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WILL NOT REPLACE US.
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ALONG WITH THE KNOWN NAZI PHRASE BLOOD AND SOIL.
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THE MARCH ENDED WITH SKIRMISHES WITH COUNTER PRTESTERS AND NO
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ONE WAS SERIOUSLY INJURED. AND TODAY WHITE NATIONALISTS
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GROUPS ARE EXPECTED TO GATHER IN CHARLOTTESVILLE AGAIN FOR A
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UNITE THE RIGHT VALLEY WITH THE GOAL OF SAVING A STATUE OF
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CONFEDERATE GENERAL ROBERT E. LEE.
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REVEREND, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
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I KNOW YOU WERE INSIDE OF A CHURCH LAST NIGHT WHEN THESE
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WHITE NATIONALIST MARCHERS BEGAN CONVERGING ON THAT CHURCH.
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>> BLOOD AND SOIL. BLOOD AND SOIL.
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>> FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING,
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THEY'RE SAYING BLOOD AND SOIL WHICH HAPPENS TO HAVE BEEN THE
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SLOGAN OF THE NAZI PARTY'S DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE IN
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1930s GERMANY, THE ACTUAL NAZIS OF GERMANY.
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THAT WAS THEIR AGRICULTURAL DEPARTMENT SLOGAN.
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TELL ME YOUR IMPRESSIONS BEING INSIDE THAT CHURCH LAST NIGHT.
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>> WELL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON, JOY.
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THE SERVICE LAST NIGHT WAS INTENDED TO BE A MOMENT OF
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MOTIVATION, A MOMENT OF PRAYER AND A MOMENT OF ENCOURAGEMENT
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FOR PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO PROVIDE A FAITHFUL WITNESSITNESS OF LOV
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ANTICIPATING TODAY'S MARCH. THE SCHEDULE FOR THE NAZI AND
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THE FASCIST EXAMPLE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TODAY AND NOT LAST NIGHT.
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SO WE GATHERED IN A STANDING ROOM ONLY MAXIMUM CAPACITY CROWD
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TO GIVE A WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT. I WAS INVITED IN TO GIVE A
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SPEECH TO THAT REGARD AND AS WE WERE CLOSING DOWN.
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OH, I GOT TO GO, GOT TO GO. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS
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HAPPENING HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT JUST HAPPEN
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THERE HAD WITH OUR GUEST. BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIND
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OUT WHAT HAPPENED. AND SHE WAS STANDING AT THE
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LOCATION WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE NOW VIOLENCE HAS BROKEN OUT AMONG
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THE CROWD AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S GOING ON
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TODAY IN CHARLOTTESVILLE, MAKE SURE OUR PRODUCERS CHECK ON
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REVEREND BLACKMON AND MAKE SURE SHE'S OKAY.
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IF SOMEBODY COULD PLEASE TEXT HER.
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THERE'S A RALLY HELD AND SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AT
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EMANCIPATION PARK WHICH USED TO BE ROBERT E. LEE PARK WHICH IS
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HOME TO ROBERT E. LEE IN CHARLOTTESVILLE.
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THE STATUE WAS SLATED TO BE REMOVED.
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THERE WAS A VOTE AT THE CITY COUNCIL THERE.
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THE VICE MAYOR OF CHARLOTTESVILLE IS BLACK AND THE
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ONLY BLACK MEMBER OF CITY LEADERSHIP AND WAS SEEN AS THE
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PERSON WHO SPEARHEADED THE REMOVAL OF THAT STATUE EVEN
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THOUGH IT WAS REALLY ACTIVISTS IN CHARLOTTESVILLE THAT WERE
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REMOVED AND A NARROW VOTE TO REMOVE THE STATUE AND IT WAS
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SUPPOSED TO BE UNITE THE RIGHT VOTE RALLY AND COURT PROCEEDINGS
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OVER THE STATUE. RICHARD SPENCER, THE KNOWN WHITE
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SUPREMACIST AND SELF-DESCRIBED MENTOR TO STEVEN MILLER, ONE OF
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THE WHITE HOUSE ADVISORS, GOT INVOLVED IN IT AND THERE WAS
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THIS IDEA OF BRINGING TOGETHER SO-CALLED ALT RIGHT GROUPS BUT
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INCLUDED GROUPS LIKE THE CLAN, LOCAL WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS
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AND CONVERGING ON CHARLOTTESVILLE TO PROTEST THE
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REMOVAL TO THE STATUE. DID MY PRODUCERS JUST TELL ME
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THAT REVEREND BLACKMON IS OKAY? WE'RE TRYING TO GET HER BACK ON
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THE PHONE BUT CHARLOTTESVILLE, YOU HAVE THESE VARIOUS WHITE
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SUPREMACIST GROUPS GATHERING TO DEFEND THAT STATUE.
