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Burkina Faso Pictures of Latrines and Sanitation in Burkina Faso
Latest comment: 9 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion
Hi Fæ! I saw that you recently uploaded a lot of images related to EU sanitation projects in burkina faso. I've spent a bunch of time trying to add them to existing category "Sanitation in Burkina Faso" but it's taking a while. would you mind lending me a hand and just removing all of the other tags for the images? If you would like, you could even add the relevant tags like "Sanitation in Ouagadougou" or "Latrines in Ouagadougou". Thanks again,Monopoly31121993 (talk) 11:04, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
@Monopoly31121993: Hi, I'm away from my desktop but I could do some simple sorting while on the move. I am not completely sure what you are looking for. I could go through the top parent category of 10,000 images and find all that mention 'Burkina Faso' and then add them to Sanitation in Burkina Faso. Would that do? Looking at the sub category itself, the couple I clicked on look reasonably categorized already. --Fæ (talk) 15:39, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for thinking of me, but I have avoided the drama of most category deletion discussions for some years, based on several negative experiences on the English Wikipedia. I note that the discussion has been running for so long that some of the comments are from people since retired, so I would be unsure whether it can reach a satisfying conclusion. Happy New Year anyway. --Fæ (talk) 20:04, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
I think your contributions are the foundation. I've seen it pointed out about en.wiki that most readers couldn't give a shit less if an article is GA/FA. Here, people want to make use of the all the great material you bring to Commons. I know it would be more convenient if you were an admin, and validating to a certain extent, but the people who use and appreciate your contribs don't give a shit who's got what buttons. My deletions are fine and all that, but your images and videos are quite a bit more important in the end aren't they? I'm just a fucking school janitor when it comes to it, while you're a teacher of sorts. How's that for a half-ass metaphor? INeverCry19:57, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the encouragement. In truth I have not done much for at least 3 months and have been pondering the benefits of abandoning "Fae", there are many.
I look forward to a time when Wikimedia projects are a much safer space and both idiots and those who should know better, who use malicious off-wiki tactics to force others to get disillusioned, politically blackballed or driven to retire, are exposed for exactly what they are. Fortunately those that are serious about Commons are too busy doing good stuff... --Fæ (talk) 21:18, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Latest comment: 9 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion
Fae, given that both MichaelMaggs and The Land have seen fit to publicly comment on you at your RFA, you can consider my request to adhere from commenting on WMUK, etc null and void. It's been said that it was you who would struggle to avoid making comments and that there was no way you would make it to December 2015. I never thought for one moment (well actually I did) that Maggs and Keating wouldn't even be able to see 2014 out without talking the usual nonsense about you.
You'll see that that Keating is now getting a bit shirty because I'm making an issue of his mismanagement as trustee at WMUK being hugely responsible for the dire shit that WMUK now finds itself in.
Regardless of the outcome of the RFA, I do hope (and know) that you will continue to contribute here. Don't pay much attention to the trolling blow-ins (Spartaz, etc) either. russavia (talk) 14:05, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
It would be interesting if someone were to find out exactly how people who edit this project so incredibly rarely, such as Spartaz, have found my RFA so readily. It's a genuine mystery to me, is there a Facebook group where people are coordinating their engagement with Commons? If so, I probably ought to join it. --Fæ (talk) 15:07, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Seriously, who cares how they find out about such things. There's solutions to prevent blow in trolls, such as Spartaz, from disrupting this project. The edit count thing I mentioned on IRC is something that would be easy to implement and monitor.
As to joining any groups, let me tell you how I look at things. If I were in a room full of people who I would want to stab in the throat with a fork (meaning that I have no respect for them and they simply should just shut up and keep their narrow-minded views and outlooks to themselves), I certainly wouldn't be joining any online group made up of the same people. Just keep doing what you are on Commons. russavia (talk) 20:50, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
I have now read some of Spartaz's public off-wiki unpleasantness and bile. It is a pity that they did not include their off-wiki hatred of me in the RFA. Considering I have not interacted with Spartaz for years (when I relied on him for help in his role as a trusted user), and he has basically been inactive on Commons for just as long, this sort of behaviour seems more that slightly obsessive; I am sure anyone with common sense can work out what it is about me that excites his passion. Yes, I will not be joining him in the gutter. --Fæ (talk) 13:28, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Re-cating a bunch of images
Latest comment: 9 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
I'm working on ABM-related files now, and found a number relating to the Michelson site that should be catted under Safeguard Program, or in retrospect, something about the Stanley R. Mickelsen Safeguard Complex. I thought there were only a few, but it looks like there's many pages of these. Do you have any idea how we could re-cat these en-masse? here is an example. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:57, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
If there are a few hundred or fewer, then Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot is an easy tool to manually mark many at a time and recategorize. Otherwise I suggest you look at Help:VisualFileChange.js which can handle a thousand images or more. For a bot to do it, the request needs to be as a simple as "match all files in this category with text X on the image page and move them to that category", rather than any qualitative or subjective judgement. --Fæ (talk) 14:10, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Latest comment: 9 years ago7 comments2 people in discussion
I asked this question over at the Help desk but you may be able to answer it. Apart from laboriously counting them is there a way of tracking the number of daily file deletions? Cheers. Alan Liefting (talk) 03:31, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
The number of file deletions is logged in the wiki-database in a table called filearchive. This makes it possible for the API to check against the SHA1 to see if an uploaded file is digitally identical to one deleted in the past and warn the user/programmer/upload wizard. The table is easy to query using standard SQL, so there is no problem reporting this or charting it publicly, I suspect someone is doing this as one of the standard operations reports but it is quicker for me to go look at it. For example here are the total deletions by day so far this year, and deletions by year for all time. The reports took 1 and 2 seconds to run respectively:
Thanks a lot for that. And thanks for the promptness. Those numbers are frighteningly high and confirmed my suspicion that we are overworked because of the ease of being able to add inappropriate files. Alan Liefting (talk) 08:35, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Sure, that's a possible conclusion, but to understand the figures would take some fairly deep analysis of the common events surrounding the deletions. You have to keep in mind some very large bundle deletions and improvements in deletion and tracking tools over the years. For example the URAA discussion resulted in mass undeletions on copyright grounds (filearchive only shows the deleted log, which is not removed on undeletion and so may skew our interpretation) and I recall arranging deletion of 17,000 of my own uploads in one day last year because of a mistake on a batch upload from the previous week; neither of these examples relate to 'inappropriate' files, they are just part of the cut and thrust of getting uploads sorted out as best we can. --Fæ (talk) 08:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
@Steinsplitter: has been improving these, I'm sure he can add something like this to the bot. I not that rather than filearchive, using logging is more often chosen. I'm not sure why either way, but that's something to ponder.
By the way, in his time as an administrator, Russavia made 67,112 deletions on Commons. In terms of unnoticed housekeeping that's a fine record. --Fæ (talk) 09:32, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Help needed
Latest comment: 9 years ago13 comments3 people in discussion
Hello Fae,
User:Alan Liefting made a mistake and removed the category Israel form a lot of files so they left a files without a category. he added "Removing from Category:Israel" to the edit summary. Can you made a "hocus pocus" :) with you tools so I can have a list of this that I coud be able to use cat a lot to add the category back? -- Geagea (talk) 03:39, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
I wasn't a mistake. It was a judgement call that I made to clean up Israel related files. I had recategorised some of them. Others are now uncategorised and will be flagged as uncategorised. This will prompt editors to recategorise them correctly. The country categories such as Category:Israel should have very few if any files in it and the Israel category huge numbers of files in it for some time. Alan Liefting (talk) 04:01, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
No Alan, they are not flagged as uncategorised, they simply uncategorised and nobody will know about them. The correct way is to move them to other category - people of Israel, nature of Israel etc. -- Geagea (talk) 04:06, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
There is a bot that goes around flagging pages as uncategorised. Sure, the correct way is to have them categorised into the appropriate subcategory and I did that with some of them. After I removed the Israel category a bot also went through and categorised some based on location. The remainder have to be done manually. Alan Liefting (talk) 04:20, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
This is no solution. They are better to be categories rather then to be un categories. In a working place when all the time new files uploaded you will find all the time files in this category to be classified not to be removed from the category. different from other projects the aim of Commons is to provide a media file repository not to hide it. I have no doubt about your intention to help but uncategorized files are useless. -- Geagea (talk) 04:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much Fae. But the point is that I cant use cat a lot in this page. There is anything can be done? -- Geagea (talk) 08:05, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah, cat-a-lot used to be able to take a page of thumbnails (or search results) and categorize them, but this appears to have stopped and never been fixed for a very long time (I have just changed its help page to reflect this fact). If you can establish a consensus, I would be happy to add a temporary category so they can be moved about by anyone. --Fæ (talk) 10:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Could you explain what this ranking means for us? I presume you are thinking of which images are good for curating or for dodging deletion, but I probably missed some earlier conversation. If we start a regular report, it could be that the formula can be refined to be more meaningful as others review it or start using it. --Fæ (talk) 20:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Categories of collections
Latest comment: 9 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion
Faebot faithfully follows whatever the settings are at User:Faebot/GLAM_dashboard#Requests. If the parent locations have not been created, they will be redlinks, even if the sub-pages exist. I think this is related to your observation, but I'm not 100% sure this is what you mean. --Fæ (talk) 17:22, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
I'll add this to my backlog. The change would be to ensure that any categories remain on the report page when updates are written. --Fæ (talk) 12:24, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Ashley. I do a lot of patrolling of uncatted images like those in Category:Media needing categories as of 6 May 2014. I've found quite a few that were still tagged with {{Uncategorized}} even though they had perfectly good categories; often specific ones, such as paintings with the painter cats. Some of these were from batch uploads done with User:DcoetzeeBot, and others were from different batch uploads, etc. Is there any way to set up a bot that scan through images with {{Uncategorized}}, find the ones that have legit cats, and remove {{Uncategorized}} in those cases? I figure there are likely thousands of images with this issue. Thanks for your time. INeverCry00:32, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Sure, Faebot can do this. I currently have a script going through Geograph uploads but only a tiny percentage appear to have 2 or more good categories added (see #Faebot). The problem will be distinguishing useful 'legit' cats from others like "photos by", "taken with", camera types, check categories etc; as we have no solid standards for these.
Not this week, I'll add it to my backlog as something to play with.
To give you an idea how slow Faebot can be, here's a clip from my terminal from the Geograph sniffer:
Loop 64800 Done so far 3 17:55:50
Loop 64850 Done so far 3 18:01:18
Loop 64900 Done so far 3 18:05:57
Graveyard of the signs - geograph.org.uk - 890886.jpg
Signs in Scotland, No trespassing signs
Found 2 visible categories, trimming Uncategorized-Geograph template
Updating page [[File:Graveyard of the signs - geograph.org.uk - 890886.jpg]] via API
Loop 64950 Done so far 4 18:11:49
Loop 65000 Done so far 4 18:17:37
Loop 65050 Done so far 4 18:22:54
I could speed this up, by taking an archive dump and running the checks locally, but this takes a bit of serious planning considering how big the files are. It might speed things up to have Faebot's throttle removed, but I am cautious about taking that route. --Fæ (talk) 00:51, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
I'll drop the task on the presumption that the proposed bot will sort it out. I can see this is in Tcl and it looks good, but I have no experience in that language. --Fæ (talk) 10:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, however the photograph appears to be an old one taken during a USSR broadcast. The post to Flickr was recent and explains nothing about the source, nor makes any claim that the poster was the original copyright holder. Please do convert to a deletion request if this requires further discussion or an independent assessment. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 10:26, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
FP Promotion
Latest comment: 9 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Thanks, it's a shame that it is not part of the process that uploaders get notified. I have discovered FPs of my uploads by accident. --Fæ (talk) 08:44, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
File:The veins in a human body Wellcome L0074577.jpg
Latest comment: 9 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I really appreciate your help! As you could see I was kind of lost not knowing what to do. I will read carefully the link that you sent me to upload in a proper way.
@Glaunakamura: No problem. Using the default upload wizard, there is an option in it to quote your source as an existing Commons image. Don't be scared of having a go, you can't break anything, or at least nothing that cannot be rolled back. --Fæ (talk) 23:10, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Latest comment: 9 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Hi, If you think that these are useful, please check files with a meaningless title and no description. I may nominate them for deletion otherwise. I think that uploads need better care than this. You can also see the list here: User:Dispenser/Double extension. Regards, Yann (talk) 01:03, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Latest comment: 9 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion
{Autotranslate|1=File:- Pure Oil Service Station, Intersection of U.S. 130 Northbound and Collingswood Circle. Southeast side of circle., Collingswood, Camden County, NJ HABS NJ,4-COLWO,2-10.tif|base=Image license}} Stefan4 (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Left a comment at AN. Any HABS image is reliably PD, it may be more useful to add these to a backlog category than template them, or filter a SQL generated list and email to me. Fæ (talk) 00:49, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Though I'm not at home, I did manage to log in to WMFlabs on my tiny netbook and get into SQL. Running the following query probably includes the listed files, plus any other drop outs that may have occurred during my uploads, with a total of 922 files. Not all are from the HABS/HAER archives. It took 22 minutes to run though, so I would not want to refresh this too often in a day. Being able to pull this, or the equivalent, is handy if I do another large upload on Commons. I have urgent other stuff this week, but can probably knock the majority of these out in the week following.
SELECT
CONCAT("File:",img_name),
img_timestamp
FROM image
WHERE
img_user =1086557
AND NOT EXISTS (SELECT * FROM page WHERE img_name=page_title)
P.S. Try to avoid running bots and creating 'missing license' notices on these, they actually then drop off this list as the image page is no longer blank, and I have to make a different query to discover them. --Fæ (talk) 11:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
@Stefan4: I'm calling this Done for the moment. The dozen left are not HABS but other batch uploads and can be gradually fixed by hand, based on others in the same series. --Fæ (talk) 14:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing this, Fæ! I wish that the WMF would fix the bug in MediaWiki which causes this problem in the first place, but I guess that it is higher priority for them to ban administrators and superprotect pages... --Stefan4 (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. Each year the list of things the WMF is doing to ensure long term volunteers pause to look around for better ways to use their unpaid free time seems to get longer and sadder. --Fæ (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
FYI
Latest comment: 9 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion
I reviewed that discussion, Fæ, which has now been closed. I'm concerned that personal attacks and very poor discussion practice are apparently tolerated, with no talk page warnings to users. However, we can expect the Russavia situation to generate this, it has always been par for the course for iffy global bans, this goes way back.
Steady on, Fæ, be careful about insisting too much, even if you are right. (For example, blanking of what certainly looked like a legal threat without a note, when it had already received response, no, no, no. Strikeout is appropriate for retraction with a note apologizing. As well, quoting comments made in a separate process in a new process is a very bad idea, and you properly objected to it. Some do this, indeed. Comments may be linked if one wants to do it, but surely Fæ is capable of making his own comments in the new forum, if he wants, right? I've seen this copying done with highly negative effect, comments being ripped out of context.) --Abd (talk) 16:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
File:Federal Art Project, Works Progress Administration art exhibition by artists of the Federal Art Project ... (at the) Albany Institute of History and Art LCCN98516718.jpg
Latest comment: 9 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Yes, I am aware of these, there are many thousands of my image pages affected. The function used to exist, however a media-wiki software guru decided to harmonize something for some technical reason, without showing any interest in doing any housekeeping or apparently testing to check consequences. I may analyse and fix them when I have bags of spare time. I am human and just like everyone else, I do not like being left with having to tidy up someone else's mess, especially when I have no idea who they are. --Fæ (talk) 12:39, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Latest comment: 9 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Hi, Fæ. I responded to your message on my talk page. I'm betting you don't have my talk page watchlisted so I thought I'd leave a message. I appreciate any help you can provide. KianaHooper (talk) 21:57, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
I downloaded the correct (49-MB) image from the source, out of curiosity, so can upload it right away—but I don’t want to risk some sort of upload-EC if you’re doing the same. Let me know if it‘s inconvenient for you at the moment, otherwise I‘ll assume you‘re on top of it and stay out of the way.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 18:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Please do go ahead. I have a bad wifi connection right now, and after 20 minutes my browser is forecasting another half hour before download completes; so I'd rather not upload the file from my connection (cancelling my download...). --Fæ (talk) 18:12, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
OK; the upload page is acting rather unresponsive at the moment. I‘ll keep trying, but it might not be as quick as I hoped. (Once the upload actually starts, I don’t expect it to take long … it’s just getting to that point that seems to be the problem.)—Odysseus1479 (talk) 18:33, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. The right licence is surprisingly hard to discover due to the way YouTube have obfuscated the basic information. --Fæ (talk) 11:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
Decategorization
Latest comment: 9 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Hallo Fae, I categorized some formerly uncategorized categories and your Faebot reverted me - a very bold and aggressive move, as he was surely only motivated by the intention to hurt my emotions and harass me. Or are there other reasons why these categories should stay uncategorized? Because of the lack of any category, they show up on "Special:Uncategorized categories", which should be fixed if the cats are left without uppercats intentionally. Best wishes, --Rudolph Buch (talk) 10:50, 19 February 2015 (UTC)R.
Category:Collection of West Midlands Police Museum/Reports/index; 02:19 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard index)
Category:Collection of West Midlands Police Museum/Reports/largest; 02:18 . . (-77) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard update largest)
Category:Collection of West Midlands Police Museum/Reports/most edited; 02:18 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard update most edited)
Category:Collection of West Midlands Police Museum/Reports/popular categories; 02:18 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard update popular categories)
Category:Collection of West Midlands Police Museum/Reports/improvement; 02:18 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard improvement suggestions)
Category:Collection of The New Art Gallery Walsall/Reports/index; 02:16 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard index)
Category:Collection of The New Art Gallery Walsall/Reports/largest; 02:16 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard update largest)
Category:Collection of The New Art Gallery Walsall/Reports/most edited; 02:16 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard update most edited)
Category:Collection of The New Art Gallery Walsall/Reports/volunteers; 02:16 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard update volunteer list)
Category:Collection of The New Art Gallery Walsall/Reports/wikimedia usage; 02:16 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard update usage)
Category:Collection of The New Art Gallery Walsall/Reports/popular categories; 02:15 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard update popular categories)
Category:Collection of The New Art Gallery Walsall/Reports/improvement; 02:15 . . (-64) . . Faebot (talk | contribs) (GLAM dashboard improvement suggestions)
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Hello again! While cleaning out disambiguation categories I‘ve come across some files relating to the Wellcome Research Institute aka WRI (also or including a library and a museum). I couldn‘t find any Wellcome-related cats other than as a source of images: these files concern the institution & its facilities themselves, not the content of the collection. I just thought you might have a better idea than most where such images ought to go.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 06:21, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
The 'parent' will be Category:Wellcome Trust, however we do not have categories for all the organizations within the the Wellcome. It could well be that a new category for images from the WRI is needed. --Fæ (talk) 11:03, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Book mislabelled at Wellcome
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Usine d'Auteuil.jpg - Ancienne pompe à feu d'Auteuil.jpg
Latest comment: 9 years ago3 comments1 person in discussion
Dear Fae,
I am writing in reply to your messages about the files Usine d'Auteuil.jpg et Ancienne pompe à feu d'Auteuil.jpg. As regard to the copyright, I have already sent to this addresses permissions-fr@wikimedia.org and permissions-commons-fr@wikimedia.org the réédition application for the picture with the business card of my chef to prove that we own the copyrights. Infact, the photos are published in our book : L'usine d'Auteuil, mise en scène de l'Eau à Paris , Henri Bresler SAGEP. SAGEP is the old name of Eau de Paris https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eau_de_Parishttp://www.eaudeparis.fr/lespace-culture/patrimoine/
If you would like any further information, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Thanks for replying. The Commons images currently show as "own work" with no explanation of the provenance of the photographs. In the absence of any other information, the apparent age of the photographs make a claim of own work inappropriate. If the photographer is unknown, and the date of the photograph is unknown, i.e. orphan works, then it remains unclear how Eau de Paris can make a valid claim of copyright ownership.
Could you please add the name of the photographer and the date taken (or a justifiable terminus ante quem) to the photographs? --Fæ (talk) 10:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for confirming the authorship information. I have added these details to the image page and removed the own work claim. Rodriguez-Tome's photograph would still be in copyright unless she transferred copyright to Eau de Paris or made the photograph public domain. The drawing thought to be 19th century might be public domain depending on whether it is anonymous or when a known artist died. Hopefully permissions-commons will not take long to handle your email. --Fæ (talk) 18:28, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Fae. The drawing it's anonymous.
Eaudeparislf
Dear Fae,
Despite the autorship informations the files have been deleted. Can I ask you the reason? I didn't receive any messages about.
Best regards,
Eaudeparislf
Hi, I am not trusted to be an administrator, so the reasons for action will be up to Fastily. I'm sure they'll answer your question on their user page shortly. --Fæ (talk) 11:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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I was thinking about your question but it got archived before I got round to a reply. I If you phrase it carefully there is no reason it would be inflammatory. I think we should encourage all admins, license reviewers and file movers to at least apply for OTRS membership but there are some people who would make good OTRS volunteers although they just haven't got round to applying for reviewer or filemover. For example I was a file mover, then an OTRS person and then an admin, so I suppose I was sort of strange candidate. Anyway, yeah, put forward the proposal but may be include file movers as an option? If you are worried about inflaming anyone, I suggest writing it here and asking one or two neutral folks to have a gander before you post it to the Village Pump. Cheers. P.S. are you thinking of applying for OTRS again? If you are, go for it. If not, why not? Green Giant (talk)13:47, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Template error on ~17k file description pages
Latest comment: 9 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
Hi Fæ, I hope you are well.
Earlier I was looking at an issue with Category:Files generated with WMUK equipment, specifically with a script error that seems to be appearing in every image that is uploaded by you in that category.
The issue is that the file description pages contain the following inside a template:
It invokes the "ISOyear" function in Module:Date. That module has been refactored to not provide that function anymore.
It should be possible to fix this by changing every instance of:
{{#invoke:Date|ISOyear|s=
to the following:
{{subst:ISOyear|
If you wish to do that with your bot, that's fine. If you haven't got time to do it, I'll start doing it with AWB or apply for bot approval on Commons to do it.
As a general point, I think it's a reasonable principle to not invoke Lua code directly and to stick only to using Lua functions via a small number of templates that invoke it. Templates can then serve as an interface to the underlying implementation of the underlying Lua code (much as in some programming languages like Java, it is considered good practice to separate out the interface and the implementation and then write only to the declared interface). I'd note that the documentation on Module:Date suggests that the functions used therein should only be called from {{Date}}. At some point, it'd be useful to do an audit of wikis including Commons to see how widely #invoke is being used in places outside of the Template namespace and sorting that out. I'll add that to my list of tasks to do when I have some time to do it. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Tom Morris, I've fixed a bunch of them using VisualFileChange, mainly because I had a spare half hour or so. Apart from the category you mentioned above, is this problem occuring in any other categories? Green Giant (talk)23:12, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
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You see to be good at playing with data. Can you create spreadsheet of the contributions of User:Geagea for 15 February 2015 and email it to me? I am concerned about the suitability of some of the files. Regards. Alan Liefting (talk) 06:31, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
No need for special tools, the toolbox contributions page does this for you: link
Take care with raw data as evidence, if you go looking for problems you are likely to find some and spend far less time checking context. Commons does not have an agreed principle for opposition research, however more experienced contributors still bring this up as an issue even though for most discussions, supporting them with verifiable data is a good thing.
