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Latest comment: 5 years ago by Rodhullandemu in topic «Don't disturb Wikipedia. Thanks.» Srsly?

The upload script no longer takes the date given as the original photograph date

Latest comment: 5 years ago23 comments13 people in discussion
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T219357

I scan a lot of old slides. As far as I am able I fill in a date 'taken on'. I cannot always be precise but it is more usefull than the scan date. Before the upload script used the photograph date and I changed the date to the (in)precision needed. The file manager on my PC alway insist on a complete date, but most times I only use the month and year the slide was developed. (sometimes only the year is certain and on some slides there is no indication at all)

Why was this changed?Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

PS: i added a artwork catalog URL to Category:Art in MIVB stationSmiley.toerist (talk) 11:47, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

I think he/she is talking about the UploadWizard. The wizard has changed so that the prepopulated datefield uses the date and time when the file was modified instead of the date and time the photograph was taken on. --Estormiz (talk) 14:08, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
@Smiley.toerist, Jmabel, and Estormiz: That is a bad change. We rely on the "date" field to contain the date and time the photograph was taken. Is there a phabricator ticket for undoing that change?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
I agree it's a bad change, but I pretty much never go near the Upload Wizard, so I'm not the one to follow this up. - Jmabel ! talk 16:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
* Somebody please revert the UploadWizard script to the previous version. The current one forces an extra edit like this. I think it is devastating enough to make the whole community to crush. --トトト (talk) 03:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I filed phab:T219357 (in general, if bugs are not reported on Phabricator, they won’t get onto the radar of developers).
  • Is it confirmed this everyone here is talking about the UploadWizard? (please let’s not talk about « the upload script », that’s like the less descriptive naming possible :-) ).
  • Since when is the problem happening?
  • @Smiley.toerist: Can you clarify what you mean by « used the photograph date » − is that an EXIF field or smth else?
Jean-Fred (talk) 09:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
It's been happening since ca March 22, I think? And no fix has been visible yet. An edit like this is still necessary. If somebody uploads a file via UploadWizard, it consumes another user's 5 - 10 minutes for correcting its date field. If the problem persists forever, it means the end of the commuity. --トトト (talk) 10:59, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

This makes me frequently "copy date" from the original to copy and remove the original from UploadWizard, and I don't know the purpose of this change either. --N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 01:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

another reason to stop using upload wizard, use Pattypan instead. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 02:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Reading T219357, this could be a fantasy problem as nothing has been identified that would introduce the bug. It might help if someone added some screen shots and could reliably reproduce the claimed functionality. --Fæ (talk) 09:42, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

This was already tracked at phab:T219331, and a fix has already been merged. Jean-Fred (talk) 14:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Bug confirmed. This picture was taken on 2019-03-01 and uploaded with the upload wizard. 2019-03-11 was the date of modification. -- Herby (Vienna) (talk) 19:09, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist: The fix for this should go out April 3rd. Kaldari (talk) 22:04, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Still there's no change as of 3 April.--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 14:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

And the fix has not yet been implemented after 3 April.--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 00:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Did the wikimedia foundation intentionally change the UploadWizard script? If so, for what purposes? Is an edit like this necessary for ever ? --トトト (talk) 13:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

The problem is still not fixed today, 6 April! -- MJJR (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

It seemed that this bug has affected a wider range of users.--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 00:59, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Finally fixed (pending confirmation of other users)--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 15:13, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Help me on this image copyrights.

Latest comment: 5 years ago10 comments5 people in discussion

I am trying to edit this page en:Megan Crosson

The Megan personally provided me an image to be inserted in her wiki page. this is the image https://www.flickr.com/photos/145866906@N04/46532630115/

also, Megan told me that this is his own photo (he own the rights and carry the appropriate license to issue on Wikipedia) Can I insert that Photo in her Wiki article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mubashar44 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