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WAS ESSENTIALLY A MEETING AT A CHURCH ON THE CAMPUS OF THE
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UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA WHERE COUNTER PROTESTERS WHO WANTED TO
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COME OUT AND OPPOSE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE, THIS WHITE
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NATIONALIST RALLY. THEY WERE MEETING AT THE CHURCH
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TO PRAY AND TO PREPARE THEMSELVES TO COUNTERRALLY.
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THEY WERE NOT THERE, BUT IN CHURCH PRAYING TO GET THEMSELVES
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TOGETHER, AND FACE THESE WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS TODAY AND
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INSTEAD, A GROUP OF HUNDREDS AS DESCRIBED TO ME BY REVEREND
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BLACKMON LAST NIGHT TO ME ON THE PHONE, HUNDREDS OF TORCH
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WIELDING WHITE NATIONALIST MARCHERS, MOSTLY MEN, CONVERGED
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ON THE CHURCH AND THEN ON THE STATUE CHANTING VARIOUS SLOGANS
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INCLUDING THE NAZI SLOGAN, BLOOD AND SOIL AND CHANTING WHITE
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LIVES MATTER AND YOU WILL NOT REPLACE US AND THE JEW WILL NOT
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REPLACE US. ALL OF THOSE CHANTS CAPTURED ON
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VARIOUS CELL PHONE VIDEOS. THAT IS A SCENE RIGHT NOW IN
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CHAOTIC AND CALMER NOW.
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OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT ON ANDY.
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HE'S A COLLEAGUE OF REVEREND BLACKMON.
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WHAT IS GOING ON NOW? >> MARCHING DOWN MARKET STREET
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IS THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST MOVEMENT, THE NEO-NAZIS.
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THE TRADITIONALIST WORKERS PARTY WHICH IS THE NEOFASCIST
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ORGANIZATION AND THE KU KLUX KLAN.
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THEY TRIED TO ENTER THE PARK AND ASSAULTED CLERGY AND THEY
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ASSAULTED LOCAL PEACE ACTIVISTS AND ASSAULTED ANTI-FASCIST
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ACTIVISTS. THEY WERE USING CLUBS, BATS AND
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WHAT APPEARED TO BE SOME SORT OF GLOVES OR BRASS KNUCKLES.
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>> IS THERE A POLICE PRESENCE THERE?
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>> I HAVE TO SAY AT THIS MOMENT AT THE STATE POLICE.
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THEY ARE TO THE SOUTH OF US ON MARKET STREET.
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THEY HAVE ESSENTIALLY CREATED A CORRIDOR FOR BOTH SIDES TO FIGHT
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EACH OTHER. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE POLICE
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OFFICER IN THE STREET FOR AT LEAST 15 MINUTES.
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>> CAN YOU TELL ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE?
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BUT BETWEEN THE COUNTERPROTESTERS AND THE PEOPLE
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WHO ARE THE FASCISTS, I WOULD SAY THE FASCIST SIDE HAS ABOUT A
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THOUSAND AND THE COUNTERPROTESTERS BETWEEN 5,000
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AND 6,000. >> AND YOUR COUNTERPROTEST, IS
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IT FULLY SORT OF IN THE STREET RIGHT NOW AND IS YOUR GROUP IN
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THE SAME VICINITY? >> I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR THE
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GROUPS I'M AFFILIATED WITH WHICH IS THE SOLIDARITY ORGANIZATION
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WHICH IS BLACK LIVES MATTER, CHARLOTTE CHAPTER, UNOFFICIAL
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CHAPTER. SHOWING UP FOR RACIAL JUSTICE
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WHICH IS A WHITE ALLY ORGANIZATION AND IT IS THE LOCAL
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CLERGY BANDED TOGETHER IN A GROUP CALLED CONGREGATE AND
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THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WITH THE COALITION CALLED SOLIDARITY AND
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ORGANIZED SOME OF THE
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WITH PRETTY STIFF VIOLENCE FROM THE NEOFASCISTS.
