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>>> JOINING US NOW MICHAEL MOORE.
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THE TERMS OF MY SURRENDER, IS CURRENTLY IN PREVIEWS AND
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OFFICIALLY OPENS ON ALL SEW. WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW.
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>> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. FOR PUTTING ME ON.
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THEY KNEW NOT ME TO COME ON EARLY. RLY.
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>> YOU WERE WORKING ON THE BODY CLOCK ISSUE WITH HIS YOUR
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BROADWAY DEBUT. >> WE JUST HAD THE FIRST
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WEEKEND. SO IT'S -- IT'S EIGHT SHOWS A
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WEEK. >> MY GOODNESS.
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>> THAT'S A LOT. >> IT'S QUITE A WORKOUT FOR
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SOMEONE WHOSE NORMAL WORKOUT IS, YOU KNOW, OPENING UP THE NEXT
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BAG OF CHIPS. >> OH, THAT'S GOOD.
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WHAT ARE PEOPLE GOING TO SEE WHEN THEY COME TO SURRENDER"?
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>> IT'S A PIECE OF THEATER THAT I'VE WRITTEN.
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IT IS A ONE-MAN SHOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME SURPRISES.
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AND SO I HAVE A NUMBER OF STORIES TO TELL, A NUMBER OF
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WAYS TO -- I TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION HOW THE HECK DID THIS
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HAPPEN. AND HOW DO WE PREVENT IT FROM
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HAPPENING AGAIN IN WAYS THAT NORMALLY AREN'T BEING DISCUSSED
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ON TELEVISION. >> YOU WERE WARNING DEMOCRATS
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BEFORE THAT DONALD TRUMP COULD WIN THIS ELECTION.
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>> YEAH, NO, I WENT FURTHER. >> YOU SAID HE WAS GOING TO WIN
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IT. >> LAST SUMMER.
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BUT I WAS IN MICHIGAN, THOUGH. >> HOW DO YOU WARN AGAINST
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SOMETHING THAT YOU SAW COMING? >> WELL, OBVIOUSLY I NEED BETTER
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COMMUNICATION SKILLS BECAUSE I DIDN'T CONDUCT SEED IN
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CONVINCING EITHER FELLOW LIBERALS OR DEMOCRATS THAT THE
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TSUNAMI WAS COMING. AND I COULD NOT CONVINCE PEOPLE
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CONNECTED TO THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN TO PLEASE COME TO
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MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN. AND NOW IT'S KIND OF LIKE -- I
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HAVE A THING IN MY SHOW WHERE THERE'S LIKE A 12-STEP PROGRAM
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THAT DEMOCRATS NEED TO BE IN RIGHT NOW TO MAKE SURE THIS
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DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'VE WON THE POPULAR VOTE IN
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SIX OF THE LAST SEVEN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.
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ALL RIGHT. AND YET WE SIT HERE THIS MORNING
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WITH NO POWER, NOTHING. THEY HAVE EVERYTHING.
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DEMOCRATS CONTROL SIX OF THE 50 STATE CAPITOLS.
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SIX. >> SO TELL ME, WHAT HAPPENED TO
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THE DEMOCRAT -- WE CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE DONALD TRUMP'S ELECTION BUT
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AS WE SAY ALL THE TIME HERE, DEMOCRATS HAVE LOST A THOUSAND
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STATE SEATS, GOVERNORSHIPS. WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THE
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DEMOCRATIC PARTY? HOW DID THEY GET DISCONNECTED?
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AND DO YOU SEE ANYTHING COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON FROM DEMOCRATS
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THAT WILL REVERSE THAT TREND? >> A BETTER DEAL?
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>> WELL, PART OF THIS IS THAT THE DEMOCRATS AREN'T REALLY
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DISCONNECTED BECAUSE HILLARY CLINTON GOT THE MAJORITY OF
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AMERICANS TO VOTE FOR HER. THERE WERE ANOTHER 7.5 MILLION
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THAT VOTED GREEN OR LIBERTARIAN, SO 10.5 MILLION AMERICANS WHO
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SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT PRESIDENT TRUMP AS PRESIDENT.
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>> IN THAT RACE, RIGHT. >> YES.
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BUT I GUESS THE OTHER OTHER SID THERE WAS THIS THING CALLED THE
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ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGING THERE IN TERMS
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OF -- YOU KNOW, HE SEEMS TO HOLD HIS SUPPORT NO MATTER, EXCUSE
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ME, WHAT HE DOES. >> WHY IS THAT?
