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Hallo Basotxerri, wenn Du es schon selber ansprichst: Eriste - Embalse 04.jpg ist für mich korrekt und freundlich genug belichtet, nur sollte das für eigentlich keine Kamera technisch so wirklich schwierig sein, trotz hartem Seitenlicht. Habe da aktuell zwei im Review mit noch viel härterem Seitenlicht. Ich mag das! Hat die Lumix da wirklich ein Problem mit Hang zur Überbelichtung? Was nur generell bei QI und den dazugehörigen Sparten bei commons auffällt, es drückt sich ein Stil (der etablierten), der offensichtlich falsch (da eindeutig überbelichtet) durch und viele machen es dann zu allem Überfluss auch noch nach. (Sieht man aktuell gerade bei Steinen, ist ja wieder beliebt). Dabei haben neuere Monitore eine stärkere Leuchtkraft und der Dynamikumfang der aktuellen Kameras ist auch größer statt kleiner. Mir ist es bei dreien von Dir aufgefallen, die mir privat/persönlich übersättigt wären. Liegt aber weniger an Deinen Bildern, sondern da ich auf der Suche nach einem WW bin und ich mir eben auch Lumix ansehe. Noch ein Beispiel...Ist jetzt "blöd", da ich seine Bilder ja nicht mehr beurteilen soll, aber ein Beispiel aus letzter Zeit ist da "Palacio_del_Gobierno,_Trieste,_Italia,_2017-04-15,_DD_08.jpg". gut gemacht (auch wenn ich der Meinung bin, das Gebäude hängt durch). Sonne nach einem Regenguss kann einen herrlichen Kontrast haben (was wir alle lieben) nur sollte nasser, schwarzer Granitstein auch richtig dunkel sein und der Verteiler rechts (in der Vignette des WW) sieht abgewedelt aus. Das Gebäude wirkt nicht gerade glaubhaft hell. Wirkt für mich wiederum so, als wird der Begriff Schönwetterfotograf entkräftet, indem man den Stil auch bei Regen "durchdrückt" :) Ich denke mal das eine ist ein typisches Massenphänomen (oder Zeitgeist, besser Herdentrieb), eben nicht nur persönlicher Stil oder Geschmack, das zweite ist für mich weniger erklärbar, da ja renommierte user mit hunderten von Sternchen da locker drüber stehen könnten. Tut es aber anscheinend nicht. Es gibt hier oft eine seltsame Eigendynamik, die einem leider nicht einmal hilft, wenn man sich nur Bilder von einem Hersteller oder Brennweite ansehen möchte und zwar von Leuten die viel fotografieren und es auch können. Ergo, alles muss man selber testen :( Eine erfolgreiche Woche, Hans-Jürgen

