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The beak is just about okay, but not the crest above, nor the eyes, nor even the crest around the neck. The focus is really further away, probably because the bird was moving forward. Or because the focus point was not adequately targeted -- Basile Morin (talk) 02:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment A striking snapshot, but unfortunately the technical quality is inadequate. I wonder why the image received QI status when head and eyes are not in focus. -- Radomianin (talk) 09:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for asking, Charles. As for dissenting votes, I prefer to use them very thoughtfully. If possible, I try to convey my opinion with a comment or, if in doubt, a neutral vote. However, if it's necessary to prevent a promotion in the interest of common consensus, I do so - as in this example. Best regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 21:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand. But your policy, whilst it avoids creating enemies, skews nominations in favour of promotion. I have had to give up opposing nominations except in exceptional circumstances (e.g. ethics), so I have also stopped supporting excellent nominations which is a shame. The general enmity and frequent hostility from other users made my life too stressful, so I can see where you are coming from. Unfortunately, it is not possible to hide the identity of voters. Charlesjsharp (talk) 09:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many thanks for your thoughts, Charles. I think a detailed, reasoned dissenting vote is very valuable to be constructive for the image and the photographer. However, a constructive comment can be equally helpful in not scaring off new talent. An offer of help can also rescue a nomination. Because FPC thrives on diversity, which is not always the case. I have also learned a lot on this forum over the years, and yet I can't get enough of participating regularly and enjoying the contributions of fellow users. Speaking only for myself, it may not always be easy, but as in real life, learning from mistakes strengthens your skills and ultimately your level of confidence. Best, -- Radomianin (talk) 10:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many thanks for your comment, El Golli Mohamed. I didn't know about that, and I'm sorry that there were differences. If I may express my humble opinion in general, perhaps past misunderstandings should be settled in respectful agreement in order to look forward to the future unencumbered. Best regards, -- Radomianin (talk) 11:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Charlesjsharp and El Golli Mohamed: Thank you for letting me know, Charles. I was not aware of the incident, but I found the relevant entry. Please allow me to share my opinion as an outsider: It is not okay to insult, El Golli Mohamed. It is also not okay to feel provoked or to provoke. We should always remember the principle of assuming good intentions. If someone feels provoked, it might be a good idea to wait a bit before responding calmly. I think it would be appropriate for you to settle your differences, perhaps with an apology. What is the point of remembering past incidents? I'm sure you're both friendly and outgoing people in real life, so you should look to the future and not lose focus on the main goal of our presence here: Working together to build a valuable media library for reusers. Best, -- Radomianin (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You can take a look at my Cream-coloured Courser's nomination. You will understand. A kind of unbearable repetitive sticks in the wheels. El Golli Mohamed (talk) 20:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I assume it's about this nomination. You withdrew the nomination two days after it was created. I think this was a bit hasty. Please don't be discouraged by comments and be patient. With some nominations, reviewers are undecided at first and decide to review the image later. Your assumption, mentioned on the nomination page, that there is a lobby that does not want to judge the photo is not correct, in my opinion. You may want to consider reversing your withdrawal to allow the nomination to run its course. -- Radomianin (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's okay, I already nominated another photo. I didn't say I was surrounded by a lobby, I said there was a lobby (so a minority, two or three) that discourages most of the participants here. El Golli Mohamed (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The ferruginous crest of the grebe is the most interesting part of the bird and it is in focus. You can't shoot at F11 in wildlife photography to have all the depth of field from the tip of the beak till the crest in focus for such a situation. El Golli Mohamed (talk) 21:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand that it is very challenging to create such ambitious images. However, as I see it, the focus in your photo is mainly on the flight feathers, as even the impressive crest is not completely in focus. I suspect that the bird's movement towards you was faster than the autofocus. I think if the crest had been sharper, the eyes and head would also have been more in focus than they are now. -- Radomianin (talk) 21:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course it's not easy to camouflage yourself and wait for the bird to come towards you with this raised crest look without it seeing you. Afterwards you have to react quickly and the autofocus in this kind of light does not allow you to point the eye quickly enough. Either you wait for the autofocus to catch the eye and you can miss a very nice shot or you give priority to the trigger even if it does not catch the eye perfectly. I have many classic photos of Great Crested Grebe with a clear eye but with this atmosphere this is the only photo. Anyone who has ever practice wildlife photography knows what I'm talking about. An art critic will focus on the sharp eye. El Golli Mohamed (talk) 22:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I understand your point of view. Thank you for your detailed explanations. The work of wildlife photographers is something that I have a great deal of respect for. -- Radomianin (talk) 07:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 8 support, 2 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /-- Radomianin (talk) 05:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This image will be added to the FP gallery: Animals/Birds#Family : Podicipedidae (Grebes)
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