User:Abd/Shustov deletions
Introduction
editThis is a study of dispositions as of the date of study of uploads by Shustov, ShustovVal, and Vshustov, all declared accounts of Dr. Valentin Shustov.
Some history: This user is, at this point, almost 80 years old. It is not uncommon that such users do not understand wiki process and policy, and may become uncivil when challenged with what seems to them unreasonable. I came across Dr. Shustov due to his work on en.wikiversity, which was welcome there. However, he edited his Shustov user page using ShustovVal, which we ordinarily will not allow, so I questioned him, and also researched his cross-wiki history and discovered the difficulties he'd encountered. As he had become uncivil in places, I began communicating with him directly, and advised him as to his behavior. Because he knew that my goal was to help him, he accepted advice, and disruption stopped.
I am at this point quite concerned about Dr. Shustov, he became incommunicative, suddenly, last email was March 24, 2015, and he asked about global activity. What he was doing was acceptable, and I told him so. No response. However, looking today, I see that he edited ukwiki twice, the last on 3 April, only four days ago, so I'm less worried.
Live uploads:
- Special:ListFiles/Shustov 42 files.
- Special:ListFiles/ShustovVal (none remaining)
- Special:ListFiles/Vshustov (only three older versions)
Deletions are not directly logged by user, to my knowledge. Shustov was notified of the following deletions or deletion requests. Shustov often argued deletion requests on his talk page, clearly not understanding Commons deletion process.
- 23:01, 25 November 2009 MGA73 deleted page File:Municipa Services Building.jpg (Exact or scaled-down duplicate: File:Municipal Services Building.jpg)
20:57, 30 July 2009 Gruznov deleted page File:Municipal Services Building-2.jpg (No license since 26 June 2009)
22:59, 25 November 2009 MGA73 deleted page File:Municipal Services Building-3.jpg (Exact or scaled-down duplicate: File:Municipal Services Building-3s.jpg)
09:23, 8 March 2010 MGA73 deleted page File:Collapsed Cathedrale of Port-au-Prince.jpg (Uploader request: Unfree Flickr license: http://flickr.com/photos/12249026@N03/4408375586 is licensed under All Rights Reserved)
- Shustov agreed deletion was proper, 7 March 2010.
- 12:58, 9 March 2010 Martin H. deleted page File:Residents look at a collapsed building in Concepcion.jpg (Copyright violation: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/02/earthquake_in_chile.html AP photo
- see above, likely Flikr error.
12:58, 9 March 2010 Martin H. deleted page File:Residents look at a collapsed building in Concepcion.jpg (Copyright violation: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/02/earthquake_in_chile.html AP photo)
- nom Lupo 12:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- comment Lupo "... not your fault. The Flickr user mistakenly licensed these as CC-BY-SA; ... AP photos"
20:47, 9 March 2010 Oxam Hartog deleted page File:Tsunami Thailand-3.jpg (Copyright violation: it is a screen capture from near 1:14 in http://www.youtube.com/user/zairox#p/u/7/w9ygYqj4rVM)
- nom copyvio Wsiegmund 20:38, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- This image is my own work of choosing a snapshot from the US government supported research video (see http://www.youtube.com/user/neesit, "Tsunami by NEESit"). Would you mind explaining your deletion, please? Shustov 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- The file was deleted by Oxam Hartog.[1] It is a screen capture from near 1:14 in http://www.youtube.com/user/zairox#p/u/7/w9ygYqj4rVM. It is attributed to zairox at the website you cite. You have provided no evidence that it is a "US government supported research video".[2] Even if it were, that would not suffice. Only if it were the work of a US government employee as part of his/her duties would the result be {{PD-USGov}}. In no case does capturing an image or cropping it make it your work. Only if the resulting work contains a trivial amount of the copyrighted work may it be allowable (please see en:De minimis). Hence, the license you chose, {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0|GFDL}}, is not correct. You may find Commons:Village_pump_archive-28#Common_Misconception helpful, also.
![[1]](https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&page=File:Tsunami_Thailand-3.jpg){kind=link}
- Most of the pictures and video that you find on the Web is not allowable on Commons. Please review COM:CB, and if you are not sure that a file is allowable, please ask at COM:VP before uploading it. This particular image was of such poor quality that it was arguably not useful, i.e., out of COM:SCOPE.