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WHY ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN,
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PENNSYLVANIA, OHIO, STILL SUPPORTING PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN
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CLEARLY SIX MONTHS IN HE'S OVERMATCHED FOR THE JOB?
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>> BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE DEMOCRATS HAVE YET TO OFFER WHAT
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THE ALTERNATIVE IS. AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, EVEN
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PEOPLE -- WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE HOUSE BACK AND IT'S LIKE
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REALLY? WHERE ARE ALL THOSE GREAT
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CANDIDATES FOR NEXT YEAR? I THINK PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY
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PEOPLE WHO WATCH THIS SHOW, WHO ARE WIRED INTO POLITICS AND
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WHAT'S GOING ON, DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS NEED TO THINK ABOUT
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RUNNING NEXT YEAR OR GET PEOPLE IN YOUR LEGISLATIVE DISTRICTSER
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YOUR STATE REP, STATE SENATE DISTRICTS TO RUN.
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FIND THE BELOVED AMERICAN IN YOUR DISTRICT AND RUN THAT
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PERSON WHO CAN WIN. AND I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU
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BEFORE. WE HAVE TO START RUNNING PEOPLE
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WHO CAN WIN AND PEOPLE WHO ARE BELOVED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
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AND WHO UNDERSTAND HOW TO TALK, YOU KNOW, TO THE AMERICAN
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PEOPLE. AND THAT'S NOT A KNOCK ON
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HILLARY CLINTON. IT'S JUST -- IT'S NOT JUST HER.
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IT'S SIX OUT OF LAST SEVEN THAT WE'VE WON THE POPULAR VOTE.
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THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS LIBERAL ON THE ISSUES.
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RIGHT? THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, WOMEN
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THE SAME AGE AS MEN, ARE PRO-CHOICE, THEY BELIEVE THAT
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THERE'S CLIMATE CHANGE, GO DOWN THE WHOLE LIST.
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AMERICANS -- THEY ALMOST CALL THEMSELVES LIBERALS BUT ON THE
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ISSUES THEY'RE LIBERAL. WHY DO WE HOLD NO POWER?
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>> SO I'LL LET YOU TAKE IT NEXT, BUT A BETTER DEAL IS THEIR
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SLOGAN. YOU WEREN'T SURE --
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>> I HEARD THAT. >> THAT'S THEIR SLOGAN.
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OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T REALLY CONNECT.
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>> THREE WORDS, DOWN TO THREE WORD.
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LOCK HER UP. CROOKED HILLARY.
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I GUESS THAT'S TWO. >> A BETTER DEAL.
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BUT RUN CANDIDATES WHO CAN WIN, THEY TRIED TO RUN A CANDIDATE IN
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GEORGIA. YOU CAN'T RUN A CANDIDATE.
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A CANDIDATE NEEDS TO STEP UP. IT NEEDS TO BE WITHIN HIM OR
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HER. >> YES.
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>> IT NEEDS TO BE THE PERSON THAT IS THE LEADER THAT STEPS UP
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AND PEOPLE FOLLOW. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY'RE
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TRYING TO CREATE CONSTRUCTS -- >> CORRECT.
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>> -- INSTEAD OF DISCOVERING TALENT.
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>> SO TRUE. THERE HAVE BEEN STUDIES TO SHOW
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THAT WHEN DEMOCRATS TRY TO SOUND LIKE REPUBLICANS LOCALLY
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ESPECIALLY, MOVE TO THE MIDDLE OR THE RIGHT, THEY LOSE.
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WHEN THEY RUN AS DEPTHS AND RUN ON THE LIBERAL ISSUES THAT THE
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MAJORITY OF AMERICANS AGREE WITH, THEY WIN.
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THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT DEMOCRATS, THEY FELT THE ONLY
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WAY WE CAN WIN, WE HAVE TO APPEAL TO THOSE TRUMP VOTERS OR
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WHATEVER. WHO WE HAVE TO APPEAL TO ARE 8
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MILLION OBAMA VOTERS THAT VOTED FOR TRUMP.
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WE CAN WIN SOME OF THOUGH BA BA. I COME FROM A STATE WHERE
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HILLARY LOST BY TWO VOTES PER PRECINCT.
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THAT'S ALL SHE LOST BY, 10,000 VOTES.
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WE CAN DO THIS. WE CAN GET THOSE PEOPLE BACK.