As a counter-example, I am one of the top uploaders to Commons, this also puts me in the top "problem" uploaders as no batch upload can ever be perfect. --Fæ (talk) 09:56, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I wanted to pull out a set of file names from the html but I will do it another way. User:Geagea has uploaded a whole bunch of holiday snapshots that need deleting.
You may want to look at a nice text editor that is smart with REGEXP. I use JEdit http://www.jedit.org/ as a free opensource editor that does almost everything I want to shape cut&pasted reports. By the way there is a filter option for the contributions page, I think you have to chose it in Preferences. --Fæ (talk) 17:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thank you so much for all your hard work uploading (and all the related work that goes with it) large numbers of historical photographs to Commons. I've been working recently in a number of aircraft categories, and I'm really impressed by the historical aviation photos that you've shepherded onto this site. Please accept this barnstar as a small token of my appreciation. All the best! Michael Barera (talk) 23:08, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
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Hello again. There are a number of files in Category:Israel that start with "Israel Egypt" yet they appear to be of Israel. Can you do a batch rename to take out the word Egypt? I can't figure out how to do it. Thanks. Alan Liefting (talk) 17:48, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Fæ. I thought you might have some sort of script for it. I tried to get COM:VFC to do it but it could not quite do the job. Alan Liefting (talk) 06:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
License for a Photochrome print
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I ask you to cease immediately to stalk my edits related to OTRS and copyright. You are clearly doing this to undermine the OTRS system and its volunteers. Yann (talk) 13:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Utter rubbish. Questioning an OTRS ticket is not stalking, I refer you to the template that you use "If you are a Commons user and wish to confirm the permission, please leave a note at the OTRS noticeboard" which is precisely what I have done. Please stop your bad faith and threatening allegations and behave like an administrator is expected to. I made several hundred edits on Commons today, the questions raised about one of your tickets is a very small part of my activities, I have much more interesting things to do than stalk you.
I can assure the community that I have no intention of ceasing raising good faith questions about clear copyright failures and issues in order to protect the interests of copyright holders.
If your "cease immediately" is a threat to take me to AN/U, then please do not just make this a hostile environment, go ahead so that more mellow administrators can advise you on the administrator's noticeboard. Please do not continue to discuss it here, it will obviously be pointless and upsetting.
My talk page readers may wish to see the context of Yann's allegation here:
Sorry, I thought I had solved this. It might be limited to the index page. I'll investigate, though probably out of time today. Asking Yann about copyright took more time than I planned for. --Fæ (talk) 15:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
No worries, it isn´t an urgent matter. (But, as you mentioned your conversation with Yann: After I noticed other OTRS-related conversations a few days ago, me too had the impression that some of your interactions with OTRS people were not only motivated by the issue at hand but also by some other factors. I actually thought "Ups, is this some kind of campaign?". Not my business and I´m surely not someone who should or could judge your actions. Nevertheless, to be honest, it made me frown and I didn´t feel it was in line with the extreme value of your usual activities here at Commons.) Many thanks, --Rudolph Buch (talk) 18:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
With regard to OTRS, as an OTRS volunteer of a few years experience, I know exactly how it works. I also know exactly how it can be misleading. There is a massive backlog of OTRS validated images that have never been questioned, yet if anyone were to scratch the surface, it would become readily apparent that they are copyright violations. I am one of the few volunteers to have ever asked these questions, so it is not surprising that OTRS volunteers have reacted by taking me to AN/U and claiming that I am stalking them.
If you look at the handful of cases I have raised on the OTRS noticeboard in the last month, it shows an excellent track record for uncovering files that needed to be deleted or where changes had to be made to the license. I have asked politely, honestly and patiently, however I have been subject to attacks and allegations regardless of the good faith nature of my questions.
The new search facilities in Commons make it easy to track the use of {{PermissionOTRS}}, however with a blatantly hostile environment and a presumption of bad faith against anyone asking questions publicly, I doubt that many experienced Commons people are encouraged to try.
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Hello, I saw you put a **no permission** flag on the image, but it is correctly licensed cc-by-2.0 as reported by the FlickreviewR. I am going therefore to remove the flag. Let me know on my user's page if you have doubts. Cheers --Desigman78 (talk) 17:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your concerns, I checked the COM:FLICKR and I couldn't find any relevant procedure about "official" Flickrstream. Can you please point me to the related documentation on WikiCommons? The Flickr account belongs to the Italian Ambassador to UAE and pictures are marked as CC-BY-SA 2.0, therefore they should be compatible with WikiCommons requirements. --Desigman78 (talk) 21:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for adding more information. The photographer having died more than 70 years ago makes this public domain. I have swapped the licence accordingly. --Fæ (talk) 11:34, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
Obituaries for both the identified Martha Widau and Clara Vance are available and other records have turned out to have non-obvious links with later notable people; see the exemplar at User:Fæ/Flickr_API_detail#Flickr_Commons. The photographer's archive (Snyder) is itself an important record of the progress of the conventions of portrait photography in the first half of the 20th century, as well as providing records of the region, people and their fashions in those decades. These are in scope, even where the photographs are apparent rejects or damaged by age, these add value for a researcher and could benefit from digital restoration. --Fæ (talk) 10:23, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
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Hello,
I had nominated a wrong and misleading map for deletion (with the needed sources and proof) and put it according protocol and instruction in the list for 12 March manually, but it got deleted from there [[3]] (only from there)
Could you perhaps tell me why? Is everything I did for the rest correct for the nomination?
Thanks a lot in advance, would help me a lot. I know someone else did it but perhaps you could tell me earlier than he/she will :)
A map being misleading is not a rationale for deletion from Commons. The scope of Commons can include any image with an educational purpose, which can include deliberate false material, biased images or maps which are intended to lobby from any political viewpoint and may have no international "legal" meaning.
An easy response is to ensure the text of the image page includes information for the reuser as to why the image is controversial, and link them to an alternative image to use (if you have one) or sources to read about it.
As Yann was the one that deleted your new nomination, you could raise the issue of how best to proceed with him. --Fæ (talk) 22:58, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
It gets better
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File:Donning PPE- Introduction CDC01.webm and others on Ebola virus disease
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As important to put on the PPE is to remove it, and there isn't how to remove PPE. Have we permission for to put on PPE archives only, or we have permission for all the archives. I let a commentary on the talk page. Lleó Pastor (talk) 10:24, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
All CDC videos are public domain. However, when they are created in partnerships, there may be a release needed from the partner institutions if copyright is not clearly stated. --Fæ (talk) 11:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Upload
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Hi Fae! I was plased to read your message in the Village Pump about Upload Wizard. I have been curious to know what you use to upload and how you can charge so many files so fairly quickly. All suggestions are welcome! Thank you --Sailko (talk) 14:58, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
The answer is complex and easy . I have vaguely thought of writing up a blog post about my experience. Here's a quick bash at it:
I only started playing around with Python (it's free!) for the first time in 2013. During this time I experimented with the different parts of the API (see the Special:ApiSandbox where you can play with it online).
I wrote lots of small routines to do things otherwise quite hard on the normal wiki, for example:
Get information about metadata from the API for an image, so things like EXIF date, camera or copyright statements can be made available to a programme.
Use the API to run a search for text across Commons and return a list of suspect images. Very useful for pulling together subtle off-wiki reports that are too complex to do by hand, such as finding the largest images in a family of categories.
Work out how to download an image, use the Python Image Library to detect a border and crop the resulting image (I used this in practice for the Avionics uploads which had credit bars)
Test out some non-wiki internet projects, like how to log into a Library account on-line and have a bot automatically renew library books before they are due (incredibly handy to avoid fines)
To become competent in all this took me around a year, dropping in and out depending on bit of spare time. However as this was just me teaching myself, a lot was guesswork and experiment, so stuff that developers learn about on courses or from recommended text books (github, gerrit, the labs environment) are a separate challenge. It also means I can solve almost any problem in Python, however bots are written in several languages, such as PHP, which I have not played with properly.
At the same time I was playing with mw:Pywikibot, which makes available a nice set of modules within Python that sits on top of the API. For example, to read the source wikitext of a page on commons, you can use a call like mypage = pywikibot.Page(site, "User:Fæ/sandbox") and then you can grab the source by calling mypage.get(), put a new page with mypage.put() or look at different features of a page like mypage.title() or mypage.getVersionHistory().
Now, to upload images there is a neat Pywikibot module called pywikibot.upload. So all you have to do is have a file available online, or on your hard disk, decide what the image page text is going to be, then upload it with a good filename. However, the hard bit is doing some good checks first such as:
Is the file name free (page.exists())?
Can you handle unicode and multi-language image pages (French, Japanese ...)?
Does the file exist on Commons (check the SHA1)?
Is your choice of categories good? (This is hard, diffusion categories, matching keywords to existing categories, category re-directs, avoiding adding parent and children categories to an image...)
Have you really checked copyright and are you using the best copyright template?
So, I can recommend Python and Pywikibot, but unless you already are proficient in this stuff, expect it to take six months or a year before scraping websites for source data, pulling on external APIs (like Flickr or the Rijksmuseum), creating good image pages, auto-categorization and robust image uploads is something you can create your own smart scripts for.
This is just my history. There is nothing wrong with using someone else's tool. I can recommend Special:GWToolset for large projects instead of worrying about all this, however even that means creating an input XML file, which in turn means investing some programming time (or fancy spread-sheet time) for a large upload. That leaves the problem of how to do good categorization which is a constant nagging problem for batch uploaders, no matter how experienced they are, and all of this does not touch running bots on WMF labs or pulling reports from the SQL database that secretly underpins this project...
Lastly, uploading hundreds of thousands of images is a long term burden. Some people will grow increasingly angry about the imperfect job you do on categorization, or because you use a style of image page/template they don't like, or because they think that very large batch uploads are spam destroying our lovely project, blah, blah... The Community has an infinite capacity for bad faith, uploading a million images is going to attract trolls and people who plainly are more mentally obsessed than even we are, and may end up getting you blocked, or unfortunately even threatened by a solicitor for damages when mistakenly uploading images where you failed to notice a copyright problem. Seek your reward in heaven when working as an unpaid volunteer for open knowledge, rather than expecting any in this realm. --Fæ (talk) 15:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. You didn't ping me, so I can read you answer now only, when I remebered to jump back. The first part is a bit too complicated for me, but for the last part I definitely agree. I had same frustrating interactions with some user, but fortunately they getting much less in the most recent years. Thank you and good job! --Sailko (talk) 14:17, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Categories
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LOL, just left you a note about it asking for your help. I'll think about it unless you want to have a go. Too busy today on other stuff though. --Fæ (talk) 17:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Moving to the English Wikipedia
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Hi Fae, I remember to have read you on the topic of transferring (back) files to the English Wikipedia when the file is not acceptable here but could be regarded as fair use in Commons (in fact I'm referring to File:Study after Velazquez's Portrait of Pope Innocent X.jpg). Do we have any automatic way to transfer the file from Commons to the English Wikipedia? If not, can you suggest a way of manually doing that and keeping appropriate authorship information? Best regards and many thanks into advance --Discastotalk | contr. | es.wiki analysis10:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Forget the previous message. I've just noticed the file is already in the English Wikipedia and with lower quality (I assume such lower quality is needed for meeting the fair use conditions). Therefore, there's no point in transferring the file to the English Wikipedia (I'm still interested in knowing whether there is an automatic tool for transferring from Commons to the English Wikipedia). Best regards --Discastotalk | contr. | es.wiki analysis10:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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Hi. The license statement can be found at its flickr page and i added it in its permission field which was cited as permission in other flickr related files before reviewer writes "This image, originally posted to Flickr, was reviewed on (date) by the administrator or reviewer (that user), who confirmed that it was available on Flickr under the stated license on that date". Please remove the deletion tag now.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Namma Pillar (talk • contribs)
The image was automatically flagged on User:Faebot/Flickrstreams of concern, showing that the Flickr account was created only a few minutes before it was uploaded to Commons. The Flickr account ("subhash rajali") still only has this single image and has no claims that might be verifiable on its profile page. In this context a release statement that can be verified as from the copyright holder would be needed, the instructions in the notice on the image page should be followed. --Fæ (talk) 10:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
First, thanks for replying. I am a new user here and i don't know much about these things. From the notice, i could understand the following.
I should sent a mail to subhash rajali asking for consent.
Then the deletion tag will be removed and an OTRS ticket (yellow colour) will be placed in permission field.
I have these doubts. Please clarify.
Is there any template to request consent? And, in that consent template, what should i ask the flickr user to mention here : "the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of". The flickr link or file name with which i uploaded here?
I will get permission through OTRS ticket i believe, as i saw many files having such ticket at permission field. What is OTRS? What should i do after that flickr user sends the mail to the given email address? "Explain in your own words please".
By the time the ticket is generated, if my file gets deleted, what should i do? How can i know that the ticket has been generated? How should i mention to file reviewers that i have the ticket after the file is deleted?
Kindly clarify these so that i will request that user for a consent letter. This file is my first upload and i dont want it to be deleted. I hope it will not be deleted if i follow that process. Will it be? Also forgive me if i made any mistakes here. THANK YOU. Namma Pillar (talk)
First 3 questions:
1. Yes, the release needs to come from the copyright holder (the photographer).
2. Yes.
3. Yes, so long as the details can be verified.
Second set of questions:
1. Commons:Email_templates/Consent is the consent template. I suggest linking to the original on Flickr, but it could be either as they are digitally identical.
2. OTRS is the name of the email database, it means On-line Ticket Retrieval System. If the Flickr user sends an email to OTRS, there is nothing else you need do as the uploader.
3. If the file gets deleted during this process, it can be undeleted once the OTRS ticket has validated the details. You can also add {{subst:OP}} to the page to show that an email has been sent, this may avoid having the file deleted for 30 days. If you think the email has been lost, or has been waiting too long (tickets may take a month), you can ask about the email at COM:OTRS/N, the name of the file would be enough for any email about it to be found on the database.
Thanks for clarifying. I've sent him an email with the consent template. Namma Pillar (talk)
Rajali sent me a mail that he has sent the consent to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org filling the template. So i am adding {{subst:OP}} to the page and am removing the deletion tag. If i am wrong, correct the errors committed by me in the process if any. Namma Pillar (talk)
You know about what!
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Yes, I rather enjoyed it. I normally think of the files/images themselves as literally neutral until we put them to use. For example uploading photographs of the Queen does not stop me from being a republican... --Fæ (talk) 18:17, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
No worries. I occasionally upload videos from YouTube too. If you spot any on a free licence that might get through FPC drop me a message and I'll look at transcoding it for Commons. --Fæ (talk) 18:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Your account will be renamed
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Hello,
The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.
Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Fæ. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Fæ~commonswiki that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.
Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.
Very interesting message: a user with more than two million edits will be renamed. ☺ Does the message delivery follow redirects? It seems that the local account User:Fae isn't attached to SUL and that the "winning" Fae is the one on English Wikipedia. You might wish to attach the other "Fae" accounts to SUL if they belong to you. --Stefan4 (talk) 21:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes, Fae is my account there too. I'm ignoring this for the moment, there seems no reason to panic. Fæ (talk) 21:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
If you don't log in as "Fae" and go to Special:MergeAccount, the "Fae" account will be renamed. It seems that the notification was meant for that account but that the script followed the redirect and notified you instead. --Stefan4 (talk) 23:06, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I have long lost the password for Fae and though email was set up, I have no idea where it goes (I suspect it is a long dead email account too). I would guess that the rename will result in one of my other non-SUL accounts taking over the name here. As all the accounts globally are my doppelgängers and apart from on the English Wikipedia have made zero edits, I would hope commonsense will be used and the account will be ignored or I'll be asked what I want to do. Seems silly doesn't it? --Fæ (talk) 00:13, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
From what I can tell, the one on English Wikipedia will remain where it is, and all other ones will be renamed elsewhere, unless you manage to access some of the accounts before they are renamed. As the English Wikipedia one is attached to SUL, no one can impersonate you by creating new "Fae" user names elsewhere. --Stefan4 (talk) 00:31, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Fæ, you apparently have access to full res images from dvidshub.net (and know which license templates to use). May I request a few files to be transferred to commons, if eligible? The images in question are [4], [5], [6] (a video), [7], [8], [9], [10], [11] and [12]. Thank you. --Headlocker (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Done
DVIDS images loaded: 553839,553842,896899,1513225,1513220,1513216,1245484,1245487. You can find them on Commons by searching for the DVIDS number or the title from DVIDS. If a DoD VIRIN is available, this is used in the filename in preference to the DVIDS photo number, but the DVIDS url is still in the text. Example search.
I can use upload scripts that can load a list of images using their DVIDS numbers like the above, or if you use the DVIDS search and give me a suitable text search, I can upload all images that match (so long as they have obvious categories).
It appears correct and matches the Wellcome Library catalogue entry. What is obviously wrong with it? --Fæ (talk) 15:35, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Never been there myself, but the Rigi massif is near Zurich, not Geneva, and the piece isn’t nearly old enough for a currently urban site to look so much like wilderness. My guess is that the inscription immediately under the picture on the left, from which the first part of the filename & description were evidently taken, is the address of an art studio or printing firm; the title proper is the large type in the bottom centre, "The cold baths / on the Rigi“—apparently a spa overlooking one of the lakes that surround the Rigi mountains.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 01:42, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
The CFUUB is not running yet. If this was deleted before anyone had a chance to copy the file manually, an administrator will need to undelete the file for this to happen. If someone tells me in time, I can use the file to test the bot on. --Fæ (talk) 09:39, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
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Whatever this photo is, it has nothing to do with U. S. Citizens. The man behind the desk is a foreign general, possibly Iraqi. The writing on his desk and on the wall is in Arabic Maile66 (talk) 14:12, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, the men in BDUs are both clearly members of the US Army. The categorization as "Ft. Bliss" seems a bit off, tho... Revent (talk) 10:47, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Notification about possible deletion
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I see you adding many photos in Texas, and many on places like Fort Bliss. Just a heads up. I'm trying to make images easier to find. I'm working my way through the state of Texas on Commons, trying to break up the big glut of images into smaller categories. I've done that on Fort Bliss, categories and subcategories. 2015 Army Trials athletic competitions is its own category. And it's linked to the categories of Fort Bliss Athletics and Fort Hood Athletics (more base athletic categories as I do the bases). Also I've thoroughly gone through Big Bend National Park and Guadalupe Mountains National Park. So, if you're adding any photos to those, there are now many categories therein so people don't have to sort through a thousand images to find something. Maile66 (talk) 21:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
As you have the sub-cats available, I'm doing a specific run today on "Fort Bliss". This should pull all possible matching photos from DVIDS. As it would be near impossible to automatically filter into sub-cats (e.g. 'buildings' or 'dignitaries' would be too wide a net to cast) doing these as a quick batch makes more sense as we can then use cat-a-lot to sort them out by eye. These runs are pretty quick, I would have thought this will complete today. Keep an eye open for identical duplicates, these are possible as DVIDS tends to change the EXIF data which makes the API think the images are different, however these should not happen if the DVIDS photo number or VIRIN is available on both images. --Fæ (talk) 11:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Good. Hopefully, you will do the sorting out after you have uploaded them at Fort Bliss. You know...I don't want to have to go back and re-do the sorting on a ton of images. It was a big job. The reason I mentioned this to you, is because after I sorted out all the images of 2015 Army Trials athletic competitions , you uploaded more of the same, some duplicates, into Fort Bliss. And I had to re-do it then. As nearly as I can tell, if you use cat-a-lot on a duplicate image into a category, it just absorbs it and only one copy of the image remains. Maile66 (talk) 12:09, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Upload errors 9 April
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I think the cause of this batch of corrupted images, might have been a video badly transcoding before upload and gobbling all my resources in the process (they can take many hours to transcode and sometimes mp4→ogv seems to go bonkers). Alternatively it might have been a WMF server issue, but I have no other evidence for that as a suspect. --Fæ (talk) 08:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
True, I was just copying the detailed crop description being edit-warred over. I suspect that both are wrong. I'll amend based on your tip, thanks. --Fæ (talk) 17:25, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
DVIIDS pics unsuccessfully uploaded
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If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category.
In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!
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Hello Fæ. I have just noticed that you have an experience with uploading IWM's collections. I'd be grateful if you could clarify whether the files such as this authored by an unnamed German photographer from the German WW1 Official Exchange Collection can be uploaded to Commons. The IWM states that "This item is available to share and reuse under the terms of the IWM Non Commercial Licence." Best regards, --Kober (talk) 12:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
@Kober: You can find a background to my uploads at User:Fæ/email/IWM. IWM's NC licence does not override existing copyright (there is a caveat in it to that effect). Where the IWM has archives of seized WWI photographs, these were considered public domain in the UK (or rather, Crown property) due to national laws on seized war property, however this does not apply if being used in Germany or the USA (both are relevant for Commons hosting a German photograph). There have been cases where uploads of originally German artworks from WWI sourced from the IWM, have been deleted from Commons due to the estates of the original artists having a potential claim (albeit highly unlikely).
However, as in this case the photographer appears unknown (unnamed), then the standard European 70 year rule applies and these can be considered Public Domain as copyright has expired. This might be challenged, however I would say let it be challenged after upload and see if anyone can shine more light on the original photographer, or if there is any possible expectation that German records could be researched to discover the information.
