:30, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
          • Again: "small units" are the "selsoviets" and in the available sources was not published population, area, ethnic composition for this 3-d level units. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 12:24, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Tip: Categorizing imagesEdit

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Hello, Lilic!

Tip: Add categories to your images

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

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✓ Done.
✓ Done.

Verske mape VojvodineEdit

Mislim da bi na ovim mapama Grko-Katolike trebalo prikazati posebno:

PANONIAN (talk) 17:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Hm, ni u rezultatima popisa po opštinama koje ja imam se ne pominju grkokatolici, tako da izgleda da ih je zavod za statistiku prikazao jednostavno kao katolike. U svakom slučaju, u pitanju su 3 naselja nastanjena Rusinima: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vojvodina_-_Etnicki_sastav_po_naseljima_2002_1.gif PANONIAN (talk) 17:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Zar ovo ne treba da bude u većoj rezoluciji: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vojvodina-Montenegrins-1961.gif PANONIAN (talk) 17:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Imaš ovde popis po naseljima za celu bivšu Ugarsku za 1910 godinu: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YKE9MH4B Međutim, dokument ima dosta strana i teško je u njemu pronaći i županiju koju tražiš a kamoli naselje. PANONIAN (talk) 19:02, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

HEH. Znam, ali sam se pomucio da do tih podataka dodjem. U svakom slucaju evo brojeva strana:

  • bacs-bodrog...176
  • temes...354
  • torontal...364
  • szerem...470

PANONIAN (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Montenegro mapsEdit

Hi, and thanks for the comments. Initially all maps were the same (they had international boundaries and the Kotor Municipality had the same mistake in all maps due to the fact that I took the map as it was uploaded on Commons previously). However, Tresnjevo disagreed with the maps and according to him they are not the same as the PNG maps. Therefore, I redid one map (the one without boundaries) so it looks similarly to the png version (but I doubt that even that version can be accepted by him). I may correct the maps soon (if Tresnjevo does not remove them from the other versions section). Sve najbolje, --MacedonianBoy (talk) 09:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Osim Kotor, jesu li ostale granice u redu?--MacedonianBoy (talk) 09:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
OK, hvala na podatcima i nadam se da cu mape popraviti. Sve najbolje, --MacedonianBoy (talk) 19:10, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

File:Vojvodina-Evangelical-1931.GIFEdit

Hi Lilic, in your new upload you used the term "evangelical" instead of "protestant". Are you aware that this is not equivalent. The term "evangelical" is only a subgroup of "protestant" and in some western countries this term is even used as a bad word. --Túrelio (talk) 06:35, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Ethnic maps of HungaryEdit

Hello, sorry for the late answer and for my poor english...

Drawing map for the minorites in Hungary is very-very complicated. We can use two kind of databases to identify the geographical location of ethnic minorites in the country:

  • The census (hu. Népszámlálás). The last processed and public census was 2001.
  • The local and country-wide elections of minorites.

We have messive problems with this events:

Problems with methodology of the census:

  • The fear of discrimination. The deportation of jewish miniroty in 1944 was based on the 1941 census. The urge-conscription by the Wehrmacht of the german miniroty in 1944 was based on the 1941 census. The deportation of german miniroty in 1946-'48 was based on the 1941 census. Since than (mostly the elderly people) has the fear of discrimination, that's why they do not like identify him- or herself as german, slovak or other.
  • Dual ethnic consciousness. The hungarian census gives the opportunity to identify yourself as "hungarian and slovak" or "hungarian german". Most of the minority people in Hungary has a dual indentity. For example: Újhartyán. This is a german village in Pest county. At the "ethnic bounding" (hu: nemzeti kötődés) you can see:
Hungarian: 96%
German: 40% (HU + DE = 136%!!!!)

second example: Lórév [2]( serb village in Pest county)

Hungarian: 77%
Serbian: 66% (HU + SR = 144%)

My experience there is no significant difference between a german or an german-hungarian citizen of Újhartyán.

  • Problems with the roma minority: dual ethnic consciousness (hungarian gipsy), no national religion (like armenian christian of the armenian minority, or serbian orthodox christianity), no national language. The upper classes (~20% of the gipsies) of the roma community were assimilated by the major nations.


Problems with the ethnic elections:

  • Few months ago i wrote an article, the Ethno-businnes. Ethno-businnes is a frequent phenomenon in the rural Hungary. The foundation of an local ethnic self-government is popular because of the income opportunityes. (support by the state, taking part in the political an cultural life) Therefore we have many-many fake local ethnic self-governments around the country. Armenian local self governments with ethnic hungarian members, romanian local self governments with gipsy members, etc. Many ethnic hungarian citizen dececlares him or herself during the census as member of an ethnic minority to take a position in the local ethnic governments. The most famous "non-hungarian Hungarian" is mr. Zsolt Lányi, who was member of the parlaiment in a hungarian nationalist fraction, later was member of the Budapest City local armenian self-government, as ethnic armenian citizen.

