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DPLA ~ send in the botsEdit

Here is a plan where we make a w:Neuromancer-like run at some of that metadata. Assuming the metadata structure is organized appropriately, then:

  • only download images from Presidential Libraries
  • do it at the time of the DPLA launch 12:01 am April 20 (be the first big data dump from DPLA to Commons),
  • get DPLA invloved so you can peek at the metadata before hand to make sure of the structuring (use Sarah S.'s new role as OpenGLAM rep to arrange this with Emily at DPLA-I emailed her about this too)
  • get a few bots invloved
  • write press releases six ways to sunday: DPLA is happy that Wikipedia is their first customer, OpenGLAM gets all the credit, Wikipedians flock to DPLA
  • I get to live in a Gibson novel like I've wanted since '84.

Any interest? What's missing? Bdcousineau (talk) 04:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I'll ask Sarah if she can get me a sample/w:schema and more details. Also, in a few weeks, w:Wikipedia:VisualEditor is expected to be deployed by default.Smallman12q (talk) 13:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
YAY!! <fist pump> I'll bother Sarah today to open my pitch email and then we can start planning... I'll bring WiR Michael over too. I will also see what I can do to estimate how many images it is via ARC. If Sarah isn't interested, I'll find another way in. Bdcousineau (talk) 14:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Sarah said she's not involved with DPLA =/.Smallman12q (talk) 18:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I know that! But she knew Director of Content Emily enough to invite her to do a tele-con to the conference, so I figured she would know her enough to pitch this idea. Also, that brings OpenKnowledge Foundation into the project and gives her (Sarah) a deliverable to report to her bosses. Let me try again. Otherwise, I'll just contact Emily directly and see what happens. Thanks for trying! sorry new browser not synched.Bdcousineau (talk) 19:04, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm pretty busy right now trying to catch up on other work (related to my residency at World Digital Library) and coping with some post-conference burn out. When I get my energy back and get caught up on work I'll look into this more. At this point, I don't know anything about DPLA metadata aside from what Bettina and I heard this past weekend. I'll look into things when I'm feeling better! Sarah (talk) 19:10, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
That sounds great, Sarah! It was just a wonderful vision of Wikimedia being DPLA's first big customer, all because of the OKF connection. Hope it can happen! Take care of yourself. Bdcousineau (talk) 19:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Will wait. Also, when will begin drafting the case study...or is that a while out?Smallman12q (talk) 22:58, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
WiR did an initial case study --- once the metics get extracted in a meaningful way for the Theimer book (this weekend is for finishing the narrative, next weekend for the metrics) they will be dropped into the GLAM case study, using this as a potential model.
Still refining the DPLA idea; images of the Presidents might have been completed by the NARAbot, however have located ARC's "Records of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, 1921 - 2008" 26K war images (1% restricted, the rest public domain) - everyone loves military, so Commons usage is a given. These images are indicated by an empty category, so I don't think NARAbot loaded them yet. The group is not revealed in a preliminary Commons search. Perhaps filling the remaining empty categories at Category:US National Archives series and Category:Images from the National Archives and Records Administration is a way to go. ARC has lots of census data, Cherokee nation registration cards, and some cool spy pictures (I'll do those by hand). I'll keep looking. Bdcousineau (talk) 00:35, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


See User_talk:Smallman12q#Arc_Id.27s.Smallman12q (talk) 02:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

x 2 Smallman12q (talk) 22:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
x 3 Smallman12q (talk) 23:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
x 4 Smallman12q (talk) 21:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

IEG Individual Engagement GrantsEdit

In case you're interested, there are now Individual Engagement Grants. (Relevant blog post).Smallman12q (talk) 23:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Just saw those today, thanks! Perhaps the KDL project is appropriate. Gotta think on it. Bdcousineau (talk) 23:48, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I've uploaded your photosEdit

OK, I've just uploaded your photos and added meaningful descriptions, categories, and geotags. The only problem is that the date was not in the metadata, so right now the date fields show the upload date (which isn't the worst thing in the world, but the date of creation is more useful). If you could let me know the date of creation on those files, I'll change it right away. Also, I licensed them under the Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication, which (if I understood you correctly during the conference call earlier today) is what you wanted. If not, just let me know and I can relicense them (the sooner the better, because such licenses are technically irrevocable). Thanks so much: the photos look great! Michael Barera (talk) 00:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