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>> WE DESCRIBE AS WE TUNE IN WITH ANDREW STEPANI.
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HE'S PART OF THE WHITE NATIONALIST CONVERGENCE MARCH,
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VARIOUS WHO PLANNED TO CONVERGE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA
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CAMPUS TODAY TO PROTEST THE REMOVAL OF A STATUE OF ROBERT E.
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LEE. TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE
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ORGANIZATION THAT YOU LEAD AND WHAT IT IS YOU'RE TRYING TO DO
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AND SET THE SCENE FOR US WHERE YOU'RE STANDING RIGHT NOW.
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>> SO I AM STANDING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MARKET STREET AT THE
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CORNER OF EMANCIPATION PARK WHERE THE ROBERT E. LEAMON YUMT
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THERE'S DEMONSTRATIONS. 15 MINUTES AGO, MEMBERS OF THE
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NATIONAL TRADITIONAL WORKERS' PARTY AS WELL AS THE NATIONAL
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SOCIALIST MOVEMENT AND THE KU KLUX KLAN WERE MARCHING TOWN
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MARKET STREET TOWARDS THE PARK AND RAN AT THE PROTESTS WITH
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SHIELDS AND CLUBS AS WELL AS WHAT APPEARS TO BE BRASS
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KNUCKLES. SO FAR, I HAVE NOT SEEN POLICE
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ENGAGE IN ANY OF IT. >> OKAY.
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CAN YOU JUST STAY WITH US FOR A SECOND, ANDREW?
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WE HAVE ONE OF OUR REPORTERS ON THE LINE AND IF YOU COULD JUST
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STAY ON THE LINE FOR A MOMENT. MAYA RODRIGUEZ, AN NBC NEWS
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REPORTER. WHAT ARE YOU SEEING?
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>> Reporter: RIGHT NOW, BASICALLY AT THE INTERCEPTION OF
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MARCUS STREET AND SECOND. THIS IS BASICALLY THE HEART OF
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THE RALLY AREA. WE'RE RIGHT AT THE CORNER NEAR
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EMANCIPATION PARK. LIKE I MENTIONED TODAY,
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PREVIOUSLY RENAMED FROM ROBERT E. LEE PARK AND WE SAW EARLIER A
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CONFRONTATION FROM THE ALT RIGHT FOLKS OUT HERE PROTESTING AND
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THE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN AS COUNTERPROTESTERS AND BASICALLY
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MET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION.
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THERE WAS A SKIRMISH. PEOPLE BEGAN PUNCHING EACH
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OTHER. THERE WAS SOME RUSHING OF
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PEOPLE, UP AGAINST THE BARRIERS. WE DID NOT SEE THE POLICE MOVE
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IN AT THIS POINT. THEY SORT OF HELD BACK.
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THERE WAS SOME YELLING AND SCREAMING AND AT SOME POINT, IT
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SEEMED TO SIMMER DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
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BUT THOSE CROWDS ARE BEGINNING TO RECONVERGE IN THAT EXACT SAME
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INTERSECTION ONCE AGAIN. IT'S A VERY TENSE SITUATION OUT
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HERE. TALKING ALL MORNING ABOUT WHAT
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HAPPENED LAST NIGHT. STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THOSE IN
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MOTION KIND OF COME TO THE FORE HERE AND WE DO AGAIN HAVE LOTS
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OF STATE POLICE AROUND MONITORING THE SITUATION RIGHT
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NOW BUT TENSIONS VERY HIGH AT THIS RALLY.
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>> MAYA, WE SEE PEOPLE WITH THE RED AND BLACK FLAGS.
