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Category:Reborn dollsEdit

I am working to improve the article in the Dutch Wikipedia about Reborn dolls. The English version is here. Searching for the category of the images (because many images are not categorized) I found that the category was deleted a few days ago by you. I could not find the arguments except the words "Promotional content". Can you please tell me where I can find more info about the arguments? In my opinion there is no difference between this type of Fashion doll compared to Barbie dolls‎. Wouter (talk) 16:54, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

My apologies - I didn't check fully. I discovered a user who had created a promotional user page selling reborn dolls. I wrongly assumed they were the only contributor to the category page (where again they were selling their dolls) and deleted. My bad & restored --Herby talk thyme 17:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
For completeness - this was the user and their deleted contributions show why I wrongly assumed the category page was solely theirs. --Herby talk thyme 17:06, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Picture deletedEdit

Hello, See, I got permission from the original owner how can I explain it? I want this pic back again, but what should I do?, I got complete permission, how can I expose I got the permission?...

the file deleted is this one... File:MtyC.jpg

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Junior ssa (talk • contribs) 2011-12-31 00:59 (UTC)
You say you "got permission from the original owner", yet when uploading the image you claimed it as "own work". How do you explain this? -mattbuck (Talk) 10:55, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Singling me out?Edit

You stated I would be blocked for harassment. Where do you get such an idea? I've already talked to other CUs and if you were kept out of the loop then it is probably because you originally supported the individual, which makes you involved. I was already encouraged by some of the parties to put Rd232 up for desysop because of his inappropriate action and aiding Fae when involved. Why did you think it would look good for you to threaten such a thing without any basis like that? I really do expect an apology and you to strike my name there. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Your contributions to this since the RfA closed look like harassment to me - others are welcome to their views and may or may not post something however - for the record - if you do so I will block you for harassment which is what I see your behaviour as since the RfA closed (oh - and it is not a threat). Thanks --Herby talk thyme 15:28, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Being involved means that it doesn't matter what it looks like to you, you have no right to make threats to block. You were the first supporter and that is very telling about your mindset. I already talked to Russavia and spent a lot of time going over all of the problems with him. I also talked to multiple CUs who did not include you for what now looks like an obvious reason. Threatening to block someone on a groundless reason while involved is incivil and I will report you if you don't apologize. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:31, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I was the first supporter - I was also one of the first to strike that support. To me that means my stance is fairly neutral on this matter - however I dislike the harassment which has occurred since the RfA was withdrawn.
Feel free to report me to anyone you like - I have to say it will not worry me at all. Maybe a stack of folk will turn up and tell me I am wrong - who knows. --Herby talk thyme 15:34, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Neutral? Because you struck a support? That is never the case and you know it. That you would have to stoop to try and make it seem that you aren't being abusive right now should make you really question your own actions. You are obviously not thinking straight. And stop throwing around the word "harassment" because there is no harassment except by statements like your own. You have been incivil with your threats to block and false claims of harassment, and the fact that you wont apologize is really, really scary. Perhaps you need a few days to just get away and think about your actions so you can actually think with a clear head because something is making you say some blatantly bad things and that isn't healthy for this project. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:36, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
As I've said we see the world differently - I see me as relatively neutral in all this or I would not dream of making my posting on the Admin board.
If you consider what I am saying is bad for this project you really should report me or maybe do a de-rfa on me if you want. I will not apologise for stating that I consider your behaviour since the end of the RfA harassment - that is what it seems like to me. --Herby talk thyme 15:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Syria sees itself as humanitarian and Democratic. Objectivity and subjectivity are easily confused. And where is the proof that I have "harassed"? By pointing out that Rd232 was misquoting cleanstart? That the rev del's were abusive? The community has sided with me on both. Neither is harassment. If anything, I was the only one truly harassed - having a sock puppet out me in that forum while also making nasty attacks on my supposed sexuality. You didn't say anything about that one. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:43, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