By the way, if you have not uploaded IWM images before, please adopt the templates you can see in use on other images, it can save some hassle. Take a look at User:Fæ/IWM. --Fæ (talk) 15:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Fæ. You mentioned a bot for flickr washing detection. I happened upon File:William Monahan Franco Nero.jpg when processing a completely unrelated OTRS ticket. The EXIF data says "@PIETRO COCCIA GRANATA IMAGES". The image description (which is now gone from flickr, but presumably is where our description was copied from) says "photo taken by Italian photographer Pietro Coccia". (Pietro Coccia is an Italian celebrity photographer.) Regrettably, the Flickr user's name is not Pietro Coccia. From looking at the Flickr user's photostream - https://www.flickr.com/photos/filmfestivals/ - they are from such a diversity of sources (including lots of TV screenshots) and all sorts of stuff obviously not created by this person. From googling, a small handful of his images have been brought here. Is there a procedure to go through to add this flickr account to the ones the bots will block from being uploaded? --UserB (talk) 01:11, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
@B: Any suspect stream can be added to the 'blacklist' at Commons:Questionable Flickr images. This is a useful response, however slightly bizarrely only administrators appear to be able to add to the list, so I, my bots and you, are unable to do this for ourselves. --Fæ (talk) 03:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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There are many current proposals as part of the 2015 Inspire Campaign related to harassment management. I’ve created a page, Meta:Grants:IdeaLab/Community discussion on harassment reporting meant to serve as a central space where the various stakeholders in these proposals and other community members can discuss which methods might serve our community best so that we can unify our ideas into collective action. I encourage you to join the conversation and contribute your ideas!OR drohowa (talk) 02:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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Consent has been sent today to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. If there is anything that is needed, please feel free to contact me before any further action is taken. I am not aware of needing anything else. Thank you Georgivac (talk) 18:52, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
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Consent has been sent today to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. If there is anything that is needed, please feel free to contact me before any further action is taken. I am not aware of needing anything else. Thank you Georgivac (talk) 21:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
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Consent has been sent today to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. If there is anything that is needed, please feel free to contact me before any further action is taken. I am not aware of needing anything else. Thank you Georgivac (talk) 21:23, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
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Consent has been sent today to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org. If there is anything that is needed, please feel free to contact me before any further action is taken. I am not aware of needing anything else. Thank you Georgivac (talk) 21:23, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Server drop-outs
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These (fairly rare) server drop-outs are a pain. I have a simple way of regenerating DoD images, but will have to create something to do this more easily for IWM images. It may take a few days for me to find a chunk of time to think about it (I normally dip in and out for uploads, actual analysis takes more effort). --Fæ (talk) 14:36, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
Bug in GLAM dashboard reports
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Thanks for highlighting the bug. I'll probably take a look later this coming week, though I have a couple of urgent real life things to deal with that may distract me from open knowledge. --Fæ (talk) 14:32, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
DVIDS
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Thank you for uploading all the DVIDS stuff. Good job! That said, I'm just wondering whether the DOD is now contracting civilians to write the captions for the images. Even I know that an M109 is not a friggin' tank... De728631 (talk) 21:58, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
The descriptions are full of errors. I would say that the DoD is 95% good as a source, but it essentially seems to work on the basis of trusting military amateur photographers to do a reasonable job. As we have seen countless times, even the most respectable archives are never 100%, neither do they claim to be. --Fæ (talk) 08:05, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Upload errors files 2015-04-27
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Comment Thank you very much for the quick repairing of the misuploaded files, even if the errors were the fault of WMF servers drop-outs. Your work is, in my opinion, one of the most important in Commons, and for that you have mine thanks. Tm (talk) 16:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
Faebot
Latest comment: 9 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion
Hi. I've veen adding categories to some pics, and I found that Faebot added categories but files still remains with {{Uncategorized}} included. Is there any way to remove this template? See for example: [13]. Thanks. --Ganímedes (talk) 14:05, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I believe the template removes itself as soon as you add categories. If there is an example where this failed, give me a link and I'll take a look. --Fæ (talk) 15:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
I can give you several, there is a long list of media with this problem. See for example:
Hi. Could you check this? There are thousands of pictures whit cats and not-cat advices. Nor maybe you can tell me someone else to talk about this? Thanks. --Ganímedes (talk) 10:01, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
What I can do is have a housekeeping run through of specific projects, like Geograph, and check for those with 2 or more visible categories with the nocat template and pull it out. <off topic trim>
@Ganímedes: I have started Faebot looking at Geograph images for the template {{Uncategorized-Geograph}} and where there are 2 or more visible categories which are do not match any of 'Geograph|Photos by|Images by|Files by|Photographs by|Taken with'. If this is met, then the uncat template gets removed.
Faebot's previous work to add Counties/Unitary Authorities has resulted in many Geograph photos having single meaningful categories such as Shropshire, Hampshire, Aberdeenshire, Lancashire (plucking these from a terminal window), but I hope you agree that if this is the only category, then a human review probably is still needed. Unfortunately this is likely to be a very small fraction of the Geograph images; in fact Faebot has just looked at the first 1,100 images and found no matches yet, it could be because it is doing these in date order, or that prior housekeeping was okay...
Does not look recoverable as broken at source. I have put this one up for speedy deletion. Thanks for pointing it out. --Fæ (talk) 15:47, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
I am short of time to consider alternatives, so for the moment I'm dropping Okinawa as a potential search word from my uploads. This does mean that images with no other match will not be uploaded. --Fæ (talk) 17:39, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
A large number of the PDI collection were reversed at source, presumably a glitch during original image processing when released (all the EXIF data had been changed, so we can presume that all files were adapted before public release). A couple were flipped on Commons where relevant, feel free to overwrite with a corrected image. --Fæ (talk) 15:34, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Note that I have not touched these images since the time my project co-volunteer Russavia was irrevocably office-banned without any public rationale being given. Not that anyone noticed, or apparently gave a toss whether I left the project or not. --Fæ (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me. It seems like something strange happened with this project - I am sorry to hear that. Regardless of that I think it important is to discover and appropriately tag watermarked images (especially of third party internetsites) here, since I dislike the idea that Wikipedia is (ab)used for commercial gain. So I have a question:
1) In addition to airliners.net, Category:Airliners.net photos (check needed) has a sub-category for jetphotos.net (called Category:Images from jetphotos.net with watermarks) that needs to be checked. However, I see no category for images that have been verified to contain jetphotos.net watermarks. Would it be OK to create such a category, and then move the jetphotos.net candidates that are indeed watermarked?
2) While it can be easy to be sure that an image does have a watermark, some are really faint so it can be difficult to state confidently that an image has no watermark. I would go so far as to say that it is in fact impossible to determine that an image has no watermark, since an increasingly faint watermark would at some point quality as a steganographic message. However, if a watermark is exceedingly faint it has little impact, so if an editor subjectively assesses that an image has no watermark, is that then sufficient to move it from the 'needs-checking-watermark-category' to a 'non-watermarked' category?
1. A checked + watermarked category is unnecessary as {{watermark}} adds its own category and one can intersect that with the main project category to generate a list or perform any automated actions. If you think it is easier you can make the category, but in most circumstances we can work without it.
2. The watermarks we were concerned about were quite visible, the easiest being the credit bars which have been removed, and the hardest being the large embossed kind. A subjective test of that is sufficient and likely to be the best achievable.
Thanks for the clarification. If I understand things correctly the watermark-template adds to the media file the hidden category 'Images with watermarks'. Following your suggestion, I hope you have time for one more question:
How would I best intersect a category like Category:Images from jetphotos.net with watermarks (that contains watermarked images in need of the watermark-template) with not-in-hidden-category 'Images with watermarks', in such a manner that I with relative ease can manually browse through the resulting set of images (and not just their thumbnails) and mark them (either for a move to a verified as clean category or for insertion of the watermark template)?
playing with VisualFileChange as you can see all images in the category and get VFC to automatically select those using the watermarks template. If you have not tried VFC before, it is worth persisting with as it is a highly flexible solution for all sorts of category and mass image page fixing problems
to create a pure list of links, or a wiki table you can cut & paste into a sandbox (or a file of results which you can feed into others tools or bots), I would use Catscan; here's a report that does precisely this and shows 29 images that are relevant.
Right. I do have experience with both VFC and Catscan, and I had to massage Catscan's Wiki output a bit before dropping it into a page in my user space - since I needed a 1000 pixel "thumbnail" to robustly determine whether an image was or was not watermarked.
With that I was able to review all the jetphotos.not images for watermarks, leaving only 51 images in that category without the watermark template. Perhaps you would like to check, but I think those 51 images can be removed from any watermark category. A good amount of the images with the watermark template have a credit bar which can be robustly cropped, so I moved those photos into their own (new) credit bar category, for cropping later.
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
This is for the high quality images from DVIDS. It is nice to see aspects of military life that perhaps we wouldn't normally. Green Giant (talk)01:32, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
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This image did not upload totally. I suspect that this was a WMF servers hicup, as some of my uploads had the same problem. Tm (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Categorization request
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Hi Fæ. You did this wonderful job with categorizing images. I have an other Category:Amada44 temp cat full of images. This time there are only botanical names. Would you be able to run your bot over it and move the images out of the temp cat into the 'First-word Second-word' cat? That would be great! Amada44talk to me20:50, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Are these images yours?
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This seems to be the first time this has been noted as going wrong. I suspect it may be a character encode/decode problem. Busy with RL stuff, so it may take some time for me to look at this properly. --Fæ (talk) 11:09, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Fæ, as you are good with numbers. Do you have any idea how to (not manually) count the total number of files in the following categories and their sub-categories?
One way of doing this is using SQL on the wiki database, it's *fairly* simple to create a report of the totals. Unfortunately the WMF has been monkeying about with the labs environment so my login keys are not working and I have to work it out again from scratch. I'll not be doing that tonight and probably not tomorrow. You might try Steinsplitter, though they are probably not all that available. --Fæ (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I can’t test it at the moment, @Túrelio, what with Labs being down, but this sounds like something CatScan could help with: if it doesn’t display a count (which is what I wanted to check) it should at least be able to produce a list that could be enumerated with a text-line-counter.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 23:47, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Catscan reports include a total. To automate multiple queries, you can pull the results as JSON and the page count is in the summary fields. However, as you mention, none of this appears to be working right now. --Fæ (talk) 04:02, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
Done Just add the main cat and child cat totals to get an overall total. These are live numbers pulled from the SQL database, I think that using Catscan2 would be a better repeatable solution if sub-sub cats are wanted.
P.S. Just because these are images that appear under FoP categories, does not mean that any change in EU copyright would be limited to these files. Many images marked as public domain or similar may be affected, and these are probably a magnitude higher than the above numbers. --Fæ (talk) 06:10, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
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A belated thanks for all the HABS image that you have been uploading. It is an enormous service that you've incorporated much of the HABS text in the descriptions. It makes it easy to create or add more specific categories. I salute you. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 15:54, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Categorization Request
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Hi Fae. Any chance that you get around doing this? Otherwise, would it be possible, that you could send me the script so I can have a go at it? Amada44talk to me09:45, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm happy to tweak and rerun my script, real-life has seriously intervened lately. Out at a museum today and committed to a probate related issue tomorrow, so I may be able to look at it this weekend. My script is unlikely to be easily usable, it probably relies on an old customized version of pywikibot and has a pile of dead code that I would not want to pass on. --Fæ (talk) 10:07, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
@Amada44: Now slowly running. I have commitments today, so if this falls over I may have to kick it again tomorrow. Note that this was made tricky because the Amanda44 temp category had a hidden 'left to right' escape character between the end of the category name and "]]". Unless you were swapping between non-English editors, I'm unsure what would cause that. --Fæ (talk) 05:58, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
P.S. script below, relies on pywikibot compat and it's not pretty!
Two Words script
#!/usr/bin/python
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
'''
Amada44 request, 2 words categories
'''
import re, wikipedia, pagegenerators, catlib
from colorama import Fore, Back, Style
from colorama import init
init()
site = wikipedia.getSite('commons','commons')
#catname = "Category:Uploaded_by_Amada44_(unsorted)"
catname = "Category:Amada44 temp cat"
catpage = catlib.Category(site, catname)
gen = pagegenerators.CategorizedPageGenerator(catpage)
catexists = set()
catnoexists = set()
ecount = 0
ncount = 0
# 2 terms "^[-\w]+ [-\w]+ ", 3 terms "^[-\w]+ [-\w]+ [-\w]+ "
for i in gen:
if ecount == 1: ncount = 1 # Reset counters, so only counting when relevant in index
title= i.title()[5:]
if not re.search(r"^[-\w]+ [-\w]+ ", title):
print Fore.CYAN, ecount+ncount, ncount, Fore.YELLOW, "Two words not found in", title, Fore.WHITE
ncount +=1
continue
twowords = re.findall(r"^[-\w]+ [-\w]+ ", title)[0][:-1]
if twowords in catnoexists: continue
if twowords in catexists or wikipedia.Page(site, 'Category:'+twowords).exists():
catexists.add(twowords)
print Fore.CYAN, ecount+ncount, ecount, "{:.0%}".format(float(ecount)/float(ecount+ncount)) + Fore.GREEN, twowords, Fore.WHITE
html = i.get()
if not re.search("\[\[" + catname + "[^\]]?\]\]", html):
print Fore.RED, "Problem here!", Fore.WHITE
print html
print i.title()
sys.exit()
ecount += 1
if re.search("Category:"+twowords, html):
html = re.sub("\[\["+catname+ "[^\]]?\]\]\n?", "", html)
else:
html = re.sub(catname + "[^\]]?", "Category:" + twowords, html)
wikipedia.setAction("Remove unsorted, add [[Category:"+twowords+"]]")
i.put(html)
else:
ncount += 1
print Fore.RED, twowords, Fore.WHITE
catnoexists.add(twowords)
Thank you soooo much! yeaaa, not many left. Thanks for the script too! I'll have a look at it. Thanks, again! (ohh, and sorry about the hidden left to right. strange,.... don't know how it got there....) Amada44talk to me11:04, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
SCOTUS ruling on marriage equality
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If you happen to upload/transfer images related to SCOTUS' ruling on marriage equality, please add them to this page. It would be really great to have a gallery illustrating reactions (positive or negative) to the ruling throughout the U.S. Thanks! -Another Believer (talk) 18:39, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks so much for adding images. I see you are adding all sorts of images. If any of them can be grouped together by date/location, feel fee to make a gallery of them or point me in the right direction. I am trying to curate galleries for Wiki Loves Pride (2015-related content) and the June 26 ruling (especially of rainbow-lit landmarks) at ENWP, so the more the merrier! --Another Believer (talk) 17:25, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
I find categories a lot easier as they maintain themselves. You may consider if we can create a categories that do the same job, and distinguish between LGBT rights protests, individual same-sex marriage celebrations and "state level" or official celebration of LGBT equality. There is already a large number of categories around LGBT Pride and LGBT History that these fit under. --Fæ (talk) 17:31, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Agreed re: categories here at Commons. I am referring to the curated galleries at ENWP. They are really just intended to illustrate Wiki Loves Pride participation and to inspire people to upload images in their area. For example, I found a group of images you uploaded from Dublin, so I created. Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride 2015/Dublin. I was really just wondering if you uploaded other clusters of images from 2015 LGBT events. --Another Believer (talk) 17:38, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
I tend to put them in categories and will think about your gallery suggestions. I've uploaded a couple of thousand LGBT pride photos in the past, a few hundred were my own photos. I was at the London Pride event on Saturday, so have a handful of decent new ones of my own to upload. I'll experiment a bit more with date based Flickr searches, but this may be tomorrow (I have customized an upload script today and used it to upload the photos you've noticed. The script filters for higher resolution images, license type and photo taken date as well as preserving Flickr tags, sets and pools where they exist). --Fæ (talk) 17:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Sounds great! And no worries if you have other things to work on. I just think the curated galleries are interesting and illustrate WLP participation and events around the world. The June 26 project is sort of separate -- I was collecting images related to the ruling, not only because the illuminated landmarks are fun but because there is no Commons category to group these images otherwise. I'll see if I can't do some searching on Flickr for other pride events and rainbow-lit buildings. --Another Believer (talk) 17:50, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Upload errors files, Camp Gonsalves
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Thank you for finding these. Unfortunately as defenseimagery.mil has switched off their public search interface, and these images do not appear on the DVIDS website at the current time, all we can do is park these in a "upload failures" category or template, and hope the images can eventually be recovered. I am unable to automatically recover these by any of my current processes or scripts. --Fæ (talk) 14:10, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Take a look at the (pretty much final) programme if you haven’t seen it yet. With 18 plenary speakers - three from overseas - as well as the large unconference section, there’s a lot going on, and the Royal Society of Chemistry is sponsoring a wine reception in the evening.
We are also in the full swing of publicity. Emails have been, and are, going out to funders, scholarly societies, and university departments, but any additional promotion is appreciated. Please share a link, or tell colleagues in relevant fora. All publicity material for the conference is, of course, freely licenced for you to adapt.
After the conference there will be two hackathons: one Cambridge on the Friday, the other hosted by Wikimedia UK in London on the Saturday. These are being led by Daniel Mietchen and Stefan Kasberger. Follow the link for more details.
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This file is Upload error file. --木の枝(talk) 2015.7.10 0:41 (JST)
Thanks for pointing it out. Unfortunately it is broken at the source. I have marked it for speedy deletion. I have a "reuploader" script for DVIDS files, if you can supply the DVIDS number (this one was 935868), then it is much easier for me to reupload several files at once. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 15:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Fæ, I uploaded a jpg edited version of a file uploaded by you. I have two questions, first : is my CC-BY-SA-4.0 license correct or must I remove it? two : what is the date of the photo, ca. 1970? -- ChristianFerrer11:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Transcoding an image does not add any new creative work, so {{PD-USGov-NPS}} still applies. If you, say, did some complex digital restoration, then a claim of attribution would be suitable and enforceable, if you wanted it. In this case, it probably is best to not add an attribution constraint as it has no legal basis for enforcement (i.e. a claim of damages under moral rights if a reuser fails to respect them).
By the way, I have in the past run projects where I created jpegs for large tiffs and uploaded both formats. However Commons' thumbnail creation has improved since then and there is no need to do this if the objective is to use images on Wikipedia. If the rationale is that the tif will not display in the zoomviewer, then that's understandable, though keep in mind that this may well be fixed at some point (maybe years hence) and we will need to find a way to merge these back, rather than having lots of duplicates.
Dates, we actually do not know the date of the photographs. This was one of 12 photos, as you can find on the parent HAER record online. See http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ct/ct0300/ct0350/data/ct0350cap.pdf for a listing of photos and http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ct/ct0300/ct0350/data/ct0350data.pdf for the full HAER report. The documents were written up after 1968, and there is a reference to a 1978 letter, however this does not mean that this photograph was not taken earlier than these dates, but we can deduce that the latest possible date was 1978 (a terminus ante quem). You may be able to improve on these dates if you research the photographer and the HAER numbering system, on the presumption they were sequential. --Fæ (talk) 11:38, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I removed my license, yes it is an attempt of digital restoration, I guess (hope) a bit successful, in the purpose of a future potential nomination at FPC. And if it is successful at fpc, I will try some other digital restorations on some of your files and others too. Thanks. -- ChristianFerrer11:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Ah, no worries. In which case it probably is worth searching around to see if a photographer was named (I can't find them, but I do see the environmental analyst named in the report). For FPC purposes you may consider cropping from the left a little more, so that where the beams reach the edge of the photograph are perfectly symmetrical. Good luck with it, I'm sure out of the 290,000 photographs in this batch upload that there are plenty of potential FPC quality images. --Fæ (talk) 11:48, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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Hi!
You just uploaded some images from Tallinn, Estonia. There is no FOP for Estonia, have you checked the age of all the buildings? /Hangsna (talk) 19:29, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, these are part of a Village Pump request. I suggest letting the upload run for a while and then looking at the intersection of Category:Photographs by Christopher Michel and Tallinn. The alternative to housekeeping would be to exclude all photographs from that stream where the word Tallinn occurs, which would probably be more excessive. --Fæ (talk) 21:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
@Hangsna: I think all the relevant files have been uploaded now. If you check this search, you can see that there are 80 photographs which mention Tallinn. This does not guarantee they were actually taken in Tallinn, as the Flickrtags have been used crudely (many files are titled "Helsinki", so I presume they were taken there). I only visited Tallinn once, many years ago. If you know the area, could you have a browse through the search and raise any that are doubtful under a deletion request? Thanks --Fæ (talk) 13:35, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
I dont know the area, like you i only visited once. :) However, since some are tagged "Helsinki, Finland" and some "Tallinn, Estonia" i think that we can safely assume that the images were taken were they seem to have been taken. I would suggest that all images that show up in that search and that is mainly shots of buildings should be deleted. /Hangsna (talk) 14:03, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Also the categories for that batch need to be checked. All images (looks to me) having double categories is not correct. The should have categories for either Tallinn or Helsinki, regardless of that the photographer made a trip to both. /Hangsna (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Category sorting is going to remain an issue with these. Some of it can be done by cat-a-lot, others by VFC or similar. As this was a VP request, I'm hoping that others will join in with this housekeeping.
Bot uploads from Sustainable Sanitation Alliance Flickr feed
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About a hundred of these failed the bot license review, they are under CC-BY-NC-SA on Flickr. (They are in Category:Recent unfree Flickr images). Do you know if this was, possibly, an error in the tagging on Flickr (that could be corrected) or should we go ahead and delete these? Revent (talk) 07:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
I have investigated, and changed the code. Unlike my other Flickr uploads, this was a custom run with code dating from over a year ago.
Inside the source of the image files, the license on Flickr has been pulled in, but there was no consequential check. For example on File:Gto EmerSan-Berlin 150529 -006 (18598504722).jpg the image page has the hidden comment <!-- Flickr license at time of upload: Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike License -->.
I have now adapted this to do a positive check, rather than presume that CC-BY-SA applied (as it appears to have done in the previous two upload runs on the SuSanA stream). Licenses that are not of the (currently 5) right free types will be noticed and the images skipped from upload. See https://github.com/faebug/batchuploads/blob/master/flickr_sanitation.py code line 411.
@Revent: please go ahead with deletion and I'll re-start my run from the beginning, though this will not affect files already uploaded. --Fæ (talk) 08:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough, I had wondered (as I mentioned above) if it was a mistake on that end, when uploading to Flickr. Revent (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Categorization Request 3
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Hi Fæ
I would have one last request if you have time doing it. In the cat Category:Amada44 Species there are currently 2300 images of plants and organisms with botanical names without fitting category. I checked through all of them and removed any not having a botanical name. What would be great if you could modify the script ( I had a look at it to see if I could do it myself but my programming skills are far to low for understanding your script :-( ) to add a cat: [[Category:Firstname lastname]] to all the images and then go to all the created cats and add [[Category:Firstname]] to all the newly created [[Category:Firstname lastname]] cats. Would this be doable? Would you have time? Amada44talk to me16:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
It can be done, for example Noaabot creates categories as it goes along. I'll aim to have a look at it in the next few days. --Fæ (talk) 09:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
@Amada44: Categorization creation started. With some urgency can you work on formatting and adding descriptions to the newly created categories appearing in Category:Undescribed species? By creating these categories without being any sort of expert in biological taxonomies myself, I feel I'm likely to become a target of complaints about creating mad rogue bots.
Parent species will not be created where these are under 4 letters long (e.g. "AH" for "AH Alcospira") and the images will remain untouched by my script. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 13:38, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
You are a . Yes, I will check them. I'm watching your talk-page so in case a botanist chooses you as a target I will take the hit! Thank you soon much! cheers, Amada44talk to me18:15, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Can you please take greater care in categorising images?
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Hi, I'm working through some of the images you've recently uploaded of Exercise Talisman Sabre 2015 (an Australia-US-NZ-Japan military exercise), and it's a bit of a frustrating experience. File:Talisman Sabre 15 150707-A-WX507-751.jpg was uploaded with the category "Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson" (a US military base in Alaska), but the details for the photo show that it was actually taken in Australia? Similarly, File:U.S., Australia execute boat raid in support of amphibious assault 150711-M-PK203-105.jpg was categorised only as 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (a US Marines unit) when the subject of the photo is a Japanese soldier attached to the marines for this exercise. File:I Corps Soldiers experience Australian culture 150706-A-UG106-220.jpg is also categorised only as "Joint Base Lewis-McChord" (a US military base near Seattle) when it was actually taken at a Koala park in suburban Brisbane, Australia. These are just three examples. I imagine that you're using a bot to handle the uploads here, but I think that either its parameters need to be adjusted, or you should work through the images after they're uploaded to check that the categories are relevant. Categories like these don't accurately capture what the photo shows, and make them needlessly difficult to use (and run the risk of people accidentally misinterpreting them). Regards, 23:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi. The three examples you give are problematic. Two have been categorised based on the DVIDS location field, which are set by the uploading military officer and should be a reliable specific field to set categories by. I doubt I would have removed these categories based on a visual check, considering how prominent the location fields are, and there seems little to do unless the wrong locations represent a significant pattern of bad location data at DVIDs (in which case I could start ignoring it as unreliable, in fact I only started to include this in category tests a few months ago). The remaining one is debatable. Though the soldier was Japanese, he was attached to the Marine Expeditionary Unit, in this scenario I do not understand why the category is wrong as the photograph represents the work of the Marine Expeditionary Unit.