Hallo Hans-Jürgen, ja, sowohl meine GM1 als auch meine GX80 haben einen Hang zur Überbelichtung. Konkret heisst das, dass ich fast alle Bilder bei Sonnenlicht zu einer 2/3-Blendenstufe abblenden muss. Mittlerweile habe ich mich daran gewöhnt und kann einigermassen damit umgehen, aber etwas nervig ist das schon. Auch das Kamera-Histogramm zeigt die Belichtung nicht korrekt an. Das Bild am Stausee finde ich fast etwas zu unterbelichtet, ich glaube, dass es an dem Tag doch etwas heller war, als es auf dem Bild durchkommt. Andererseits: Da auch der Schatten des Geländers schon etwas länger ist, kommt so eine nette Spätnachmittagsstimmung auf.
Ich habe aber auch die Erfahrung gemacht, dass gerade das Entwickeln je nach Monitor zu Fehlbelichtungen verleiten kann. Ich habe gerade den Monitor gewechselt, auf meinem alten habe ich oft im nachhinein die Belichtung von hochgeladenen Bildern korrigieren müssen. Und wenn ich dann an mein Notebook gehe, ist wieder alles anders. Und dann ist auch noch alles blickwinkelabhängig! Kompliziert. Mir fällt auch auf, dass einige Bilder bei QIC nominieren, die fast immer leicht gelbstichig sind.
Bei Poco a Pocos Triest-Bild bin ich mir nicht sicher. Es gibt bedeckte, graue Tage, da sieht ein Gebäude so aus. Richtig sicher sein kann man da nur sein, wenn man dort war, sich visuell erinnert oder das irgendwie vergleichen kann. Wenn ich mir die anderen Bilder der Kategorie ansehe, finde ich, dass das Gebäude in Wirklichkeit nicht ganz, ganz hell ist. Übrigens glaube ich nicht, dass Du nicht seine Bilder beurteilen solltest. Die Frage ist nur, wie Du es tust. Du bist hier sehr direkt, das kommt nicht immer gut an. Du könntest versuchen, etwas diplomatischer zu sein.
Ansonsten bin ich mal gespannt, ob Du Dich für eine Panasonic-MFT entscheidest. Ich finde es immer witzig, wenn mir die Leute aus der DSLR-Liga sagen, dass die GX80 gute Bilder macht, das ist mir schon ein paar Male passiert. Nicht, dass ich nicht zufrieden mit der Kamera bin, aber, wenn der, der es mir sagt, ein 3000 €-Gerät besitzt, ist es schon lustig. Das Gute bei MFT ist, dass Kameras und Objektive kleiner sind, ohne, dass die Qualität zu sehr in die Knie geht. Die Olympus-Modelle sind übrigens sicher auch nicht schlecht.
Viele Grüsse, --Basotxerri (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Erstmal Hallo Basot??Xerri??,

ich will mich im Charakter nicht verstellen, da es erstens nicht möglich íst und es zweitens einfach schneller geht. Drittens (das wichtigste) es ist einzig und einzig allein aufrichtig. Nur am Rande - ich fand Poco niemals höflich oder eloquent, aber das ist ein komplett anderes Thema, da rein psychologisch und hat mit seinen Bildern herzlich wenig zu tun. Auch Deine Anmerkungen sind zwar sehr diplomatisch, fast überzogen höflich, nur was bringt es einem? Emotionen die ein Bild ja auslösen soll sind subjektiv, alles andere ist ein rein akademischer Streit seit gut 250 Jahren. Auch das Thema Sensor-Fläche ist mehr Marketing als Physik. Warum ist ein Lob aus der DSLR-Liga so erstaunlich? MFT geht vom meachanischem Weg indem es versucht einen Standard für Flächen und Auflage zu ermöglichen. Zuiko oder Leica machen damit Geld, darum geht es. Die Linsen von heute haben sicher nichts mit damals zu tun. Nur kurz überlegt, Physik ändert sich nicht. MFT ist für mich nicht billiger, seltsamerweise habe ich nur Anwendungen, wo 2 Kilo schwer zu handhaben sind. Das was Du zur Lumix sagst ist daher wichtig, da es von einem realem Anwender kommt. Ich kenne das von Sinar, die für mich schon immer überzogen waren, jetzt aufgrund Arroganz fast Pleite. MFT ist halt seltsam, da die SW intern schon schärft (hier fast verboten) die Vorteile eigentlich im Telebereich "spielen" dürften (trotz Rauschen) und es gibt Ultraweitwinkel die früher nie vorstellbar waren. Ein "Froschauge" (große Krümmung) wird nur selbst indoor heftige Glas-Fehler erzeugen, das ist in KB-Vollformat nicht anders. (Ich konnte mit Fisheye nie was anfangen, ich war outdoor aber schon immer ein pancake-Fan (Adlerauge)) Es gibt halt etliches nicht mehr und die Wiederauflage ist rein ein Marketing-Gag. Ich konnte mir "damals" nie eine Plaubel Makina W67 leisten und kam mit Sucher eher weniger (ehrlich gar nicht) zu Recht. Das Glas war dennoch der Hammer (Haben-Will-Faktor). Ihr solltet in Commons nur bitte sehen, etwas objektiver und gleichzeitig offener zu werden. (Meine Meinung). Und ein rein subjektiver Tip von mir an Dich: Übertreibe es bitte nicht, gerade CA, CAT oder andere Themen seit ihr (DU) oft so inkonsistent das es weh tut, oder zumindest seit Jahren offensichtlich auffällt. Eine gute Zeiss -Hans-Jürgen