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ANY IDEA WHAT THE INSIGNIA THEY'RE SUPPORTING THERE WITH
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THE FLAGS? >> SOME OF THEHE FLAGS ARE NOT
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MARKED. I CANNOT TELL WHO THEY ARE WITH,
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WHETHER THEY'RE COUNTERPROTESTERS OR WITH THE
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ALT RIGHT. BUT PEOPLE ARE WEARING VERY
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SIMILAR CLOTHING. IT JUST DEPENDS WHAT, LET ME
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LOOK HERE. SOME SAY WHITE SUPREMACY WILL
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DIE. APPEAR TO BE SOME OF THE
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COUNTERPROTESTERS HERE AT THIS RALLY.
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>> IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO ANDREW FOR A MOMENT, PULL ASIDE
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ANYBODY FROM THE CROWD THAT YOU COULD TALK TO SO WE CAN GET SORT
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OF A, WHAT ARE WE SEEING THERE? THIS LOOKS LIKE SOME MOVEMENT IN
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FRONT OF US. WE'RE JUST GOING TO LET THAT
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PLAY OUT A LITTLE BIT. BUT WHAT ARE YOU SEEING WHERE
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YOU ARE, ANDREW? >> I AM AT THE CORNER OF SECOND
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STREET AND MARCUS STREET AT THE CORNER OF PARK IN FRONT OF YOUR
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SET-UP HERE ON MSNBC. >> I HAVE TROUBLE HEARING YOU
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BUT THERE'S ANOTHER SKIRMISH HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK.
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>> THERE'S ANOTHER SKIRMISH HAPPENING?
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>> YEAH. >> WHAT'S THE BLACK AND RED
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FLAGS? >> IT MAY BE HARD TO DISCERN IN
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THIS MOMENT BUT SOME OF THE BLACK AND RED FLAGS ARE ACTUALLY
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ANTI-FASCIST, NOT WITH THE ALT RIGHT AND THE ALT RIGHT WITH
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AWARE OF WHO THEY ARE AND THEY SEEM TO BE GOING AFTER THOSE
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INDIVIDUALS. THE ANTI-FASCISTS ARE TARGETS OF
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THE FASCISTS. >> GOT IT.
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SO FOR OUR VIEWER TO RESET, WE TALK TO ANDREW STEPANIAN, WHO IS
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ONE OF THE ORGANIZERS OF THE GROUPS.
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WE LOOK AT THE SKIRMISH BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE NEO-NAZI AND
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WHITE NATIONALIST GROUPS AND ANTI-FASCIST GROUPS.
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SO WHEN YOU SEE THE PEOPLE WITH THE BLACK AND RED FLAGS, THEY
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APPEAR TO BE THE ANTI-FASCIST GROUPS.
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THESE ARE LIVE PICTURES. >> NOT LIMITED TO THE
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ANTI-FASCIST ORGANIZATION. THEY WERE HITTING CLERGY AS
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WELL. THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST
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ALARMING PARTS. INDIVIDUALS FROM THE LOCAL
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CLERGY. THEY WERE NOT ENGAGED IN ANY
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KIND OF PROTEST.
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>> WHAT WE'RE SEEING EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHING, THESE ARE LIVE
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PICTURES FROM CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA.
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CLASHES BETWEEN WHITE NATIONALIST GROUPS AND
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COUNTERPROTESTERS. IT DOESN'T APPEAR THE POLICE ARE
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TAKING MUCH CONTROL OF THE SITUATION.
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DO YOU SEE MORE POLICE PRESENCE GATHER, ANDREW?
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>> I'M SORRY. >> I'M WONDERING IF YOU SEE MORE
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POLICE WHERE YOU ARE BECAUSE THEY DON'T SEEM TO BE GETTING A
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HOLD OF THE SITUATION. >> SO THE POLICE ARE ACTUALLY ON
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THE SOUTH SIDE OF MARCUS STREET. THEY ARE THE STATE TROOPERS, NOT
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LOCAL POLICE, AND SO FAR, THEY HAVE NOT ENTERED THIS STREET
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AREA. IT APPEARS NOW FROM THE SOUTH
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SIDE ON SECOND AVENUE, THERE'S A COLUMN OF RIOT POLICE.