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@Marcus Cyron: Is this the same photo you deleted as File:Megan Crosson.jpg?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:45, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
No. The image I've deletes was from a professional portrait fotoshoot, not from a game or training. Marcus Cyron (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
@Marcus Cyron: Thanks. However, I doubt that she took that photo of herself that she uploaded to Flickr.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I would say no to that image, as to me that flickr account looks very suspicious - it's a single-purpose account, and several images have watermarks from different photographers. The best thing to do would have Ms Crosson use the OTRS method to confirm that she holds rights to the image. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Mattbuck, I agree in your conclusion that Megan Crosson should use OTRS and either assure that she is the copyright owner of the image in question or otherwise get in contact with the photographer who has to give permission then. But what is suspicious? It’s her own Flickr account – it may show, though, that she may not have an idea of potential copyright issues. Mubashar44, physical ownership of an image copy on paper or as file is not the same like being the owner of copyright. Only the latter is the one that matters for Commons. If Megan cannot assure that she is the owner, and also get no permission by the photographer it may be possible to upload the file to the English Wikipedia (i.e. not Commons) under fair use conditions, but you should ask there. — Speravir – 01:23, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Speravir, it's suspicious because we do not know that it is her flickr account. What it is an account with many photos of her culled from several different sources - you see these all the time for celebrities. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Mattbuck, but the TO wrote that she herself pointed her/him to this photo on Flickr!? So, this account must at least be operated with her consent, I think. — Speravir – 01:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Speravir fair point, but I'd still add that account to the banned list on the grounds of obvious copying of others' images. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. — Speravir – 22:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

"Category:Israel by year"

Latest comment: 5 years ago15 comments5 people in discussion

Presently, Category:Israel by year have a lot of categories before 1948. This is IMO, absurd, as Israel did not exist before 1948. I suggest that we move all those between 1920 and 1948 to Category:British Mandate of Palestine by year, and those before 1920 to Category:Ottoman Syria by year.

Comments? Huldra (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

The same should apply to subcategories of Category:Palestine by year before 1988.--Shlomo (talk) 23:47, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Actually, I (mostly) agree! The question is when it comes to the pictures between 1948 and 1988; I think we must discuss that further. (Where should those pictures of the West Bank 1948–1967 go? And where should the pictures of the West Bank 1967–1988 go?) But those before 1948 should definitely go into the Category:British Mandate of Palestine by year, and the ones before 1920 into the Category:Ottoman Syria etc, just like those of Category:Israel by year, before 1948, Huldra (talk) 23:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Mind you, there's Category:Palestine by year and Category:Palestinian territories by year. --HyperGaruda (talk) 05:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
The Kingdom of Israel existed long before 1948.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 04:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
This is tricky, and I understand how in this case it is particularly loaded; on the other hand, we routinely use present-day country (and smaller administrative unit) names to refer to present territory rather than territory at the time of an image. For example, we have a bunch of "...in Washington (state)" categories for the period when Washington was either part of the Oregon Territory or was a territory (but not a state) in its own right. - Jmabel ! talk 08:09, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
On the other hand, we have Category:Königsberg in the 1920s which is categorized as a city in Germany, not in Russia… Also, we have categories like Category:Yugoslavia by year, Category:Czechoslovakia by year or Category:Soviet Union by year, which certainly do not refer to their present territory.--Shlomo (talk) 09:04, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, seeing categories like "Israel in the 1880s" is a bit absurd, IMO. It also looks as if it is mostly files relating to the Jewish community at the time. (In the 1880s about 5% of the population of present Israel/Palestine were Jewish.)
There is a name for those, namely en:Yishuv, and it actually has its Category:HaYishuv by decade. Perhaps all the Category:Israel by year before 1948 could go into the corresponding "HaYishuv by year"? Comments? Huldra (talk) 20:35, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
@Huldra: I'd have no problem with that. - Jmabel ! talk 21:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Ok, if I hear no objections, I will start moving the Ottoman "Category:Israel by year" files into the correct "HaYishuv_by_year" cat in a day or so. Then do the same for Category:British Mandate of Palestine by year, Huldra (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I would think, though, that HaYishuv categories should be used only for things related to the Jewish community in the region, not to everything that happens to be in the region. A picture of an Ottoman government building in Jerusalem in 1905 or an Arab person in Hebron in 1939 certainly does not belong in a HaYishuv category. Does anyone disagree with that? - Jmabel ! talk 01:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
I absolutely agree. I just came across this (changing it from "Category:1929 in HaYishuv" to "Category:1929 in the British Mandate of Palestine"). The Nashashibi Family is one of the leading Palestinian families in Jerusalem, having that as part of "Category:1929 in HaYishuv" is absurd. We should probably go systematically through all those "Category:xxxx in HaYishuv" and see if it shouldn't be in the "greater" category, Huldra (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I need help here. Does anyone know how we can change Template:Haifayear? Please see Template talk:Haifayear, Huldra (talk) 21:40, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@Huldra: I replied there.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 22:15, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, well, I was looking for someone who actually dares to edit that template....the text of it terrifies me! Huldra (talk) 22:44, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

«Don't disturb Wikipedia. Thanks.» Srsly?