How fun! Thanks - happiest with this, of all the things I've done here so far. Bdcousineau (talk) 03:25, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
You should be proud: they look great! Also, you may want to consider creating your own gallery page now with these images. These are good photos to start with! Michael Barera (talk) 03:55, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
ok, great idea! oh, btw, how many hours have you spent/do you spend on the NARA materials? You mentioned that the other day.... Bdcousineau (talk) 12:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Wow, quite a few: one of my hobbies (for months before I met you, even) has been to work on the NARA uncategorized media backlog. I do it frequently for fun over the weekends, and have been doing such for over a year now, so I'd guess that my involvement with it measures in days (or perhaps even a week or two) instead of hours by now. Anyway, I enjoy doing it: the descriptions are almost always better than those in the general uncategorized backlog, in which I spend a lot of time as well (often working with my buddies Funfood and AtelierMonpli). Take care! Michael Barera (talk) 15:42, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

more OpenEdit

National Gallery of Art opens images Bdcousineau (talk) 19:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

It's listed at Commons:Batch_uploading#National_Gallery_of_Art. I may do it.Smallman12q (talk) 00:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Margaret TrudeauEdit

Hi, I left a note on the project talk page as well. The w:Margaret Trudeau article doesn't have any decent images of her. Do you have any easily uploaded or are they buried deep somewhere? I emailed her website to see if they want to provide any but no response yet. Do you also have a higher resolution scan of File:Jennifer and Cary Grant Gerald Ford enhanced image.jpg handy. If you can help in any way, thanks in advance.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi - let me see what I can do. So excited that the contact sheets are getting use! Thanks. I'll be back in touch on this page. Bdcousineau (talk) 14:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much! I added a bunch of categories to that one for everyone in the shots. I discovered that John McCone doesn't have a cat yet and I will create one for him. I don't know who Edward Carter is and he doesn't seem to have images here or an article in en:wp. This may be a pain to do for all of your contact sheets and I don't know how much it will help others. Does the library intend scan and upload any shots that we can find useful for the projects? I mostly come across articles in en:wp and then try to fix ones that need images or better ones. The above one is the only licensed one we have for w:Jennifer Grant at this point.--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Appreciate your hard work. The contact sheets were an experiment to see how much use they might get ~ most of the images on the contact sheets have not been scanned elsewhere. Generally, while the images are in the public domain, the Library charges $17US to create a hi-res scan from a contact sheet if the image has not been scanned already. As an employee, I can request occasional scans and will work to accomodate editors' needs. It was made clear that unlimited free scans would not be forthcoming. This is not uncommon at many institutions that believe they will lose significant funding by making their collections free. If you provide me with a list of what you are interested in (similar to what you did with File:Jennifer and Cary Grant Gerald Ford enhanced image.jpg) I'll work through it over time, but it might be a slow process. However, you have given me a good idea, and I will also look into possible external funding to "scan and upload any shots that we can find useful for the projects". I'll look tomorrow for Mrs. Trudeau, and I should also be getting a better scan of your original request by Thursday. Sorry if in the end, the contact sheets are just a teaser! Bdcousineau (talk) 23:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Hold the phone! I've thought of a way to get you the images you need somewhat faster/more regularly.... please start working on your list. The Museum staff is crazy-busy through the end of the month, so early May is the soonest I can start work on it. Fingers crossed ~ this idea should work and satisfy all potential questioners. I will detail the WiR as well. This will be fun, thanks for the opportunity! Bdcousineau (talk) 02:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I fully understand the point of not losing funding. There is no reason why we should expect free images at the expense of your budget. The WMF may provide some funding as well. I may be a good idea to upload 1/2 resolution scans here of images that have been scanned already. I see no reason why you can't add a note to these images that full resolution ones are available for a nominal fee. Most are only 220 to 300px wide in articles anyway. We also have w:Wikipedia:GLAM/Wikipedian in Residence that may help at your end.--Canoe1967 (talk) 14:15, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Love the WMF funding idea, thanks, but haven't figured out how to predict costs/store the money if granted. Idea needs additional mulling over. BTW, we have a fabulous WiR, Michael Barera who is doing a fantastic job. For the time being, due to institutional constraints, I will post your images via FTP once I get them, hope that's ok. You'll have to upload. We'll go thru and correct templating after the fact; all images PD. Sorry, Federal policy (files have to be on our website or in Federal db for me to load) in place. Bdcousineau (talk) 14:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again for your efforts and thank Michael as well. I am not in a hurry so take your time. Ftp is fine with me. Just leave the link on this talk page, my talk page here, my en:wp talk, Mrs. Trudeau's article talk, on the fridge, etc. Which ever is most convenient for you. I will keep your talk page on my watch list. Btw the contact sheets are not a teaser at all. Jennifer may have found her image here and had a better scan done. I found the higher resolution one at her website. I thought if she likes it there then she shouldn't mind it in her article. Others may find the contact sheets useful in the same way and help your funding with scan income. The only shot we have of w:Leona Helmsley is her mug shot. I don't know how long it was in her article full size before I cropped the number sign out of it. She looks ok in that one but you may have non-criminal shots of her as well. Are most of yours black and white? I would think a colour one of her would be needed to replace the one we have now.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