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BUT THEY'RE ALSO GOING INTO THE STOCKADES, NOT APPROACHING THE
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STREET. >> I WANT TO GET BACK TO MAYA
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RODRIGUEZ. NBC NEWS REPORTER TO UPDATE US
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ON WHAT YOU SEE RIGHT NOW, PLEASE.
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>> Reporter: I'M ON THE SOUTH SIDE WITH THE STATE POLICE ON
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THIS SIDE OF THE STREET. WHAT WE'RE SEEING ARE A LOT OF
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PEOPLE CARRY SIGNS. I HEAR DRUMS GOING OFF IN THE
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DISTANCE. THE PARK ITSELF IS ON ON A BIT A
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RISE FROM THE REST OF THE STREET.
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THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE ALL THE PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE ALT
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RIGHT AND YOU CAN SEE CONFEDERATE FLAGS UP THERE.
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THE INSIGNIAS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS FROM THIS PARTICULAR
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ANGLE ACTUALLY IN FRONT OF ROBERT E. LEE STATUE AS YOU CAN
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SEE AND SORT OF A STANDOFF IF YOU WILL RIGHT NOW WITH THE
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COUNTERPROTESTERS THAT ARE ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET CLOSER
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TO WHERE I AM. I SEE BLACK LIVES MATTER SIGNS
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AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF ON THIS. BUT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE I'M SEEING
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SOME PEOPLE WITH THE CONFEDERATE FLAGS ALSO INTO THIS CROWD.
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SO THE TENSION HAS RATCHETED UP HERE ON THIS SIDE OF THE STREET
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BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE, THERE IS SOME BETWEEN THE FOLKS IN THE
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PARK AND OUT HERE IN THE STREET. >> IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN,
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THE PEOPLE IN THE PARK, WAS THERE AN ORGANIZED SORT OF
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PERMITTED PROTEST TAKING PLACE IN THE PARK AND THIS IS THE
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SPILLOVER FROM THAT? >> CORRECT.
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THERE WAS A PERMIT THAT WAS GRANTED FOR EMANCIPATION PARK
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FOR THE ALT RIGHT PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR PROTEST THERE.
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THE CITY OF CHARLOTTESVILLE TRIED TO GET THAT PERMIT CHANGED
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TO A DIFFERENT PARK THAT WAS MUCH BIGGER AND ANOTHER PART OF
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TOWN. IT WENT ALL THE WAY TO FEDERAL
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COURT YESTERDAY AND LATE LAST NIGHT, A FEDERAL JUDGE HANDED
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DOWN DECISION SAYING NO, THE PERMIT FOR THE ALT RIGHT COULD
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STILL TAKE PLACE HERE AT EMANCIPATION PARK AND OF COURSE,
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THE FOLKS WITH THE RALLY SAID THIS WAS A VICTORY FOR US WE'RE
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ABLE TO DO THIS HERE BUT THIS IS A VERY SMALL PARK IN WHAT'S
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ESSENTIALLY DOWNTOWN CHARLOTTESVILLE WHICH IS WHY
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EVERYONE IS CROWDED IN HERE TOGETHER WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN WHY
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THE CITY OF CHARLOTTESVILLE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THIS RALLY IN
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THE FIRST PLACE. >> YOU SAID THERE ARE STATE
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POLICE THERE, NOT LOCAL POLICE. >> Reporter: THEY ARE MARKED AS
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STATE POLICE. THESE ARE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE
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THAT ARE HERE AS WELL. THEY APPEAR TO BE MONITORING THE
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SITUATION AT THIS POINT. THEY DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE
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GOTTEN INVOLVED AND I DO NOT SEE THEM OUT IN THE STREET IN THE
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CROWD WHERE EVERYTHING IS HAPPENING.
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>> HAS THERE BEEN ANY RESPONSE TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN HERE?
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INCLUDING THE VIOLENCE. YOU HAD MEMBERS OF THESE WHITE
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NATIONALIST GROUPS STRIKING, PUNCHING CLERGY MEMBERS WITH
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BRASS KNUCKLES. WHERE'S THE CITY LEADERSHIP?
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ANY RESPONSE FROM THE MAYOR OF CHARLOTTESVILLE?