So... Of course i can draw the map of the ethnic minorites of Hungary, and I will do it, but the map will not represent the reality. Beroesz (talk) 16:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Gipsy maps: I'm working as socialgeographer and I can say that map contains the results of a census and not the 100% of truth. You should handle it with care.

Maps of the serb minority in Hungary: the serb minoroity is a relative small but self-conscious and closed commonity in Hungary. (No ethno-businnes.) I think I can make the map it few days. The coloring on the map is a little bit problematic, because we have some traditionaly serb villages (like Csobánka/Чобанац in the Pannonian Mountains, 1,7%serb) where the rate of the ethnic serb population was reduced by the suburban migration and we have few setlement, where the number of serbs was increased by the last balkan war. --Beroesz (talk) 08:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

trollingEdit

Serbian Shovinistic propagand on the your pages. Your IP adres will send in Croatian Interpol.

Lilic Serbian shovinistic propagandEdit

Lilic lai !

I think that you are not familiar with what a census is nor how it is conducted. Firstly, make a wiki account. That will help. At any rate, before you stress too much over 1991, howabout you first check 2001, and then ask yourself if 2001 is okay, why wouldn't 1991 be? Here, http://www.dzs.hr/Hrv/censuses/Census2001/Popis/H01_02_03/H01_02_03.html (Lilic (talk) 06:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC))

Ethnic data for VojvodinaEdit

Hi Lilic,

First of all, I would like to congratulate you for the excellent ethnic maps you have made. Keep up the good work!

I am currently working on a project called "Etno-demographic and confessional trends in Banat region from the 18th century to present-day". I was wondering if you can direct me to a repository for ethnic and religion data for the Serbian Banat (Vojvodina) and the "Banatian-part" of Belgrade at local (settlement) level (preferably in XLS, DBF or another table format).

I am interested in covering the 1931, 1953, 1991 and 2001 Yugoslav/Serbian censuses.

Thank you and best regards,

Andrei


Andrein 18:03, 27 November 2012 (EET)

Discussions continued via email. (Lilic (talk) 06:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC))

Kosovo mapEdit

Hi Lilic,first i would like to congatulate you for your job,you're very good,excellent in these thing's. I am interested to find a Kosovo map with settlements and their names so i could make an ethnic map of Kosovo according to the 2011 census that was held there.I need a map of Kosovo settlement's and their names written in the recpective settlements.Also do you have any ethnic map of Montenegro's settlement's by name.I would be very glad if you can help me.

User talk:Lulani i medvegjes

Hi. I have actually been working on such maps. I am a student and have lots of papers to write otherwise they would have been finished a long time ago.
I have a map of all the settlements in Montenegro. I have them also for Kosovo in both serbian and albanian. I am not fond of you using my maps however. (Lilic (talk) 21:41, 1 April 2013 (UTC)).


Hi.I would like to let you know i have seen your map's you made recently and they're very good,great.And for the info I searched for Kosovo map with the names of settlements and I founded them from Kosovo statistis's agency,and I have made some map's recently,I have taken only administrative map from someone else,the other part was done by me and now I am correcting any mistakes I have made.I am glad you have Montenegro's map with all the settlements,but it's ok if you want to keep it for yourself.(Lulani i medvegjes (talk) 15:30, 3 April 2013 (UTC)).
What is the purpose of making maps that others have already made? Like the religious map? Are you going to make the language map next, even though I already made it? Where is the limit for you, perhaps there is none? I am guessing you want a settlement map for Montenegro so that you could make even more maps that have already been made? Why? (Lilic (talk) 17:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)).

I swear in God,in God that I was making my map when I saw yours,I swear.No ,I am not going to make any other map of Kosovo or Montenegro.I am not going to make any language map,I will delete the one which I was making (a language map) now that you have made it before.I don't want to make any Montenegro's map's,you have made it, and those map's are very good.I was just curious about Montenegro's map with settlements,believe me.What I am searching now is to find a way to make an Albania's ethnic map,and that's very difficult,I think.I have made the ethnic map of Kosovo before you,and I was not nervous when I saw your map's,I liked your's more than my map's,to be honest.(Lulani i medvegjes (talk) 23:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)).

I am open to cooperation with you. However I am not fond of people just taking my maps out of the blue. My maps are more correct than yours, and if you are interesting we could work towards making your maps more correct, where we would both be joint-authors, if that suites you - well, for the maps of percentage of people. The legends would have to be in all three languages however. I am not at all interested in removing my map for ethnicity or religion. Also, I think that it would be fair if you deleted the religion map that you made.
I do not have any data on albania, but would be interested in working on something like that with you if you are interested. On the other hand you might be able to do that on your own too, which is also okay. (Lilic (talk) 22:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)).