My reasoning is in my post - you continue to go on and on about something that is over here on Commons. I have commented that I don't agree with the blanking for example but others don't seem bothered - I do not go on and on about it as I do have better things to do and it would - if I went on and on be harassment. I would appreciate being able to get on with backlogs without the orange bar coming up. I have said what I think and feel and you don't agree with me. Let's see what others say.
Start a different thread if you feel bad about something else --Herby talk thyme 15:48, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
It was a different thread - it was about the Rev Del (clearly labeled "# 10.2 Undo recent Rev Del") and it is still not undone yet. How can you pretend otherwise? Ottava Rima (talk) 15:50, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I am not pretending anything - I am commenting on the way I see your behaviour. Indeed it is not just on that thread I find you of questionable benefit to Commons as I am sure you will see. I advise you to take your own advice and take some time out. --Herby talk thyme 15:55, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
And a lot of people don't think I am of questionable benefit. You stated that my current actions were about the RfA. You have failed to prove that. It cannot be proven as my comments of the past day were about the Rev Del and a misunderstanding of what clean start even means. You don't have real evidence here and you are going off of personal judgment of me that we both know has been negative for over a year. Why would you then think you are still objective? Ottava Rima (talk) 16:04, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Ottava, you harass people, this thread I believe is further harassment. Take a time out. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:58, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
As I said on IRC, I don't harass people - I annoy or bother, but there is a clear difference. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:04, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
As long as we agree that you do annoy or bother people I am fine with calling that harassment - to the person receiving your attention that is what it is.
Maybe all the folk who think you are wonderful could express their support for you on wiki rather than on IRC. --Herby talk thyme 16:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Additionally - I have never used my rights abusively in over 5 years of having them on multiple wikis - I would never do so. Either way the issue is in your hands if you want to test it out - either you will be blocked or I will be de-admin'd for abuse - it is up to you. --Herby talk thyme 16:10, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Harassment is akin to stalking. Annoying is not even close to harassment. You should know enough to differentiate between the two. And Herby, did I bother to edit that thread? You act as if I am tempting you to use the admin tools when I am merely challenging your philosophy behind it. You are conflating things that can't be conflated. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:19, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
I do know enough to differentiate and it is the effect you have on people that is the issue not the effect you think you have.
I have dealt with enough issues over the years to be able to put aside my personal issues and work in the way I see best for the community - I really don't see you as "best for the community" --Herby talk thyme 16:23, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
This is harassment and outing, yet you did nothing to remove it and Rev Del it. If you really put aside personal issues why have you failed to address that? I'm still waiting for it to be cleared out. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
One day you will understand what it means to be a collaborative editor (maybe). As far as the link is concerned I haven't had time to keep up with your almost endless complaints about everyone and maybe others are the same - we will get to it in time I'm sure. --Herby talk thyme 19:09, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
The link was actual harassment - outing and nasty attacks from a user. Your sarcasm doesn't really do you any favors especially when you are saying you are objective regarding me. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
I assure you there is no sarcasm there at all. --Herby talk thyme 09:11, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year!Edit

* * * Happy New 2012 Year! * * *

-- George Chernilevsky talk 17:28, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

very best wishes for 2012 George - many thanks & regards --Herby talk thyme 19:07, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
+1. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:13, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


FYI, I just nuked all that guy's uploads - I found a couple on Panoramio as direct copyvios, and given the others were taken with a variety of cameras decided to get rid of the rest as PRP. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:42, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

And now blocked for a week. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:37, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :) --Herby talk thyme 08:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