- If you review this information and think that a deletion was incorrect, you may request undeletion. Walter Siegmund 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Nikbot, license missing.
File:Act of baptizing by immersion.jpg DEL AS DUP
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- Nikbot, license missing. Apparently same as File:Act of baptizing.jpg
22:15, 22 April 2010 Tabercil deleted page File:Aerobics Oz Style - Clip 13.jpg (Copyright violation: Underlying show is copyrighted)
- nom Tabercil 22:15, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
- Whose right is violated here, please? Shustov 04:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- Read Commons:Image casebook#Internet images - unless there is a clear statement indicating the material is copyright-free, we must assume it is copyrighted. Tabercil 04:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I remember, the file was marked with cc-by-sa-3.0|GFDL. Is it no good? Shustov 04:57, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
- Read Commons:Image casebook#Internet images - unless there is a clear statement indicating the material is copyright-free, we must assume it is copyrighted. Tabercil 04:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
nom Diego Grez 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- The file is not a subject of copyright violation because it is a snapshot from the video demo of the US government sponsored organization NEES (see also ) which is in the public domain in the United States. The profile of the video from http://www.youtube.com/user/neesit#play/user/F297EF2ADDEAD86C/19/Yss4vn6ERj8 is presented below.
- PROFILE OF THE VIDEO:
- Name: NEEScomm
- Channel Views: 15,989
- Total Upload Views: 1,214,506
- Joined: February 12, 2007
- Last Visit Date: 4 months ago
- Subscribers: 281
- Website: http://www.nees.org
- George E. Brown, Jr. Network for Earthquake Engineering Simulation
- Cyberinfrastructure Center | NEEScomm | NEEScomm IT | Purdue University
- Hometown: West Lafayette, IN
- Country: United States
- Shustov 10:28, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
- US-government-sponsored != Work of the US federal government. There's a huge difference between them. Diego Grez 21:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
- Nevertheless, under the Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR), general data rights clause (FAR 52.227-14), the government has unlimited rights in all data first produced in performance of or delivered under a contract, unless the contractor asserts a claim to copyright or the contract provides otherwise. Shustov 04:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
- nom Prince Kassad 17:22, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
- I wonder: what is the Prince's reason for deletion? Shustov 00:38, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
- You may join the discussion at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Kashiwazaki nuclear plant.jpg. Thank you. Walter Siegmund 05:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
nom Diego Grez 01:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
Hallo Shustov, thanks for uploading File:Bldg 1ssss.gif. I guess it is drawn by you, isn't it? At the home page you cite as source there is a higher resolution version - can you upload it here as a new file version (the link is near the bottom of the file page). Or did you intentionally only upload a low-res version here? Cheers --Saibo 00:47, 7 November 2011 (UTC) You forgot to answer. :-) Cheers --Saibo 02:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry for not responding earlier. You are right: I uploaded a low-res file intentionally but you can find a better one here: http://www.ecs.csun.edu/~shustov/CME_research.htm . Best! Shustov 07:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Shustov, thanks for answering! May I know the reason for uploading a low-res here? Is it a technical reason or do you just not want to freely license the full version (which would be okay, of course)? Cheers --Saibo 12:46, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
- I did it. Please, see my User page. Shustov 22:12, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, nice - but .. ehm..., sorry, next question: is there a need for a separate file? Usually we do not keep several versions of the same image since the bigger image can be easily adjusted in size. Cheers --Saibo 01:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- I have changed the sizes where I could but there is still the area out my reach now with the files in use listed here: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bldg_1ssss.gif. Would you mind to perform the nessessary changes there by yourself, please? Thanks. Shustov 09:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
- A similar area is also here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bldg_1sss.gif. Shustov 3 December 2011 (UTC)
- Damn, sorry for the word, I really did not want you to replace the file links since that was totally unnecessary. We could have simply uploaded the bigger version as a new file version under the name File:Bldg 1ssss.gif. Hmm... So, sorry for the work you had now, this really wasn't intended by my question.
- I have replaced (they were in simple:Template:Earthquake engineering) the remaining uses (software takes some time to refresh) now, added some info from the old file page to the new one and deleted the small duplicate. Cheers --Saibo 02:24, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
nom High Contrast 20:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
- nom INeverCry 16:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- nom copyvio Diego Grez 10 September 2014]] (UTC)=
- nom elcobbola 14:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
nom Diego Grez 15:36, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- What are the arguments supporting the proposed deletion, please? ShustovVal 04:08, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
all above
- nom by Jameslwoodward 10:29, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- The reason for this DR was stated by Jameslwoodward as follows: "The uploader is the subject of these images and therefore cannot be the photographer. The claim of "own work" is clearly not correct."