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ANY RESPONSE? >> Reporter: I HAVE NOT SEEN
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THEM OUT HERE. YESTERDAY, THEY SAID THEY WOULD
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BE READY FOR THE RALLY AND PLANNING FOR THIS FOR WEEKS.
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THEY HAD A PLAN IN PLACE TO HANDLE THIS.
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WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW THAT PLAN UNFOLDS AS THE DAY GOES ON.
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>> FOR THOSE JUST TUNING IN, YOU ARE WATCHING LIVE PICTURES FROM
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CHARLOTTESVILLE, VIRGINIA. A VERY LARGE PROTEST AND
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COUNTERPROTEST. WHITE NATIONALIST GROUPS,
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VARIOUS GROUPS CONVERGING ON THE CITY OF CHARLOTTESVILLE TO
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PROTEST THE PLANNED REMOVAL OF A STATUE OF ROBERT E. LEE FROM A
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PARK NOW CALLED EMANCIPATION PARK.
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I'VE BEEN HANDED BY MY PRODUCER A LIST OF WHO'S DOWN THERE
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MARCHING IN TERMS OF THE SO-CALLED ALT RIGHT, THE WHITE
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NATIONALIST GROUPS. WHITE RIGHTS ACTIVIST JASON
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KESSLER WHO LIVES IN CHARLOTTESVILLE IS APPARENTLY
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THE ORGANIZER OF THIS PROTEST. THAT IS THE PERSON WHO IS
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ORGANIZING THIS RALLY. KESSLER IS A NEWLY SWORN IN
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MEMBER ACCORDING TO "NEWS WEEK" OF THE PROUD BOYS ALT RIGHT
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FRATERNITY CREATED BY VICE NEWS CO-FOUNDER TURNED RIGHT WING
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PROVOK FOR, GAVIN McGUINNESS AND EXPECTED TO ATTEND.
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I'LL LET YOU LISTEN FOR A SECOND SO WE CAN HEAR WHAT THEY'RE
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CHANTING. >> IT'S HARD TO HEAR.
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LET'S GO TO THE NEXT PERSON. MATTHEW HEINEBACK.
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A NEW GENERATION OF WHITE NATIONALISTS.
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A STUDENT IN MARYLAND AND FOUNDED AND STARTED A CHAPTER AT
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THE YOUTH FOR WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
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YWC FOR THE UNITED WHITE THE RIGHT RALLY.
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AND ALT RIGHT BLOGGER AND THE HOST OF THE ANTI-SE METTIC
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PODCAST, THE HEBREW WORD FOR THE HOLOCAUST.
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A GUY NAMED TIM GEENET WHO GOES BY BAKED ALASKA, A CHARMING.
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A WHITE RAPPER AND BUZZ FIELD SOCIAL MEDIA STRATEGIST AND
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GEENET WENT ON THE ROAD WITH MILO IN 2016.
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A PROMINENT ALT RIGHT TROLL, BAITING OPPONENTS OF DONALD
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TRUMP WITH ALT RIGHT MEANS BY HIS TWITTER ACCOUNT.
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WE DO HAVE, OKAY, ALL RIGHT, LET'S JUST TO RESET WHAT WE'RE
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TALKING ABOUT HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CURRENT
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RALLY BY ALT RIGHT NATIONALISTS. WE'VE GOTTEN BACK REVEREND TRACY
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BLACKMON, THE EXECUTIVE MINISTER OF THE UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST
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IN CHARLOTTESVILLE. FIRST OF ALL, ARE YOU OKAY?
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WE LOST YOU EARLIER. >> I AM OKAY, JOY.
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BUT IT'S GETTING MORE VOLATILE OUT HERE.
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THEY'RE BEGINNING TO THROW THINGS AND WE ARE MISSING, WE
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LOST CONTACT WITH THREE OF OUR MINISTERS WHO HAD TO RUN BECAUSE
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NATIONALISTS, THE WHITE SUPREMACISTS BEGAN ASSAULTING
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THEM. SO WE'VE LOST CONTACT WITH
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CORNELL WEST AND STEPH WEST AWAY.
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SO WE HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR THEM AND THEY'RE THROWING THE
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WHITE NATIONALISTS, THE WHITE SPREMISTS ARE THROWING FULL
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BOTTLES. IT'S BEGINNING TO BE PHYSICAL
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HERE. >> AND WERE YOU A WITNESS TO
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MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY BEING STRUCK?