The guy asked to be unblocked, then blanked his talk page. Can you take a look at this? -mattbuck (Talk) 12:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I think I'd go for letting sleeping dogs lie maybe? He is pissed that we don't want his uploads and doesn't seem that interested in complying with licensing. The block was appropriate for the situation so let's see if he comes back I guess. --Herby talk thyme 12:27, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi there, I have posted my recommendation here on how the issue should be solved in the immediate term. Please consider it. russavia (talk) 15:43, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't agree with you I'm afraid. I would like to see what the community actually think. Disengaging will merely mean the issue returns later on as in the past. --Herby talk thyme 15:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
That of course is your entitlement, but if it were me I would be disengage for the time being -- it does no-one any good to discuss things when tensions are already high, for it will only ensure that those tensions will continue to rise. Perhaps editors who are involved can instead work together to introduce certain things such as RFC to Commons, if such things are required, and it would appear that they are. russavia (talk) 15:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
On Commons there is always plenty to do and too few people actually doing it. People have been talking about RfCs since I started here and nothing has happened yet.
I am not doing this in any way that is intended to increase tension - indeed my hope is quite the opposite. I am not vindictive no ever have been but I would like to see what regular folk who are interested in the future of Commons think about this. It will either die if I am wrong or be resolved - either way the tension will diminish. I do not plan posting further on the thread myself if knowing that helps you. --Herby talk thyme 16:07, 1 January 2012 (UTC)


After discussing the matter with Russavia, I would like to apologize to you for unnecessary hostility regarding your attempts to stop the spread of problems related to the closing of Fae's RfA and for unfairly not recognizing your change of heart related to your vote. Instead of feeling slighted by being mentioned, I should have recognized that you were attempting to bring peace to the situation. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:47, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Apologies - I didn't notice this as others had posted. Thank you. --Herby talk thyme 16:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Hiding discussionEdit

Hi Herby,

I noticed you closed the discussion at Commons:Administrators/Requests/Rd232 (de-adminship), but why is there a need to hide it?

Happy New Year. --  Docu  at 10:32, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I didn't :) And I see that has been reversed now anyway. Personally I am no fan of "hiding" stuff - most folk couldn't give a damn after things are over anyway. Best to you too - regards --Herby talk thyme 11:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
That was me who closed and collapsed it. I have now uncollapsed it. russavia (talk) 11:43, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Checkuser helpEdit

Thanks for your check user help on that case page! Much appreciated, -- Cirt (talk) 02:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Deletion issueEdit

Hi Herbythyme I uploaded the picture of Jan Jenisch, the new CEO of the company Sika, which you deleted. Please restore this as it is the official picture of Mr. Jenisch. I work for the company Sika and I recently changed the internet page, please refer to this page, there you see the truth. I just wanted to update also the current Wikipedia-Entry in English and German in order to have correct information everywhere. When uploading the picture I wanted to answer correctly all questions. That's why I answered that I personally have not the right of the picture itself, because it does not belong to me PERSONALLY. So I should have ticked this option, this was a mistake, I took the wording too precisely. Please undelete the picture. Thanks in advance.

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Polish Army Soldiers 1951.jpgEdit

Would you be able to check if User:Pybk is the same person as ? One of the contributors to the debate suspects there's some deception going on, and I'm inclined to agree with xim. --Claritas (talk) 16:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

good eyes. Yep - if you want any other action taken/anything posted let me know. Two blocked - I'm sure you will find them easily enough. --Herby talk thyme 16:52, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Picture deleted without informing meEdit


My picture got deleted even without informing me. I already sent an email to on Dec 30th while uploading this image regarding the permission info and I would like this picture to be restored.

Here is the link to the image from the site :

The above link is directing towards the main event and you can find this image under this folder.

Here is the permission info :

This image is owned by (formerly named "IndiaFM"). All photographs used by this site from Bollywood Hungama parties/events with the exception of screenshots, wallpapers or promotional posters are exclusively created by their own photographers. Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify these images, providing the site is attributed and a direct link running to the source on their site is provided.

This should NOT be deleted as this does not violate any copyright information.