- No way! There is a device invented about a century ago. Its name is "self-timer". According to Wikipedia, "A self-timer is a device on a camera that gives a delay between pressing the shutter release and the shutter's firing. It is most commonly used to let photographers to take a photo of themselves".
- Due to foregoing, will you remove your DR, please? Thanks. ShustovVal 20:04, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
- discussion over: File:Pull-up on one and another.gif
- It was tagged because the uploader is ShustovVal and the author is Shustov. Since the two do not match, it is assumed that "own work" is not correct and therefore the permission is wrong. I think it is time that we put a stop to your using three accounts more or less indiscriminately against Commons policy. Jameslwoodward 11:06, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
- Shustov, so ShustovVal was blocked, and probably autoblock caused Shustov to be temporarily blocked. An admin can fix this, but you were so busy complaining about so many things that it did not get done.
- You have not said what the problem was originally with the account "Shustov," but my guess is that you had it set up with an old email, you lost your password, so you created new account(s) to handle this. Why you created two, I can't guess. You were able to recover because you were able eventually, to access your old email. Or maybe you found the password.
- What has caused you so much trouble is that you have not yet understood how the wikis work. You have ideas about how it should be and then complain when it is not that way. It's easy to understand, you are from a different generation than most around here. As am I, by the way.
- As an example of what you have done, I see you responding to deletion requests for "copyright violation" as if the nominator must prove the violation. You have it backwards. If violation is suspected, it is freedom from violation that must be shown to the satisfaction of the community. So when you just respond with "Prove it!" you get nowhere. Then, from some years of history of this, you now have a set of users who expect you to be putting up copyright violations. You can recover, if you start immediately. Apologize if appropriate. And be very careful. Your history of deletions can look really bad. Users are blocked for repeatedly uploading material that is deleted. It's complicated, but one step at a time. Slow down. Be careful, and Be Nice.
- Deleted files can be undeleted, but you will need to know how to get that done. Argument of the "you are wrong" or "they are wrong" style doesn't work.
- Be careful about uploading again something that is deleted. It can be done, possibly in this case, because otherwise there is the discrepancy pointed out by James. Ask the deleting administrator first! If you don't get a satisfactory answer do not argue. Ask for help. I am not a Commons expert, but do know my way around a wiki, and people will help you unless you create an appearance of being uncivil and only here to promote some outside agenda, etc. There is usually a way to do what you want to do, if you ask and get support. You could, in theory, do it without help, but it all gets easier if you work with the community instead of struggling with it. Abd 21:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
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- nom Ellin Beltz 22:31, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
- Shustov, this file was in use, so the closing reason "out of scope" was probably inappropriate. I will ask the closing administrator for advice. --Abd 19:35, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
- It was a low quality file, Abd. --Diego Grez 19:49, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, Diego. How have you been?
- My understanding is that if a file is in use, it's in scope. See Commons:Project_scope#in_use, it's explicit. (There are exceptions, I do not think they apply here.)
- See my request to the deleting admin. --Abd 20:43, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
- By the way, there were legitimate issues raised in some of the Shustov deletion discussions, but also irrelevancies and errors, and those confused him. He's a professor (or was). So? He has uploaded exercise photos and family photos, as well as earthquake study photos an images, his field of expertise as an academic. So? And he ran square into what it turns out is a long-term dispute on Commons, unresolved, bystander selfies, which I'm researching. Legal opinion, apparently, is not that the "author" of a photograph is necessarily the one who presses the button. But there are some Commons administrators who firmly think so, and others who disagree. So maybe this should be resolved, so no more users get caught in the crossfire. --Abd 20:48, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
- It was a low quality file, Abd. --Diego Grez 19:49, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
- nom Ellin Beltz 22:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
File:KidsFitness.jpg KEPT
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- nom Ellin Beltz 22:36, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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- nom Ellin Beltz 22:37, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
- nom Ellin Belt 22:41, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
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- nom Ellin Beltz 22:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
- nom Ellin Beltz 22:48, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
- nom Dogad75 22:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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- nom Dogad75 23:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)