Latest comment: 5 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T220164

When clicking on {{GeoGroup}} from this cat page (and from a few others like it, too), I got just now this error message — «Don't disturb Wikipedia. Thanks.» in big bold letters on an otherwise empty, unformatted page. I appreciate that not all functions can be running at all times and I'm always partial to the informal, the witty, the geekish — but this just feels obnoxious. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 04:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

It seems some tool borked. Yann (talk) 16:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
This is disappointing. It's been like this for nearly two weeks, and obviously they are aware of the problem. osm4wiki is a very useful tool in the work I do, so when it doesn't work it's unhelpful to have to keep a list of backlog checks to do. As a volunteer myself I understand that activities are somewhat by choice, but I do believe in customer service. An eta or at least some indication that the issue is under consideration would be more considerate. Rodhullandemu (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

The upload script no longer takes the date given as the original photograph date

Latest comment: 5 years ago23 comments13 people in discussion
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T219357

I scan a lot of old slides. As far as I am able I fill in a date 'taken on'. I cannot always be precise but it is more usefull than the scan date. Before the upload script used the photograph date and I changed the date to the (in)precision needed. The file manager on my PC alway insist on a complete date, but most times I only use the month and year the slide was developed. (sometimes only the year is certain and on some slides there is no indication at all)

Why was this changed?Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

PS: i added a artwork catalog URL to Category:Art in MIVB stationSmiley.toerist (talk) 11:47, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

I think he/she is talking about the UploadWizard. The wizard has changed so that the prepopulated datefield uses the date and time when the file was modified instead of the date and time the photograph was taken on. --Estormiz (talk) 14:08, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
@Smiley.toerist, Jmabel, and Estormiz: That is a bad change. We rely on the "date" field to contain the date and time the photograph was taken. Is there a phabricator ticket for undoing that change?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
I agree it's a bad change, but I pretty much never go near the Upload Wizard, so I'm not the one to follow this up. - Jmabel ! talk 16:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
* Somebody please revert the UploadWizard script to the previous version. The current one forces an extra edit like this. I think it is devastating enough to make the whole community to crush. --トトト (talk) 03:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I filed phab:T219357 (in general, if bugs are not reported on Phabricator, they won’t get onto the radar of developers).
  • Is it confirmed this everyone here is talking about the UploadWizard? (please let’s not talk about « the upload script », that’s like the less descriptive naming possible :-) ).
  • Since when is the problem happening?
  • @Smiley.toerist: Can you clarify what you mean by « used the photograph date » − is that an EXIF field or smth else?
Jean-Fred (talk) 09:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
It's been happening since ca March 22, I think? And no fix has been visible yet. An edit like this is still necessary. If somebody uploads a file via UploadWizard, it consumes another user's 5 - 10 minutes for correcting its date field. If the problem persists forever, it means the end of the commuity. --トトト (talk) 10:59, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

This makes me frequently "copy date" from the original to copy and remove the original from UploadWizard, and I don't know the purpose of this change either. --N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 01:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

another reason to stop using upload wizard, use Pattypan instead. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 02:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Reading T219357, this could be a fantasy problem as nothing has been identified that would introduce the bug. It might help if someone added some screen shots and could reliably reproduce the claimed functionality. --Fæ (talk) 09:42, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

This was already tracked at phab:T219331, and a fix has already been merged. Jean-Fred (talk) 14:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Bug confirmed. This picture was taken on 2019-03-01 and uploaded with the upload wizard. 2019-03-11 was the date of modification. -- Herby (Vienna) (talk) 19:09, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist: The fix for this should go out April 3rd. Kaldari (talk) 22:04, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Still there's no change as of 3 April.--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 14:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

And the fix has not yet been implemented after 3 April.--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 00:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Did the wikimedia foundation intentionally change the UploadWizard script? If so, for what purposes? Is an edit like this necessary for ever ? --トトト (talk) 13:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

The problem is still not fixed today, 6 April! -- MJJR (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

It seemed that this bug has affected a wider range of users.--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 00:59, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Finally fixed (pending confirmation of other users)--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 15:13, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Help me on this image copyrights.

