User talk:Danorton

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Please feel free to correspond with me here on issues that don't belong on other talk pages. If your comment is one-way, please don't be offended if I simply remove it. I have read it and considered it. If it's polite and warrants or requests a reply, I'll reply. Thank you.

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Commons:Deletion requests/File:George H. W. Bush - portrait by Herbert Abrams (1994).jpgEdit

I agree completely with the substance of your remarks here, but let me suggest that you cool it a little. The image has been here for six years and another seven days will not change that materially. If it were speedied, or deleted before the seven days are up, it would almost certainly appear immediately at UnDR, where it would get less considered discussion.

Deletion of portraits of presidents and other federal officials is often heated, because many of our colleagues don't understand that something done for the Federal government is not necessarily PD, and because they think it would be a good thing if we had all the images.

You might want to comment at:

.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 18:57, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

And, by the way, when expressing an opinion at a DR, it is helpful to all if you make it clear which side you are on by using either of

  • {{Vk}} which produces   Keep
  • {{Vd}} which produces   Delete

or, if you are simply commenting, without taking a position:

  • {{Cmt}} which produces   Comment

.     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 19:14, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, but I have no intention to "cool it". You clearly chose to enter the debate and you clearly chose to avoid the heat by refusing to take responsibility to delete the copyright violation. You might avoid the heat from the wrong side, but you shouldn't expect to avoid the heat from the right side if you refuse to clearly choose the right side. —Danorton (talk) 19:24, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
I have no problem with heat, as many of my 125,000 contributions to WMF will show. However, I choose to work with this community, within its policy and its unwritten rules. We do not use {{Speedy}} or {{Copyvio}} on controversial deletions, as these inevitably will be.
As you gain more experience here, you will find that in order to accomplish anything on a regular basis you must work with our colleagues, not at cross-purposes to them. That does not mean being a patsy, or not taking responsibility, but working cooperatively with allies and not antagonizing them. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 01:31, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Contrary to your clearly condescending suggestion, I have no intention of antagonizing anyone, but only reporting the facts accurately. If those facts bother you, then that seems like an issue for you alone. If you dispute the facts, I hope that you will present your version. —Danorton (talk) 23:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
The tone of my message was inappropriate, for which I am sorry, but the substance was not. You put a {{Speedy}} tag on the image and I reverted it, because the speedy was against policy. You then accused me of "avoiding the heat" without understanding that I was simply following policy.
I say, without condescension, that it would be good if you followed both simple custom, such as replying to discussions where they started, not on the other person's talk page, and policy, such as not using speedy tags for controversial deletions. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 12:14, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
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