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আফতাবুজ্জামান (talk) 17:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The files you nominated for delete have government licence

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The files you nominated for delete have government licence. There are many such files which are uploaded from government websites by using this license. I have proper license to upload it. I don't know why you have problems with my edits. George Simon Ohm (talk) 17:05, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Is this picture nominated for delete File:Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury official portrait.jpg. This has same information than my uploads. George Simon Ohm (talk) 17:10, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm thank you so much for giving me one more file to nominate for deletion. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 23:49, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Then do one thing. Delete all the files from commons. If this is not enough, then delete commons.

There are more than 100 files like this. Especially, of West Bengal's Trinomial politicians. I can provide you more examples. George Simon Ohm (talk) 14:06, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm please give me. I shall be happy to nominate the files that are wrongly licensed. And just to tell you I haven't deleted them. I just nominated them. Admins deleted because they found my nomination right that they are non-free images uploaded under wrong license. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 14:10, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm, the problem is the source website does not say the images are released under the GODL. It's not mentioned anywhere on their website. On other Indian government websites, it's clearly stated. There's a couple of discussions about this on the template talk page for the license, I'd suggest asking there. You can also ask at Commons:Village_pump/Copyright. The issue I've seen raised in several places is that parliament is not part of the government, and so if not explicitly regulated under the law, it's not included. It would be really, really, really nice if the Indian government / parliament would change their website to explicitly say it's included and I really hope those image are supposed to be covered by the GODL, but right now every piece of evidence says they are not. Ravensfire (talk) 16:06, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@Ravensfire Thank you so much. I needed this more than @George Simon Ohm. Although I know this but I couldn't explain him in detail about this. His replies it suggests that he thinks I am doing it because of some personal grudge. Thanks again. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 16:57, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm I have no problem with your edits. But if you or any other person will upload a file with wrong license or a copyrighted work I will nominate it for deletion. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 23:51, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Can I take permission from the individual personally beside sending email. I've whatsapp no of some MPs like Adhir, Raghav etc. Or can I upload WhatsApp sending pictures in place. George Simon Ohm (talk) 18:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm, Permission would need to come from the copyright holder. Copyright generally is with the person taking the picture, not the subject, or whoever hired the photographer. In this case, it's probably most likely with the legislature itself, and that's where the permission would need to come from. Please don't take images from WhatsApp - those are going to be copyrighted and will not have a license compatible with Commons, just like nearly every other image you find online. Ravensfire (talk) 19:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm in simple words you jave to take the permission from the copyright holder where you take the photo from. Like those pictures were taken from parliament website. So have to take permission from parliament only. And that too has to be via email. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 01:18, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

I have send them email. George Simon Ohm (talk) 10:56, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

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It was clearly stated in the website that it the pictures has license to upload that's why I had uploaded it George Simon Ohm (talk) 17:20, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm Learn to read. Open Data Portal is a link to other website. Copyright info is given in Privacy Policy section. And I and @Ravensfire, already told you to ask for permission via email because that is the only way possible to upload them here. Anways, I just nominated it. Some admin deleted it. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 17:24, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

I have send them email but they haven't replied George Simon Ohm (talk) 17:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm They probably won't. There are 1/1000 cases in which they give permission. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 17:30, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

File:Shri_Sougata_Roy_official_portrait,_2019.jpg From George Simon Ohm (talk) 17:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

From where they collect license to upload it. It there for last 4 years George Simon Ohm (talk) 17:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

This too should be deleted. You can see that it is not yet reviewed and that is the only reason it is still here. But won't be for any longer. I have nominated it for SD. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 17:29, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Why my one are deleted fast George Simon Ohm (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

It is there in commons for 4 years. My one delete after 5 hours. Why? George Simon Ohm (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm There is nothing like yours are deleted fast and others aren't. Admins delete whenever they get time and are satisfied that the file violates the copyright rules. And as I told you that is still here because it is still unreviewed. But now I have nominated it for Speedy Deletion. If admins find it also violating (which they probably will) it too will be deleted. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 17:35, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Something to consider, George Simon Ohm, when you look at the profile for the member, there's a disclaimer that the source is not india.gov.in, but is sansad.in. You really should be looking at the true source of the data, which includes the portrait. It would be much simpler to see something like what's on the US House of Representatives site - [1]. Pretty clear there. Let's take some time to actually get this figured out and avoid further drama. Everyone here would like to be able to use the images, but we have to be careful about copyright and be 100% sure that an image is allowed. For these images, that's just not the case. Ravensfire (talk) 19:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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Update Indian rupee picture now 2000₹ was removed.