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Good quality. --Jacek Halicki 15:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)More then good! perfect! Looks like wc have a matter of young followers.The most pics here are overexposed or only too bright style. But I´m jealous about Lumix --Hans-Jürgen Neubert 13:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you but you say that because you haven't seen my overexposed images (mainly because I don't upload them). I have to struggle a lot with highlights... --Basotxerri 19:22, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

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I copied this to Johann's page since he took the photo. Thanks for nominating for him! PumpkinSky talk 21:25, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Avec plaisir... An excellent picture like this deserves to be an FP. --Basotxerri (talk) 21:38, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

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I got that Rokinon lens because I wanted a cheap wide angle lens and it seemed like it traded autofocus for some image quality. My results have been pretty mixed, I must say, but I don't know how much of that is user error... I have mixed results with just about every lens. :) — Rhododendrites talk |  22:45, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Rhododendrites, thanks for your reply! I've never shot with a "modern" manual lens but with my vintage lenses, many times I fail to focus well (while the focus peaking seems to work quite well). I know that this Rokinon exist but at 300 $ it doesn't seem very cheap to me either (OK, it's f/2.0). My favourite lenses are the Panaleica 15mm f/1.7 and the Sigma 60mm f/2.8. No complaints about them. If you don't get bothered by the slow autofocus, add the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7. What is absolute crap is my Panasonic 14mm f/2.5 (at least my copy), very unsharp towards the borders at almost any aperture.
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The Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 is my default lens (mainly because it's so small, but also because it's pretty decent). Then there's the Rokinon, the cheaper Olympus 40-150, and Olympus 60mm f/2.8 macro. I've used borrowlenses.com a couple times to try out nicer ones like the Olympus f/2.8 7-14mm pro, but didn't really feel like I could see enough of a difference to justify it (perhaps due to the basic body it was on). Have you found a good long zoom for MFT? I tried the cheaper Olympus and the higher end Panasonic, but had a hard time with both (leading to this thread). — Rhododendrites talk |  13:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Rhododendrites, you might be interested in this page: http://hennigarts.com/micro-four-thirds-objektive.html . It's in German but it's very complete. --Basotxerri (talk) 16:53, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hallo Basotxerri, vermutlich hast Du was in den falschen Hals bekommen. Du bist halt nur der übergenaue, was nur leider dazu führt das vieles bei den QI´s kontraproduktiv wird. Im Falle der alten Wände in Sibiu habe ich nicht nur eine Waage verwendet, sondern beim entwickeln ein Gitter/Grid, ich habe es mir dennoch nochmals angesehen und selbst das Glas nochmals korrigiert (obwohl es schon korrigiert war). Wenn ich die Entzerrung/perspektivische "Korrektur" noch weiter treibe, wird es mehr als unreal und es steckt wirklich genug Arbeit drin. Das die Wände unten nicht symmetrisch sind, gibt es auch bei uns. Wände die viel dicker sind, bis über 40cm. Ich will jetzt nicht sagen, es wurde "Vorkriegs-deutsch" gebaut, was in Sibiu/Hermannstadt aber durch aus möglich wäre. Ich hatte so eine ähnliche Diskussion mit XRay und da ging es rein über das lens profile (denke das war konstruktiv). Das Bild stimmt lange, gerade mit dem Elektroverteiler und den Fenstern, die Wand unten muss breiter werden und darf gar nicht vertikal sein. Siehe Regenrinne/Fallrohr. Ich könnte auch schreiben, wenn ihr schon Regeln habt, dann haltet euch bitte auch daran und zwar gültig für alle. Ich kann mich noch an ein "decline" erinnern, da das b/w (und mir ging es rein um die b/w-Umnsetzung) angemeckert wurde, da es das gleiche Negativ sei. Was ist dann mit D27EFCF103C08F58188D32507C67583A von Agnes?, was ist mit zig Bildern von XRay oder gerade von PumpkinSky?? Mir war die Regel total neu, ich habe sie auf die Schnelle auch nicht geschrieben gefunden, nur "hackte" PumpkinSky sogar noch nach und hat selber mit "Power lines during Blue Hour BW.jpg" die "vorhandene" Regel selber missachtet und meinen Kommentar dazu, "entfernt". Keine Stellungsnahme ist auch eine Antwort. Das Bild von Agnes ist sogar nach der Sache nominiert worden. Da darf man dann schon mal fragen, was daran objektiv ist! QI hat eben extern exakt diesen Vorwurf. (Das sich rein allein eine kleine Clique, die Sternchen überreicht). Das mal ein Bild durchrutscht wäre ja menschlich und verzeihbar, aber bitte nicht im Dutzend und dann immer gerade bei wenigen. Schöne Woche, Hans-Jürgen