Here is the file name of the picture : Vivek_Oberoi_on_stage_at_Fashion_week_2010.jpg



What makes you think you can do this? It is a very serious issue to overturn another admin's block while involved. It was also moved into its own section by Tiptoety who did not close it, and you would be intervening against an uninvolved admin while you were involved in the initial dispute. Ottava Rima (talk) 17:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I deemed enough of Commons time had been wasted - there are plenty of backlogs that require our attention. As usual you are welcome to re-open it. I will then block you. You are welcome to complain and start yet another thread. --Herby talk thyme 17:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
And if an admin opens it, do you threaten to block them too? And you can't threaten to block me for opening something you are clearly involved in and made an out of process close. That isn't in the blocking policy. Do our policies no longer matter? Ottava Rima (talk) 17:23, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Fortunately I have explained how I feel and - not for the first time - I consider you and others a distraction from the work on Commons which I would prefer to be doing. I suggest you have me de-admin'd if you feel my voluntary work here is not acceptable. --Herby talk thyme 17:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate you were trying to minimize drama, Herby, in trying to enforce the close; but you should have realised that it would have the opposite effect. Waiting for Tiptoety to comment, given that Ottava had already asked him, would have been better. Well, that's my 2 cents for the learning to be had from this incident. :) Rd232 (talk) 01:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Whilst sympathetic to the specific point made, I feel that allowing "ping-pong" debates to drivel on to no particular end is unconstructive and diverts from not only our main purpose here but also the horrendous backlogs which, to my mind, are not being dealt with. Sure, it's tedious work, but I don't see those who shout the loudest doing anything about it. There is more to here than uploading images, and perhaps its about time some proper taskforces were set up. As for Admin intervention, someone has to draw the line somewhere, and it's best if it's someone who demonstrably has the trust of this community and a track record of acting in its best interests. Back to Category:Location possible, which seems to expand at the same rate at which I can deal with its contents. Cheers. Rodhullandemu (talk) 01:29, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Hm, well, in case it wasn't clear to you (if you didn't see the thread), I agreed with Herby's closing the thread (I did propose it in the thread!). My comment was only about the enforcement of that closure. Rd232 (talk) 01:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I did see that, and reiterate that drawing the line was appropriate in my opinion, therefore support the enforcement, which did not come out of the blue. Rodhullandemu (talk) 01:35, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I hadn't actually seen the posting on Tiptoety's page when I placed the block for what it's worth. I will return to backlogs - pity others cannot. --Herby talk thyme 08:39, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

== :) ==

Good to see you active here again - regards --Herby talk thyme 12:21, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind message on my talk page. I indeed hope to be more active on commons. :) -- とある白い猫 ちぃ? 18:03, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Screenshot title page NP Sumava.Edit

Hello, this is my work in that neverending hole. I ask, I asked for permission. Permission was granted. Why didnt ask me before deleting? Nevermind, have a new design today. Maybe somebody, asked again, and with permition insert here new screenshot. Yeah! Somebody else. Happy new year.--I.Sáček, senior (talk) 19:16, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Regarding a screenshot of a website which would need COM:OTRS permission if uploaded. --Herby talk thyme 08:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Probably time to close this messEdit

Of course it's hard to draw a conclusion from that discussion, but then what did you expect? :-)

FWIW, I'm never comfortable playing disciplinarian when it comes to other adults who should know better, but it apparently comes with the territory. --SB_Johnny talk 23:03, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

You and me both - folk should take responsibility for themselves and behave responsibly. I asked the question - others can work out the answers :) Best --Herby talk thyme 08:55, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Now I know why I exist!Edit

"It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others."

Seriously, could you look at my new and improved User Page and tell me if it makes any sense? You are an Admin, right? Am I headed in the direction of creating a "Project Page"? Do we have such a thing? Please tutor. Your reward will be good jokes via email! Doug youvan (talk) 15:07, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I confess to being puzzled - please don't take this personally but why would I be interested in your user page - the whole point is that it is yours.
Info on projects would appear to be here but I know nothing about them.
As to jokes - please don't. The very rare ones that might make me smile I've likely seen - the vast majority are dross. --Herby talk thyme 16:17, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to have bothered you. My User Page contains an offer to help on certain images that would require custom programming. I thought I would tell a few people in case such is needed. Doug youvan (talk) 14:28, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
OK - I am a very simple photographer so much is what is there goes way over my head - apologies & regards --Herby talk thyme 14:37, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Delete of Azzam Pasha interview imageEdit