Please keep in mind these are a sample out of over 200,000 uploaded DoD images using the same processes developed over the last 2 years, so the categorization error rate based on feedback and my checks is now remarkably low compared to all other batch upload processes and manual upload processes. --Fæ (talk) 03:54, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply Fæ. I had selected those three examples for illustrative purposes only, and the problem here is wider spread. Other recent examples of incorrect categories include [27], File:I Corps Soldiers experience Australian culture 150706-A-UG106-017.jpg, [28], [29], [30], [31]. This appears to have also occurred last year as well [32]. Could you please double check these uploads? (the ones of I Corps personnel in Brisbane and the US troops parachuting into Australia in particular) There's also the issue of considerable under-categorisation - for instance, many of the photos you uploaded categorised only as 31st MEU actually depict mixed US and Australian units (leaving aside the issue of the photos which depict only Japanese personnel), several depicted the Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, and I don't think that any placed images in Category:Talisman Sabre 2015, which is one of the more useful categorisations here. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 05:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Keep in mind that if you want to populate one of the Operations categories, or indeed create one of the many missing ones, then thanks to the "bucket category" it is fairly easy to build a useful search like this one, then simply block add to a top level Operations category for further sorting, and visual checks, using cat-a-lot.
This does not directly resolve the category issues you highlight, however one of smarter things I can do for these uploads is add negative matches of the type "if this category is matched, then do not match this one", which was a particularly helpful improvement for frequent matches to both parent and child/grandchild categories, such as you might get with locations/addresses. I can also simply drop categories that give lots of false matches as not worth the hassle.
I'll continue to think about the examples you raise, it is worrying if the location field is unreliable, however my impression is that the error level is low at DVIDs for this. I'll think about whether I can test that impression in some way.
From your feedback here, I'll also try to be more cautious in selecting the initial set up of which photos will be chosen. --Fæ (talk) 05:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Two HABS/HAER requests
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The way the HABS project worked was to scrape the NPS archive, create a XML file with mappings to info template fields, then run this through the COM:GWT for the actual upload. This is complex enough to only be worth the volunteer time for a significant batch (thousands rather than tens).
What I can do is think about how to run an update, or select an album of images for checking or direct upload (i.e. without going via the GWT for speed reasons). I am wondering why these were skipped in the first place. It might be that there was something odd about the HABS id, or something is missing from the archive website data... not sure.
It may take me a long while to revisit this, so if the two images are more urgently needed, then it would be sensible for you to crack on with a manual upload and just use some of the other HABS uploads as an example to follow for layout. --Fæ (talk) 06:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
No problem then, I'll get them myself when I have a chance. I just thought having a bot do it would ensure better metadata consistency, but I'll take care on that. The two color photos from this survey also got skipped, to add another data point.
The mislabeled picture I mentioned last year (!) has been taken down, but there's no replacement up yet. I don't want to think about what kind of digitization backlog is involved. Thanks again for uploading all these; it's been a tremendous bonanza. Delaware is coming along pretty well, and I've been able to geotag most of the exterior shots (at least for extant buildings). Choess (talk) 04:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
When I looked at the last case, I did notice the file I was uploading as a replacement also exists on Commons under the wrong filename. I'm unsure what the cause was, possible lags in file uploads may have caused some sort of interative issue. If you find more cases, please list them here. My volunteer time is limited over the next couple of weeks, and I have a number of things put on my backlog already, so I would rather let some cases build up and then schodule time to investigate this properly, rather than fix odd cases. Thanks for raising this for attention. --Fæ (talk) 21:06, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Fae. I am very glad that you instructed your bot to post Costică Acsinte pics from Flickr Commons. Can you please add this {{PD-RO-photo}} to all the images too?
Cezar — Atelierele Albe (talk)
Done along with a slow housekeeping process to add the template retrospectively. Thanks for noticing the upload, perhaps you could post a note about it where Romanian article writers hang out? Hopefully these will be of use for research and encourage some new articles about Romanian history. --Fæ (talk) 15:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
DR Russian envelope with (c) painting
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@Hedwig in Washington: I'm flattered to be asked. No problem with this addition, though the principle makes me pause, as it appears a contradiction to the way we read the transferability of a free release for other types of image. In particular if we have a small resolution (or a poor print) image and it is confirmed as released on a CC-BY license, then we safely presume that all reproductions are covered by this license. However due to the oddness of Russian law, we are presuming that a Russian-PD image does not automatically mean that other reproductions of the identical 2D artwork are PD. In this regard I think we have it wrong, as it is not an implementable policy...
In practice we need several deletion requests to foster a healthy debate, and set a more solid precedent, possibly with a case book to follow. --Fæ (talk) 17:56, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
ISTM that there are already plenty of situations where reproductions can be free without affecting the copyright status of the originals. FoP for example: I can publish my own photo of a modern Canadian building as PD or CC-0, but the architect’s rights over the original plans, models, & renderings would remain intact, likewise his or her ability to copyright commissioned photography of the building or otherwise exploit the intellectual property. If someone were to produce replicas of a modern public sculpture based entirely on PD photography from multiple angles, I expect the sculptor would still be able to prevent their sale or claim royalties, just as if they’d been made from an unauthorized cast.
Regarding paintings (not under FoP in most places), I think a small engraving or lithographic print is sufficiently distinguishable from the original, even if intended to be as faithful a reproduction as possible within the constraints of the medium. When scanned for reproduction, the higher the resolution the more apparent the characteristic artefacts (viz lines or dots).—Odysseus1479 (talk) 19:47, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Well, I like to ask you for your opinion because you're always halpful, we sometimes hold different views, and you are pretty level-headed. Makes sense to ask someone who's not necessarily telling me what I'd like to hear. Enuf applesauce. Regarding transferability: Someone could get the idea to crop the (c) painting and upload it here as PD. Frankly, I don't think that's a problem since the copyright status of the original work is not changed to PD. It certainly sounds and feels a little odd. Regarding the casebook: Really good idea, I'll try to find some stuff. --Hedwig in Washington(mail?)02:00, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
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{{Autotranslate|1=File:Discoveries among the ruins of Nineveh and Babylon; with travels in Armenia, Kurdistan and the desert- being the result of a second expedition undertaken for the Trustees of the British museum (1859) (17544956763).jpg|base=Image source}} Leoboudv (talk) 01:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Fae I just now ran across this while doing Flickr review. Leoboudv was correct in noting that that file's source URL is not correct. If you follow the source URL you end up on a Flickr page that contains the first version of the page (the folded version of the page). The second version you uploaded (the unflolded version of the page) does not appear to be located at all on Flickr. If the source of the unfolded version of the page is from archive.org, you should provide that as the source. —RP88 (talk) 04:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
The notice is a threat to delete the image. It is obviously the same page unfolded. It is thus PD due to age and deletion would not be within our policies. We have plenty of scanned PD old images with no link to any online source needed. Should anyone follow the link given to view the book, Book Viewer, the uploaded unfolded version can be seen. For these reasons this templated warning is thoughtless bureaucracy. --Fæ (talk) 05:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Licence changed to pd-100. As mentioned the image can be seen by following the Book Viewer link already on the image page, the resolution can be changed there by zooming. --Fæ (talk) 05:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I somehow overlooked the zoom feature. I've update the source to be the Internet Archive instead of Flickr, changed the author to John Gardner Wilkinson (the creator of this illustration), moved the flickr URL to the other versions field, and updated the license to indicate why it is PD in the U.S. Thanks for your help and patience. —RP88 (talk) 05:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
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(I appreciate you don't want me posting here, but I hope you take this in good faith and I'm posting here rather than AN to minimise attention). If Haraldbischoff has a reputation for suing people, and for not taking "sorry, it won't happen again" as an acceptable answer, I don't think "this could boil down to misusing Commons for a money-making scam" is a wise thing to put in writing. You may wish to revise your language / delete as appropriate. -- Colin (talk) 12:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Images mis-identified
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@Keith D: I have only spent a couple of minutes looking at this, and am short on time to do much more. I have moved the files based on your observation, please feel free to make further corrections to the texts or categorization. Thanks for highlighting the source error. --Fæ (talk) 16:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the moves, I have made changes to categorisation & text. May be someone with more knowledge of area will be able to do more. Keith D (talk) 17:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
These again have suffered from the original source disappearing. Re-uploaded as below as these happen to be hosted on DVIDS, the above corrupted uploads should be handled as duplicates.
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I'm disappointed by [33]. As I explained multiple times, issues of MobileFrontend's uploader are just that; they are not issues of mobile users in general. A bad special-cased tool causes bad uploads. --Nemo20:15, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Not sure anything I wrote contradicts that, in particular the nature of users of all mobile platforms has been changing as the technology develops. Future choices for development should be based on credible statistics, preferably by pragmatic testing. --Fæ (talk) 20:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, could you please do me a favour and crop the photo Jenny Skavlan og Erik Solbakken.jpg image, so that Jenny Skavlans part can be used in an Wikipedia article. Much appreciated. I am working on Jenny Skavlans article.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
There is an easy to use CropTool available which you can switch on under Preferences/Gadgets. It's how I created this version in about 10 seconds. --Fæ (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Mass uploading
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Pleasse stop mass uploading into the Meteorology category: all uploads should be in a more pertinent subcategories.
{{Categorize}} was already on Meteorology category before you made your uploads. I can handle a few recategorizing maually, however mass uploading without regard for better subcategories, that have to be sometimes created, is quite a pain in the ... Pierre cb (talk) 05:14, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
I just realized that "categorised" was used rather than "categorized". I'll amend my uploads to start accounting for this alternate.
Unfortunately when uploading 10,000 or 100,000 files, there is always going to be a backlog of housekeeping and categorization can only ever be automated weakly; otherwise we would spend our volunteer time endlessly testing and hardly ever actually getting on with it. --Fæ (talk) 05:23, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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File:Astrological birth chart for Oliver Cromwell Wellcome L0040331.jpg metadata and metadata for other similar files is missing information that it come from: A new and complete illustration of the celestial science of astrology by Ebenezer Sibly, published by the author in London ca. 1790. It sounds like this file and probably files like that would need additional Book template with that info. --Jarekt (talk) 14:04, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
I have no plans to migrate these to the book template as the source is a mix of paintings, new and old photographs taken by different methods, artefacts as well as books. The book title and author (or illustrator) could be abstracted from the bibliographic link available on the Wellcome images, though these could be added easily enough to the current generic template if useful. I'll think about it, but I am busy with a pile of other stuff.
This week I looked into how the Internet Archive have made a generic API so that all sorts of inconsistent metadata fields are returned when generating catalogue entries as well as some core fields for the basic media files. It would be nice if Commons could move in this direction rather than having complex multiple template types depending on file context and uploader tastes. --Fæ (talk) 16:49, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
@Jarekt: By the way, you may want to compare with how I am now automating links for my Internet Archive page plates uploads (there will probably be around 100,000 of these, possibly more). Where the Flickrstream has author(s) tagged, I am adding a Commons search link, in the "Flickr tags" section, to make it easy to group add author categories using cat-a-lot, e.g. File:Zeitschrift für wissenschaftliche Zoologie (1903) (14597767908).jpg. Obviously the wording of automated Flickr tags does not easily map to categories, but this step at least makes rapid mass categorization very easy and reduced the burden of non-automated volunteer review. --Fæ (talk) 10:51, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
That is quite neat although many links to flickr do not seem to work (like this one). If you are going to upload 100k of those than maybe we should create a customized infobox for this upload. That way we can be internationalizing some of the field names and keeping file pages more readable. I can help with that. --Jarekt (talk) 11:59, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea why some of the backlinks to Flickr don't work, it means they don't work on the original photo page on Flickr either ... there could be some deeper issue with Flickr tags breaking on Flickr, but I'll avoid getting distracted into investigating. I'd be happy to see an ingestion template retrofitted as part of my housekeeping, but let's see what issues come up once there are 100,000+ images (if there are that many large images out of the pool of 3 million). There might be details to pull out of the IA API metadata that do not exist on Flickr, such as the volume number that I have been adding in where relevant,[34] so a housekeeping task could add good value beyond just format and future machine-readability. --Fæ (talk) 12:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Better use of IA metadata
In addition to "volume", I have introduced checking for "creator" in the IA metadata for a book page at the point of upload, i.e. the data is from the IA master catalogue, not the Flickr description. This might be suitable for retrospective changes to the last 70,000 uploads. This field may not exist for some items, for example File:Belgique horticole (20364004265).jpg has none. "Creator" is an array of names and dates which is informally structured depending on the collection. I have started to add these to the information box author field rather than the default Flickrstream IA account.
|author=Geve, Nicolaus Georg;
Schultze, Johann Dominik (b. 1751)
Minimum sizes—Based on some naff crops within the Flickrstream, from today I'm upping the minimum image sizes to at least 2,800 pixels on one side of the image and introduced a minimum of 1,200 pixels on the smallest side. Some of the 'thinner' crops are useful, however having no smaller limit was picking up graphics that were just titles going across a page, or a strip of text down the page in Chinese. Unfortunately height and width are not available on the IA metadata as the system is geared to book data rather than pages, however the sizes for the Flickr crop (not the original page sizes) can be pulled from the Flickr API without having to download the image; which is how I currently do it.
P.S. note the Flickr posted date on the example, it's today. If these book plates are popular, it should be easy to have a regular "slurp" to pick up new releases on a daily basis.
--Fæ (talk) 06:51, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look. Checking the numbers, the exceptions seem to show that the blank detection process is something like 99% accurate. Which seems really useful as a tool. The false matches are interesting, I'll double check the standard deviation numbers later to see if I should drop lower than 7, it could be that I might need to go to 6 or 6.5 to make a difference. Of the examples:
As the detection cuts a 10% border off first, this means that 1 only has the small line of text and is a reasonable match as a blank. I guess this shows why a human review is needed. I'll have a think about whether 10% is over doing it, perhaps it should be 7%...
3 & 9 are definite false positives. Very lightly drawn diagrams or maps will have a low standard deviation, however there will be very few valid figures drawn as extremely lightly as this, in fact it is hard to see as soon as the image is shrunk to a thumbnail.
2 & 5-8 are correctly identified as blanks as they only show the print from the other side of the page. It's actually pretty cool that Faebot is finding these.
4 is a great exception to find. The point of the cartoon is that the middle is blank space, no surprise that a bot gets confused.
10 - I agree that examples with old franks or stamps are useful. However I think trapping them as blanks for review adds value as the tool has identified so many, I guess we only need to keep the best and even these might be better off kept as cropped versions.
11 was actually hand added to the category, rather than by bot. I identified it as a blank as we have other copies of the same marbled paper (from the same book I think) without the library form stuck on it. I guess it might have been better to say that in a speedy nomination.
Run some testing using this list as a test set. With cropping changed to a 7% border and the stddev set to 8, this limits detection to images 1,6,7,9,10. This still leaves 1 & 9 as false matches, but it seems fair to consider these very rare types of false match as the first is almost entirely blank and the second is a faint drawing unfortunately made more odd by the way IA cropped it for Flickr. --Fæ (talk) 23:22, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
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I currently use Flickr2COmmons for my day-to-day mass-upload, but it has it's drawbacks (such as memory crashes if more than 1500 images). I was wondering if you would be willing to publish your tool/script online (open source :) so that I others can take use of your great initiative! Josve05a (talk) 01:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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Fæ, What should we do with the following redirects they seem to be broken and not recognized as redirects. --Jarekt (talk) 23:43, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Some of the problematic redirects
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Seems a bug with the magic word REDIRECT, as equals signs are permitted in filenames (perhaps they should be blacklisted?). I have not got a work around yet. --Fæ (talk) 00:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
If anyone wants the book on Commons, then importing the djvu file is the way to go. This project is taking advantage of the Flickrstream to find cropped figures or plates within the books, which is not something that can easily be done at the Internet Archive itself. See User:Fæ/Project_list/Internet_Archive#Introduction for more detail.
I have been playing around with the IA API, so may turn this into a way of importing some collections to Commons, though probably other things than books. For example there are some audio collections that would be useful to make available here for transclusion into Wikipedia articles. --Fæ (talk) 09:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
SDASM images
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I might look at this late tomorrow, but I have no strong views if you want to go ahead and merge them to whatever is most sensible. There may be a reason to keep photographs from the archives under the more general 'images from' category, but I am not familiar with the organization to know whether this reflects their actual hierarchy of authority. --Fæ (talk) 21:43, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I have now put all the named collections/albums under Category:Photographs by SDASM, and then put that under Images from..., and left individual images where they were. Perhaps now all the loose images in Category:Photographs by SDASM can be moved into their relevant subcats, then the structure might make more sense.PeterWD (talk) 22:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
This moves images to be in a parent of a category they are already in, I have removed the redirect. There was no consensus for YacBot to do this and it disrupts the project. What a waste of my volunteer time to tidy up after another bot writer. Unimpressive. --Fæ (talk) 10:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I agree, and am sorry I didn't check with you first after I saw the category but before I redirected it. Some of the photos were moved, I'll see if I can track them down for you and revert them, as I feel responsible now. AnemoneProjectors (talk) (Flickr) 10:23, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Please leave it, this is a consequence of YacBot being operated without consensus. I would like to take a proper look as it may be appropriate to seek further redress with the operator. --Fæ (talk) 10:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Are you sure? If I hadn't redirected the category, you would not have images in the parent category. I've already reverted some of the moves so what was in "Images uploaded by Fæ" has gone back to the "Uploaded by user Fæ", that I know you don't want, but at least if they're all there, the category you do want is back as you had it. There may have only been fewer than 200 images affected. AnemoneProjectors (talk) (Flickr) 11:02, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I have not looked at it yet, I have real life stuff to get on with. If you have analysed it and think this is better then please go ahead. Obviously the duplicate category will have to be removed and it seems silly to keep on touching these files with additional changes. --Fæ (talk) 11:09, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
I will restore things to how they were before I got involved but after the bot. Then it's just the bot and the bot's category that needs to be dealt with. I apologise. Please carry on with your real life stuff! AnemoneProjectors (talk) (Flickr) 11:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, I recognized that you upload loads of photos from (among others) UK or US government websites. I assume that you do that via a bot or something. I see three problems: 1. File names. In the above mentioned photos you can be lucky that there is only one USS Churchill, however, the ship is not the one depicted in the photo (as US Navy PR-texts are often ... difficult in their content). As with the RN photos, the names do not give any clue about the content. 2. Categories: you put, for example, many of the above uploaded photos in the category "USS Nimitz (CVN-68)". The ship categories are totally overcrowded since bot-uploads filled them with hundreds or thousands of photos. But, if a sailor of USS Nimitz sits at a table on land, I see no reason to put it in the USS Nimitz category. 3. Common sense: bot uploads upload zillions of photos that are, in my opinion, meaningless. Of course, when is a photo important? But especially the US Navy posts thousands of photos that, after having being uploaded, create a lot of problems because of wrong categories, doubles, and the general difficulty to find or create an appropiate category at all (like Category:Sailors of USS Nimitz (CVN-68) sitting at tables in Naval Station Everett in August 2015...) :-). Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 12:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi @Cobatfor: I have noticed you working on a lot of categorization and improvements to military related images, it's much appreciated. For any batch upload of 100,000+ images we are going to be highly reliant on the validity of source metadata. None of the sources I have worked with are perfect and even when, say, location is 98% accurate this still leaves us with thousands of images to correct by volunteer review.
My batch uploads from the DoD are now highly accurate, much better than leaving the large collection dumped in a bucket category, though have understandable problems by being reliant on the textual description. A good example is attempting to match "Barack Obama" in descriptive texts as invariably the majority of matches turn out to be events hosted by Obama or ceremonies sponsored by Obama but where he is not actually in the photograph. Similarly though USS <ship name> is a good search to use, there may be odd photographs of internal ship life, parts of the ship, or even events where someone is about to go to the ship or has left it, but the ship is not in the photo.
My response has been to refine intelligent sensible matches and avoid doubtful searches in the first place. For this reason I avoid searching for "Obama".
Some examples of intelligence built into category matches:
Saa?do?un (Farhan )?[Aa]l.?[Dd]ula.?m[yi];Saadoun al-Dulaimi coping with odd spelling variations for a transliterated name of an Iraqi politician
Adm.*Sinclair Harris;Sinclair Harris matching Admiral Harris but avoiding other "Sinclair Harris's"
!3rd Infantry Regiment;Barack Obama a negative match, so the category Barack Obama is never used when the 3rd Infantry Regiment category applies
!!Warrior Games a bad parent, meaning that the category of Warrior Games is only used if there are no other categories matches
!!!Muppets a sanity clause, if Muppets are mentioned, then don't bother uploading
If you can think of good ways of avoiding bad category matches for certain scenarios I would be happy to ponder better ways of doing the matches.
I don't really accept the idea that DoD photos are meaningless, even when we have zillions. For example a photo of a sailor socializing on particular ship in 1944 is desirable, similarly a sailor doing the same thing on a ship yesterday is still desirable as we want to have photographs showing changes in uniforms, changes to ship layout, plenty of alternative shots for any particular ship, plenty of good shots of sailors wearing glasses and a number 2 crop, or whatever other minor criteria on features potential reusers are looking for.
The reality is that we never know which of these might randomly hit the headlines in the future. I uploaded 100,000—mostly dull and moderate quality—photographs of aircraft taken by amateurs, and in the 2 years these have been around several have sadly been in the press headlines for dramatic crashes or other emergency events, making the handful of freely available photographs of that airframe instantly of extremely high educational value for re-users such as journalists and those working on encyclopaedia entries. Though only 4% or so might ever be used on Wikipedia, as a resource the 100,000 has its own more general benefit to preserving human knowledge and well worth the cost of hosting a few gigabytes of files and the eternal issue for Commons about how best either to automate or prioritize an ever increasing categorization backlog. --Fæ (talk) 13:55, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, of course, it is not easy - if impossible - to determine what will be "historically relevant" in the future. Some users tend to open categories that are, in my opinion, not useful (like "Dakota (SAAF)"). Also, a serial number category for a military aircraft of which there is only one file is something I think is too much. On the other hand, someone now deletes the hull numbers for US Navy ships at en:wikipedia articles if only one ship of this name existed (up to today). This, I think, is (sorry) idiotic, because all USN ships are always identified by their hull numbers. However, we just go on and try, and try ... Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 21:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
@Cobatfor: A minor improvement in finding images you may be interested in, I have added searching for the DVIDS "star rating" which should be a way of discriminating large batches by perceived quality. This was an improvement I tried to implement about a year ago, but it's oddly embedded in JavaScript so is fiddly, as well as being "soft" information not actually tied to the photograph. Note that most images on DVIDS probably have no user rating, and very few have the maximum 5 stars. Click on any image in the gallery as an early example of what this looks like on the revised template. I'm running an initial test, searching for "tank", filtering by 4 or 5 stars only, which seems to filter out 95%+ of the photographs returned. --Fæ (talk) 14:15, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. I more got the problem that there are often only low-quality photos available for the things I am looking for. Concering the USGov photo descriptions, they are, of course PR-descriptions. The National Museum of Naval Aviation on the other hand has a nice photo collection, but no staff. The website is 15 years old and photos "vanish" out of unknown reasons. They have (often untrained) volunteers cataloguing the photos and I even found descriptions I made on Commons back there... Really horrible are the descriptions of the San Diego Air and Space Museum, as mostly non-existent... So there is still a lot to do :-) Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 09:21, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
I have added Internet Archive (uncrop needed) which triggers Faebot to overwrite each image with its full page uncropped version hosted on the Internet Archive. Note that the scans hosted by IA were actually created by the Biodiversity Library (you can check on the IA catalogue page), so these should be identical to the library's own Flickrstream.