DPLA - samples 'n stuffEdit

beta search results uh-oh not helpful for our purposes
how is this? many useful links
this might be it

I can keep searching. Found a Wikipedian involved who could answer questions, perhaps. Bdcousineau (talk) 15:30, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

I've posted a message to the dpla-tech mailing list...will see if anyone responds. Also, there's a detailed article at NYBooks regarding DPLA.Smallman12q (talk) 00:56, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Great! user:SJ WMF trustee was in dev team. I've no problem approaching him if the mailing-list is a dead end. Let me know.
Next 3 weeks super busy, so even if Collections dude gives me artifact db (I have 2k images already) cannot touch til after May 1. So more waiting. Good thing you have a book! Bdcousineau (talk) 14:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I did get a response, from NARA's w:Chief innovation officer Pamela Wright, and she seems interested=D. You should get in touch.Smallman12q (talk) 15:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
April Fool's, right?! Seriously? On the other hand, mebbe this is the best thing to happen. But NARA as DPLA's first customer does not play well. Wikipedia as the first customer is a success all around. Can you give me details about your exchange? I really need to think on this. Sorry to blather, did not see this coming. Bdcousineau (talk) 16:00, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
It hasn't been much of an exchange, rather an introduction. I've sent you a copy. There's boatloads of politics involved, so good luck. Hopefully this will turn out well.Smallman12q (talk) 21:09, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
ok, well <clammy and pale> I'll do it. Thanks for the email. Bdcousineau (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Bettina, I agree that Wikipedia would make a great first customer. NARA and other large traditional archives have to move more slowly, have institutional politics, &c. They have already been actively involved as a collaborator on DPLA design, and you should definitely talk to them - Pam Wright is wonderful, and has a lot of ideas about how we can expand the audience using such a platform and to what uses it might be put. You should find her welcoming to these ideas about manipulating large datasets and authority files too... Wikimedians are a good example of the newest generation of archives and curators, used to working with APIs, bots and scripts, and within the DPLA community we want to highlight that work. (Wikimania is still referenced as the sort of community event to replicate with DPLAns and librarians!)

Can you point me to more details about what you have in mind? What do you need next? Regards, --SJ+ 23:45, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi SJ, happy to have you here. We've targeted about 30k NARA public domain images to upload to begin with - images from the Department of Defense that will get lots of use (ships and guns, etc). And since NARA has no WiR right now, we'd like to continue what he's started in the longer run. I'm not a techie, but am a NARA employee, in a field agency (Gerald Ford Library). I'm working with Smallman12q who will doing the upload, and other things like templating. He has technical questions about the metadata; I know he would like to see some samples of the data, but he is confident this will work. Also, the Ford Library has a WiR Michael Barera who will do the categorizing. My role is get everyone excited and make this a giant 3 way win for all the players - NARA gets their materials used first, and continues their goal to bring materials to Commons in a structured way, the DPLA has a high profile first customer, and Wikipedians are first in the door of what is the future of GLAM records aggregation.
Before I go to NARA to mobilize their social media feeds, I want to be confident that we can deliver the materials to Commons. Pam had a brief exchange with Smallman12q - I have waited to contact her. Knowing that the technical issues are not issues will help me move forward with that piece of it.
I don't know how appropriate it is to include WMF social media outlets in this - perhaps this is not really that big a deal, no matter how cool I happen to think it is - but figuring out that piece of it would be great. We'll do as much social media blogging and tweeting as we can among ourselves (we have a person from the LOC ready to help, and some connections at the Smithsonian and the OCLC). Wouldn't it be cool to have a upload-status twitterfall during the DPLA launch? would that even be possible?
Actually even your presence would be a big help; grassroots only goes so far. Thanks for your interest. Bdcousineau (talk) 00:49, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Regarding Also, the Ford Library has a WiR Michael Barera who will do the categorizing:
I can reasonably categorize about 500 images by hand per week. Please remember that a batch upload of 30,000 will take me a long, long time to categorize if I'm the only one doing it (in all likelihood over a year). We would really need many users working on categorization to make a batch upload feasible: if I'm seriously the only one doing the categorizing, I would much prefer if we do it in chunks of a few hundred to a thousand at a time so that I don't drown in a sea of uncategorized images. Michael Barera (talk) 16:11, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
No drowning allowed! Plus all that hand work might get tedious. No need to sequester your talents! There is no expectation that you would do this alone, or that you would be under any deadline. There are other institutions on Wikimedia that have succesfully handled batch uploads - one of those models will serve our purposes. Besides it seems NARA wants to keep their material flowing to Commons - whatever workflow they've established could serve this part of the project. Hmmm, what a great classroom session that would make - teaching kids how to categorize according to Wikipedia norms. Bdcousineau (talk) 17:49, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
I like how you're thinking! We really do need to get large-scale help with categorizing this upload, though, no matter how we get it. Enjoy the rest of your weekend! Michael Barera (talk) 04:56, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for being positive about this. I agree we'll need extra hands/eyes. I'm going to attend BootCamp at the end of the month, this question seems really appropriate there: if the Commons accepted practice is large scale donations, how are the backlogs intended to be handled? There will many experienced GLAMmers there to help work through this issue. Thanks for giving me something to bring to the discussion. Bdcousineau (talk) 15:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