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Remove this note Musicalartist071 (talk) 06:36, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@Musicalartist071 I see you have already done it. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 05:23, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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I'm not a sockpuppet of any account in Wikipedia

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Some admins have clamed that my account https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:George_Simon_Ohm is a sockpuppet of another account name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Marxist_Economist as they have seen many of our edits are common in a page on Tripura. I don't have connection with that account. I even don't know whose account is it. I am unable to talk with any admin in Wikipedia. Please save me and help me to unblock. You are one of the most trusted person on Wikipedia for me. Moreover, my edits are beneficial for man viewers of Wikipedia. Please urged them to unblock me. George Simon Ohm (talk) 07:06, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

@George Simon Ohm This is not the correct way. You should go for UTRS and prove that you are right. Anyways you are blocked by a Checkuser. So it is highly unlikely that you are right and the community is wrong. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 10:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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You should add this new map since the governments have changed after the election. https://imgur.com/3zCLLXO Ok123l (talk) 10:07, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this. Just to let you know, I have the map prepared, I am just waiting for sometime. So that noone objects. I shall upload it at 5:00 P.M. IST. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 10:48, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Update Mizoram Hann23 (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding. Will do as soon as they form govt. Waiting to do if they ally with either fronts. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 16:23, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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File:Offical Portrait of Vishnudeo Sai 2023.jpg

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Hello @Shaan Sengupta,

I would like to know why you want to remove 'File:Offical Portrait of Vishnudeo Sai 2023.jpg' Tushar3011 (talk) 14:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tushar3011 Please show me where did you find that the image is in Public domain. Or show under which license is it uploaded. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 01:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Shaan Sengupta, Bro I find this image from CG Vidhan Sabha website, can't I upload this image like this? Tushar (talk) 18:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tushar3011 No not at all. Every picture is copyrighted. You need to take permission from them via email (which is very unlikely) to use the file. Like only work by Government of India is allowed here. Work by Parliament of India or and Legislative assembly isn't allowed. Please learn copyright and licensing and then only use commons. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 18:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Shaan Sengupta Thanks for this information Bro.

Can I upload any politician's image that I have clicked? Tushar (talk) 18:37, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Only if it contains Metadata that proves that they are clicked by your camera. If Metadata doesn't suggest own work then it will be deleted. Or if it has someone others name then too it will be deleted. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 18:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Shaan Sengupta, Did you click more pictures of other MLAs like Anuj Sharma and Ishwar Sahu at the Chief Minister oath ceremony in Chhattisgarh? Tushar (talk) 19:10, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I did not clicked any images. The images that I uploaded were clicked by photographers hired by the government and uploaded either by PIB or by PMO. They have a license which allows its upload on Commons known as GODL-India therefore they are uploaded. If you see those images they are licensed accordingly. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 19:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

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Subset of another category

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Ok @Mouryan Thank you for the explanation. ShaanSengupta^Talk 03:08, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

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Learn Commons:Licensing before going all these things. ShaanSengupta^Talk 07:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

GODL

Hi, It is really not clear where and when the GODL applies. I requested some people to ask for a lawyer's formal advice. Please see m:Talk:CIS-A2K#GODL and m:Talk:Wikimedia India#GODL. May be you could assist with that. Yann (talk) 09:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Yann I believe you might not need a lawyer advice. Please go through some discussions on Template talk:GODL-India which will help your understand it.

• Template talk:GODL-India#See archived discussions
• Template talk:GODL-India#Use of data from Loksabha, Rajyasbha and Supreme Court websites are covered under GODL licence ?

But if these don't help, I can explain it to you a bit. Any image released by any Ministry of Government of India or by any department that of the ministries (except Ministry of External Affairs, on their website) comes under GODL-India. Works by Election Commission of India, Supreme Court of India and Parliament of India, i.e. Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha are protected by copyright and requires email permission for use. Now there is a exception in the works of Election Commission of India (ECI) and Supreme Court of India (SCI). Majority of the works by SCI are under GODL-India but some come with a disclaimer (which are confidential) like the Gazette Notifications or copies of the orders. Similarly, most of the works by ECI are protected under copyright, but when released by Press Information Bureau (PIB) they come under GODL. Also any work released by PIB on behalf of any department be of Executive or Government or Judiciary or Agencies like Election Commission or Finance Commission are under GODL-India. Any work by the Legislative (Parliament) is not under GODL-India.