Would you mind explaining the copyright rationale behind removal of this image? This was a rather critical piece of material for an article and its removal is damaging. According to the Egyptian Copyright Law of 2002, any work that is the copyright of a legal entity enters the public domain 50 years after publication. The Azzam Pasha interview was published in 1947. If the rights belonged to the paper at the time it would seem this means the entire content of the image has entered the public domain. As the image was speedily deleted there has been no allowance for discussion of points like this.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:43, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

The discussion on this is here. In passing there was no "discussion" on it - merely edit warring. --Herby talk thyme 17:45, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for that. Seems another admin suggested restoring the image so it seems you would be free to undelete.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of User pageEdit

Hello Herby! I am a little bit confused about the deletion of our user page. There was just a presentation of our Association. Greetings, --Watch Indonesia! (talk) 11:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

By the way: AFAIK "project scope" has nothing to do with the user page, which is quite liberal for use and definitive for presentation of the user. ;-) Greetings,
This user IS a organisation. ;-) --Watch Indonesia! (talk) 12:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Herby, FYI, Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#User:Watch_Indonesia!. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:44, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks - given it is in de I'll let a de person deal with it. The page is different from the one I deleted anyway - I know some admins who would block them for the username anyway - ho hum --Herby talk thyme 13:46, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Just for curiosity: On which rule on en-Wikipedia some admins would deleting the account because of the user name? In German Wikipedia I do not know such a rule and if only SOME admins would do this, it seems to be verz subjective. Friendly greetings, --Watch Indonesia! (talk) 15:06, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
en:Wikipedia:Username_policy#Company.2Fgroup_names. Such a block would be standard on en.wp; Herby's "some" refers to Commons, I think. Commons has a draft policy which is similar - Commons:Username_policy#Company.2Fgroup_names. Rd232 (talk) 16:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I have already responded on the user's talk page. --Herby talk thyme 16:42, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I am one of those Admins who believes that user names should be personal, not organizational -- as described in our proposed policy and have blocked User:Watch Indonesia! That is supported by our proposed policy and that the only reason an organization might want an account here is to benefit the organization, which is usually at cross purposes to benefiting Commons.     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 00:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
I find the status of Commons' various "proposed" policies somewhat perplexing. :( Rd232 (talk) 00:21, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. As far as I know we have no written description of how we actually adopt new policy. I treat proposed policies as though they were policy, particularly ones like this that have been in place for some time -- in this case more than three years.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 00:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
"we have no written description of how we actually adopt new policy." - perhaps we should propose a Commons:Proposed policies policy... :D Rd232 (talk) 00:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
We just have a publicly advertised vote/discussion to form consensus (e.g. on the talk page). No need for a whole policy about it. --99of9 (talk) 00:57, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
I know, I was joking! Hence the smiley. In a similarly jokey vein: do we need to propose a policy on not proposing unnecessary policies? Yeah, it's time I went to bed. :) Rd232 (talk) 00:59, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but -- what constitutes a consensus? 51%? 2/3? 90%? Can we ignore votes from people with fewer than 10 contributions? 100? 1,000? 10,000? How do we deal with our colleagues who have no English? Or don't they get a vote? Publicly advertised where? We have no single place that everyone reads or even "should" read.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:16, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
A related thought -- should all of the organizations uploads get a {{Delete}}? They are all shown as "own work", in some cases with different names. They cannot be "own work" of an organization and I would be surprised if the organization has actually gone to the trouble of getting formal copyright transfers from the various individuals.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 00:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Probably true here, and perhaps frequently - but discussion with the user might allow this to be fixed, if the individual copyright-holders claim their copyright. NB at least some Commons:Partnerships use what look like organizational accounts for upload, eg User:RIANbot has no identified controller. Rd232 (talk) 00:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Nice to know everyone is having a good time here ;)