Hallo Hans-Jürgen, bitte entschuldige, ich habe das möglicherweise wirklich falsch verstanden. OK, ich sehe mir die Bilder beim Review genau auf 100% an, wenn ich dann ein Problem sehe, dann schreibe ich es auch. Natürlich haben verschiedene Leute verschiedene Messlatten. Meine habe ich mir in den letzten zwei Jahren hier angeeignet, nachdem ich tausende von Bildern hier gesehen habe, tausende von Bildern hochgeladen habe und viele hier gesagt haben, was akzeptierbar ist und was nicht. Das Thema mit den Mehrfachuploads der gleichen Bild-ID ist mir selbst bei einem meiner Bilder vor langer Zeit gesagt worden, seit dem stelle ich nur noch eine Version in die QIC. XRay weiss das mit Sicherheit, ich glaube nicht, dass er mehrere Versionen nominiert. Bei Agnes und Pumpkinsky werde ich das noch einmal verfolgen und Ihnen das dann auch sagen. Bei Dir hatte ich das festgestellt, weil das Bild genauso aussah und Du die Regeln noch nicht alle kennst. Viele Grüsse, --Basotxerri (talk) 18:52, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

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True! Despite of 2 1/2 months of horrible weather a first impression what spring might be. --Basotxerri 17:11, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
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In my opinion, the tower leans slightly to the left. Shame about the blades of grass left. But a nice sharp photo!--Famberhorst 17:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Famberhorst, yes I've struggled a bit with the perspective but I believe that the church is really leaning a bit: all other verticals are straight, especially the modern house in the centre (which would indicate a tilt). The sharpness was produced by a 30-year-old Yashica manual lens. --Basotxerri 18:07, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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Good quality.--Agnes Monkelbaan 17:56, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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Good quality. --PumpkinSky 19:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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Difficult. Colorful, but sharpness should be better. May be composition is improvable, especially at the bottom. A very weak pro. --XRay 19:32, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, perhaps the position wasn't the best... --Basotxerri 19:38, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hi. I corrected this photo. --Jacek Halicki (talk) 00:17, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jacek, sorry, I haven't checked my last reviews. Daniel has already promoted your image, hasn't he? Best regards, --Basotxerri (talk) 09:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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Good quality. --Poco a poco 14:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
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Good for me --Hans-Jürgen Neubert 20:11, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
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My Fave from the triple series --Hans-Jürgen Neubert 20:11, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
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QI imo.--ArildV 19:18, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
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I love the fog on the photo, sunshine-fog-sunshine, very special for me. It might look deformed, but it's not. IMO a Q1 --Michielverbeek 22:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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Good quality--ArildV 18:39, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Isiwal, your welcome and the image is definitely worth it! --Basotxerri (talk) 18:59, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

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