Category talk:Gastronomy

Gastronomy

• It has been suggested that this page or section be merged into Cuisine.
• If you disagree, discuss, this is the purpose of the merge template
  • gastronomy definition is no cuisine for all world
  • wikipedia is world definition, gastronomy for Slovakia , Czech Republic, Polish, Hungary is no definition Cuisisne
  • is linked cuisine
  • but this expression and the industry! is different from definition of cuisine.
    • Gastronomy in our country industry is (and in other), perhaps you are just part of the kitchen.--Tom778 (talk) 08:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Category:Gastronomy in wikipedia Languages

• Aragonés * Asturianu * বাংলা * Català * Česky * Deutsch * Ελληνικά * Esperanto * Español * Euskara * Français * Magyar * Bahasa Indonesia * Íslenska * Italiano * 日本語 * Lëtzebuergesch * Nederlands * Occitan * Português * Română * Slovenčina * Svenska * Türkçe

• • an:Categoría:Gastronomía * ast:Categoría:Gastronomía * bn:বিষয়শ্রেণী:রন্ধনপ্রণালী * ca:Categoria:Gastronomia * cs:Kategorie:Gastronomie * de:Kategorie:Gastronomie * el:Κατηγορία:Γαστρονομία * eo:Kategorio:Gastronomio * es:Categoría:Gastronomía * eu:Kategoria:Gastronomia * fr:Catégorie:Gastronomie * hu:Kategória:Gasztronómia * id:Kategori:Masakan * is:Flokkur:Matur * it:Categoria:Gastronomia * ja:Category:料理 lb:Kategorie:Gastronomie * nl:Categorie:Culinaire keuken * oc:Categoria:Gastronomia * pt:Categoria:Gastronomia * ro:Categorie:Gastronomie * sk:Kategória:Gastronómia * sv:Kategori:Matkultur * tr:Kategori:Gastronomi
• Category:Gastronomy is in 25 wikipedia Languages--Tom778 (talk) 09:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Some clarifications. First {{delete}}, {{move}} and {{merge}} templates serve to start the discussion. They are only to be removed when there is a conclusion on the debate. Because you are probably not aware of that, I had to protect the page.

As you can see in for example User_talk:Foroa/archive_2008#Category:Cuisine_by_country_changes and on many other places, there have been several attempts to merge the category:cuisine by country and category:food by country categories, precisely because it is not easy to keep them separate, so the differences are already too subtle for many Commons contributors.

If you read carefully the definitions on food, en:cuisine and en:Gastronomy (and on the connected wikipedia's), you will notice that cuisine on commons is not concerning the kitchen itself (otherwise the category would be called kitchens), but about the daily, cultural and "arty" aspects of preparing food, in other words, about gastronomy. So, I am convinced that gastronomy is a subset of cuisine, but the differences are so subtle that nobody will manage to keep them apart. Of course, if you can commplement the food and cuisine definitions with a gastronomy definition that clearly stands out, then the merge should not be needed. --Foroa (talk) 09:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

It is true that gastronomy exists in more languages than cuisine, but cuisine is a slightly wider and popular definition in which one can easily slip al activities around the cuisine, such as waiters, food tools, dishes (popular dishes are not necessarily gastronomy). --Foroa (talk) 09:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:

• Sk - Food (:sk:potravina) and Food (:sk:jedlo) definition is different though related. So it is with Gastronomy. Cooking, Cuisine, from sk, cs, pl, hu, - example :cs:Gastronomie--> Kategorie:Příprava jídla / Vaření (Category:Cooking techniques / cooking), Gastronomie--> Kategorie:Kuchyně podle zemí (en:Category:Cuisine by nationality, fr:Catégorie:Gastronomie par pays), Gastronomie--> Kategorie:Potraviny (foods), Gastronomie--> Kategorie:Jídlo (foods) and not vice versa. There are so subtle differences. This was one of the reasons established categories. I did not base these categories - cs (Kategorie:Gastronomie - history). For sk yes - category, but I did not base page - (Gastronómia - history). But there are 25 wikipedia Languages Category:Gastronomy and not all languages are the differences so subtle as the en. Therefore, I also returned - merged. --Tom778 (talk) 10:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Who is Discuss

It has been suggested that this page or section be merged into Cuisine. (Discuss). User Foroa proposed merger and there is a written discussion where is the debate?.I explained to him that gastronomia throughout svetete is kitchen. In some countries, the definition includes gastronomia kitchen. In template Mergeto is Discuss - which is based on discussion in the event of such template?--Tom778 (talk) 10:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Aha, i noticed that User Foroa it gave the following

• {{Mergeto|Cuisine|Differences are too subtle to be understood}}
  • template view in Category:Gastronomy - It has been suggested that this page or section be merged into Cuisine. (Discuss) - (Discuss to create).
    • I assumed that (Discuss) create discuss merger or Category talk:Gastronomy--Tom778 (talk) 10:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

School of Gastronomy

• Please enlarge pictures:
  • Tech Gastro ZS1 wielun1.jpg - [File:Tech Gastro ZS1 wielun1.jpg]
  • File:Tech Gastro ZS1 wielun2.JPG [File:Tech Gastro ZS1 wielun2.JPG]
  • File:Tech Gastro ZS1 wielun2.jpg [File:Tech Gastro ZS1 wielun2.jpg]
  • File:Vrbova str, Prague Braník.jpg [File:Vrbova str, Prague Braník.jpg]

• google School of Gastronomy - no course:
  • gastronomická škola
  • Gastronomiczna Szkoła--Tom778 (talk) 03:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
  • fr- for example: L’Académie culinaire Internationale [1], École Gastronomique
  • it- for example: Università di Scienze Gastronomiche [2]
  • es- for example: Escuela de Gastronomía, The Escuela de Gastronomía Mexicana [3]
  • and the other schools in other countries (not gourmet courses, but schools) - Category:Gastronomy. --Tom778 (talk) 04:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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• Università di Scienze Gastronomiche:
  • File:Unisg licensed.jpg
  • File:Università Scienze Gastronomiche (esterno).jpg
  • File:Università Scienze Gastronomiche (interno).jpg--Tom778 (talk) 10:09, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Why interference Category:Gastronomy?

Why is repealed Category:Gastronomy? Cuisine is similar but slightly different meaning - see also above discussion.

• Wikipedia is about to 24 articles gastronomy in different languaes.
• In some countries is Category:Gastronomy dining and serving part of gastronomy -

in this area are based on the book. (for example: de: Hans Tapper - Der schön gedeckte tische, ISBN 3806842469 [4], cs: google - stolování)

• There are gastronomy schools and Univerzite. (see also above discussion == School of Gastronomy ==, which User:Foroa blurs the categories of. for enlarge pictures School boards can be seen
• Why then deleting? - Category:Gastronomy-->redirect Cuisine Category:Gastronomy dining and serving, Category:Gastronomy occupation.
• Is in languages cs, pl, sk a different meaning--Tom778 (talk) 09:59, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The English word gastronomy has a very different meaning from, e.g., the German Gastronomie (which means that the interwikilinks from en: to de: and vice versa are wrong and misleading). Gastronomie in German (and possibly many other languages) does not mean cultural discussion of food but means "anything to do with food and drinks served commercially". More like "catering" or "restaurant and tavern business". I guess there is no really good translation to English. To merge the categories would be totaly wrong, thoug. Gastronomie is not = gastronomy and hence is not = cuisine, not at all. If you must, rename the gastronomy category, but please do not simply merge. --05:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)