@Orchi: Thanks for highlighting the BioDivLibrary stream, lovely stuff. However the titles used for the 100,000 images are terrible, so I have avoided starting a direct upload right now. I will investigate the BHL API and hopefully this will lead to a large batch upload with much better metadata on the image pages fairly soon (this could mean several weeks), including all the orchid images you would like to see. --Fæ (talk) 18:07, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
....you're so fast, that I have problems to follow with my handmake work here. ;-)
Can I ask you to upload these missing eleven plates of this book?:
Done Plus new {{BHL}} template is being worked on to fit the metadata available from the BHL API. As these are uploaded before I generalized a way of doing a larger batch, I have not added any auto-categorization, so please add some categories!
Other talk page watchers, I'll update at COM:BHL if I start a very large batch upload, which looks likely now I've worked through the API.
Update the large batch upload now started, going through the entire Flickrstream but excluding images with the maximum side less than 1200 pixels or already uploaded to Commons. See this search for progress. --Fæ (talk) 04:15, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Hi ;-)
I'm wondering if it would be better to upload the groups of files to a defaults categories compatibile with their names... For example: files with names "Studies in natural history (1888)" go to a category "Studies in natural history (1888)". I know, that at the beginning such a category does not exist, but it's easier to click on a red category and create it -- than moving files from a few different categories to one category - and marking the upper category only...
It's your choice, of course ;-) Wieralee (talk) 11:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
This is being tested with the BHL uploads (which uses very similar processes), just swapped to doing this shortly before you wrote here. See File:A natural history of British birds (18962152323).jpg as an example. Note the work-around is already in the previous uploads, you only need to click on the "find matches" link next to the Identifier. You can use cat-a-lot on the resulting search page. There is no such work-around for the BHL uploads...
Quite a few Commonsists have objected to automated creation of red-link categories in the past, however if I don't get any complaints from the test, I'll use this on the IA uploads in a couple of days.
BTW, Flickr fails to serve me search results on the IA flickrstream when the numbers approach 2,500,000—504 errors—so though I am uploading new files, there are another 1,500,000 older files on that stream which are an undiscovered country. I'm pondering solutions, I'll get there eventually. --Fæ (talk) 11:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Fæ: it's a good system, but I don't like when you use too many categories for single files... IMO the files should have two categories only: home category (which does not exist) and "todo category" (one for all). When sb is creating a home category, can give it many categories -- and remove this files from the "todo category". The home category should have many categories, as "Botany", "Catalogs", "Ornithology", "Gardening"... but not each single file... The categories are being spoiled... when the category hasn't got subcategories and has a few thousand files -- is ruined... you can find nothing inside it. I don't mention such cases, like this, when the upload went wrong :( I had hoped I can repair this categories, but each day they contain more and more files... Think about it, please... Wieralee (talk) 23:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
There is a fix. I have added {{categorize}} to: Botany, Catalogs, Ornithology, Gardening and Periodicals. It's good practice to mark categories which are high in a hierarchy this way and both the IA and BHL uploads are careful to detect use of this template as well as {{diffuse}}—by checking against r"\{\{([Cc]ategori.e|[Cc]atdiffuse|[Dd]iffuse)\}\}". Please mark any other categories which are being inappropriately flooded and once you clean them out, they should stay cleaned out though my upload script will need to restart as it intelligently remembers which were good or bad categories to avoid constantly having to read category pages.
I can fix this another way, for example in some batch uploads I have a fixed list of desired or forbidden categories, however this is probably the simplest and most collegiate way of achieving the same outcome.
The "home" category is Category:Files from the Biodiversity Heritage Library, which means this can be intersected with other categories to handle more complex flooding problems or automated re-categorization, for example with VFC.
By the way, the number of possible categories for any uploaded image in these two batch upload projects is strictly limited. Only the first 5 Flickr tags are examined, and of those only the ones with existing Commons categories result in categories being applied. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 04:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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This file and the rest of the set - and all the related files at the source not uploaded have mangled dates. The dates are shown on the cover page (and for some of them on most every page inside) but the source has them listed incorrectly. Seed annual (16263783668) says 1900, not 1921 as the file (and source) say. The one marked 1920 in the source [36] says "Autumn 1902" on the cover. That 1920 details page seems to include 11 separate seed catalogs published between 1902 and 1930. Rmhermen (talk) 23:30, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
The BHL data seems reliable, so this is an unfortunate glitch. There don't seem that many images right now in 1900 D.M. Ferry seed catalog (i.e. tens rather than hundreds), so a bot based fix is probably not any easier than doing these 'by hand'. At the BHL source, there is a small triangle icon to the top right of the image to report errors. It would be useful to pass back metadata mistakes like to BHL as this is one of the spin-off benefits of encouraging releases to Commons. If you get interesting replies, or see they fix the data promptly, this would be good to note at COM:BHL. --Fæ (talk) 05:07, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
FP Promotion
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Commented. For clear duplicates with no possible value to add please use {{duplicate}} though normally some near identical lithographs may have use due to normal variations in print quality. --Fæ (talk) 08:54, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Note on measuring recentness of uploads for the Internet Archive book plates project (IA books)
Latest comment: 8 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion
After 160,000 images uploaded from the Internet Archive, we finally found that Victorian lolcat, showing exactly how smart Wikimedians feel, proving we've all been here before —Kittens and cats (1911)
The following list is the number of images uploaded to Commons as part of IA books, but ordered by the date they were newly created and uploaded to Flickr by IA. Keep in mind that only the minority of images greater than 2,800 pixels on the longest side are considered for Commons upload (possibly 4% of the collection). This shows how recent these image crops/releases by IA are, and the fact that the quantities seem highly variable. When the count is more than 10,000 in a day, the search function is truncated. You can do the equivalent of this search on any particular day by adjusting the date of this Commons search.
D/B lags for the API search function, or something more obscure, may make the numbers here wildly unreliable, for example the 24 Jul should read as 2,145 rather than 174, based on the live web-based search. So it's a good job I'm just an unpaid volunteer not relying on these numbers to justify anything. --Fæ (talk) 17:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Table of IA book plates uploaded vs. Flickr release date
Date, Images uploaded
01 Jul 2015 2249
02 Jul 2015 2155
03 Jul 2015 1359
04 Jul 2015 1084
05 Jul 2015 1107
06 Jul 2015 927
07 Jul 2015 >10000
08 Jul 2015 1316
09 Jul 2015 567
10 Jul 2015 >10000
11 Jul 2015 >10000
12 Jul 2015 >10000
13 Jul 2015 8263
14 Jul 2015 8787
15 Jul 2015 8709
16 Jul 2015 9480
17 Jul 2015 7476
18 Jul 2015 >10000
19 Jul 2015 7029
20 Jul 2015 10399
21 Jul 2015 2404
22 Jul 2015 2406
23 Jul 2015 2922
24 Jul 2015 4129
25 Jul 2015 5320
26 Jul 2015 1913
27 Jul 2015 1315
28 Jul 2015 1334
29 Jul 2015 1100
30 Jul 2015 2648
31 Jul 2015 1158
01 Aug 2015 255
02 Aug 2015 314
03 Aug 2015 268
04 Aug 2015 130
05 Aug 2015 127
06 Aug 2015 127
07 Aug 2015 8384
08 Aug 2015 131
09 Aug 2015 79
10 Aug 2015 554
11 Aug 2015 316
12 Aug 2015 756
13 Aug 2015 231
14 Aug 2015 1200
15 Aug 2015 2930
16 Aug 2015 4689
17 Aug 2015 867
18 Aug 2015 2564
19 Aug 2015 1695
20 Aug 2015 385
21 Aug 2015 206
22 Aug 2015 173
23 Aug 2015 317
24 Aug 2015 174
25 Aug 2015 182
Hi @Fæ: , not sure that Commons search link is correct -- for example, the first hit it gives (for 2015-08-24) is File:Bulletin (1955) (20425081375).jpg; but according to the file page that was posted to Flickr on 9 August 2015. Perhaps double-quotes may not be currently working on Commons search?
(And correctly(?) it gives 2145 for Aug 24, and zero for Jul 24; unlike 174 and 4129 in your table).
Flickr uploads (as subsequently re-uploaded by you here) seem to have re-commenced at scale on 5 Aug, following 3000 in July, 15000 in June, 18000 in May, none in April, 4700 in March, 1006 in Feb, none in Jan, Dec, Nov, Oct, Sep, Aug, 40000 in Jul 2014 ? Jheald (talk) 22:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
It's good to see that the IA uploads to Flickr are on the move again. They seemed to do the first 2.6 million images by August last year (out of over 14 million apparently extracted), but then seemed to stop -- disappointingly, as there was some very nice stuff eg from books like this one that I hoped might appear.
It looks like they have since started uploading again -- I'm not quite sure from when, but you have that info -- presumably now as part of the pipeline from new books that they are scanning. The recent uploads seem to be overwhelmingly from the Biodiversity Heritage Library project. Do you know if that is exclusively the case, or is other stuff appearing as well? (Including any of the backlog from older books that they have scanned?)
Also, I really like the 'uncrop' tool. But do you know if you're getting full resolution, eg compared to the IA images, if you're pulling images from the flipbook pages (even at maximum zoom)? -- I know some of the IA downloadable pdf can be (or, at least, could be in the past) quite savagely compressed, compared to the JPEG2000 images available as a zipfile. Do you know if the same is true for the images you're pulling from the flipbook, or are they okay?
@Jheald: There are over 5 million crops in the IA Flickrstream today. Though most are under the slightly arbitrary 2,800 pixels on a side limit I have chosen, this still gives a big repository of high quality "book plates" to draw on. The updates do seem erratic, possibly related to staff availability. If they ever give up on their project we could probably do something similar ourselves—i.e. automatic detection of suitable images on a page, ignoring text, and create and upload the crop. In the longer term, I was intending to create my own "IA uploader", I have it half written as I was going to do something initially with audio file uploads.
The numbers in the table above are wrong, it's just a bit of fun and I'll revisit at some point. It's a bit close to my holiday to start anything new. There's a lot of last minute chores to get on with!
I think the recent preponderance to BHL stuff is coincidence. My own BHL project is running separately based on the BHL Flickrstream—Commons:Biodiversity_Heritage_Library/Reports. It actually uploads the image directly from the BHL site rather than the Flickr or IA mirrors (the BHL Flickr stream is full pages, not crops), so my two projects are in competition with each other. I went down this route after exploring the BHL API2, in order to create the meaningful image pages (their Flickr pages have virtually no metadata).
The uncrop uses the IA book page image at maximum resolution. This pulls the single page download link from the IA API. As this can return a pre-rotated image, this is why I created the 90 and 270 degree rotation categories. This is the normal jpeg they use for book viewing, which seems good quality to me... but ... testing ...
Test1: Downloading the entire 608MB book zip for https://archive.org/details/treebookpopularg1920roge gives page numbering mismatches. This could be a challenge. The uploaded cropped page 'n258' maps to the JP2 uncropped zip page 262. At the moment I have no idea how to compensate for the page mismatching apart from manually looking at them. The difference is not based on "actual" book page as the figures are inserted between pages 174/175. I suspect the solution may be in delving a bit more into the API at page level (deferring that).
Test2: Upload manual uncrop (not via IA API) of test page, using the max zoom page view. JPEG Image, 3,056 × 4,473 (2.19 MB).
Test3: Upload JP2 alternative (p262) 3056 × 4473 pixels 1.5MB. Cannot, as not allowed on Commons.
Okay, the JP2 is smaller in filesize but the identical resolution. When looking at the JPEG and JP2 side by side at maximum resolution, I see every print point of the original in identical detail. Oddly, perhaps, the colour background is slightly different with the JP2 appearing a lighter colour. At this point I'm abandoning the idea of "upgrading" my uploads as there is no perceptible improvement in quality. I think that IA have probably done the best possible job in taking the JP2 original scan and re-compressing to JPEG without losing any noticeable detail for either the viewer or a reuser wanting to print out. As Commons cannot take JP2, I'd have to re-compress again and I doubt my judgement for re-compression settings would be an improvement on IA's decisions.
What I'm most pleased with in this project was the handling of blank pages—User:Fæ/Project_list/Internet_Archive#Blank_pages. The IA have failed to do anything about this on their Flickrstream, so the value of their project is weakened by the large number of scanned blank pages. My blank page filter is built in to my upload, so obvious blanks are skipped; for some book scans the detected images are actually all blank pages!
The Mostly blank detector has been one of the best experiments I've done for a while. Giving Faebot simple eyes to look through collections gives interesting results and some excellent techniques for housekeeping or improving future projects.
Anyway, I'm parking this line of thought, in order to spend more time packing my suitcase... --Fæ (talk) 08:04, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Have a good break! Again, many thanks for all of the above -- and for setting my mind at rest on the resolution question. More chat when you get back again. All best, Jheald (talk) 08:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, a few months ago I mentioned to you that the report categories generated by Faebot lack categorization and show up on Special:UncategorizedCategories in increasing numbers. This is still unsolved. May I remind you to fix this (after your vacation, of course)? Thanks, --Rudolph Buch (talk) 11:53, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
I would send you some, but I think the German ones are not as good as those from English speaking countries, so it would probably be a disappointment. Thanks for doing it even without sweets incentives. --Rudolph Buch (talk) 13:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
As a treat for you, I'm going to prioritize matches to orchid for the next 24 hours (example). However I'm then travelling for a week and uploading is going to be on hold. If you have any requests leave them here and I'll take a look on my return.
In general, the BHL uploads are about 30% complete, unless I've missed something about the Flickrstream I'm navigating by. There are around 15,000 images released as Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike which includes some orchid related books, and I suspect these can be uploaded as PD after some research and pinning down the necessary automated checks. --Fæ (talk) 06:41, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
First thank you for the missing picture. The amount of the new images are working for years. Unfortunately, one has to look for the name of each photo and the duplicates are time-consuming to search (The plant name and the plate number in the title of the pictures would be very, very good). I'd want a little more time for good work here at the orchids. ;-) Orchi (talk) 19:45, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
If the page numbers parameter is filled in, these can be automatically renamed... more specific renaming is also possible but I think this would be book by book. Something I can investigate but was a bit too unreliable to automate up front.
I've patched this in for new uploads. Filenames are now "<title> (<pagenumbers>) (<flickr photoID>).jpg" but with no first brackets where pagenumbers is absent from the BHL metadata. Examples:
This means that a folder containing nothing but all the uploaded illustrations will be alphabetically sorted by plate numbers (the word and language of "plate" and the format of the number will vary depending on how described in the metadata). I know this doesn't match the way you have prefixed filenames with figure numbers, but there's no particular standard for this agreed, and this is the way I prefer citation style format from a lexicography viewpoint. If this looks stable after next week, I'll look at whether it is worth doing this retrospectively as a Faebot task. Now, must get back to bed and try to sleep, busy last day ahead in 'real life'. --Fæ (talk) 02:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
No problem but I'm out of volunteer time right now. I should be available to look at questions from around 8th September.
A quick look using this search seems to show that the two plates are not on Flickr. This is more complex, though it may be worth me putting together a biodiversitylibrary.org script. I'll return to think about this in a week or two.--Fæ (talk) 12:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
I'd be interested in fixing the general pattern for any remaining uncreated book categories left as redlinks, though I could search out likely book titles that have been created and work out which categories are shared between all images in the category. I'll look at this after my holiday to see how common an issue it is. @Wieralee: as the specific category creator.
I corrected most of them and will recheck this week. I have been redoing a lot of these, especially through Media needing categories requiring human attention WayneRay (talk) 14:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Category:Media needing categories requiring human attention Just going through all the uncategorized images for 2013 and 2014 and it seems all of your photos have no connecting Category?? No one will ever see them. Stop what you are doing and do a proper job of cateloguing your photos. All photos should be connected to a main and proper Category. WayneRay (talk) 19:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
It would be better to give some examples and I can see which batch project these were part of. There may or may not be a fix. I go about things now fairly differently to the way I did in 2013. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 06:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Sorry I sounded mad but I wasn't LOL I will find some examples but for now I remember seeing many in November 2013 and they are all listed by day per month in the above Category. Cheers. WayneRay (talk) 14:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Fæ. Do you know about the privacy in the following specific case: After working on this file i looked the place at/with Google Street View and as you can see at the Street View Version the mural Advertisement has been blurred by Google. How do the rules for WP-Commons about this comply related to Adresses, Phone Numbers etc. Or even about "free" advertising ? Thank you & Best Regards --Gary Dee (talk) 18:15, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Copyright: There is no legal restriction in NL on taking an sharing images of streets or public signs, though creative works may have copyright implications if the photographs are intended, or appear, to reproduce the artwork. In this case there is only simple text, so no reason to protect copyright.
Privacy: Neither is this private data/portrait images or demeaning material with an expectation of privacy that might be a 'non-legal' concern for us under Photographs of identifiable people.
From explanations I have seen of Google Streetview blanking signage, this appears intended to remove car license plates. The reasoning is that Google do not want to have a claim of privacy infringement by anyone feeling their expectation of privacy, say, when their car is parked in their driveway, has been violated. On Commons we do remove photographs of cars (or just blank the number) where the license plates are visible, especially when a complaint is received. This is done as a courtesy rather than due to legal requirements. However simple fixed commercial signage with phone numbers or other data visible are not removed and this has not been a concern for the community, nor the general public.
@MPF: The one spending time on these is mainly me. Sadly the reason they are included is because IA's Flickrstream of images-from-books does a poor job of separating blank pages from real images, especially for older books and scans from microfilm. I created a sophisticated blank page detector and added it to the upload process for this reason, and the vast majority of blank pages are now skipped. In addition a post-upload housekeeping task is doing a good job marking less obvious suspected blank files for review, plus all black & white images are separated into their own category as the microfiche images are far more likely to include problematic pages. See the story at User:Fæ/Project_list/Internet_Archive#Blank_pages. Rather than worrying about individual files, I suggest leaving blank pages for housekeeping to pick up on, though it is worth keeping an eye on Category:Internet Archive (mostly blank) to help by deleting true blank pages and un-categorizing useful non-blank pages (...as I'm not an admin, it remains impossible for me to delete a file). --Fæ (talk) 10:39, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks - but can't you just halt the upload process when you see a blank page?? I assume you do look at each image on Flickr before deciding whether to upload it?!? - MPF (talk) 11:21, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
Not when batch uploading 200,000 pages in under 3 months, think of it as an Agile project. The proportion of blank scanned pages mistaken as images by the IA for their stream is very low, mostly from the B&W microfiches. Have a look at the project page where I have explained the improvements made so far. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 07:31, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Plate numbers of Category:Curtis's Botanical Magazine
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I'll think about it, possibly later today. Automating the 'category trimming' might come first though, and there's a small bug there dogging me...
Done This has been done "literally" on the presumption that it's best to match the original publication, so tab. and no. occur as well as plate. --Fæ (talk) 20:25, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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For the past days I´ve been categorizing stuff you did upload earlier and I found in some cases several files which show the same motive ,worst example: Category:William Gott. Is there a rule on what to keep and what to dump? Or where to report? Alexpl (talk) 10:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
If you find problematic identical duplicates, you can mark them with {{duplicate}}. In the case of the General Gott photographs, there are a couple of crops and variations of the same photograph, however it is worth keeping the original archive version, crops and cleaned up digitally enhanced versions as separate images for reuse, so I don't see that category as something that needs fixing. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 12:44, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
If I can just mark the images by {{duplicate}} I dont have to make any decisions regarding quality - which would be very annoying, so I´m fine with that. Thx. Alexpl (talk) 12:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Trimming categories of BHL images
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A note for talk page watchers; I have started a routine to scan the BHL uploads and trim categories on an image that are also parents for a book category. The book category must have been created (they start out as red-links). Initially this seems to show that other volunteers are doing a good job removing surplus categories when they create a book category. See example of the routine in action.
The routine is relatively slow, probably taking a few days to scan through the entire BHL uploads (which is at 50,000 but are still going on, so this will have to be re-run as a housekeeping task). --Fæ (talk) 16:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Category Seeds
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PLEASE stop uploading photos to Category:Seeds. All of the hundreds of images are not seeds. They are old seed catalogs and should be in their appropriate categories which are then connected to Seeds, Seed catalogs, 1898 books etc, Gardening books, Botanical illustrations etc. You have them connected to all these subcategories and also a main Cat which is way too many duplicates. The main subcategory is the only place to have the additional sub categories. It has taken me three days to correct your errors and misfiling and I am only up to C. Please don't add anymore photos to this category. Thanks. WayneRay (talk) 19:25, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Well it is not a matter of stripping them away from seeds: for example there are dozens of Child's 1923 (1923) which have no other Category than Seeds and 1923 books. I created Category:Childs' 1923 catalog and have to put them in there individually. This goes for all the different Child's images, there are at least six main Category names as titles with no Category? all in Seeds, so it will have to be done by hand. If you strip them all and put them all in Seed catalogs they will still have to be reorganized there so I will do it in Seeds. I created 90% of the galleries and subcategories years ago and feel like it is my duty to maintain it. Thanks very much. Live long and prosper WayneRay (talk) 19:48, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, it's a knotty problem. Unfortunately as we Commonsists have no consensus for a reliably predictable category hierarchy (or any other system if not a hierarchy) then it is impossible to do much more than a relatively poor job on automated categorization for batch uploads. If you are not already a wizard in using cat-a-lot along with the more advanced options for the search engine (like insource: and incategory:) you will find these a great help when organizing "by hand". The challenges of making possible Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. --Fæ (talk) 19:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
I tried Cat a lot but couldnt get it going so far. Will try another time. I am going to sub categorize all the Child's catalogs into one Major Cat, then put it in the appropriate places. It will take a while. Thanks WayneRay (talk) 17:21, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
If you look at Category:Childs' fall bulbs that bloom plants shrubs fruits etc., I am just running my BHL categorization script which strips off any categories from an image that the "book category" has as its parent categories. In this case the categories seeds and 1919 books were being stripped. I'm happy to run this for any largish book category that you create and list here for me (say, with 25+ pages in it), just make sure it is categorized under seeds so that the children images then get trimmed from the seeds category. Do persist with cat-a-lot, it will save you a huge amount of time when you get used to it. --Fæ (talk) 17:27, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I also want to add Cat:Botanical illustrations as these are plant drawings. I was planning on putting (as I mentioned) all the Child's material under one main Category and the only subcats should be there, such as the ones you have as well as the old opnes you stripped such as Seed catalogs, Gardening books etc. What do you think of this idea. It cleans it up more. WayneRay (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Sure, the script will be limited to the single parent category for the book and its categories. Any hierarchy you want to add would be fine, it just might limit later housekeeping scripts. Obviously, adding useful categories to the book is the most useful thing to do for categories that apply to all images from the book, whereas if an image is suitable for more specific categories, they can be added to that unique image. --Fæ (talk) 18:29, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks and all of these as well "Condensed catalogue of specialties, novelties and special offers in choice new and rare bulbs, plants, seeds and fruits " they are Child's as well. Great thanks to you for helping out. Where are you located? I am in London Ontario Canada. WayneRay (talk) 19:56, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm in London too! (But in the UK ). I found a few minutes to bash out something which operates quite slowly, so the sorting should be finished in the next hour. --Fæ (talk) 20:28, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
RFA
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Hi Fæ! I would like to request a batch importation of the public domain image set from on Flickr: Die Myriapoden: Getreu nach der Natur abgebildet und beschrieben (1863) (125 images). And also, I'd just like to thank you for the continued movement of images to Commons- while it does require additional effort to sort and categorize the new content, and not all content may be usable, I think the benefits to Commons and all Wikimedia projects ultimately justify the extra work. All the best, --Animalparty (talk) 22:07, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the encouragement, with the RFA running I could do with a bit. I took a look this evening, the search part of Flickr's API behaves a little strangely, so I had to fiddle about with it. A lot of these images are small, a few below 400x400 pixels. On the presumption you would prefer them all, I've reduced my resolution threshold, and you may wish to use the Faebot uncrop feature to grab the entire pages. For convenience, I am forcing a bucket category of Category:Die Myriapoden, but it's your call on whether you want to keep it this way. I'm off to bed just after starting the upload run, so will not check the uploads all worked until tomorrow. --Fæ (talk) 23:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks so much, it looks great- I'm working to increase the Wiki (and off-wiki) coverage of myriapods, a severely under-studied group of animals. Bright colorful images (with species identification by experts) are in short supply, and this helps a lot! --Animalparty (talk) 03:22, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
This may take a few days as I would like to solve this generically rather than for the one image. I think this image is not in the BHL Flickrstream, so this upload is a good excuse for me to look again at the archive source, biodiversitylibrary, and redo my Flickr based script to be able to discover book plates directly from BHL. There may be a couple of twists in how this works, including the potential for incompatible licenses, even though I'll end up using the same Commons templates, so I need to spend a bit of time checking it over.