The big advantage with somewhat indistinct policies is that no one can tell me I am wrong. Yesterday I warned folk about scope, I warned folk about advertising, I blocked folk for promotional work - I guess after a few admin actions here and the fact I take full responsibility for my actions I consider each of those decision correct. Proper policies would inconvenience that... --Herby talk thyme 12:04, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Reading the above through more
My view on user names tends to relate to their behaviour rather than their names for what it's worth. If they contribute useful images then maybe it is ok. I often find a user page for photographers that has a link to their website on - my question is whether they are contributing useful images or just a pretty piccy of themselves as tends to be the case. Equally I almost always consider cross wiki contribs too
On getting policies adopted - you have to be joking! I used to try and do that but it is waaay too frustrating.
There is almost certainly a joke about how many opinions you will get from a given number of Commons users but if you put that to the vote not enough people would agree...;) 'scuse the ramblings --Herby talk thyme 12:30, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

The problem with a "proposed policy" is that if you cite it as a reason for an action, the other side will point out that it isn't policy and therefore isn't a valid reason.

As far as organizational user names , I think they raise a variety of problems.

  • As I suggested above, an organization cannot say that an image is "own work", so they can't do uploads except from a third party source such as Flickr.
  • Since we don't know if the organizational person actually working here has appropriate authorization to act for the organization, anything they do, and certainly any license they grant is suspect.
  • When I'm closing DRs, and in other contexts, I depend on the fact that I know that User:X is a reliable source of information and act on it; if I don't know User:Y, I will usually confirm what he says. With an organization, you can never build that trust because you don't know if it's John today and Jane tomorrow.
  • Finally, an organizational name is inherently promotional.

     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 14:16, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Be assured - I basically agree with you - I've spent far too long dealing with junk to react strongly every time I come across it. Waay too many of my contributions (wiki wide) relate to promotional content and - sadly - folk do tend to see Foundation projects as just another social networking site. A few are nicer than others but that is about it. And I fully agree in the case of DRs and the like
I do agree on proposed policies however time has taught me that there is not enough time to get agreement on such things here ;) --Herby talk thyme 14:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


Hi, Can you restore this flag I'm actually returning on Wikimedia Commons from Wikibreak. Kindly regards --Katarighe (talk) 18:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

  Done - I thought you had gone - regards --Herby talk thyme 18:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

ID Afghan Historian and Dr Pukhtun Yar AfghanEdit

Hello, let me begin with saying WOW, just wow !!! I logged in after a long time to find this [1].

Man talk about a salem witch trial. Its a good thing I havent been kicked out because I am completely innocent. Let me explain and reply to all of the strange accusations.

1) Users have accused me of being the following Suspected related users: Danyaladamkhan, Pd1 uob, Kqadir, I am none of these. My Username on Commons is Afghan Historian and on Wikipedia is Dr Pukhtun Yar Afghan. The reason why I have two usernames is simple, my first one was on wikipedia way back (5 & 1/2 years ago) when I didnt know a wiki commons existed. Otherwise I would have had only one user ID.

2) >> "he is uploading copyrighted images". I havent uploaded any copyrighted images, I make my own work after research. All of my contributions are in the wiki media commons as freely shared with public.

3) >> "then using a sockpuppet he uploads the controversial maps to Commons and then uses anonymous IP registered in Sindh, Pakistan". I have never done any such thing. I upload material on commons under my ID Afghan Historian.

4) >> "then he tells Túrelio that he obtained the image from the said owner (Dr Israr Ahmad who died in April 2010) with his full permission to release it into wiki public domain". I got permission from the organization of the said person (now dead) to publish it on wiki. The permission was through email, however, that doesnt matter now since the picture was deleted. If the picture was changed in anyway, then it was done by the said organization, not by me.

5) >> "It's a fact that Afghan Historian is a Pakistani". The said person has accused me without even having any proof. This is completely ridiculous. I am an Afghan. If he has proof to the contrary, he should provide it.

6) >> "Afghan Historian is trying to do is mislead everyone who reads Wikipedia". He is attributing the activities of the the other users which are in no way connected to me. This is completely ridiculous.