Latest comment: 5 years ago10 comments5 people in discussion

I am trying to edit this page en:Megan Crosson

The Megan personally provided me an image to be inserted in her wiki page. this is the image https://www.flickr.com/photos/145866906@N04/46532630115/

also, Megan told me that this is his own photo (he own the rights and carry the appropriate license to issue on Wikipedia) Can I insert that Photo in her Wiki article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mubashar44 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

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@Marcus Cyron: Is this the same photo you deleted as File:Megan Crosson.jpg?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:45, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
No. The image I've deletes was from a professional portrait fotoshoot, not from a game or training. Marcus Cyron (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
@Marcus Cyron: Thanks. However, I doubt that she took that photo of herself that she uploaded to Flickr.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I would say no to that image, as to me that flickr account looks very suspicious - it's a single-purpose account, and several images have watermarks from different photographers. The best thing to do would have Ms Crosson use the OTRS method to confirm that she holds rights to the image. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Mattbuck, I agree in your conclusion that Megan Crosson should use OTRS and either assure that she is the copyright owner of the image in question or otherwise get in contact with the photographer who has to give permission then. But what is suspicious? It’s her own Flickr account – it may show, though, that she may not have an idea of potential copyright issues. Mubashar44, physical ownership of an image copy on paper or as file is not the same like being the owner of copyright. Only the latter is the one that matters for Commons. If Megan cannot assure that she is the owner, and also get no permission by the photographer it may be possible to upload the file to the English Wikipedia (i.e. not Commons) under fair use conditions, but you should ask there. — Speravir – 01:23, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Speravir, it's suspicious because we do not know that it is her flickr account. What it is an account with many photos of her culled from several different sources - you see these all the time for celebrities. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Mattbuck, but the TO wrote that she herself pointed her/him to this photo on Flickr!? So, this account must at least be operated with her consent, I think. — Speravir – 01:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Speravir fair point, but I'd still add that account to the banned list on the grounds of obvious copying of others' images. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. — Speravir – 22:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

"Category:Israel by year"

Latest comment: 5 years ago15 comments5 people in discussion

Presently, Category:Israel by year have a lot of categories before 1948. This is IMO, absurd, as Israel did not exist before 1948. I suggest that we move all those between 1920 and 1948 to Category:British Mandate of Palestine by year, and those before 1920 to Category:Ottoman Syria by year.

