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  Comment Thank Frank, I hope see you again someday and take pictures, U and I together --The_Photographer (talk) 19:38, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But that does not mean that photos in B&W can not become FPs. Here are some examples: File:PapuaNewGuineanandson.jpg, File:Tomi Ungerer par Claude Truong-Ngoc mars 2014.jpg, File:Cycling Amsterdan 03.jpg. 😄 ArionEstar 😜 (talk) 19:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your examples, but there were a long discussion here. No need more examples. A color image has a more EV than a BW for me. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 20:34, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
ArionEstar you are right, and this continues to be tiresome. We all get that Alchemist-hp doesn't appreciate b&w but there's no need for him to continue reminding everyone of his limitations in photographic criticism. -- Colin (talk) 21:35, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Colin: a B&W image is and remains a castration of the reality! That is my valid criticism! --Alchemist-hp (talk) 21:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"a castration of the reality" Do you realise you extreme you sound? The reality moves, smells and has 3D, and yet.... Please stop disrupting FP with your bias. There is always the possibility to have more EV. Wisdom says more isn't always better. -- Colin (talk) 21:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alchemist-hp if you are going to continue voting against b&w on principle, then I will continue to exercise my right to criticise such biased and weak critical analysis, and to defend others who question it. If you have a problem with this, I suggest you unwatch after voting. -- Colin (talk) 22:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Colin you can do whatever you like. I have no problem with it. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 22:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@The_Photographer a proposal: if possible for you, so please show us the color image as an alternative too. Thanks, --Alchemist-hp (talk) 22:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why? It is up to "The Photographer" of course, but continues to represent a misunderstanding of b&w and our choices as artists. This is his creative choice, not yours. Do you ask everyone who nominates a cropped photo to also upload the uncropped as an alternative? Or perhaps we should nominate the "out-of-camera" unadjusted exposure/colours version as an alternative in case you don't care for the post-processing someone has done? Why not just ask for the RAW and forget about reviewing JPGs at all? This is rude. Please review what you are given in the nomination, or taken your own picture. -- Colin (talk) 22:28, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why not? It was only a proposal from me. Have a nice time at our FP side. Regards, --Alchemist-hp (talk) 22:35, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Colin and Alchemist-hp: In fact, I support this picture more because we have to have more FPs of Brazil. While there are countries with more than 80 FPs, we have only 32 FPs of Brazil. For me, this number could and should be big and great. 😄 ArionEstar 😜 (talk) 22:48, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment Oops, I somehow seem to have missed the rule saying there have to be equal numbers of FPs of every country in the world. Anyroad, the point "there have to be more FPs of $COUNTRY" will never make me support. Any outstanding image quality will. --Kreuzschnabel 08:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
ArionEstar, this worries me more than prejudice against b&w. I've noticed your frequent "More pictures of Brazil!" comment but assumed it was just an aside. If instead, the locality of the image is your reason to support, then please stop. The collection of FPs is hugely unrepresentative for all sorts of reasons. By all means seek out under-represented images and nominate them if they are of FP quality but our mission is not served by having weak FP pictures of Brazil. If I was a photographer in Brazil, I'd feel cheated if my FP's were known to be inferior to those from photographer's in London, if the reason they are featured was to keep some statistic happy rather than because they are great. Let's compare the images, not the photographers or the countries. -- Colin (talk) 08:33, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Colin: Yes, ok. I was wrong. I take that back. Let's again? I   Support (The grey alternative version is better. 😄 ArionEstar 😜 (talk)) because this is a great photo. I liked the photo in B&W. But, as RTA said, we also need more photos of Brazil. I am available to The Photographer to nominate great photos (and not bad) of Brazil that I think are great and very good. Forgive me! 😄 ArionEstar 😜 (talk) 15:57, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And for prove that I'm not supporting any photo of Brazil without high quality, on 11 January, I will renominate the beautiful and great painting of Brazil (File:Leitura by Jose Ferraz de Almeida Júnior 1892.jpg) that, unfortunately, did not become FP and also help expand the collection of featured paintings of Commons. 