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>> NOW I'M BEING PROTECTED BY THE POLICE.
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THEY'RE THROWING STUFF EVEN INTO THIS TENT WHERE THE POLICE ARE.
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>> THEY'RE THROWING THINGS IN THE DIRECTION OF POLICE?
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WE CAN SEE THAT NOW. >> NOTHING IS SACRED HERE, JOY.
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THIS IS A SAD DAY IN AMERICA AND I'M AFRAID THERE WILL BE MANY
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MORE BECAUSE OF THE HATEFUL RHETORIC WE HAVE UNLEASHED IN
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THIS COUNTRY. >> WHO DO YOU BLAME FOR WHAT
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WE'RE SEEING RIGHT NOW? >> I BLAME THE PRESIDENT'S
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ADMINISTRATION. I KNOW THAT SOME MAY NOT AGREE
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WITH ME AND I KNOW THAT IT DIDN'T ALL COME FROM HIM, BUT
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THE LANGUAGE THAT PROMOTES HATRED AGAINST OTHER RACE
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GROUPS, THE LANGUAGE THAT SUGGESTS THAT SOME PEOPLE NEED
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MORE MILITARIZATION OF POLICE THAN OTHERS, THE LANGUAGE THAT
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SAYS EVERYONE DOES NOT HAVE A PLACE AND IS NOT WELCOME IN
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AMERICA HAS GIVEN PERMISSION FOR HATE TO BE UNLEASHED IN THIS
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COUNTRY AND MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS FOR THAT.
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>> REVEREND BLACKMON, DO YOU MEAN THE PRESIDENTIAL
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ADMINISTRATION, THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION?
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>> I ABSOLUTELY DO. >> AND I WONDER IF NOW THERE IS
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A BIT OF A POLICE PRESENCE. YOU SAID YOU ARE BEING PROTECTED
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BY THE POLICE. DO YOU FEEL THERE WERE ENOUGH
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POLICE DEPLOYED TO THIS RALLY? >> WELL, IT'S INTERESTING.
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THE POLICE ARE HERE BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'VE TAKEN A
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PASSIVE OBSERVATION TYPE OF STANCE AND ONLY GETTING INVOLVED
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WHEN THERE'S A PHYSICAL ALTERCATION.
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AS SOMEONE WHO SPENT TWO YEARS IN FERGUSON, IT CERTAINLY IS NOT
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MY HISTORY THAT POLICE IN THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS.
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SO I'VE ALSO ASKED MYSELF THE QUESTION, WHERE IS ALL OF THE
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MILITARIZATION AND THE MOBILIZATION THAT HAS HAPPENED
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IN THE PAST? IT'S NOT HAPPENING NOW.
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THIS IS CHARLOTTESVILLE. THAT'S FERGUSON.
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PERHAPS THAT'S A PART OF IT BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD USE SOME OF
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THAT STRONG HANDLING OF POLICE THAT WE SAW WITH PEACEFUL
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PROTESTERS IN FERGUSON THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING AGAINST WHITE
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NATIONALISTS STANDING ON STEPS THROWING FULL BOTTLES, WHICH IS
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TANTAMOUNT TO A LEGAL WEAPON, WITH OTHERS.
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WE JUST LOCATED SETH AND CORNELL WEST AND THEY ARE SAFE AS WELL.
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>> GOOD TO KNOW. WE'RE FINDING OUT SOME CLERGY
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WHO WERE STRUCK BY MEMBERS OF THE WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS.
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YOU CAN SEE THERE'S ANOTHER BATTLE GOING ON.
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ONE OF THE OTHER GUESTS THAT WE HAD ON EARLIER, ANDREW
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STEPANIAN. CLASHES.
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>> JOY, I'M GOING TO LOSE YOU BECAUSE THE POLICE ARE REQUIRING
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ME TO GET OUT OF HERE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
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TIME, REVEREND BLACKMON. I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD
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OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
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WE'LL TAKE A VERY QUICK COMMERCIAL BREAK AND THEN WHEN
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WE COME BACK, WE WILL UPDATE YOU