Comments? Huldra (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

The same should apply to subcategories of Category:Palestine by year before 1988.--Shlomo (talk) 23:47, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Actually, I (mostly) agree! The question is when it comes to the pictures between 1948 and 1988; I think we must discuss that further. (Where should those pictures of the West Bank 1948–1967 go? And where should the pictures of the West Bank 1967–1988 go?) But those before 1948 should definitely go into the Category:British Mandate of Palestine by year, and the ones before 1920 into the Category:Ottoman Syria etc, just like those of Category:Israel by year, before 1948, Huldra (talk) 23:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Mind you, there's Category:Palestine by year and Category:Palestinian territories by year. --HyperGaruda (talk) 05:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
The Kingdom of Israel existed long before 1948.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 04:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
This is tricky, and I understand how in this case it is particularly loaded; on the other hand, we routinely use present-day country (and smaller administrative unit) names to refer to present territory rather than territory at the time of an image. For example, we have a bunch of "...in Washington (state)" categories for the period when Washington was either part of the Oregon Territory or was a territory (but not a state) in its own right. - Jmabel ! talk 08:09, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
On the other hand, we have Category:Königsberg in the 1920s which is categorized as a city in Germany, not in Russia… Also, we have categories like Category:Yugoslavia by year, Category:Czechoslovakia by year or Category:Soviet Union by year, which certainly do not refer to their present territory.--Shlomo (talk) 09:04, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, seeing categories like "Israel in the 1880s" is a bit absurd, IMO. It also looks as if it is mostly files relating to the Jewish community at the time. (In the 1880s about 5% of the population of present Israel/Palestine were Jewish.)
There is a name for those, namely en:Yishuv, and it actually has its Category:HaYishuv by decade. Perhaps all the Category:Israel by year before 1948 could go into the corresponding "HaYishuv by year"? Comments? Huldra (talk) 20:35, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
@Huldra: I'd have no problem with that. - Jmabel ! talk 21:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Ok, if I hear no objections, I will start moving the Ottoman "Category:Israel by year" files into the correct "HaYishuv_by_year" cat in a day or so. Then do the same for Category:British Mandate of Palestine by year, Huldra (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I would think, though, that HaYishuv categories should be used only for things related to the Jewish community in the region, not to everything that happens to be in the region. A picture of an Ottoman government building in Jerusalem in 1905 or an Arab person in Hebron in 1939 certainly does not belong in a HaYishuv category. Does anyone disagree with that? - Jmabel ! talk 01:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
I absolutely agree. I just came across this (changing it from "Category:1929 in HaYishuv" to "Category:1929 in the British Mandate of Palestine"). The Nashashibi Family is one of the leading Palestinian families in Jerusalem, having that as part of "Category:1929 in HaYishuv" is absurd. We should probably go systematically through all those "Category:xxxx in HaYishuv" and see if it shouldn't be in the "greater" category, Huldra (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I need help here. Does anyone know how we can change Template:Haifayear? Please see Template talk:Haifayear, Huldra (talk) 21:40, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@Huldra: I replied there.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 22:15, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, well, I was looking for someone who actually dares to edit that template....the text of it terrifies me! Huldra (talk) 22:44, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

«Don't disturb Wikipedia. Thanks.» Srsly?

Latest comment: 5 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T220164

When clicking on {{GeoGroup}} from this cat page (and from a few others like it, too), I got just now this error message — «Don't disturb Wikipedia. Thanks.» in big bold letters on an otherwise empty, unformatted page. I appreciate that not all functions can be running at all times and I'm always partial to the informal, the witty, the geekish — but this just feels obnoxious. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 04:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

It seems some tool borked. Yann (talk) 16:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
This is disappointing. It's been like this for nearly two weeks, and obviously they are aware of the problem. osm4wiki is a very useful tool in the work I do, so when it doesn't work it's unhelpful to have to keep a list of backlog checks to do. As a volunteer myself I understand that activities are somewhat by choice, but I do believe in customer service. An eta or at least some indication that the issue is under consideration would be more considerate. Rodhullandemu (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

The upload script no longer takes the date given as the original photograph date

Latest comment: 5 years ago23 comments13 people in discussion
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T219357

I scan a lot of old slides. As far as I am able I fill in a date 'taken on'. I cannot always be precise but it is more usefull than the scan date. Before the upload script used the photograph date and I changed the date to the (in)precision needed. The file manager on my PC alway insist on a complete date, but most times I only use the month and year the slide was developed. (sometimes only the year is certain and on some slides there is no indication at all)

Why was this changed?Smiley.toerist (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

PS: i added a artwork catalog URL to Category:Art in MIVB stationSmiley.toerist (talk) 11:47, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

I think he/she is talking about the UploadWizard. The wizard has changed so that the prepopulated datefield uses the date and time when the file was modified instead of the date and time the photograph was taken on. --Estormiz (talk) 14:08, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
@Smiley.toerist, Jmabel, and Estormiz: That is a bad change. We rely on the "date" field to contain the date and time the photograph was taken. Is there a phabricator ticket for undoing that change?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
I agree it's a bad change, but I pretty much never go near the Upload Wizard, so I'm not the one to follow this up. - Jmabel ! talk 16:34, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
* Somebody please revert the UploadWizard script to the previous version. The current one forces an extra edit like this. I think it is devastating enough to make the whole community to crush. --トトト (talk) 03:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
I filed phab:T219357 (in general, if bugs are not reported on Phabricator, they won’t get onto the radar of developers).
  • Is it confirmed this everyone here is talking about the UploadWizard? (please let’s not talk about « the upload script », that’s like the less descriptive naming possible :-) ).
  • Since when is the problem happening?
  • @Smiley.toerist: Can you clarify what you mean by « used the photograph date » − is that an EXIF field or smth else?
Jean-Fred (talk) 09:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
It's been happening since ca March 22, I think? And no fix has been visible yet. An edit like this is still necessary. If somebody uploads a file via UploadWizard, it consumes another user's 5 - 10 minutes for correcting its date field. If the problem persists forever, it means the end of the commuity. --トトト (talk) 10:59, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