7) >> "I have reasons to believe that this disgusting anti-Afghanistan comment was made by him". Again, I dont know what these people are thinking, I am only "Pukhtunyar Afghan" on wiki pedia. As an Afghan myself how can I say such stupid things. They dont have any proof but do like shooting other people in the dark.

8) >> "His dishonesty is everywhere, he claims that he is a medical doctor in the United States from a famous Afghan family with strong ties to Afghan tradition and culture and has worked for generations to safeguard and promote Afghan culture, literature and ideals and most of all Pashtunwali...". This is completely true and I have given it on my page at Dr. Pukhtunyar Afghan. [ ]. The said name is partly me real name.

9) >> "but with your checkuser tool I'm very sure that you can see his location as Karachi, Pakistan". Completely false, currently I am in Islamabad, Pakistan.

10) >> "because as soon as he uploaded this file he quickly went and added it into Wikipedia using the Dr. Pakhtunyar Afghan account.". This is true, I would upload material on commons and then add it ti wikipedia. As I said, 5 and a half years ago I didnt know of commons, and I am not aware having two user IDs on commons and wikipedia is wrongful. If it is, please let me know.

11) >>"He claims to be Pakistani, Afghan, American, Zoroastrian, Pashtoon, and God knows what else." What is a person going to call himself if his family was Afghan, but due to the war he was born in Pakistan and grew up in the U.S.. And no I am not a Zoroastrian, I never said that, again, they are spitting out the hatred they have for these other users; Danyaladamkhan, Pd1 uob, Kqadir,

12) >>"The Users are related because they upload files exactly the same way. For example, the sock "Danyaladamkhan" made only 1 upload and it is exactly like Afghan Historian's uploads." God Damn it, how are they similar, I am not Danyaladamkhan. As for the Durrani Empire at its peak [ ], this is a genuine map, it is the work of six months with all the references used provided in the said document. If you check them, you will find all of them to be true. In fact, all other maps before this were erroneous, further more, many Afghan users like AlimNaz agreed to its genuineness.

Some of the references are even present online and in wikipedia, you can check them out yourself. I have even provided the page numbers for the materials used.

13) >>"I feel that there is this one Pakistani nationalist who is using many IDs to upload copyrighted images relating to Pakistan that he steals from online sites, and if I'm not wrong it should be this guy whom I reported here." Wrong and completely false and arrogant. If you want you can check my IP with any of the user IDs (Danyaladamkhan, Pd1 uob, Kqadir, these sickos are accusing me of, and if you do you will find I have been an old wikipedia user with hundreds of contributions and not any of the said wrongful users.

In conclusion, I couldnt respond earlier because I have a busy life but I have never been devious or erroneous in my contributions to wiki pedia or commons. I am disgusted by these accusations. I havent done anything wrong. I am glad none of these sickos succeeded in banning me. I have two and only two user IDs, Afghan Historian (commons) and Dr. Pukhtunyar Afghan (wikipedia). Why I created two is simply because I at the time, i didnt know I could use my wikipedia ID on commons.

For any of my contributions being erroneous, check all the references from books and texts I have provided, if any of these is wrong I am willing to remove my material. Afghan Historian (talk) 17:59, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I confess it is not a matter of concern to me - I merely closed the request. --Herby talk thyme 18:19, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Create a pageEdit