That sounds great, I really hope we can find a workable solution to this problem. Thanks! Michael Barera (talk) 16:10, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

hey ho!Edit

AOTUS @ Museum on Monday! Hope he stops by to congratulate team. =] Bdcousineau (talk) 14:56, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


For today, no action. Waiting to see if the email generates any phone calls. Bdcousineau (talk) 15:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

DPLA devs - emailsEdit

emails away to 2 DPLA devs. Bdcousineau (talk) 02:28, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Great response, one dev sending email along to lead programmer. Very thumbs up. I suggested we create a partnership, whatever that means! Bdcousineau (talk) 14:19, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Do. Not. Obsessively. Check. Gmail. Bdcousineau (talk) 14:39, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
So it looks like there's some activity=). Smallman12q (talk) 19:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
please look at yr email/s. No caffeine for me, will have heart event soon. Bdcousineau (talk) 20:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Today (5 April) at the LibraryEdit

I'm at the Library now, and I figured that I'd keep working on Wikisource today as well as take care of Smallman12q's request concerning the spreadsheet. Also, should I start putting together a presentation for my last day on the job (two weeks from today)? Thanks! Michael Barera (talk) 13:54, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, please all of those are good. I'll submit the paperwork for the next internship on my end today. On Tuesday, after the First Ladies conference that has everyone busy (the one that AOTUS is flying in for), I'll remind Geir/Elaine about the blog post. Bdcousineau (talk) 13:59, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, quick question concerning the spreadsheet (I've also asked it to Smallman12q): I'm taking the ARC number and adding it to the image title, like so: "File:this is the title (12345).jpg": correct? If not, please let me know exactly what you (and he) want me to do with the spreadsheet. Thanks! Michael Barera (talk) 14:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I'd like to mirror the titling standard that NARA has in place - hope that's clear. Bdcousineau (talk) 14:17, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, to use an example, "File:Tyler, Smith, Texas. Documerica Exhibition - NARA - 553001.jpg": for the Ford images, would you like me to substitute in "GFPLM" for "NARA"? Other than that, I'll plan on making it identical (unless you want the "NARA" in the titles). Also, do you want me to use the dashes like the NARA images do, or parentheses like you originally mentioned? Thanks! Michael Barera (talk) 14:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Use dashes. Use NARA in title. Copy their format exactly. Thanks for asking, good call. Bdcousineau (talk) 14:38, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

I will: thanks! I'm working on the spreadsheet now... Michael Barera (talk) 14:42, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

something else. I need you to check if the following are in Commons: Ford's Daily Diary, Carter's Daily Diary, Carter's contact sheets, Census maps 1950 and prior, and anything with this in the template: Record Group 330: Records of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, 1921 - 2008 or Department of Defense, American Forces Information Service, Defense Visual Information Center. (1994 - ) (Most Recent) or Department of Defense, Defense Audiovisual Agency, (06/21/1979 - 09/30/1985) (Predecessor) or Department of Defense, Department of the Navy, Naval Imaging Command, (1988 - ca. 1993) (Predecessor). If we get traction with the DPLA guys I want to make sure we're donating materials not already on Commons, right? Curious to know what you'll find. Bdcousineau (talk) 15:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
OK, I'll get on that in a second. I've just finished the spreadsheet, and I'm e-mailing it to you now. As soon as I'm done with that, I'll start searching for those topics in Commons. Michael Barera (talk) 15:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the categories / images you asked about, I searched for them here on Commons (which looks for both categories and images), and here are the results:

  • Ford's Daily Diary: one file in a basic (two category) category structure
  • Carter's Daily Diary: one file in a single category
  • Carter's contact sheets: nothing (just hits for Jimmy Carter appearing in images in Ford contact sheets)
  • Census maps 1950 and prior: nothing
  • Record Group 330: Records of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, 1921 - 2008: category exists with two subcategories, which hold a total of 5 images between them
  • Department of Defense, American Forces Information Service, Defense Visual Information Center. (1994 - ) (Most Recent): 5 total hits, but apparently no category
  • Department of Defense, Defense Audiovisual Agency, (06/21/1979 - 09/30/1985) (Predecessor): nothing
  • Department of Defense, Department of the Navy, Naval Imaging Command, (1988 - ca. 1993) (Predecessor): nothing

Michael Barera (talk) 15:43, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

LOD - Ford contact sheets, daily diary, artifacts, meeting minutesEdit

Here's what I imagine (remember paucity of writer's tech skills!):

create parameter for example files relating to Pres and Mrs. Ford btwn xyx date and xyz date tell bot to create links between all files with abc date in anywhere in template

that returns results that link a dress worn to a dinner event to photos made to diary events to press releases to meeting minutes to any record created that day, expand the parameter to include dept of defense images for example, we can figure out what Vietnam image was taken while the Fords had breakfest.

We have created a time machine. Not sure how it helps Wikipedia, though, seems like original research. Bdcousineau (talk) 14:39, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

The way you're thinking about the data is akin to w:Microsoft Live Labs Pivot. They had some really nice demos, but they seem to be taken down. There is a demo at for NetFlix (requires IE and silverlight). However, these short videos Gary Flake: is Pivot a turning point for web exploration? (TED) and Microsoft Live Labs Pivot (YouTube) explain/demonstrate it well. Let me know what you think of pivot. The point is that Wikipedia displays information statically and the only way to really display this would be through some sort of non-interactive lists which are fine for many uses. You should just be aware that a more dynamic/interactive approach may be better. Provided the metadata is there, you can link photos on the same day/month/etc. But how do you want to display that link?Smallman12q (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
ok, only three years late to the party. We talked about this in Cali (Day Two: "We also heard about a Library at UC Boulder building a similar open data project, but in a specific time/place - WWI Belgium. They are partnering with Aalto U in Finland".). My concern then is still now: that is so cool, but what comes after cool? What good do these connections do researchers? Although a prof at Rutgers I know is doing "A year in the life of post-war Naples" - this would make her life easier, for sure! I am planning to contact the lady from Boulder to check in.
As for onwiki, on the Commons file page there could be link called "linked data" that leads to a gallery page with all the relevant material pulled in. Can a bot build a gallery page? That could include any relevant material in the Wiki projects, shown as a picture, not a list item. Then Wikimedia itself becomes a aggregator tool, right? So Wikipedians go to Commons for lots of diverse material, but it's still all primary sources, at least at first. Soon that lil bot could pull in material outside of the wiki-sister projects. And this is useful because many links on the bibliographies are dead, which is could see that in the gallery image, and know not to follow it. Crap, this sounds like a grant-able idea. But also just just a different version of DPLA. If you put Pivot into Wikipedia articles, you would change the landscape of the bibliographies - they would become visual, right (couldn't actually see Pivot, iPad got scared)?
DPLA is great, but Wikipedia has the audience and the google positioning - giving Wikipedia an aggregator function also would be a way to get the public into LOD, mebbe. Off project, tho, really.
Once we get the Ford Diaries, perhaps we can devise a test - there will be enough Ford material to link up. A fun summer project. After May 6, my schedule opens up.
Looking forward to more comments on this. Bdcousineau (talk) 15:56, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
A linked data function would be extremely useful for donators like NARA, with lots of intertwined material. Bdcousineau (talk) 16:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
There's an HTML5 example of pivot at which should work on ipad, (IE and silverlight are windows only). As mentioned before, Wikimedia projects are static, so there's isn't really any interactive w:GUI or whatnot. However, early pivot example used the wikipedia API and had some nice category examples, so something could be built like that. DPLA could add pivot-like functionality to their site. These are just different forms of w:Data visualization. If you could do a mockup of what you'd like on the commons, that'd be helpful (and yes bots can build galleries). Commons is supposed to have primary sources. Different projects have different requirements and purposes. Wikivoyage doesn't even support citation templates.Smallman12q (talk) 17:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
oh YAY~ but let's get one thing done at a time, for now that's the DPLA, otherwise my head will break. Could the process of moving NARA records from DPLA to Commons eventually get semi-automated, freeing up brainspace for other projects? Bdcousineau (talk) 19:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Aside from adding cats (categories), it should be automated.Smallman12q (talk) 21:11, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