This makes me frequently "copy date" from the original to copy and remove the original from UploadWizard, and I don't know the purpose of this change either. --N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 01:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

another reason to stop using upload wizard, use Pattypan instead. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 02:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Reading T219357, this could be a fantasy problem as nothing has been identified that would introduce the bug. It might help if someone added some screen shots and could reliably reproduce the claimed functionality. --Fæ (talk) 09:42, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

This was already tracked at phab:T219331, and a fix has already been merged. Jean-Fred (talk) 14:11, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Bug confirmed. This picture was taken on 2019-03-01 and uploaded with the upload wizard. 2019-03-11 was the date of modification. -- Herby (Vienna) (talk) 19:09, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Smiley.toerist: The fix for this should go out April 3rd. Kaldari (talk) 22:04, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Still there's no change as of 3 April.--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 14:49, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

And the fix has not yet been implemented after 3 April.--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 00:21, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Did the wikimedia foundation intentionally change the UploadWizard script? If so, for what purposes? Is an edit like this necessary for ever ? --トトト (talk) 13:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

The problem is still not fixed today, 6 April! -- MJJR (talk) 21:35, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

It seemed that this bug has affected a wider range of users.--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 00:59, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Finally fixed (pending confirmation of other users)--N509FZ Talk 前置，有座！Front engine with seats! 15:13, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Help me on this image copyrights.

Latest comment: 5 years ago10 comments5 people in discussion

I am trying to edit this page en:Megan Crosson

The Megan personally provided me an image to be inserted in her wiki page. this is the image https://www.flickr.com/photos/145866906@N04/46532630115/

also, Megan told me that this is his own photo (he own the rights and carry the appropriate license to issue on Wikipedia) Can I insert that Photo in her Wiki article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mubashar44 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

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@Marcus Cyron: Is this the same photo you deleted as File:Megan Crosson.jpg?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:45, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
No. The image I've deletes was from a professional portrait fotoshoot, not from a game or training. Marcus Cyron (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
@Marcus Cyron: Thanks. However, I doubt that she took that photo of herself that she uploaded to Flickr.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
I would say no to that image, as to me that flickr account looks very suspicious - it's a single-purpose account, and several images have watermarks from different photographers. The best thing to do would have Ms Crosson use the OTRS method to confirm that she holds rights to the image. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Mattbuck, I agree in your conclusion that Megan Crosson should use OTRS and either assure that she is the copyright owner of the image in question or otherwise get in contact with the photographer who has to give permission then. But what is suspicious? It’s her own Flickr account – it may show, though, that she may not have an idea of potential copyright issues. Mubashar44, physical ownership of an image copy on paper or as file is not the same like being the owner of copyright. Only the latter is the one that matters for Commons. If Megan cannot assure that she is the owner, and also get no permission by the photographer it may be possible to upload the file to the English Wikipedia (i.e. not Commons) under fair use conditions, but you should ask there. — Speravir – 01:23, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Speravir, it's suspicious because we do not know that it is her flickr account. What it is an account with many photos of her culled from several different sources - you see these all the time for celebrities. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:58, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Mattbuck, but the TO wrote that she herself pointed her/him to this photo on Flickr!? So, this account must at least be operated with her consent, I think. — Speravir – 01:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Speravir fair point, but I'd still add that account to the banned list on the grounds of obvious copying of others' images. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:51, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
OK, fair enough. — Speravir – 22:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

"Category:Israel by year"

Latest comment: 5 years ago15 comments5 people in discussion

Presently, Category:Israel by year have a lot of categories before 1948. This is IMO, absurd, as Israel did not exist before 1948. I suggest that we move all those between 1920 and 1948 to Category:British Mandate of Palestine by year, and those before 1920 to Category:Ottoman Syria by year.