Summary

• Works by Government of India and its ministries (except Ministry of External Affairs, only when released on MEA website) are under GODL-India.
• No work by Legislative (Parliament) is under GODL-India. It requires email permission to use. Even if Govt website publishes it, they give a disclaimer that the work is of Parliament, which says email permission needed. Hence not GODL.
• Works by Judiciary that are confidential (like the Gazette notification or judgements and orders) aren't u der GODL. Only general images are under GODL.
• Any work released by Press Information Bureau (PIB) on its website is under GODL-India.

Hope this clears a lot of air. ShaanSengupta^Talk 14:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I already know this, but this was contested by several people. Some people have argued that the scope is larger, others that it only applies to data, and that images are not included. Yann (talk) 15:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Yann There is no way that this only applies to data and not images. Copyright policy stated on PIB website says that contents published on its website may be reproduced free of charge with proper source acknowledgement. We can show this to the people who say that it only applies to data. Here it uses the word content which covers all. Also to clarify my point on Parliament, people upload image by mentioning National Portal Website of Government of India. I will explain by example.

• For example someone uploads image available here. They use GODL saying this is taken from Government website. But they choose to ignore the disclaimer that comes with it. This is the case with most of the violations. Also I found something which might help further. See en:National Data Sharing and Accessibility Policy#Government Open Data License – India. It has some good verified information. ShaanSengupta^Talk 15:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

There's still some areas of confusion. The PIB copyright statement you mention includes the phrase "The material must be reproduced accurately and not used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context." That's been challenged in the past as being incompatible with the licensing requirements. See User_talk:Ravensfire#User:Ravensfire/Goa-Govt. Then also look at Commons:Deletion_requests/Template:Indian_Army where that phrase was okayed. Now which viewpoint is actually correct with regards to Commons licensing? Ravensfire (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The PIB statement uses that phrase for different case. Read Material featured on this website may be reproduced free of charge and there is no need for any prior approval for using the content. The permission to reproduce this material shall not extend to any third-party material. Authorisation to reproduce such material must be obtained from the departments/copyright holders concerned. The material must be reproduced accurately and not used in a derogatory manner or in a misleading context. Wherever the material is being published or issued to others, the source must be prominently acknowledged. The first line deals with our case. When the material is reproduced by any third party then that line comes into play. Regarding the discussion at Indian Army, it is clearly specified that any military insignia, symbols, emblems, logos, ranks and many more things are not free to reproduce. GODL-India is only for Government of India (not state governments) and Judiciary (some special things are protected). Not for Legislative or Armed Forces and some more. ShaanSengupta^Talk 02:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm, I don't think so. Third party material would be something where the government isn't the copyright holder and they would need to be contacted for other use of the material, which would include them setting any restrictions or limitations. The last two sentences refer to the images owned by the government, as those are the ones where they can put restrictions. Logically, it wouldn't make sense for those last two sentences to apply to images outside of their control. Ravensfire (talk) 13:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ravensfire that's what I am saying. According to seperation of powers in India, Legislative and Judiciary are not under Government control. So they dont comes under GODL-India (specified on their websites copyright policy. Also, Armed Forces rights (only the ones specified above) are exclusive to them. Only the work they release via PIB are under GODL-India. PIB never releases any third party in its gallery. Only special cases are released when requested that too under name of PIB Headquarters with specific author. That's the third party probably. I am telling you again its very messy.

• The bottomline is that Works by Government of India and its ministries (except Ministry of External Affairs, only when released on MEA website) are under GODL-India. No work by Legislative (Parliament) is under GODL-India. It requires email permission to use. Even if Govt website publishes it, they give a disclaimer that the work is of Parliament, which says email permission needed. Hence not GODL. Works by Judiciary that are confidential (like the Gazette notification or judgements and orders) aren't under GODL. Only general images are under GODL. No work by any of the state governments is under GODL-India. Any work released by Press Information Bureau (PIB) on its website (except third party) is under GODL-India. ShaanSengupta^Talk 13:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)