AWWWW-yeah! I meant can it be always running in the background while we figure out this linking project's not either or right? Bdcousineau (talk) 00:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
And check this out - is this what you meant by "non-interactive list"? Bdcousineau (talk) 00:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC) Will mull over mock-up as suggested. Thanks for details. Bdcousineau (talk) 01:49, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Something along those lines...there are many lists (w:List of lists of lists). The best ones are at w:Wikipedia:Featured lists. You may want a timeline such as w:Timeline of the presidency of Barack Obama (2009) or w:Timeline of the presidency of John F. Kennedy. Most presidents don't have timelines or these lists. You could do w:Timeline of the presidency of Gerald Ford. Also, not entirely related, but you should expand the 1975 and 1976 State of the Union articles which are less than a paragraph. You can see what articles a president has by going to Category:Presidency of <name>. Smallman12q (talk) 11:52, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Great suggestion about the 1975 and 1976 State of the Union articles, I will put it on the WiR summer to-do list. Right up his alley. Those timelines are not what I'm thinking of, really. A.) These galleries would live on Commons. B.) The galleries would be useful mainly for collections around notable people/event (I think). C.) The galleries would collect material culture samples of what happened during a particular time period. D.) The gallery could be entered from any Commons image file connected to it (remember those Easter eggs you could look in to? This would be an Easter egg with multiple view holes... with the data as the scene. But this is sounding like the UC Boulder project now. I emailed Thea; maybe I'll get more details from her. What intrigues me about this is automating it, so that each time a file gets donated to Commons, if it fits certain parameters, it would also get sorted into the correct gallery. Which is already happening to some extent. More mulling needed. Bdcousineau (talk) 20:44, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Saw the Pivot demos. Got the distinction btwn static lists and GUIs now. Bdcousineau (talk) 20:59, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Sorting on attributes could be done, but I'm not sure how worthwhile it'd be on the commons. Now that you've seen the pivot demo, you may understand why a dynamic display would be better than a static list for this.Smallman12q (talk) 01:07, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Look at this blog from yesterday. Jarekt's comment mirrors my thinking ... hope to visit with him at the GLAM Boot Camp. Yesterday I thought about the search function at various shopping sites, Zappos, Macy's. That's not GUI, but not so static either. May send him a note... Why is "sorting on attribute" not so useful on Commons? Bdcousineau (talk) 22:47, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
It'd be useful and the original pivot demo let you sort article "cards" by category. I will ask on wikitech mailing list (which is very active) if there are any plans to add sort on category for media.Smallman12q (talk) 01:16, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

from Multichill via twitter Bdcousineau (talk) 10:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Regarding renaming and template updates of the files to be standardizedEdit

OK, I've renamed and standardized the first of that list of files in the spreadsheet that need work, as a sort of proof-of-concept. Here it is: File:Soviet General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev greets President Ford – NARA – 7157128.jpg. What do you think? Are there any bugs that need to be worked out? I want to make sure that we get this, the first one, up to code before we do any more. That way, we can use this image as an effective model for the rest of the files that need work. Just let me know what needs changing, if anything, either here or on my talk page. Take care! Michael Barera (talk) 05:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

This is exactly right - great job! As more photos come online, it'll be essential to make sure the ARC numbers match the frame, as Kennerly (in particular) took lots of sequential shots - as evidenced in the upload record. Can the rest be done in a batch, or must they by hand? I can help if by hand, only pockets of available time in the next ten days. Btwn April 22 - May 5 will be changing exhibits, that will be have to be my main focus.
Also, added somethig to discussion about DPLA/batch upload above - check up there. Have a great day! Looking forward to seeing you soon. Bdcousineau (talk) 15:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Very cool! I made a mistake with the first move, as I used m-dashes instead of the standard NARA n-dashes (I've now fixed this by moving the image again). I've also just managed to convert the "Source/Photographer" field to a simple "Source" field (less confusing, especially because most of the "Authors" for the Ford images are photographers). Finally, I've created new language-switching templates for both the Library and the Museum so that internationalization is now built-in and we're not just linking to the English Wikipedia article from the Source field. So, it seems like so far so good: the only thing is that the rest of these changes will have to be done by hand, but we have less than 100 to do, so it shouldn't take too long. Can I work on it at the Library on Friday? (Please, please, please! I feel like a little kid, haha!) Michael Barera (talk) 16:09, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Of course - btw, you can tell me what you're doing, don't have to wait for me to assign task, esp. if exciting for you! Remember, I'm the newbie, learning from you. Thanks, love the excitement, makes the bureaucratic crap less ..... less .... less crappy. Bdcousineau (talk) 16:16, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