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BUT IT HAS TO BE A REAL CONCERTED EFFORT.
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AND PEOPLE CANNOT IN MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN BE WAITING AROUND
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FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN WASHINGTON TO -- THEY'RE NOT
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GOING TO RIDE IN ON THE WHITE HORSE AND SAY --
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>> YEAH. NICK?
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>> SO, OKAY, YOU SAID EARLIER THIS IS A LEFT COUNTRY, SO IF
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AMERICA IS A PROGRESSIVE COUNTRY, HOW ARE DEMOCRATS SHUT
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OUT AT EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT?
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THEY CONTROL NOTHING AS YOU SAID.
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IT'S NOT RALLY POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF BASIC RETAIL POLITICS IF THE
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COUNTRY AGREES WITH YOU, YOU CAN'T GET ELECTED.
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HOW IS IT POSSIBLE? >> EXACTLY.
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AGAIN, I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO RUNNING THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
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CALIFORNIA IS THE EXPERIMENT RIGHT NOW, SO THERE'S A STATE
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WHERE DEMOCRATS CONTROL BOTH HOUSES.
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THE GOVERNOR'S SEAT. AND THINGS ARE GETTING DONE.
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GOOD THINGS ARE GETTING DONE. AND THAT'S ONLY HAPPENING IN SIX
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STATES. SO THIS IS -- AS A REAL
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EFFORT -- ANYBODY WATCHING THIS --
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>> WHAT' WHAT'S THE DISCONNECT, MICHAEL?
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WHY ARE DEMOCRATS LOSE SO BADLY EVERYWHERE?
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>> BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE RUNNING.
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THAT'S IT. PEOPLE WATCHING THIS SHOW WHO
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ARE DEMOCRATS OR WHO LEAN THAT WAY OR WHATEVER, NEED TO THINK
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ABOUT RUNNING NEXT YEAR. EVEN FOR LOCAL OFFICES, SCHOOL
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BOARD, THIS IS HOW THE RIGHT DID THIS.
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THEY DID IT THE RIGHT WAY. I HAVE SUCH, AS I SAID TO YOU
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BEFORE, RESPECT AND ADMIRATION FOR THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE THEY
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GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE RUNNING LOCALLY AND THEN THEY HAVE THE
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COURAGE OF THEIR CONVICTIONS TO STICK TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN
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AND THEY ARE UP AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING LAST WEEK STILL TRYING
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TO DO -- PASS SOMETHING THAT ONLY 17% OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
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WERE IN SUPPORT OF. YOU'VE GOT TO ADMIRE THE
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TENACITY OF THAT. >> JOSH, WHAT DO THE DEMOCRATS
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DO? >> WELL, WHAT DEMOCRATS HAVE TO
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DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW TO COMMUNICATE BETTER.
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I THINK WHAT MICHAEL IS ILLUSTRATING THAT SO MUCH OF
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WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO TRY TO ADVANCE THIS COUNTRY IS
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GENERALLY SUPPORTED, NOT BY EVERYBODY, AND NOT CERTAINLY ON
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EVERY SINGLE DETAIL, BUT IN TERMS OF FIGHTING FOR VALUES,
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MAKING SURE EVERYBODY HAS HEALTH CARE, RECOGNIZING THE UNITED
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STATES HAS TO PLAY A LEADERSHIP ROLE AND RESPOND TO A BUNCH OF
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CHALLENGES INCLUDING CLIMATE CHANGE, MAKING SURE WE HAVE A
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FINANCIAL SYSTEM THAT ISN'T RIGGED AGAINST PEOPLE.
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THESE ARE KIND OF VALUES UNIFYING FOR DEMOCRATS.
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WHAT'S CONFOUNDING ABOUT THIS IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE FOR TRUMP,
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THE DIFFERENCE FOR HIS SUCCESS AN THE DIFFERENCE IN FLIPPING
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SOME OF THEE COUNTIES WHO HAVE GONE FOR TRUMP IS THESE ARE THE
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PEOPLE MOST DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY THESE ISSUES.
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>> THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN SORT OF -- DEMOCRATS HAVE ALWAYS ASKED THE
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QUESTION, WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH KANSAS?
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>> SO WE GO BACK TO REMARKABLE VIDEO THAT YOU PRODUCED WHERE
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YOU EXPLICATE WHY TRUMP IS GOING TO WIN TO VOTERS.