I am glad to hear that from you,but I would say once again that I was finishing my religious map when I saw your's,I didn't took it from you,believe.I would delete the religious map,if you would do the same with your ethnic map,but I think that we both don't like this idea. I will not make any new map's,so I think you can make new maps like percent of muslims,orthodox and catholics. Yes,you're right about your map's,they're better,and I like your idea of correcting my maps of percentage of people,joint-authors,hmmm,I like it.I can accept the three language model also. (Lulani i medvegjes (talk) 17:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)).

I don't care if you were working on any maps at the same time. I was making my maps for a while, and rather than taking someone else's administrative map, I made mine. Further, mine is more correct, so I have no intention to remove any of my maps. Hence, my ethnic map is totally staying. Also, if it is easier for you, you may email me. (Lilic (talk) 16:04, 4 April 2013 (UTC)).

Croatia Slavonia religion mapEdit

Did you e-mail him? --Bojovnik (talk) 19:43, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

No, I did not, sorry. I will email him tonight. (Lilic (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC)).
He does not reply right away. There was some confusion over which map I was talking to him about - but I did ask him finally when we figured out what map was in question. If he goes not reply soon I'll email again. (Lilic (talk) 21:27, 30 June 2013 (UTC)).
Any change after five days? --Bojovnik (talk) 17:29, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
He's not replying. I think he doesn't care. I even messaged him publicly on the forum to check his email, but he doesn't reply. (Lilic (talk) 12:30, 7 July 2013 (UTC)).
Got a reply today. He said that the map is not great, and that it would be better to make a new one that's better. So I am not sure what d'you want me to do now? (Lilic (talk) 05:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)).
Put the old one back until we get the better version. --Bojovnik (talk) 09:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I can not do that without proper licensing. I have asked Pavo several times and he seems to not care. He does not think that the map is very good, he thinks that a better one should be made, and so I really don't know what to tell you. I tried though, you have to admit that I tried. (Lilic (talk) 06:39, 11 July 2013 (UTC)).
Oh, yeah, I agree. I agree completely that you have done everything possible in order to take this image down from commons. Congratulations! First problem was that you didn't believe me that he gave me the permission and that he is the author. Now that we know both of those facts for sure, you should reopen the discussion at the page, put the new information there and allow other people interested in this case to decide. The sole fact that he doesn't care (after he gave me an explicit permission) is enough to put this image back. I think that his being indifferent only shows this image is supposed to be brought back to commons.--Bojovnik (talk) 12:00, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
What do you expect me to do, to bother him until he gives the proper permission? I have bothered him quite a lot, sent him many emails. I think you're unfair here. (Lilic (talk) 15:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)).

Hi LilicEdit

I have outlined a solution here for the demographic map. Although I think everything has settled down now, it is important to me to know how you feel about the situation and the solution. If you have a moment, please consider commenting there, I would appreciate that. Penyulap 20:32, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I just read your last comment on the matter at ANU, don't worry about commenting on the talkpage if you're fed up with the whole matter, I simply wanted to be know how you felt about closure of the matter, and you are the only person who can help me there. Penyulap 20:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
well, if you'd like any help or advice, please ask. You can use my talkpage or email. Penyulap 19:17, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

TKO VAM JE DAO DOZVOLUEdit

  • OBJAVLJIVANJE KRIVOTVORENIH PODATAKA KAŽNJIVO JE DJELO.
  • CRTANJE DIJELOVA HRVATSKE (ISTRE I DALMACIJE) NIJE U SKLADU SA TERITORIJALNIM USTROJSTVOM RH I SMATRA SE PROTUZAKONITIM ČINOM !
  • IMATE LI UOPĆE DOZVOLU ZA OBJAVLJIVANJE BILO KAKVIH ZEMLJOVIDA REPUBLIKE HRVATSKE ?
What exactlydo you want, and what is this abrasive/weird treat supposed to be? (Lilic (talk) 21:45, 21 July 2013 (UTC)).

Neobjektivne mapeEdit

Zašto su naselja kojih nema na popisu uopće na karti? Zašto su granice naselja iz 1991. a ne iz 1900.?

Tako je zavod statistike hrvatske publikovao podatke. Evo, sad cu da postavim takvu jednu kartu za Slovacku. That is how the croatian statistics office published the data. Here, I'll post such a map just now for Slovakia. (Lilic (talk) 05:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC)).

Slike za brisanjaEdit

Sačekat ću da se IoanessII javi, jer ovo što radi nema smisla. Nakon dvije godine traži brisanje slika s obrazloženjem da ih je kopirao s interneta, a postavio ih je kao svoje djelo. Ne navodi odakle ih je kopirao, a gledajući slike, teško da je to kopirano. Najgore je što admini brišu samo tako, na osnovu zahtjeva autora. Ako ništa, one koje meni trebaju ću nacrtati i postaviti ovdje.--MaCroatian squares Ljubicic.gifGa 07:21, 20 September 2014 (UTC)