DoneUpdate, my conclusion was wrong. The image is on the Flickrstream, it just fell below the minimum size filter (being 1197 x 873 pixels). The general point about using the biodiversitylibrary archive applies, but I'll return to it at a more convenient moment, probably soon after my RFA closes next week. --Fæ (talk) 10:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hi. You upladed many files from a Flickr account like this file. That account is obviously the official account of SALT, which is a cultural organization based in Istanbul. They host some exibitions and they use many photograps in these events. They upload them to Flickr account as a public domain, but they are not the original creator of these files. So, isn't the right thing to delete these files and not to take anymore files from that account? Or am I just missing a point? Regards.--Rapsar (talk) 20:41, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Having poor data on the image page is not normally a reason to delete an image. In this case, we can rely on SALT to have assessed the copyright of their own archive and decided these are copyright free. I agree that the 'author' field is being incorrectly used, but putting the archive name in the field is commonly accepted as a reasonable thing to do. I think the author for the example would be more accurately set as 'unknown', feel free to change it if you think this is a good thing to do. As the batch uploader it would be probably less accurate for me to do this globally without reviewing each individual case. --Fæ (talk) 21:32, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
Your explanation in your RfA
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Thanks for your passion and explanation. Know that I can see you and your stand, and that I acknowledge and appreciate it.
I have a request for you. The English Wikiversity is a place where it's possible to study and experiment with alternatives. Wikiversity is commonly misunderstood by Wikipedians. It's not merely a collection of educational resources, including a lot of crap. Rather, one of the goals is learning by doing, that is, the education of users, not merely the creation of content.
Wikiversity is highly inclusive, which, while it means we have much content of low quality, also means we have very low conflict, ordinarily. We have ways of handling such content conflict that arises, such as by forking. Take a look at wikiversity:en:Landmark Education. This has been a highly controversial topic on en.wiki, I think there was an ArbCom case, etc. I started the LE resource in 2011, because I had just done the training and wanted to create a glossary of what I have called "Landmartian," i.e., the technical language, the jargon, used in the training. A former Wikipedia sysop, an "anti-cult" editor, arrived and began putting some very negative material in the resource, largely about things that I knew were irrelevant to the trainings themselves. We could have started revert warring.
So I forked it, as you can see. Basically, in academia, a course may have "sections," which are managed by different teachers, or seminars may be led by different leaders. Wikiversity has a neutrality policy, like all WMF wikis, but on wikiversity we can handle it by inclusion, specifically by neutral placement and the use of attributed resources, which are like essays or opinion pieces, they do not need to be neutral. That's because we allow subpages in mainspace. (Which are highly useful in many ways, a resource can become huge, and deep, while each page is manageable in size).
(Wikipedia attempts to enforce neutrality by requiring "NPOV," which doesn't exist for human beings. There is such a thing as academic or journalistic detachment, but it's difficult to create with a pile of untrained volunteers who are often uncoachable. So it's unreliable on Wikipedia, leading to continual and predictable conflict.)
I think that "anti-cult" user might have fallen out of his chair. He'd never seen anything like it. He was given complete freedom to create a critical resource, neutrally linked from the top-level page. He and I had numerous productive conversations. Later, he was getting into trouble on wikiquote (where he's an admin) and I intervened, and he trusted me, and we were able to resolve a huge dispute and save a sysop from being desysopped, simply a young user who'd made a mistake. All the young sysop needed was some guidance to admit the error, so we could move on.
Here, a sysop just resigned over, in part, others uploading different versions of an image he'd created. That was unnecessary as a conflict, because images can be forked. Did anyone try that? I don't think so! Instead, much blame and finger-pointing and .... Commons lost an admin and Fr.wiki an admin and oversighter. Yes, we could say he was "excitable," someone called him a "drama queen." This community routinely allows gross incivility, because ... people flap their hands, "yes, it's bad, but there is nothing we can do about it."
To guarantee that there is nothing that can be done, just keep repeating the mantra: "there is nothing we can do." It is reputed to avoid any sort of guilt for failure to create workable structures. Does it work?
So the request. Show up on Wikiversity. Green Giant is there, started massively wikignoming. Create or edit some resources. Watch central process (which most users avoid like the plague.) Wikiversity, by the way, has a mentored sysop process, the normal way to become a sysop there is to request a mentor, and there is no vote. Find a mentor and, in theory, a 'crat will push the button and you are an instant sysop. I've been one three times.
If you have some idea of what I do, you might understand why I'm not one now, but if you ask me on my talk page on Wikiversity, I'll tell you. This is the bottom line: I have much more freedom not being a sysop. I don't need the tools for the vast majority of what I do, and when I want a page deleted, I drop a deletion template on it, and, almost like magic, the page is gone quickly. That's because we only delete stuff where deletion is not controversial. Otherwise, what we do is to organize content, some of it gets pushed in user space, and, perhaps you can understand this: users get very upset when their work is deleted. They do not get nearly as upset, or don't get upset at all, when it's moved into their user space! It does not take sysop tools to do this! So, little by little, we are organizing the site. We do not need more sysops, we need more community.
My views are not universally held on Wikiversity, but they are quite popular! Please, come, and we need leadership. Consider: your experience with conflict could be highly valuable. On Wikiversity, you can actually create solutions. --Abd (talk) 01:12, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
The RFA has been allowed to be used for sarcastic attacks and unpleasantness, and it will take time to think about what to do next and feel positive. I do not think it is wise to commit my unpaid volunteer time to anything until I have had some space. --Fæ (talk) 17:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Well, Fae, you are "reactive." Don't worry, that is very human, but it can be disempowering. Commons is commonly a forum for "unpleasantness." I've made a few efforts to address that, but until the community wakes up and takes civility seriously, this will continue to be, on occasion, a cesspool, not a fun place to swim.
This is a systemic issue, and it's an error to blame individual users for it, or, in the other direction, to blame "drama queens," etc. In fact, if someone actually is reactive, using perjoratives about it is rubbing salt in a wound.
I wanted you to know that I appreciated the work you have done, that you would be welcome on Wikiversity -- even though I'm blocked there at the moment, a bump in the road, something very rare that only affects uppity know-it-alls like me -- and, further, I'd like you to notice that the RfA is actually no consensus, and that anyone who takes occasionally unpopular positions will see this result -- or worse. Wikis also suffer from "me-too-itis." Some users will see a trend and pile onto it. The Commons administrative community is not representative of the full community, but only of those specially concerned with central process, a problem called "participation bias." That problem could be fixed, but probably by creating a different structure that actually represents the community, and that would have authority to "hire and fire" administrators, then making it much easier to recruit them and supervise them. The "admin for life" concept is badly broken, but it carries on because no time is put into carefully considering alternatives. Imagine "police officer for life," or any other executive position where power is assigned. Wikis fell into this and became highly conservative about it because it was "quick," i.e., "wiki."
Wikiversity is easy. You can actually have fun there. I have not appealed my en.wiki ban based on one question: why, in my right mind, would I want to dive back into that mess, where it can take weeks of work to negotiate a simple and obvious change, where users with buttons feel free to insult and abuse, and then block and ban others who hiccup in the wrong way? I can develop whatever content I want on Wikiversity, can explore what I want to learn, and can help others do the same. It's like freedom after jail. I use Wikipedia, and if Wikipedians are willing to tolerate this extraordinarily inefficient and unreliable process, not my problem. Always read the sources! And do your own research, sometimes the most reliable sources are systematically excluded by users who don't like them. --Abd (talk) 19:49, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Processing files from Internet Archive Book Images Flickr stream
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Hi, Fæ! Can you take a look at what I did here — File:The street railway review (1891) (14781163903).jpg, please? I usually stay away from touching whatever metadata comes from a GLAM source, even when it is wrong, as it can be valuable by itself (like I did with custom fields here). In the case of this image of a Baltimore tram published in a July 1901 issue of a magazine founded 1891 I dared to remove extraneous stuff (like the text-before, which was from an unrelated article), and correct some fields (date, authorship, source); I also created some categories — though misspelled this one: will fix its contents into subcats of the right one, like this. Let me know whether this is the way to go. -- Tuválkin✉✇00:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
The OCR recognized text is problematic, I was in two minds as to the value of including it, however for some images it can be quite useful for later searches. If the text looks like nonsense then I have deleted these myself and you should use your judgement as to its value. I'm aware of the capitals problem for titles, where possible I use searches that are case insensitive for this reason, however I have avoided auto-correcting to title case in the image description but see no issue with using corrected categories.
Carry on, you are doing good work. If my semi-automated housekeeping appears to do odd things with changed files let me know, in theory no automated process should be overriding human judgement. --Fæ (talk) 08:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Some stroopwafels for you!
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Thanks. I'll not get the 75% needed this time, I may try again next year. The background of negative off-wiki canvassing verging on harassment has become entirely predictable. --Fæ (talk) 15:08, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I express my compassion for not becoming an admin. As proverb says: friends come and go, but enemies accumulate. If you say, that negative off-wiki canvassing is entirely predictable, then I think, that there's no sense to apply for adminship next year. And a year after that also. Maybe after five years. Also note, that in-wiki canvassing is bad too and can bring more oppose-votes than allowable quarter. Taivo (talk) 09:55, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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Voltaire Award
«J’ai toujours fait une prière à Dieu, qui est fort courte. La voici: Mon Dieu, rendez nos ennemis bien ridicules! Dieu m’a exaucé.»
I hope you will go on admirably unbudged by all this, although in your place I’d be crawling up the walls. Maybe focus on the idea that this whole circus does maximize the pettyness of some and does shoo away the reasonableness of many — it is indeed the worst possible (winks to the guy on the left) spectacle an RfA could offer. I hope you’ll try again, if you feel like enduring it: A net gain for all if you succeed, another snapshot of rottenness if you don’t. -- Tuválkin✉✇14:16, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
It's not the only case, but definitely a minority problem. The issue was created by the Internet Archive when creating crops for their Flickrstream. In some cases all images from a book have been shifted by 1 page in their links back to the source. It is not possible for me to automatically detect this problem as the cropped images are not digitally the same thing as the source pages back at the IA archive.
The solution I use is to follow the source link from the Commons images and work out if the page link is one-back or not (so far, the page numbers seem to mismatch precisely this way), then change the IA link page number on Commons to the right one, by increasing it by one. I can see this is what you did with diff. However you don't need to manually upload the full resolution image if you would prefer the bot to do it, just add again to Category:Internet Archive (uncrop needed) and the correct page will be uploaded. This also ensures we avoid the sort of mistake you originally made on the upload of nabbing a lower resolution. --Fæ (talk) 09:42, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
I forgot to note here that I later found out this to be an IA-to-Flickr error. Good to know that the uncrop rq. cat. will work once that’s fixed in the file page. -- Tuválkin✉✇11:44, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Keep in mind that if you add Category: Internet Archive (90 degree rotation needed) and the uncrop category at the same time, then the page is uploaded with the rotation required in one step as it is all processed at the Internet Archive side. It's pretty smart and means you can use cat-a-lot to ask for the rotations for many images in one go. Should save a lot of volunteer time in those particular circumstances. I mention this on the category page, but I don't think many volunteers helping with this batch upload know about it or have tried it. --Fæ (talk) 11:49, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Medusae of the world
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Hi, I saw that you uploaded some images from Medusae of the world, by A.G.Mayor (1910). I wanted to tell you that I started uploading some figures from these books and that a category already exists: Category:Medusae of the world. Cheers, Ruthven(msg)15:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
Don't be shy of mass changing categories. Commons insource searches seem slightly unreliable right now, but I'll take another look in a day or two, it might be database lag. I'll be happy to apply your category.
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Example from backlog. Marked as flickr_not_found, half a day after uploading from Flickr (2015-09-22), correctly using Flickr's API. The image page has ten links to Flickr, the source link being predictably under the "source=" parameter.
Not sure what the root cause is, most often this has been due to rotations rather than the URL. I'll probably find time to investigate later today.
@Ww2censor: I checked a couple. The URLs in the files are correct, so there appears to be nothing to fix as far as I can see. This may be down to a variation of the rotation problem, or perhaps the review bot has some other weakness I'm unaware of. The way that "Flickr_not_found" is deduced may be something to raise with @Zhuyifei1999: as the operator, as there may be a known error behind it.
Keep in mind that my batch Flickr uploads are checked via the Flickr API. This will be identical to whatever check any Flickrbot might do, so the fact that my uploads are ending up in a backlog adds no true value to what is going on. Frankly they could be removed en-mass without compromising anything, however this was discussed last year and the conclusion was that a bot that was not my bot needed to do another review, even if the technical fact was that this added no value and remains a bureaucratic nicety. --Fæ (talk) 11:51, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
Well thanks both of you for looking into this issue. I review a lot of Flickr images and it seemed odd that so many recent uploads returned "image_not_found" errors but they are now gone, so the rereview seems to have fixed them if that is what happened. I presume many of the other review failures that are putting images into the [[:Category:Flickr images needing human review]] are due to the FlickreviewR bot not being able to determine that a rotated image is the same as the non-rotated image at the source. Again thanks Ww2censor (talk) 23:00, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Better categories
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Screenshot showing the auto-categorization of the Internet Archive bucket category. It's pretty cool, if a bit slow.
Based on these I have a routine which is slowly going through BHL uploads and removing redundant child categories (such as book year). I have just started a version for IA uploads which does the same thing, but as there was no particular demand to auto-add the book title as a category, this is less likely to pick up changes needed unless volunteers like yourself create book categories with text that is a sub-set of the filenames used (a first example of the IA housekeeping is Category:"Roentgen" induction coils and other X-ray apparatus (1903), a category that Hilohello made a few days ago, where the child images are having Category:Induction coils and Category:Radiography automatically trimmed). However I have just specially pointed the same script to your "Old England" category, so you should see the child images having their redundant categories trimmed. If you have particularly large categories like this that could do with automated trimming, just drop me a list here; you don't have to do the same thing "by hand" as my script will eventually pick them up in its category housekeeping run.
With respect to diffusion categories, these do get avoided if they are marked with the standard templates (see #1 above).
Both IA and BHL uploads are complete, so future runs should be a tiny fraction of what has happened in the last couple of weeks, unless the Flickrstreams suddenly have a burst of fresh material.
Update for your example Old England category, 23 out of the 85 images had their categories trimmed automatically, this same process will slowly tick through the entire 300,000 batch upload collection. --Fæ (talk) 23:19, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
@Magog the Ogre: could you do me a favour and confirm whether these are limited to the same time/day? I'm presuming these blank text pages are down to a WMF operational problem, rather than any failure on my side that needs fixing. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 05:39, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
At least they are limited to the same day. It looks like a mass repeated failure on the WMF side, as nothing on my client side has changed and I've been uploading these using the same programme for the last month. I'll take a look at creating a special reverse page rewriter script (depending on free time this weekend), obviously the Flickr PID makes these unique and backwards traceable/recoverable; and all are PD anyway.
Update, I just saw one happening "live". File:Traité d'hygiène (1906) (14591728358).jpg was a 503 failure (HTTP Error 503: Service Unavailable) when the API attempted upload, this was re-tried and "succeeded" on a second attempt but rendered a blank text page. The next upload worked fine. When I get a re-uploader sorted, I may get it to run through the bucket category of 300,000 images to check for more blanks that might have been missed (or pop a list using SQL on the wiki database, which would be a lot more efficient...). --Fæ (talk) 06:02, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Done I'll consider digging out a SQL routine to check the rest, but considering how few past errors have been reported, this looks like it might be a one-off unavoidable failure. --Fæ (talk) 12:31, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
The following table was created by SQL that pulls images from the IA bucket category that were not uploaded on 20150925 but were uploaded in 2015 AND have a comment on the image that was blank (indicating that there was no text page associated with it at that point).
The above table missed the obvious, that the IA bucket category would not be on a blank page in the first place (so only those edited later would show up). Trying again:
The IA Flickrstream is based on auto-dectecting images, probably based on edge detection and little else. Consequently there are going to be some naff ones coming up. End papers can be interesting, such as the marbled ones, however as we already have examples of this type I see no harm in speedying it. --Fæ (talk) 19:29, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
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Is there a bot to do multiple Flickr uploads either from a specific Flickr album or from a Flickr search, or can your bot do that for me? It is a pain doing them one at a time and I just put up a small number in this album but it's sufficient to make it rather time consuming. I'm watching here, so no need to ping or talkback. Thanks in advance. Ww2censor (talk) 10:47, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I've used that tool for single uploads but never for multiples. It does not appear to import` the descriptions from Flickr but I'll give it a go. Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 17:03, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
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This is missing some information, You are a well known contributor so thought I'd ask before templating a regular for no source. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:01, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It's as per #Post hoc → T113878 above. This one now fixed, it was missed in the last pass through as it was rotated before I could get to it, so skipped as non-identical to the one on Flickr. Anyway, there are bound to be more blanks being uploaded. It's a pity that the WMF don't have spare staff to repair these uploads as well as for fixing the temporary operational problem that is causing the drop-outs (which is still awaiting a fix, as far as I can tell). --Fæ (talk) 22:14, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
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@Hedwig in Washington: If these were deletions of blank pages, you seem to have used an odd notice (making it appear I need to take some action) and they could be speedied without one as far as I'm aware.
I am sorry Fæ. I used the VFC and pressed the wrong button (delete with notification). Usually I am more careful with your blank pages, seems there's always room for improvement. You shouldn't get any notification about blank pages in the future. --Hedwig in Washington(mail?)23:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
You are right that such categorization is over but the reason of it is, in my opinion, incorrect arrangement of the categories. It's wrong that category about expedition is a child of category about its member. I would suggest to arrange them in this way. --Kaidor (talk) 15:12, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
I'd change "drawings of <artist>" to "drawings by <artist>", but that the only wording that jumps out at me. --Fæ (talk) 15:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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Harpooned whale from American angler, 1895. Historic plates like this, as part of my batch uploads, will no longer appear in Category:Whales.
Hi. Please stop adding whaling logbook pages to the whales category. Also, please remove all the whaling logbook pages you added to the whales category. That page is now more than ever just a wastebin. Thank you. PhysalusAntiquorum (talk) 19:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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Thanks for your earlier effort in relocating all the Seed catalog images you had placed in Cat Seeds instead of Cat Seed catalogs. It took me three weeks to clear up everything and reorganize. I just found your uploads of images in Category:Books by year and they are full of single images which are not Books. each set should be in a Category: (book title) then in each year. This is too much to do by hand?? WayneRay (talk) 19:36, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
If they are BHL related, then a book title category has been added. The majority are from the Internet Archive though, and if you use the link on the image page like (find matches), this shows you all current images on Commons with the same book identity. It's then easy to use cat-a-lot to add a book title category to all these. If you create a specific category that is a sub-set of the book title used in the filename, then all the images in it will eventually get tidied up by a housekeeping task, see #Better_categories. This makes a lot of the back-breaking recategorizations unnecessary if you would rather just bang out a hundred new book categories without doing all the tidying up to remove year categories etc.
As the given book titles can be terrible rambling compound names, I have not attempted to let any automated task create the categories. --Fæ (talk) 23:14, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, that is what looks to have happened. There are links to sub cats but they in turn are not linked to Book by Year etc. I had this on the seed catalog site and just hand reconnected the main Cat. There must be a better way because images of book pages are not books etc. If, as you say, there is a housekeeping Bot around I will come back to them later, I have other things to edit. Thanks again. WayneRay (talk) 14:28, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Fae,
You are more familiar with this subject than I am. Could you please check if this file is really okay? The inadequate source makes it impossible to check for me if the licensing tagg is used correctly. Natuur12 (talk) 23:37, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
The photograph does not seem to be available online from any obvious sources. It is probably fair to claim the photographer is unknown, I have swapped to PD-UK-unknown as the claim that this would have been Crown Copyright is currently unverifiable. --Fæ (talk) 00:16, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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@Magog the Ogre:
I'm separating these two, there's something more odd happening than before. I'll add an analysis section below. The key problem for me, is that in these circumstances, though I can individually fix them, I can't autodetect them as a daily bit of housekeeping, which means wasting more volunteer time all round.
By untraceable, I mean that a SQL report of my uploads with empty text pages does not seem to find these. Database lag would not be relevant as the first here was uploaded a day before being marked. Both the example files were uploaded on 2nd October and neither were renamed.
Here's my SQL report for October so far, finding Flickr PIDs for image uploads created with no description:
@Túrelio: @Steinsplitter: If images are rotated before I get around to repairing "empty" image text pages due to WMF server drop-outs, then my (hopefully temporary) bit of housekeeping to detect these and re-post the text will not find the image, as it has been overwritten. I could start creating more sophisticated SQL, but only a few files would be affected, and I am really hoping to avoid investing larger and larger amounts of volunteer time to fix something that WMF Ops ought to look into. I'd appreciate it if you could instead help by lobbying to get Phabricator:T113878 prioritized for investigation.
In the meantime, it would be great if you could hold off from rotating files if they have blank text pages. It would be better to flag them as having no licence, or waiting for the relevant bot to categorize it. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 07:08, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
I stopped the rotatebot yesterday. But toolslabs does not synch my crontab. Shshsh. (fixed with moving the script to a other location) --Steinsplitter (talk) 07:18, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
If you can put up with it, it's probably better to just leave "empties" for a day first, notifying me about them does not actually help. If I am about then I'll try to fix all empties as a list from SQL within the first day of upload (obviously I need to sleep, and if this problem never gets fixed by WMF Ops then we (I) need to consider some rather daft extra fixes to compensate for WMF server failures rather than keeping on doing this "by hand"). Keep in mind, this problem did not exist until 25th September, before that I had uploaded 300,000 files of this type with no "empties" occurring and I had made no changes to my use of the Commons API... --Fæ (talk) 07:25, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
@Túrelio: @Steinsplitter: Forget the above. I have spent some time creating an alternative query that will pick up overwritten images, so it should cater for pre-fixed rotations. It's slower, several minutes rather than seconds, but not terrible if I'm only going to run it once or twice a day. Note that if I auto-fix "empties", this will mean any categorization or other improvements will be lost... so don't invest too much time categorizing today's WMF server failures!