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AND YOU BEGIN, YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN MICHIGAN,
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THEY'RE NOT RACIST, THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE, AND YOU GO THROUGH THAT.
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AS A MICHIGAN GUY, WHO COMES TO NEW YORK, WHO'S ON THE WEST
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COAST, DEMOCRATS, DO THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH -- DO THEY HAVE AN
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ELITISM PROBLEM, A CULTURAL CONDESCENSION PROBLEM THAT IS
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DEMONIZING THESE VOTER IN STATES LIKE MICHIGAN AND WISCONSIN FROM
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HEARING THEM ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES?
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WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU COME TO MANHATTAN BETWEEN A
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MANHATTAN PROGRESSIVE AND A MICHIGAN PROGRESSIVE?
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>> FUNNY, I WAS THINKING THAT THE OTHER DAY BECAUSE WHEN I
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LIVED BETWEEN THESE TWO PLACES BACK AND FORTH, WHEN I FIRST
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CAME HERE, THIS WAS A STATE THAT HAD A REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR, A
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REPUBLICAN MAYOR, WAS THE HOME OF RUSH LIMBAUGH, HIS RADIO SHOW
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CAME OUT OF WABC, RIGHT? FOR NEW YORK BEING SUCH A
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LIBERAL PLACE, I COME FROM A PLACE THAT GAVE US THE MIDDLE
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CLASS, WHERE UNIONS AND OTHER THINGS HAPPENED TO RAISE THE
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STANDARD OF LIVING FOR EVERYONE. AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE STILL THERE
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AND STRUGGLING, BUT THEY'VE BEEN LEFT BEHIND.
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AND PLEASE UNDERSTAND, THEY DON'T LOVE DONALD TRUMP.
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THERE'S NO -- YOU KNOW, PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE LOVED REAGAN OR
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WHATEVER, THEY DON'T LOVE TRUMP. THEY'RE ANGRY.
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TRUMP WAS THEIR MOLOTOV COCKTAIL TO THROW INTO A SYSTEM THAT HAD
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NOT BEEN THERE FOR THEM. WE NEED CANDIDATES THAT WILL BE
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THERE FOR THEM. >> RUTH.
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>> RUTH MARTINS. >> I TO TOTALLY AGREE, MICHAEL,
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WITH YOUR DIAGNOSIS THAT DEMOCRATS NEED TO RUN THE RIGHT
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PEOPLE, BUT I'M KIND OF QUESTIONING, I WANT TO PUSH YOU
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A LITTLE BIT, ON WHETHER THE BEST PEOPLE, THE RIGHT PEOPLE
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ARE KIND OF COMING AT THEM FROM THE LEFT WHEN DEMOCRATS RETOOK
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THE HOUSE UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF RAHM EMANUEL.
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HE RAN PEOPLE WHO WERE THE RIGHT PEOPLE FOR THOSE DISTRICTS,
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WHICH WERE MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE AND THE KINDS OF
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CANDIDATES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO WHY IS HE WRONG AND YOU'RE
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RIGHT? >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 2006.
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>> MM-HMM.
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>> WE'RE TAUB ABOUT 2018 NOW. EVERY YEAR THERE'S 3 MILLION
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MORE 18-YEAR-OLDS THAT BECOME ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.
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SO WE'RE A MUCH YOUNGER COUNTRY NOW, AND THE YOUTH OF THIS
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COUNTRY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE OLD WAYS, THEY WANTED BERNIE
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SANDERS, THE LAST POLL I JUST SAW MORE OF THEM SUPPORT
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SOCIALISM THAN CAPITALISM. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
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GOING TO DETERMINE THE FUTURE. AND I WOULD REACH OUT TO A
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COALITION OF YOUNG PEOPLE, WOMEN, AND PEOPLE OF OF COLOR A
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NOT BE AFRAID TO BE REAL LIBERALS, REAL DEMOCRATS.
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YES, IN SOME OF THESE PURPLE DISTRICTS YOU MIGHT HAVE TO RUN
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PEOPLE THAT ARE A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVE.
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BUT YOU SHOULDN'T LOSE MICHIGAN AND YOU SHOULDN'T LOSE WISCONSIN
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AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO. >> MICHAEL MOORE, IT'S ALWAYS
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GREAT TO HAVE YOU ON THE SHOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
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TAKE A LOOK RIGHT THERE. "THE TERMS OF MY SURRENDER" IN
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PREVIEWS ON BROADWAY. GREAT TO HAVE YOU.