UPDATE: I've now finished the first set of files in the spreadsheet, those that detail the Vladivostok Summit. What do you think? Michael Barera (talk) 20:35, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

So much better. When we get to materials from other PresLibraries, we can use this format. I assume that files from other PresLibs do not have institution tags. The photographer tags are most likely non-existent too. Fun side project - make a photographer tag for Abbie Rowe. He documented a lot of Truman. NARAbot uploded his work. Perhaps Ansel Adams needs one too - former Park Service employee. Bdcousineau (talk) 00:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Actually, both Rowe and Adams have creator templates already (hooray Wikipedia!), and three other presidential libraries/museums have institution templates already (Johnson, Nixon, and Reagan). The rest will need to be created, but it is already a good start, especially considering that no collaborations have yet begun at any of these institutions. Michael Barera (talk) 05:47, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for doing a more thorough search. There's no article that I could find on Abbie Rowe, who deserves one (maybe I just haven't found it). On Friday, if you have a moment, can you please make an institution template for the Carter Library? That will be useful soon. Thanks. Bdcousineau (talk) 19:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

GLAM activities in the USA in March 2013Edit

Hello Bdcousineau, You have written before for the newsletter This Month in GLAM. I see the USA is missing regarding the edition about March 2013, do you perhaps have any idea what GLAM activities were done in the USA in March? Can you perhaps write about those? Or do you know who I can ask to write about it? Thanks! (Deadline of the March edition is Monday 8 April.) You can start writing via the page outreach:GLAM/Newsletter/Newsroom. If you wish to be informed by e-mail next time, please write me at this page. You can reach me the best at nl-wiki talk page. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 02:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Romaine - This was a GLAM event that happened in March - many US GLAMmers where there. Look for the Ford project to add something in the April/May issue - what are the deadline? Also, there is this Boot Camp - perhaps contact Dominic or Lori? Thanks so much for contacting us. Bdcousineau (talk) 14:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello Bdcousineau, Later today in 2 hours is the deadline, but I am willing to extend that some hours if it gives you time to write the US GLAM section. Please let me know when it is ready! Greetings - Romaine (talk) 16:18, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm working on getting you something. I'll let you know soon-ish. Bdcousineau (talk)
Posted to the page. Feel free to edit, whatever. Thanks! Bdcousineau (talk) 16:50, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Romaine (talk) 14:04, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

No rushEdit

Thank you again. There is no rush at all. Weeks, months is fine. I have a couple more that you may wish to help with. w:Trudy Huskamp Peterson and w:Karen Finney. They may not have PD-Gov images at your facility but you may know someone who does have some. I emailed Ms. Finney through the Huffington Post site because there is a bad image of her that has a free licence on the net. She recently asked for help with her article so now that others from the BLPN help board have seen the article some fool may upload the tiny/fuzzy picture of her from the net.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:33, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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DPLA - more emailsEdit

Wednesday is the day to email Pamela (NARA) and Emily (DPLA). Bdcousineau (talk) 01:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

DPLA - perhaps ARTStor?Edit

NARA unhappy to participate in download project ... what about ArtStor? Bdcousineau (talk) 22:30, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

 -so is NARA in or not...confused. Also, DPLA announced new API in mailing list...will try to check tmrw (will see if NARA data there). Am busy IRL until next week. Smallman12q (talk) 01:14, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for checking the API. NARA angry that staff person would initiate this collaboration. Many emails, lots of high level personages cc'd. From the Office of Innovation: "This effort is being coordinated through my office, as we are the NARA point of contact for DPLA and Wikipedia" - and so on. There was a lot more, nothing remotely collaborative. Am I missing something crucial, isn't the point that the DPLA is an open resource? for all to use? Clearly the Office of Inovation interested to work with Wikipedians just not this one. Stay on course for now. Bdcousineau (talk) 02:02, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

The attack of overenthusiasm :-) I see three fixable problems:

  1. There's no central project page describing your vision, steps involved, and a sample timeline - so it is easy to lose track of what is being proposed by whom.
  2. You are writing as though there aren't existing collabs in place, which can start some discussions on the wrong foot.
  3. Your messaging is distracting from what you want to accomplish. You are using terms like "first customer" which some people may think apply to other (current) projects.