As an example, here's my first list, which I'm about to fix:
Excellent, it looks like a WMF server drop-out just after I ran the above SQL. Please go ahead and use the rotatebot, it is a good test of my new query. --Fæ (talk) 13:23, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
That's all I could find in category media w/o source since 09.27. I used Article 1 of the How-to-Handle-Computer-Problems-Handbook: I blamed the software. Best, --Hedwig in Washington(mail?)04:19, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Nice images, worth having. They were being missed in my bit of search magic, probably as the file text pages were above the 400 byte level, or were rotated before the earlier less smart query could spot them, and are now outside of my date range for searches. It would actually be better if folks just pinged me with a list of any 'empty' Internet Archive sourced images rather than adding information by hand, as I have a simple script to rebuild them after WMF ops failures.
(Fae gives waives a wand and invokes "repairo" quietly so as not to wake up Weasley, and makes a note to ask a friendly daemon to take a deeper look ... daemon comes back to say that there don't seem to be any others in the last 20 days, Hedwig got them all)
Please consider lobbying on Phabricator:T113878 or chatting on IRC with the right ops people to get this a better priority. It does not seem to be going away.
The above table is a 'live' update showing that the problem did not exist until 25 September (my upload process for IA is unchanged) and has been creating failures for the last 10 days. --Fæ (talk) 04:48, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
If you spot any that are more than a few days old, drop a note again. At the moment I'm only handling Internet Archive sourced images, the problem may creep up elsewhere. --Fæ (talk) 11:02, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Poking the organ grinder
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Sample image, published in 1925, marked at IA as CC-BY-NC-SA. However {{PD-South-Africa}} may be appropriate, there being 50 years since the death of the author.
Analysis
This DR raised an issue with the Internet Archives uploads of how IA's field "Usage" may include a copyright restriction where it exists. IA's fields are highly flexible with no firm rules about how they should be applied. There is a secondary issue that if a copyright restriction like CC-BY-SA-NC exists on IA, this may still be 'copyfraud' as it may be the default licence that an institution applies without investing in a more detailed review of copyright.
Actions to take: Working
Create a housekeeping task to go through past uploads from IA and categorize files which need a manual copyright check.
Checking the metadata for the example case, there is no 'usage' field. The IA catalogue page seems to derive this from 'licenseurl'.
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Hello Fæ, ten of the eleven volumes are processed with the actuell taxonomy by me now. Please could you upload the missing 48 illustrations of the volume II (1883) [40]? (or did I they not found?) Thanks for your help and greetings. Orchi (talk) 19:48, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
@Orchi: See search. I'm uploading direct from BHL, so the numbering system is different (BHL+<pageid>). Plates 9 & 10 are on the same page. This was a first run using a new way of going about it, so I'm unsure if there are complications arising from the way the metadata is being used, and there was something going wrong causing an odd set/array problem I still don't understand. Anyway, let me know if any of the image pages look wrong.
This was a one-off, I've yet to turn it into something generic. However starting from an item number, I can go "up the tree" to the book and then back down again to find all items and pages. This may or may not prove useful...
I am finding non-identical duplicates. Previously I uploaded File:R. Warner & B.S. Williams - The Orchid Album - volume 01 - plate 002 (1882).jpg from Flickr (which you renamed), and now I have uploaded File:Orchid album (PL 2) BHL35713781.jpg. These are scans of the same object, and the scans are actually identical apart from resolution. It appears that the Flickr versions are at a lower resolution that what can be uploaded direct from BHL. Not sure where we go from here, though I suspect the smaller images should be marked with {{duplicate}} as they have little intrinsic value (unlike scans of different prints of the same book).
Oops, I was working on 110444 rather than 110446. I'll let this run finish and then look at the right item. Now I know about the potential resolution improvement, I may do this as a later special overwriting project. Use this search for item 110446.
When you upload book illustrations from one book...
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When you upload book illustrations from one book, instead of flooding whole categories such as Category:Zoology, why not put them in a newly created category with the book title as the category name? And place that category into Category:Zoology books, and into the category for the year that the book was published? Category:Zoology now contains some 6000+ images, mainly because of your uploads. - Takeaway (talk) 18:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
See User_talk:Fæ/2015#Better_categories. I'll take a deeper look, though I can see you are working on trimming it down. I presume you are taking advantage of the "find matches" links, which are an easy way to find a set to create a book category for, then use cat-a-lot to move them. --Fæ (talk) 07:48, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I was really hoping that you could get the upload to directly upload into a specific category. For books, it would be good to have something like Category:Book title (year, author) as their category name. As things stand now, your uploads permanently flood categories, and even when they eventually are cleared from broad categories, the constant flooding prevents people from seeing those uploads from other people which really do need manual recategorisation. Takeaway (talk) 12:24, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I have done this for BHL uploads, as their website (which I pull details from for the Flickr image) has reasonable book title fields. Unfortunately for the Internet Archive more general uploads, the book title is far less reliable and may have bylines and descriptive text tacked on to the actual book title as well as there being a large number of unpredictable errors due to poor non-English parsing. I could add a red-link to a long autogenerated book title, but this would be far more likely to cause problems and complaints than the current system of providing a search link on the image page for all images with the same parent item (mainly books). --Fæ (talk) 17:01, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Seeing how difficult it is now to see other uploads due to the massive category-flooding as a result of your present method, perhaps it would be better to upload these files to a non-topical category, from which the files can be categorised. - Takeaway (talk) 20:06, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
One could also argue that even a bad category name is always better than the massive flooding of categories. An incorrect category name is easily remedied, whereas clearing out a flooded category entails much more work. - Takeaway (talk) 20:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
Category:Zoology was just an example of the extreme category-flooding caused by your uploads of book images. As for the "keep in mind", you yourself have only added {{categorise}} yesterday so when I wrote the above, the "keep in mind" didn't apply and the category contained around 6800 images. I have also moved hundreds of your uploads into correct categories from Category:Animals, Category:Civilization, and Category:Ursidae amongst others. Most of these uploads could have easily been uploaded straight into specific categories instead of spreading them out over a bunch of broad categories. - Takeaway (talk) 16:49, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
At the moment, I upload images and check for categories based on the Flickr tags. There have been over 500,000 historical book plate illustrations batch uploaded from the Internet Archive and the BHL flickrstreams. It is impossible for these worthwhile and valuable images to be put on Commons over a period of weeks rather than years, without heavily populating some categories. For a time a volunteer could probably manually check 200 images a day, they would "burn out", or walk away, after, say, 5,000 images. This means we choose to burn out 100 volunteers, or perhaps one volunteer takes 7 years to go through them (though in the meantime one can expect many millions of other images to be uploaded). Basically, if we want these educationally useful collections on Commons rather than banning batch uploads altogether, we have a choice of either uploading millions of images in a single bucket category and hoping that loads of volunteers turn up to sort them out (this did not work for Geograph images where there are still a million images awaiting categorization after 3 years), or we keep on trying and improving automated categorization, keeping a balance to ensure conservative useful categorization rather than lots of pointless categories—like "photograph" or "person".
Over the years I have been doing this, I have had a lot of feedback and responded with many types of housekeeping and upload improvements. Right now I use a pre-upload verification process that filters by size, uniquely filters by "blankness", filters by pre-deletion or existence using the SHA1, filters by unique ID matches, checks category matches to tag and filters those by "categorise" or "diffuse" templates (which I suggest you add to all categories that you feel experience flooding), plus heaps of technical work-arounds to deal with internet connection drop-outs, brown-outs, power outages, and WMF server problems.
If you would like to make a suggestion of how to improve this in a practical way so we are less reliant on post-upload housekeeping, I would be happy to consider it, but I can only do the possible, and I already give more of my unpaid volunteer time than I should, as my husband can testify. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 17:13, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
It apparently is possible to batch upload images directly to a category that is specifically created for the batch upload, based on the book title. You wrote here above that that already happens for BHL uploads but not for uploads from other sources due to your concerns that the book titles might not be wholly correct. As I replied, it might be better to have these batch uploads put into an incorrectly named category (which is easily changed to a correct title) than flood categories in such a way that single image uploads from other users get snowed under. As it stands now, it takes so much work and time to just clear away your batch uploads, that the uploads of other users just never get addressed. - Takeaway (talk) 19:16, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
Belize File Error
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Hi, Faebot has tried to uncrop this image, but it seems to have failed. [41] I have also found that the link on the image to the IA gives an error, perhaps this is why? The book is available after searching the title. Can you have a look - there are a few others in the category that also need uncrop. Thanks & regards. -- Deadstar (msg) 09:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
@Deadstar: I'm not sure if a mass fix is possible for this one. At a guess, I would say that the book has been moved around on the Internet archive site, or there were duplicate scans and one was deleted. There are two matches to the title, one having the ID "wandererinlondon00lucaiala" rather than "wandererinlondon00luca". The reason a mass fix would not work is that the page numbering is also different. I'm afraid this looks like a case of manual fixes unless there are a hundred or more with URLs to fix, in which case it may be reasonable to do this with VFC rather than by hand.
If you want to fix these, then the changes should look like this.
If there are only a handful, then the manual alternative is to navigate to the book here, go to the right page, use single page view, and then zoom in about 5 times (to get the maximum zoom) and download the image by right-clicking on it. It should then be fine to upload and overwrite the file. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 06:36, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Fae, I was going to review this file, I agree with this license : {{PD-author|1=Public Domain Images}} however fI'm not sure to agree with : {{PD-Australia}} as I see no dates of the creation nor of the first publication, can we remove it? --Christian Ferrer (talk) 05:33, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
The PD-Australia tag relates to the notice on the side of the tank rather than to the age of the photo. It may be worth adding a note to that effect in the permissions parameter. --Fæ (talk) 09:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, You moved the above file from a 1864 date to a 1906 date, but the source specifies that 1864 was correct? Can you remember why you moved it? It seems to be the only file with that particular identifier too. Thanks. -- Deadstar (msg) 12:44, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
If you follow the catalogue link, the date is based on the volume number. IA use the starting date of the Journal run as the "date" and these can be misleading as they are not the date of the volume publication which may be much later. --Fæ (talk) 15:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Again, if you review the catalogue page by following the link, the Possible copyright status metadata says it is not in copyright. This might be wrong, however the mistake would have to be made by Boston Public Library, who are normally reliable.
It could be that for the Boston police that {{PD-MAGov}} applies, however I have no experience in discussing the scope of this license. --Fæ (talk) 15:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
There's a bit of Internet Archive housekeeping that sorts these out, though the run takes a few weeks as there are so many files now. I have prioritized these files, so it should sweep through this evening. --Fæ (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, this image appears to have nothing to do with the settlement of Dalmahoy in Ediburgh. I'm loath to remove this cat as it would then leave an uncategorised image. Could you take a look, please? Hope you enjoyed your holiday. Cheers. Rodhullandemu (talk) 15:00, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
@JuTa: I can see you used tools.wmflabs.org/add-information on this empty page. In this case, the change pushed it over 400 bytes, resulting in it being missed in my SQL search. I have nudged the limit for presuming a 'stub' page to 450 bytes.
I'll not be fixing these for the next few days, it may be Tuesday until my next empties run. It's disappointing that there has been no WMF Ops investigation into what is behind these server failures. --Fæ (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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I confess, I love the old seed-catalogs and magazines and such that the flickr upload bot has dropped here, however, when I find a good one, I go to archive.org and pick up a jp2 because jpeg is not the worst format for such files, but close to it. BMP or GIF would be much worse. PNG would be great and is the commons recommended format (with the exception of jpeg for photographs and svg for diagrams and other not painted or previously printed items).
Of course, at Flickr, jpeg would be best for upload there as there is an upload limit for non-professional accounts and maybe other reasons also.
It was recommended to me to ask you personally if you might consider uploading from archive.org those items which are not photographs and can be found there. It would be a pain, I suspect, because it would require a jp2 to png conversion which I have found to be somewhat cpu extensive -- but the uploads would be so useful!
I have a direct uploader for books from the BHL archives, so I can uploads books not released on their Flickr account. I have the basics of an uploader for archive.org, but it remains a background project unless/until there is a specific large batch upload to work on with obvious value. We have to keep in mind that much of the archive.org content can introduce copyright headaches for Commons, for example audio recordings tend to be far more problematic than most contributors appreciate. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 10:14, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your prompt reply, especially after your week off! And congratulations on finding the lolcat :)
I get the jp2 because that is what they have. jp2 or tiff to PNG is what I was talking about. Big fat color blotches instead of crisp artifacty rectangles. They really do *feel* different to work with -- certainly it is mental. -- RaboKarbakian (talk) 00:34, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, Fæ, I was wondering if you would be so kind as to give me a helping hand if need be. I have a lot of questions on how to categorize images extracted from scanned pages. For example, the last category I created, is that correctly done? Also, the text in the images, e.g. File:William De Morgan and his wife (1922) (14763167955).jpg, Text Appearing Before Image and Text Appearing After Image, should the text be adapted/corrected made readable if possible at all? The Note About Images states Please note that these images are extracted from scanned page images that may have been digitally enhanced for readability.... Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 05:02, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
The category looks fine. There is a weird lag on Commons right now, meaning that categorized images are taking a ridiculously long time to appear as thumbnails in the category; see the Village Pump discussion. The OCR text should be edited if it looks bad. The Internet Archive process works well on clear standard printed texts, but fails badly on old and non-standard pages. I think of the OCR text as a help when categorizing, but it is not essential for the image. --Fæ (talk) 09:36, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
@Stefan4: I have a tool to regenerate the IA upload texts based on a SQL report, but don't have one for BHL files (yet). See the Phabricator ticket for background, your comments on it would be helpful.
If this type of categorization is important to you, I can make a list of the dozens and dozens of categories which are populated like American Medicinal Plants was. If it is only important to you because it was my uploads, what do we do next? -- RaboKarbakian (talk) 20:38, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I think the problem was like this:
Scan -- species cat
-- book cat -- species cat
In these circumstances, we normally choose whether to keep the species cat on all images at the scan level, or only have it at the book cat level. There may be circumstances where it is appropriate to keep the same category at parent and child levels, but these are rare and I don't think they are relevant to book plate scans. Did you have a specific idea of what to change about how IA or BHL categorization and housekeeping is working now? Thanks --Fæ (talk) 14:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I do not know what you mean by "housekeeping" at IA or BHL.
Your edits to the categories I put on my uploads feel like a personal attack. While I am certain that this feeling I have is wrong, can you provide evidence that it is not?
We seem to have a communication problem. I do not think I understood the point you were making, and probably still fail to get it. Perhaps there's an admin you trust that you can contact, and might aide with an explanation or rephrasing of the issue? I believe the trimming of categories in the way I described above, fits the intent of the Modularity principle in the category policy.
The diff you supplied in the first paragraph in this thread, was part of the BHL (Biodiversity Heritage Library) book plate uploads. I have uploaded over 90,000 files, and there have been a large number of semi-automated category fixes. This change was part of those, so is not personal, in fact I cannot keep track of all the contributors in this project now, see Commons:Biodiversity Heritage Library/Reports/volunteers. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 22:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I originally came here because of desiring one good png instead of the 2 to 4 jpgs that you upload. The reason I thought that the request was worthy of bringing to your attention is clearly detailed here: Help:JPEG#JPEG_versus_other_formats.
I just went through your contributions for evidence that your edits to my categories were not personal. And while I did not see evidence of any enthusiasm for the new categorization scheme you mentioned, I did see that at least one of the images was put back into the book category. I appreciate that. I also saw the uploads that are directly from BHL, and that is nice except for the crappy format. One of them, either BHL or Botanicus is storing their texts on IA -- but you probably knew that.
The list of people in the BHL volunteers is full of some extremely excellent people. I hope that they are happy and not simply fighting a loosing categorization war trying to keep their little area of the commons "picked up" (as the term "housekeeping" makes one think).
I would be willing to help for uploads in which three conditions were satisfied:
Uploads do not have a Flickr id
Scans are PNGs
Uploader helps with housekeeping -- like upload a book, then at least wait if not actively help, until the book has been "installed" here before uploading the next book.
Sure, I should summarize the latest collections upload process on a project page. The BHL asked about details as we may write up a post for their blog. After a few more direct uploads from the BHL archive, I will probably create a script to match the lower resolution versions aganist the higher BHL version. At that point it will be a question of 'upgrading', probably by applying the {{duplicate}} template so that their Flickr versions can disappear.
As far as I am aware, the BHL archives only make available the high resolution JPEG on their viewing website, however it looks possible (I have yet to work this bit out myself) to access the JPEG2000 versions but as these are themselves already compressed at 85% - or 80% for large books - I find it unlikely that we will see any difference (refer to http://biodivlib.wikispaces.com/Data+Exports). If you wish to pursue the case for creating PNG files from the JPEG2000, I suggest you experiment with a sample and upload them to Commons. If it is worthwhile, it may be possible to create them as a usable addition so long as we can match page numbers. A similar process happened with large TIFFs for the HABS uploads as large TIFFs at that time could not be used to generate thumbnails on Commons. --Fæ (talk) 08:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I have seen the thumbnail drawing problem, but not recently. As these books from the 17 and 1800s are fairly safe stomping grounds for license and permissions, I usually look at AI to see what they have and if they have a better version.
My uploads are showing plenty of human errors -- the file names are similar but not a matched set, the descriptions are evolving as I discover better license templates, etc. I am making what I hope are usable djvu files at the same time I am converting from jp2 to png. I saw somewhere that jp2 djvu files could be read here but are not usable at wiki source. My djvu files are from ppm and pbm and I don't know if they will be useful.
I would very much like to add to my script the uploading of the whole book set: the pngs, the djvu, a pdf (which I still have to determine and then script the making of). I would then follow my own rules and not proceed until the book was in good shape, just short of species categorizing and gallerying.
And, I guess that I will start downloading the tar'd files -- but my point was to have high quality pngs available here. But I can be more mindful of what I start with.
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Hi, you recently created that license template. But it seems to be a "real" license template. This CatScan (takes a while) brings a lot of images using it up as having lno license. I allready trie to fix that - see here, but it seems that doesn't help. I expect that they appear in Category:New uploads without a license or similar soon. So it would be good if you (or somebody else) could find a solution. Thx. --JuTa17:35, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
I raised it at Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#BHL-no_known_restrictions, but nobody has jumped in yet. Do you think it worth flagging up at AN? It is very similar to templates used for other institutions, but I have never created one myself.
@Magog the Ogre: I do not have a BHL "text redo-er" to compensate for WMF server outages. I can cobble one together but it may take me another day or so. As above, keep in mind that the filenames include BHL+<PageID> and from this you can surf directly to the source image on the biodiversity website.
... I've created a script, but I'm stuck on some weird bug. Taking a rest from it, that's often the best way to solve a bug.
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Dear Fæ, you approved this file for commons because you state you reviewed the Flickr license. I think at least some bells should have started ringing with you when you saw a drawing extracted from a very recent article in a scientific journal. In such a case, it seems all too easy to just rely on the license as mentioned on Flickr. As was easily found out by me, this page tells us that the content of the journal is copyrighted, so these images cannot be copied to commons with a free license. I could just have proposed the speedy deletion of this one file because of a violation of copyright, but I guess there is a certain risk that you approved more images based on a false statement on Flickr about the free license. I therefore ask you to propose the speedy deletion yourself, and to check other licenses you reviewed without checking the original sources. Wikiklaas (talk) 12:54, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
The Internet Archive, agreed with several libraries to digitalize their collection, in contrast the libraries have to release it to a free license. As it is in the nature of digitalizing that u can't change the printed license, it is anyway free by agreement.--Sanandros (talk) 16:08, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
@Sanandros, you can't just ignore the copyright of a journal, even if there is an agreement on digitizing collections. A library cannot release anything under a free license as long as they are not the copyright owners. In this case the copyright is owned by the journal, not by any library. This has nothing to do with the nature of digitizing media, or making things available digitally: making a copy available is something totally different from giving up copyright or releasing it under a free license. In this case, releasing it in such a way by anyone other than the lawful owner of the copyright, would constitute a serious infringement on the rights of the lawful owner. It is therefore a criminal act.
Ignoring the copyright the way you do it, can eventually lead to a situation where journals will no longer be willing to make anything available because in practice their rights are not respected, and even publishing something that's copyrighted, would then in practice turn out to be the same as donating it to the public domain. If I were the director of a journal, having to answer for the income and expenses, I would seriously consider not to release anything other than to people who paid for it in advance. In fact, by acting like you do, you are a threat to the free distribution of knowledge. Wikiklaas (talk) 16:54, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
A source to verify the licence that does not rely on Commons. The only external link shows All Rights Reserved. --Fæ (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Commons is the first place this was ever uploaded. The link was to introduce the author, not say where the piece came from. It was created for the Wikimedia Foundation and one of the requirements was release on the CC license. The information on the file page is complete and correct. heather walls (talk) 00:48, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
The image page does not say this, neither is there a release from the artist anywhere that can be verified. Could you fix it, as the uploader? If this is a WMF upload can you please also use your WMF account rather than your personal one? Thanks. --Fæ (talk) 06:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the fix. You may be aware I upload a lot of older material, so this poster came to my attention as it looked like a WWI poster. In the process of double-checking if it was a derived work of other PD material, I had doubts about the basic release from the creator. As far as I can tell, it was 'inspired' by the similar searchlight/lighthouse theme of war-time posters, but is not a direct derivative. --Fæ (talk) 08:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Use of the commonscat template can be controversial. In this case if the images are not transferred to Commons yet, I suggest you use the <gallery> tag and redisplay the images available in the article. For artists this helps to give an impression of the range of their work, even if it has to remain on a selective basis. The transfer tools are quite easy to apply, I suggest you encourage Sfan00 IMG to take a look at doing the transfer rather than waiting. At the current time I do not have any special tools to do it, and I am not particularly happy picking up tasks on the English Wikipedia considering I was driven away by an email threat to block me earlier this year. --Fæ (talk) 07:15, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
I've added you to my BHL duplicates checking ignore list... as I'm presuming it was only the license thing you were really interested in rather than managing categories (which is close to bot stuff). Let me know if something unexpected happens. --Fæ (talk) 14:41, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
I suggest using {{Category redirect}} and letting RussBot do the re-categorizations for it (should happen within a few hours). The current naming is entirely based on how BHL have the title set on their Catalogue; which may include mistakes. Personally, I would rather stick to the naming conventions of the individual publisher of the original work, which sometimes means odd spellings and format. The filenames I apply use titles in this way. As far as I know, there are no hard guidelines on this, and if you feel that a category rename would make the media easier to find and manage, give it a go. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
FYI, the title page of the work in question uses all caps for most of the title, but the part that is in mixed case, "Western United States", doesn't match the capitalization used by the Biodiversity Heritage Library website. Thus, I am inclined to assume normal title case for the rest of the title (as opposed to the sentence case used by BHL). I'll consider renaming the categories, but if you want to beat me to it… - dcljr (talk) 02:42, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
The BHL metadata appears the same as the catalogue pages they generate. So there is a choice of:
"FullTitle":"Handbook of birds of the western United States, including the great plains, great basin, Pacific slope, and lower Rio Grande Valley, by Florence Merriam Bailey; with thirty-three full-page plates by Louis Agassiz Fuertes, and over six hundred cuts in the text."
"ShortTitle":"Handbook of birds of the western United States,"
"SortTitle":"Handbook of birds of the western United States, including th"
Of these, ShortTitle is the least worst default option.
