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@Michael Barera: Michael I want to categorise the nearest car in this image. I think it is an early 60s GTO.@Morio:

However, due to the idiosyncrasies of the inflexible categorisation policies I am confronted with pages like this one here. There are plenty more

You Insist on making it too hard.

Why?

You should be trying to make it easier. Why are you requiring the hiding away of all these images that can be found only if they have been correctly categorised and you happen to know the exactly correct name for the category!

Eddaido (talk) 10:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. I think there is a misunderstanding about it. I didn't create the "categories by serial number" for automobiles, most are found in the Ferrari categories. You can find it if see the "history" of each. And, just like you thought so, I also think those are too fine categorization. But, I think those categories are not against Commons' policy (maybe). So, I don't try to change it.--Morio (talk) 11:13, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

FYI, except for aircraft/spacecraft and ships, I think each following vehicle is an important 'unit' even if it is one of mass production vehicles, and also I think categorization beyond these is NOT necessary for current Commons vehicles' categories.

• vehicle in museums - Category:Vehicles in museums
• vehicles owned/driven by notable people/organizations - Category:Vehicles by named individual users
• vehicles just shown at an event: sometimes a lot of images are posted
• Number of existing/production units is so small

And, I think these are easy to re-categorize by everyone. But, of course, this is a drawn line by me just for me.--Morio (talk) 11:13, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

For a moment I will chase your red herring(s). You are both exhibiting a very old idea long out-of-date in Commons, the idea that if we have some really good images of a particular vehicle we need no more. That's long gone. see the fight of Charles01 with certain persons in Wikiproject automobiles. That was the editor who considered that any photograph taken by him took precedence over any displayed photo taken by anyone else. And also see how the basic upload file page now boasts of the large number of files you can now upload in one batch. Any form of discrimination (upload / not upload) regarding a particular image entering the collection is now considered wholly unnecessary. Its as if editors are saying "Its an image, lets add it to Wikimedia, someone else can look after categorising it etc, I've done my bit by shoving it up on their heap". (Morio, is it any help if I put this through Google translate??)

As you probably know from previous interactions with me, I am in favor of vehicles in museums having their own separate categories. Because of their location they tend to be photographed over and over again by multiple users, so I think the principal of avoiding overcategorization applies well in those cases. I feel the same way about individual aircraft, too, because they tend to get photographed repeatedly, too. Michael Barera (talk) 13:03, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Interactions. . . . Michael, this is the first time you have given any reason at all for your personal preference in this matter, you have always relied on how you interpret policy and given no other reason for your opinion. And now I have covered that in my response to Morio. Now anyone can upload anything at all and then bang it into articles to replace images that preceding editors have invested plenty of time, money, travel, foot-slogging and other efforts acquiring and curating and selecting for display. The old watchdogs are tired now. It does not matter how upbeat User:Stepho-wrs tries to be about the project because its done so much of its core work. If a new image just goes into the collection it comes to no-one's attention. Nothing wrong with its copyright then the new image just falls into Commons.

FastCCI d [[1]]: (Discover FP/QI/VI images in and below the current category and perform deep category intersections.) Comes close to providing a solution to my problem. But it needs modification. It is said to be unreliable. The developer concerned does not seem to be responding to requests for fixes.

@Morio and Michael Barera: Do you people know the developer? His name is Dschwen (I think). Are you able to help with this? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 07:20, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Eddaido: No, I do not know the developer, although I am familiar with the tool. It has been available for many years now. Michael Barera (talk) 16:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Michael, if you are familiar with the tool, why have you never suggested it as a solution to the problems you create for me? (its like the museums thing, you have never given any reason beyond policy!) You just ignore the fuss I have been making for 12 months or more? Am I using bad tactics? Should I show how very angry I am about this?

@Eddaido: I don't know, either. And, thanks for both of your comments. While I received similar topic by mr.choppers on my talk page (User talk:Morio#Please stop) and replied, about this matter (of categorization), I think it is better to discuss including other editors on Commons talk:Categories or somewhere more appropriate talk page if you need to continue.--Morio (talk) 16:56, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Morio: Thanks for your comments. Please write here the topic you believe should be discussed on Commons talk:Categories I thought it was categories for discussion - is that WP. "If I need to continue". Well, yes, you got me to the end of my life. I can see I have not being causing sufficient trouble over this.

Please would you write below here exactly what you believe needs to be discussed. Coachworked! Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 06:58, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Coachworked

I thought Commons was the repository of images for all the different language WPs. How do they translate "coachworked"? Morio, I think you usually speak Italian, so would it not be better to create the category in Italian? Then I guess it gets automatically translated to English — or do I have that wrong? Eddaido (talk) 07:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)