Comments? Huldra (talk) 23:23, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

The same should apply to subcategories of Category:Palestine by year before 1988.--Shlomo (talk) 23:47, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Actually, I (mostly) agree! The question is when it comes to the pictures between 1948 and 1988; I think we must discuss that further. (Where should those pictures of the West Bank 1948–1967 go? And where should the pictures of the West Bank 1967–1988 go?) But those before 1948 should definitely go into the Category:British Mandate of Palestine by year, and the ones before 1920 into the Category:Ottoman Syria etc, just like those of Category:Israel by year, before 1948, Huldra (talk) 23:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
Mind you, there's Category:Palestine by year and Category:Palestinian territories by year. --HyperGaruda (talk) 05:17, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
The Kingdom of Israel existed long before 1948.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 04:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
This is tricky, and I understand how in this case it is particularly loaded; on the other hand, we routinely use present-day country (and smaller administrative unit) names to refer to present territory rather than territory at the time of an image. For example, we have a bunch of "...in Washington (state)" categories for the period when Washington was either part of the Oregon Territory or was a territory (but not a state) in its own right. - Jmabel ! talk 08:09, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
On the other hand, we have Category:Königsberg in the 1920s which is categorized as a city in Germany, not in Russia… Also, we have categories like Category:Yugoslavia by year, Category:Czechoslovakia by year or Category:Soviet Union by year, which certainly do not refer to their present territory.--Shlomo (talk) 09:04, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, seeing categories like "Israel in the 1880s" is a bit absurd, IMO. It also looks as if it is mostly files relating to the Jewish community at the time. (In the 1880s about 5% of the population of present Israel/Palestine were Jewish.)
There is a name for those, namely en:Yishuv, and it actually has its Category:HaYishuv by decade. Perhaps all the Category:Israel by year before 1948 could go into the corresponding "HaYishuv by year"? Comments? Huldra (talk) 20:35, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
@Huldra: I'd have no problem with that. - Jmabel ! talk 21:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Ok, if I hear no objections, I will start moving the Ottoman "Category:Israel by year" files into the correct "HaYishuv_by_year" cat in a day or so. Then do the same for Category:British Mandate of Palestine by year, Huldra (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
I would think, though, that HaYishuv categories should be used only for things related to the Jewish community in the region, not to everything that happens to be in the region. A picture of an Ottoman government building in Jerusalem in 1905 or an Arab person in Hebron in 1939 certainly does not belong in a HaYishuv category. Does anyone disagree with that? - Jmabel ! talk 01:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
I absolutely agree. I just came across this (changing it from "Category:1929 in HaYishuv" to "Category:1929 in the British Mandate of Palestine"). The Nashashibi Family is one of the leading Palestinian families in Jerusalem, having that as part of "Category:1929 in HaYishuv" is absurd. We should probably go systematically through all those "Category:xxxx in HaYishuv" and see if it shouldn't be in the "greater" category, Huldra (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok, I need help here. Does anyone know how we can change Template:Haifayear? Please see Template talk:Haifayear, Huldra (talk) 21:40, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@Huldra: I replied there.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 22:15, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, well, I was looking for someone who actually dares to edit that template....the text of it terrifies me! Huldra (talk) 22:44, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

April 17

«Don't disturb Wikipedia. Thanks.» Srsly?

Latest comment: 5 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T220164

When clicking on {{GeoGroup}} from this cat page (and from a few others like it, too), I got just now this error message — «Don't disturb Wikipedia. Thanks.» in big bold letters on an otherwise empty, unformatted page. I appreciate that not all functions can be running at all times and I'm always partial to the informal, the witty, the geekish — but this just feels obnoxious. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 04:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

It seems some tool borked. Yann (talk) 16:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
This is disappointing. It's been like this for nearly two weeks, and obviously they are aware of the problem. osm4wiki is a very useful tool in the work I do, so when it doesn't work it's unhelpful to have to keep a list of backlog checks to do. As a volunteer myself I understand that activities are somewhat by choice, but I do believe in customer service. An eta or at least some indication that the issue is under consideration would be more considerate. Rodhullandemu (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

April 18

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