When uploading 50,000 / 100,000 images from thousands of books, there has to be automation. The volume of the project means that we have to rely on BHL's (and their associates') choices, and I'm sure that automated title-case formatting would be a disaster. --Fæ (talk) 06:33, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Note that these files didn't have any file information page at all, so I had to create one before tagging the files. If I remember correctly from previous cases, the files affected by phabricator:T113878 typically have a file information page but without any text on it. Is this a different bug? --Stefan2 (talk) 12:59, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
Yes, different and worse. If you look at the file history you can see that an image page was received by the WMF server but not written. Traveling, so will take a look this evening or tomorrow. Fæ (talk) 13:05, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
There was a few of these, but there seems to be no long term pattern. This may happen when there are repeated internet drop-outs causing a "write bounce" in my program. Brown-out behaviours are hard to predict and cater for, and unless there is a significant pattern are probably not worth solving for the relatively small numbers occurring. Ping me again if there is a rush of them. --Fæ (talk) 08:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Numerical code and renaming
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Please do keep the number at the end. The 11 digits are the unique Flickr PhotoID. Using this it is possible to find the source image even if the image page is deleted. There is no problem in changing the rest of the filename, though our convention is to go from specific to general, ie Alatina grandis at the start. --Fæ (talk) 09:59, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
This is down to the Internet Archive defaulting to the first year of a journal/magazine run, rather than holding separate catalogue entries for each volume. There is a housekeeping task that will add the volume number from the metadata, but the correct date (1865) is not in the metadata, I think. A way of fixing these is to wait until the volume number is added and then make the date corrections for all uploads from that volume. I have prioritized 'Harper' matches in the IA collection for housekeeping, so these should be added today...
Example search for Vol. 24, just swap for Vol. 9 when it becomes available.
(tpw note) The IA housekeeping task is *slow* and the home category is *large*. Any housekeeping task taking weeks is likely to get interrupted at some point by connection outages, machine resets etc. My stuff is robust, but that is not the only concern. I may revisit how exactly this works though as the WMF have been repeatedly failing to provide up to date data dumps, I can't speed the process up that way in a reliable fashion. Running housekeeping on Labs is possible, but I have too many RL commitments right now to start playing about with it. --Fæ (talk) 08:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
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Fae, your Bot is doing it again! All the recent images were uploaded and linked to 1549 Books (or similar date) which they are not. The Category:Plantarum effigies is a 1549 book. Your Bot put all the images in a Category but (again) did not connect it to a parent Cat such as Botany books, or Botanical illustrations etc. Dozens and dozens of your Bot's categories have been sitting there with no connection. Now I have to remove 1549 books from all your 199 images and place it in the main Cat. by hand. I, as I mentioned last month, have spent weeks connecting the Categories to a parent category and putting lost images into their own Categories in such places as Category:Botany books & Category:Seed catalogs & Category:Horticulture books etc etc. Unfortunately you get no credit for this new Category, I do, through your Bot's continued mistakes. Can you fix this problem? It takes forever to redo your uploads by your Bot. Thanks for your help. WayneRay (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
As per the last time, there is a housekeeping task for this, so long as there is a category for the book itself. I saw you moving files, there is no need unless you want to.
If there are any other categories with hundreds of files that need categories moved to the parent category, please do drop me a note and I can prioritize it. Real life events are pressing me for time right now, but I would still expect to find a window to look at these issues.
Thanks but I enjoy the tedious jobs like sorting and refiling. Cat-a-Lot helps as i am becomming more familiar with it.WayneRay (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
I'll have a think about your single-image idea, I'm not sure it's a good thing. For example even a book with just a fold-out map to upload might end up with the map as a large image and the full text as a djvu file later on. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 22:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, it will help as books by year seem to be crowded right now and I am attemp0ting to sub Cat them when I can. Just leave off Books by year on the single images for now if your Bot can do that. WayneRay (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Rariora musei Besleriani
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Hi Fae. This very useful list doesn't work since the 20th of october. No update. Is there some problem? Thanks for your intervention and help. Best regards, --DenghiùComm (talk) 08:50, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
This was because WMF Development decided to remove user_daily_contribs from the wiki database, presumably because nobody they know on their social network uses it. This has broken the report. I may look at getting it working again in a few weeks, but I really don't like spending my time fixing things that WMF changes break, when they make so little effort to identify impact their changes will have, nor contact bot writers whos work will be broken. --Fæ (talk) 09:22, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hi User:Fæ. You may have already seen the discussion i have been having with User:Jheald about the categories used in the above collection. Many of the categories are redundant or non-existent. I have been trying to remove these categories manually but with over 3k images it's something of a chore. Is this clean up something that could be easily automated? Thanks Jason.nlw (talk) 09:03, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, please see the notice at the top of this page with regard to UK chapter projects. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 09:24, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
@Ies: Could you give an example? I'm not sure if you mean blanks, digitally corrupted files or text errors. It makes a difference on how I search them out. (I'll be AFK for almost all of today) Thanks --Fæ (talk) 06:28, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
I mean several digitally corrupted files you uploaded about one to three minutes before I wrote the message. -- Ies (talk) 06:34, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
While being here for around half an hour, I've run a bit of SQL to check for empty uploads over the last 4 days, these were at zero. As there's no way of detecting digitally corrupt files, and when this happens it seems to be down to forms of mid-upload "brown out" either at the source end (presumably the biodiversitylibrary) or at the WMF end for rare periods (I mean very rare); I have no method of avoiding these nor of housekeeping them later.
I'm pretty much out of volunteer time now apart from briefly checking odd things on a mobile phone. If someone can find these and template them, or list them, it would be helpful. Alternatively if they are limited to a handful and are straight-forward digital corruptions created on transfer, then anyone can download from BHL to upload a good version so they are fixed in one step... to convert a PageID to an image URL use a link like http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/35713802, you can then right-click and download the page. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 06:52, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
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Warning. Knowing how things work inside, may change the way you see them from the outside.
Hey champ, it's you know who! I've been talking to a contact with the Australian Attorney-General, who has contacted Australian Dept of Defence on behalf of commonsaviation, and I have been told that the DoD will be changing their licencing regime to CC in the very near future. When this change takes place one will see their copyright statement change inline with CC licence, and this will open up their image database for upload....some 250,000 photos. Will you be available when this change is made to do some magic? 101.186.30.16708:03, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
I should think so, thanks for highlighting it as I've been keeping an eye open for the next large batch project after the Biodiversitylibrary. 250,000 would take about 2 months to upload without using special tools.
It looks like they might have used exactly the same web software as the UK MoD have in place, so I could recycle my code from those uploads.
Real life commitments are dominating my time right now, but in a few weeks I should have more availability for a diversion and could probably get it running the same day as they make changes. --Fæ (talk) 09:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
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File:Snow, Karin Beate Nosterud.jpg has with Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Denmark as licence (as when uploaded by you 4 mars 2013), but the source states CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. Has the licence changed at the source or is it possible that you made a mistake? I cannot see any licence confirmation, should there be one? --LPfi (talk) 14:11, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Fæ, could you please repair the mentioned image? I guess it is connected with the strange characters after Text Appearing Before Image:. Thanks, --Arnd (talk) 07:13, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Done If you see more, just trim the bad looking text. The use of "|" was later filtered out by me, but appears in some earlier uploads. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 09:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
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@Mattbuck: This DR did not seem to work. If you are filtering based on flickrstream link, you will be getting matches to obviously PD material which actually has other verifiably good links. I'm too committed to RL work to investigate further right now. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 09:26, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
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90% of the scanned photos in this Category were incomplete and up for Speedy Delete. Please re scan the series and place in this Category. Thanks WayneRay (talk) 19:16, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I am up to my elbows in real life stuff (for example a radiator fell off the wall today...) so though I can think of potential solutions, I haven't the time to try out methods, including possible ways of hunting them down without relying on volunteers noticing haphazardly. If these are not deleted straight away, I suggest adding them to a "needs reuploading" category. I can later add a housekeeping task to deal with these and any similarly identified bad uploads.
If this is due to WMF server glitches, it would be nice if the WMF could find a way of spotting damaged files. Thanks
Note to self... SHA comparison can do this, but should be limited to likely affected by time or maybe upload subject and hence common category. It requires N + number detected so bandwidth and processing heavy. Would be 2N but Commons API gives it directly... Investigate BHL API2 for SHA. Fæ (talk) 10:33, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
@Adam Cuerden: You can use {{Duplicate}} to do this. Some duplicates of archive images have value as they might be different prints or scans of the same original photograph, presumably there's no case like that here. CommonsDelinker applies automatically for deleted files, and as I have no admin rights I cannot do the housekeeping here. Thanks --Fæ (talk) 09:48, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
@Alan: Thanks. I understand the deletion and agree with it. I think this is just a case of talking it out with the user and maybe pointing out some user page good examples they can follow. User pages are not normally general CVs, however some contributors do have a lot of detailed personal info, so it's genuinely not obvious for new users. --Fæ (talk) 10:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
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It appears that 28 files that you uploaded (differing only in the last number) have the publisher as "Baltimore, John Hopkins Press" rather than "Baltimore, Johns Hopkins Press". I'm not sure if there is any way for you to automate fixing it or not. If not, I'll correct them by hand.Naraht (talk) 22:08, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
No problem with you doing what you think best. As above, I'll look into an image detect and repair script, if the size of the problem seems worth it on analysis. However anything like this may take several weeks due to real life being rather demanding right now (in fact, it's darn exhausting). --Fæ (talk) 20:14, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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Adding the volume field to Internet Archive images from bound serials
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Hello, Fæ! Still concerning the clump of files heaped onto Category:The Street Railway Review (Vol. 1, 1891) which belong mostly in its sibling cats, I have been awaiting your bot’s slow work of adding to their "information" template the field "volume" (as done, for instance, for this file). I’ve been monitoring a few random examples still categorized as Vol.I (this one is actually vol.XIII, this one is vol.2, etc.) and the addition of that additional field hasn’t happen yet. Do I need to do anything to remind the bot of this? (And, by the way, thanks for all this.) -- Tuválkin✉✇13:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks to the reinstated GalleryDetails gadget (yay!), I just checked painlessly all file contents of Category:The Street Railway Review (Vol. 1, 1891), and noticed that some of them do have the volume field added, but only those which actually belong to Vol.1, and none to other volumes. I’m guessing this is due to their incorrect categorizing as such, and I’ll now move all others (those lacking the volume field) back to the top cat Category:The Street Railway Review, whence your bot will be able to pick them up. Let me know if this is a mistake. -- Tuválkin✉✇13:31, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Okay, sorry about the mess. Forget all of the above, what matters is this: Right now at Category:The Street Railway Review there are 181 file pages lacking the field "volume" in their "information" template. Can your bot work on these, please? That would allow one step of dissimination into the yearly cats, from which manually each file can be categorized by issue (month, mostly) and also by subject.
If your bot cannot do this right now (or at all), it is not a big deal, as there’s still hundreds of images to sort in the yearly cats, and anyway 181 is manageable should it need to be tackled manually in the future.
Running as requested example. It only does 1 every 50sec, but will complete today. Fortunately I had code lying around that will do this sort of thing (I'd forgotten about it), so though I'm short on volunteer time this can still be sorted out as I only needed to kick it rather than write something . --Fæ (talk) 20:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
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Wherefrom is your information that this launching ramp is from the Belloy-sur-Somme site (No 155)?
It is the same ramp as shown here, today exposed at the Imperial War Museum in Duxford. But it is from the La-Chaussée-Tirancourt site (No 157) situated 3200 m southwest from the Belloy-sur-Somme site. See also here.
@Chriusha: Fae imported that image (as he does with many) in an 'automatic' manner... the metadata given (the description) is what was provided by the Imperial War Museum, at the source url. If there is an error, it's not Fae's. Revent (talk) 12:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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I know you used a bot to upload this, but do you have any idea where the 1903 date comes from? It's certainly wrong—the signature on the image clearly shows the date 1907, and this is confirmed by the accompanying text—which would also seem to cast doubt on dates of other dates in related uploads. - Jmabel ! talk08:30, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
If you visit the catalog page on IA, you can see the volume is given as "10th/11th/12th 1903/04-1905/06". The year IA is using is the first year of publication for the journal range (1902), rather than the year of the specific volume in the journal. The housekeeping routine has actually done its job and corrected the year from 1902 to 1903, however this is best we can do with automation in this case as 3 volumes are bundled together in one scan. We might have teased the information out of the back-link reference to IA, but "101112" is just the same 3 volume numbers.
That some contents in the last volume (1905/06) include material from 1907 is probably not a "mistake", though I have not spent time reviewing the detail. For institution reports the final data is often based on the financial year which may conclude in the next numerical year. --Fæ (talk) 08:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
If I'm correcting this by hand, is there any issue with overwriting the existing incorrect data? That is, does that all need to be preserved and I add a note, or do I simply make the correction as if any human uploader had made a mistake? - Jmabel ! talk08:44, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Not sure . I suggest just making the correction and saying something meaningful in the edit comment. VFC might be a good way to find all matching pages to change. My housekeeping should be aware of manual changes in the page history and try not to overwrite them, they are getting to be smarter than me... --Fæ (talk) 08:47, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Images from Nederlands Architectuur Instituut/Het Nieuwe Instituut
Hi Fae,
A wonderful collection, which I would really like to get into the relevant articles and categories. However, I've doubts for quite a few of the images in Category:Photographs by Het Nieuwe Instituut. A lot of them are drawings by recent Dutch architects. For these files the architects would have to have transmitted the management of the Rights to this institute/museum. Given the wide range of architects in the collection I doubt that this has happened. For the images there is the issue that on almost all of them (see search: 632 out of 749 files, with some not having a relevant photographer (the drawings)) the photographer is denoted as unknown. I find it a bit weird that for none of them the author is known, but it is known that the files rights are theirs. It is not impossible in case they are certain that the authors worked at their institution. I've however seen in the past with older collections that own work and collected not own work get mixed and archives just release everything. What do you think is wise in this case? Is it an idea to contact the institution and raise these concerns (If it is than I'll do that)? What is your opinion on nomination/deletion of the drawings (if their authors died post 1944, but that is true for most). Basvb (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
@Basvb: I read this as two separate issues, so breaking them out:
"Unknown" photographers. I would make the presumption that the HNI has good grounds to claim a status of 'unknown' photographer, though there is no harm in asking the institution to confirm how they made the assessment. As there is Freedom of Panorama in the Netherlands, the exterior shots of buildings should not be a copyright issue in terms of the rights of the architect, though potential claims by the photographers (or their estates) is worth checking over.
Models and drawings. For some of these the architect/designer died long enough ago for there to be no copyright issue (e.g. Jan Fredrik Staal); in these cases we could safely add a public domain licence. With the other models such as File:Beukenhof II crematory (8056202124).jpg (2011), I presume that the HNI has been granted permissions for the works. This is just a presumption, and again if you have the time to write to them this would be a good enquiry to make. I suggest trying this before raising a deletion request or taking other action. If the HNI is unclear or fails to reply after a few weeks, then this is a useful input to a future DR.
Thank you for your insights, pretty soon after writing about sending an email I thought why not go ahead so I send them an email asking both questions and praising the nice works which if I'm certain about their status would like to incorporate a bit more into the structures of both the dutch monuments articles/lists and commons categories. Greetings, Basvb (talk) 19:50, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
This page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Jetphotos.net_photos_(credit_bar) contains a lot of pictures with a creditbar. This category contains 700+ photos. Editing them all, one at a time, will cost a lot of time. Because all the photos have the creditbar at the exact same spot with the exact same width, it made me wonder whether the creditbars of these pictures can be removed with a specifically for this purpose designed script. Wereldburger758 (talk) 15:06, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It's useful to have the whole book, though it's a pity that Google add pages and watermarks to the scans. For images uploaded from the Internet Archive or the Biodiversity library, it is possible to upload existing djvu files for the entire book too. I have not done this in my uploads as individual images tend to be more useful for including in other projects, while it's only very rare example books that get transcribed into wikisource or similar. --Fæ (talk) 05:03, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
Hm. Here it is about a book with lots of Depictions. Its well-aranged to have a book in one file, in one place and its easy to display particular pages.
In past batch projects I have added stub text or created basic info by repeating the full title or similar. As leaving it blank means it is auto-categorized and so these can be targeted for review, there are benefits to leaving it during upload and encouraging volunteers to add more meaningful descriptions (for this reason I don't believe it is a good thing to get a bot script to do the same fix post-upload). It may be worth pulling a catscan report to help target volunteer time and size the backlog. --Fæ (talk) 09:47, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Maybe i did not get all but i recommend to leave the description blank at all if required. This leads to a message that motivates the user to add a description and the file is added to Category:Media lacking a description. Empty language templates within the description do not have both of these advantages. --Arnd (talk) 10:31, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Wondering whether you can answer a question I have
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Hi Fæ, I've been looking at your uploaded Biodiversity Heritage Library files on the commons and have a question. I noted that for this file https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:An_elementary_manual_of_New_Zealand_entomology_(Plate_XX)_(6955773831).jpg there is a section dealing with "Flickr tags". This section incorporates some of the taxonomic tagging I've been doing in the BHL flickr stream. Do you know whether these tags are incorporated into Wikicommons if they are added to Flickr subsequent to the uploading of the image into Wikicommons? I'm assuming that they wouldn't be and that if, after the image is uploaded to Wikicommons, it is taxo tagged, those tags wouldn't be incorporated into Wikicommons. Is my understanding correct? I'm just wanting to get a better understanding of the depth of linked data between the two sites. All the best Ambrosia10 (talk) 03:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
@Ambrosia10: Hi. As you suspect there is no automatic sync of Flickrtags. Keep in mind that as "refreshing" these would not change the existing Commons categories, the added value is purely textual on the image page. It would be possible to create a bot that syncs both ways, i.e. we refresh the flickrtags list on Commons and we add tags to flickr based on whatever Commons categories are added. The Flickr API makes this possible, however my experience shows that any bot script would need a lot of testing to cater for link dropout and other internet problems that can give glitches in real life.
I can consider creating such a tool, but for the moment I have a massive backlog for my unpaid volunteer time, including "upgrading" all the BHL images, most of which would be higher priority.
It might be worth bundling this idea along with others into a single "BHL to Wikimedia Commons & Flickr" improvement project proposal; with the aim that any code can be added to an open source library to help with other Flickrstreams + Commons releases. It's not time critical, so might make for a nice small funded project next summer. --Fæ (talk) 09:55, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
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It was both rude and inappropriate... it was also, IMO, more a comment from someone who tends to be unintentionally rude a lot, instead of an actual personal attack. I'm not a fan of Colin, but the single comment, as stated, was not worth sanctions... it would take some history of such things, and ignoring people pointing out that it's not acceptable. I do, personally, have issues with Colin's 'method of discourse', I just don't think this was in the pattern of his general behavior. Revent (talk) 08:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
I think Revent's comments are closest to what I would agree with, and thank Revent for showing some common sense. It was clearly not "a nasty personal attack" as you and Jmabel claim. To interpret it as such requires a mountain of bad faith. Revent is right that I should have known you would fly off the handle and take offence, rather than treat an example at face value. I did not intend to cause offence. And for that misjudgement and causing needless offence, I apologise, and do so sincerely. -- Colin (talk) 09:58, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
@Revent: the request was closed too early, giving just half a day for anyone to notice the thread and give a view or interpret policy and guidelines, for Colin to consider a better public response than the one he gave, or for him seek advice off-wiki. Forcing a shut-down of discussion hastily like this, just means the problem will remain unresolved and is likely to reoccur. Giving a "trout" for using "gay" offensively does not help, it makes the noticeboard feel like a locker-room with mates horsing around, rather than recognizing that this crossed a far more serious line. Colin's "apology" here is nothing like an apology, just a continuation of his offensive behaviour which puts words in my mouth I never used ("nasty personal attack" was never said by me) and then is a platform for accusing me of bad faith and dismissing the problem he created as meflying off the handle. Colin has specifically not accepted that anyone that uses "gay" as a term of offence is turning this project into a hostile environment for all LGBT people.
@Colin: the apology you are giving here is not a meaningful apology. From this example and earlier angry diatribes from you on LGBT and homoerotic subjects, you appear to have a long term problem. It's up to you to find a way of changing your viewpoint or just keeping it quiet rather than bringing it to this project.
Your comments and aggressive responses are on record, you can expect them to be presented if similar problems involving LGBT hostility are caused by you. There are plenty of LGBT contributors on this project that will remain concerned that this was left unresolved. --Fæ (talk) 10:24, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Jmabel called it a "nasty personal attack". Your words were "an ad hominim attack" + "hostile anti-LGBT language", which amounts to the same thing. Can you stop splitting hairs and finding faults where none really exist. I fully agree that Commons should not be a place for "locker-room" language or where some frat-boy attitudes prevail and go unchecked. People who are genuinely intolerant of others, whether they be of a different sex, religion, sexuality, race or nationality, and who express hostility towards others because of that, should be shown the door. Absolutely. I'm disappointed that you bring up earlier conflicts we had on LGBT issues, because all of them reflect extremely badly on you, Fae, and should anyone seek to analyse that history, you might find yourself under sanction for having a "long term problem". I caution you against continuing this dispute, and particularly against playing the "Wikimedia terms of use" card. You might wish to retain that option for when you are genuinely under attack, and nobody will listen to you then if you keep crying wolf. -- Colin (talk) 10:50, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Go away. Your rants manage to be both boring and offensive. You (not me) deliberately injected the abusive use of anti-LGBT language into a discussion that had nothing to do with LGBT issues. It is easy to understand why you did that in response to an openly gay contributor. As a founder of Wikimedia-LGBT+, I will not gloss over the use of homophobic language by others, as well you know. --Fæ (talk) 12:27, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
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@Colin: what I wrote included the possibility, "If you didn't intend this to insult Fæ, you picked your words terribly," which is pretty much what Revent is saying. - Jmabel ! talk19:17, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Comment I am suggesting an interaction ban between Fæ and Colin, maybe for 3 months or longer. I think this is the only solution if these two will not stop. Be civil you two. ★Poké9511:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
@Pokéfan95: I do not recognize your account against past interactions, with relatively few edits and it being created with a-typical contributions across multiple projects just a few weeks ago, I am concerned about you popping up here on a user talk page that would normally be unnoticed by new users. If you would like me to reply to your comment, could you connect your account with the name of whatever past account has interacted with me? Thanks --Fæ (talk) 20:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Hello. No, I am not connected with another past account. If you will see, I am a native Tagalog speaker and en-4, and come from the Philippines. So it is impossible that I have a previous account. If you are still in doubt, I am will personally message you my IP address. If you will see in my IP address, I am at Batangas, Philippines.
I notice your problem between you two because I saw a discussion about a problem with Colin at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. Then I also saw your problem between you two at your previous RFAs (with the recent being 2015). I looked further, and still, it is almost the same. So I thought if an interaction ban can solve this problem. This may be sound rude, but this is my third opinion, if you two don't want to be interaction banned, stop this issue, and apologize each other. You two need to be civil. Did you forget that if someone insults you, you should ignore it instead?
However, I agree with you that the discussion at AN/U is closed too early, maybe that is just half a day. That prevents other users to provide opinions and third opinions. Cheers, ★Poké9510:33, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
--Fæ (talk) 20:04, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
INeverCry 19:57, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Done @Geagea: I have created a gallery at User:Fæ/sandboxL. This can help discussion to reach a consensus on what is best, or the text of the list be used for further processing. --Fæ (talk) 08:32, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
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OK, but not this video, this is too repulsive for me! --Alchemist-hp (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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Comment Thank you very much for the quick repairing of the misuploaded files, even if the errors were the fault of WMF servers drop-outs. Your work is, in my opinion, one of the most important in Commons, and for that you have mine thanks. Tm (talk) 16:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
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. Yes, I will check them. I'm watching your talk-page so in case a botanist chooses you as a target I will take the hit! Thank you soon much! cheers, Amada44 talk to me 18:15, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
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