😄 ArionEstar 😜 (talk) 17:45, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ArionEstar, do not lie: this nomination is a clear example of any crap material that you send/support to FP just because is a Brazilian subject. Even my one, at the time had a ridiculous huge problem, lost of information check between the reflex and the fruit, in this case I could fix, but I am here imagining how many of this will pass... -- RTA 22:59, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment "Street craftsman" is right, I will change it when this nomination is finished. Thanks ArionEstar :) --The_Photographer (talk) 19:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's your opinion and I respect it, but what I wanted to show here is the work and not the person. Thanks for your comment. --The_Photographer (talk) 10:47, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Only works? Jee 11:06, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In your example you show, there are few elements in the composition. To clarify these doubts about when use B&W with HC, I invite you to read this nice book --The_Photographer (talk) 11:52, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm noway against B&W photography. Jee 12:19, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Strong oppose colour was very important here indeed, because I don't know what a type of work he is doing this type [1] or this one [2], if was the second case... Hell, was vital to have colours, and being in Olinda I could bet money that was the case! More problems, the photo shooter was not align with the subject, generating a sneak photo a-like, creating a disconnection between then. We could see the face with the work just going down, no excuses to that. In this position I can't see his work, I can't get what's going on, his hands are in a position that do not allow a clear vision, looks like more a masturbation scene then a hand crafting... I can't see the face, I can't see were this is happening, and this do not looks a street, for me is middle a "feira", were we have a lot of others artists doing their work... And will this sad felling? He is a f artist, celebrate his work!
About technical issues, part of this photo is blurred even with 1/200 s of exposition... a lot of graining and noisy areas and is kind of obvious ISO 640 (1/200 + 640 ISO????), and part of the right leg of the artist, how I will explain that, is merging with the floor, probably because the B&W choice, or lack of focus... Is not sharp enough also, not even one single area of the photo have that crispy feeling of a good photo... for THE Photographer, this things should be not even close to happen...
One observation about this voting, this photo would not received half of the support if personal issues was not in game, some here just vote because is a photo in Brazil (note, I'm Brazilian, and I think that we need more photos of Brasil in FP, but we need incentive better photographers to share their work, or buffer the skill of the locals, not just accepting any Brazilian crap), and others looks like more a support just because another one voted against, as we can see so many mistakes here that not even a QI this image should be!
-- RTA 12:38, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • No Colin, this is the exactly what you all need, raw true. A lot of images are passing by politics (ie. "U and I together" [above]), not by their quality + importance, and no, this is not hate, I do not have time, and emotion enough to that. You, Colin, put your emotions in your vote, just see your reaction against Alchmist, I just listed all the problems that you all ignored, for strange reasons...
This image do not exemplify the beautiful work that this artists does, and pass to the viewer a sad story, by a lack of skill and mistakes made, and you are applauding that "Dense atmosphere, well captured." [above], this is f terrible. This have the same weight of a sensationalist news "look the suffer, [I'm not suffering], look the sadness [I'm happy, really happy actually], look look, in Brazil they have to do their art at the street because they are too poor to have a place to work, [I just do here to better share my art]..." And this is the opposite of educational purpose that we have.
I'm done here, just one more sad they for me in this community, better days will come, better days will come... -- RTA 22:59, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alchemist-hp, you confuse "other opinions" for prejudice and spite, neither of which are good here. RTA's comments are spiteful, particularly the "masturbation" comment. -- Colin (talk) 08:28, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So if we do not agree with you, our opinion is prejudice and spite? And remains true after your talk, you just need stop to look the discussion, and start to see the picture. ;) -- RTA 09:09, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Confirmed results:
Result: 7 support, 3 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Yann (talk) 14:33, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This image will be added to the FP gallery: People
The chosen alternative is: File:Street Craftsman in Olinda.jpg
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