Pam is a friend of mine, and I have worked with her on Wiki projects in the past - shall I call her tomorrow? Where does your correspondence with her stand? --SJ+ 11:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for adding much needed experience.
  1. Can do today.
  2. ok.
  3. ok. Not sure I understand "other (current) projects".
Pam has sent emails to DPLA and NARA congratulating my enthusiasm, but identifying this project as a NARA-based initiative. It was proposed it as a Wikimedia-based initiative, this important nuance is getting lost. It's unclear what will happen next, as NARA may continue to comment. Perhaps a phone call might do some good. Really appreciate your guidance. Bdcousineau (talk) 11:51, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
First pass at project page. Will continue to work on time line, steps involved, etc. Continued appreciation! Bdcousineau (talk) 17:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll spend today at the Ford working on template standardizationEdit

Unless you object, I plan to spend my day at the Ford today working on template standardization for the images in the spreadsheet that you gave me. I'm about a quarter of the way done, so I'll see how far I can get. If everything goes perfectly, I might (just might) be able to finish it all today [fingers crossed]. Michael Barera (talk) 13:39, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

No objections here! I was just writing on your page. I have a couple of small tasks if you need diverting, but they can be done at any point in the future. Have fun! Bdcousineau (talk) 13:44, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good: right now, I'm actually working on getting the rest of the creator templates created (Thomas, Schumacher, Kightlinger, Fitz-Patrick, and Shaddix). They're pretty bare-bones right now (my next goal is to get images into all of them), but they will help make {{GFPLM-image-full}} look more standardized and, as they grow into the future, they'll become more useful. I am looking for basic biographical information on all the photographers, though (Ken is away from his desk right now: I'm hoping to ask him about it today). If you know any of this information (Nationality [to confirm: for now, I'm assuming they're all American], Birth date/year, Birth location, Death date/year (if applicable), Death location (if applicable), Work location (if anything other than White House employment is known)) or where to find it, I'd love to know. Thanks and take care! Michael Barera (talk) 14:30, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
That sounds like fun, actually. Ken is the best person for that information. Is he working at the Research Room Reference Desk? Perfect spot to answer those questions. Or email him email address is on the website under "staff". 14:55, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Alright, so I'm just about out of time for the day, and I've finished a little over half of the images on the spreadsheet (creating the creator templates slowed me down a good deal, but now we have them going forward: they were essentially another thing off my long-term to do list). I've finished through the Operation Fluid Drive/Lebanon evacuation set. If I have some time over the weekend, I will try to continue working on this project. I'm getting closer to the end, but there is still plenty of work to be done. Have a nice weekend! Michael Barera (talk) 17:59, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Sounds like a fun day. See you soon - next week. Bdcousineau (talk) 19:29, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

UPDATE: I have just finished the spreadsheet. Now all of the files have been renamed and {{GFPLM-image-full}} has been added to each (with the fields all filled out appropriately, of course). I think there are a couple bugs to work out, however: a couple of the ARC ID numbers didn't link properly and another couple linked to similar but slightly different images. Also, there were a few cases of date discrepancies between what the images had originally and the dates given in the spreadsheet (I'm not sure which were correct, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed the spreadsheet values were correct: you may want to check that, though). Anyway, you may want to run through all those images and just make sure the ARC IDs and dates are correct. Enjoy the rest of your weekend! Michael Barera (talk) 19:55, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

a shout-out from GLAM-WIKI UKEdit

GLAM on Sarah! Bdcousineau (talk) 00:07, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Talkback at User_talk:Michael_Barera.Smallman12q (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

GLAMwiki in LondonEdit

Sam Leon addresses questions I've had. Bdcousineau (talk) 15:19, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

GLAM boot camp etherpadEdit

via Twitter thanks Neal S.

Day one etherpad Bdcousineau (talk) 20:54, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Day two. Slides on metrics from Day two some of these are new to me. Bdcousineau (talk) 12:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Day three. more metrics info for later when needed. Bdcousineau (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Consortium meeting added too. Bdcousineau (talk) 18:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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