‎Dear Herbythyme, Your page kindly invites to contact you for help, which I do by this. I have on commons a category on my name Category: Andries Van den Abeele which hosts a few pictures. When I go to it, it has above a red text inviting me to 'Create a page on this wiki' and so activate my name. Which I did some time ago. But recently you have cancelled this with the mention: (Test page or page with no valid content: content was: "Inschrijving." (and the only contributor was "Andries Van den Abeele")). I am somewhat at a loss. What can I do? Best regards, Andries Van den Abeele (talk) 10:35, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Supplementary. When I look for User:Andries Van den Abeele and even for my previous nickname User:Andries1204 I find myself well and truly inscribed. So why am I asked for a new page to be created? Andries Van den Abeele (talk) 10:41, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your enquiry. I see that you have now created a user page for yourself which is fine. The one I deleted a while ago was actually named in the main gallery space - it lacked the User: prefix and that is why it was deleted. I hope that is clear but please contact me again otherwise - regards --Herby talk thyme 10:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Herby, all sems good. Andries Van den Abeele (talk) 12:39, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Although, on further scrutiny, I do not find now the general page of all pictures of which I am mentioned as author, as I fond before. Mystery again. Andries Van den Abeele (talk) 12:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
There does not seem to have ever been a page of your images on Commons - the list of images you have uploaded can be found here though. Regards --Herby talk thyme 12:50, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Penis structure.JPG, File:Erected_and_flaccid_Penis.jpg and File:Pipi_penis.JPGEdit

Hi Herby, just wondering, why did you delete these speedily rather than waiting the full week? -mattbuck (Talk) 17:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

They were real junk but I'm not worried if you revert me. It was (kinda) out of process but they were not good. Seems likely that some of the user's images were nicked from elsewhere unless he has multiple genitalia. Revert if you want - cheers --Herby talk thyme 18:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)


I updated the file: ChrisCrockerProfile.jpg. You deleted if for copyright violation. I have copyright permission to use it. Please advise. Thank You.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by XOffenderOC (talk • contribs)

Care to weigh in?Edit

Hello, I submitted the image for deletion on January 12 (Commons:Deletion requests/File:Fort Lachine.jpg) and was hoping you could provide some insight. I originally uploaded the file to Commons a few years ago, and when I did, I thought the image was published before 1923 and in the public domain in the US. However, it was recently discovered that the image came from a book that was published in Belgium in 1927 and it is most likely still under US copyright thanks to the URAA rules. I've already requested help from some extremely knowledgeable Commons editors and administrators (Clindberg, Jameslwoodward, Infrogmation and ChristianT), and they've been gracious enough to volunteer their time to provide an excellent analysis of the image's US copyright status. Now that the US Supreme Court has ruled the URAA constitutional, I'm not comfortable that an image I uploaded to Commons is copyrighted. If you have time, could you please weigh in on the matter, and, if it's ethical for me to ask, consider using your administrative power to close the case by deleting the image? I realize I'm being a bit paranoid, but I hope you understand. Kindest regards, --AlphaEta (talk) 14:18, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Not my area of expertise and I think you have probably asked enough folk to sort it out - thanks --Herby talk thyme 15:41, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Possible checkuser needed?Edit

Hi Herby, I was wondering if you could have a look at what Beta M is saying at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Scat-01.jpg (don't look at the image, it's not pretty, and there is no reason for deletion). There have been quite a few people recently who, having uploaded nude photos years ago, suddenly reappear and say they didn't have permission to upload (when work is described as {{own}}). It's a bit suspicious. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:05, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Weird stuff - not particularly sure I can see what Meta M is trying to say - no enough "evidence" for connecting folk there however 2xusers blocked. --Herby talk thyme 15:51, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Restore intro plsEdit

Will you please restore this intro:

  • The category includes images with a direct connection to Swedish entertainer Christer Lindarw of Stockholm.

to that category's page? SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:46, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I've put in what I see as necessary for a category. --Herby talk thyme 17:53, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:53, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Do not ask multiple people for assistance - not a good way to behave --Herby talk thyme 18:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
I have explained what happened and why, as I see it, on Ö's talk page and have expressed regret there about the colliding good intentions. Thank you again! I hope you can find it in the goodness of your heart to forgive this. SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:55, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Removinf tagEdit

Hello :)

I saw you speedy kept some of my files that were put on DR by an IP, but the DR tags are still on the file's page. I think that it might not be a good thing that uploaders remove by themselves a DR tag, would you mind doing it please ? (please note that the images are buttons for edit bar, so i think they are in com:scope as i pointed out in the short description of the files).

Lilyu (talk) 20:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

  Done sorry I missed that. --Herby talk thyme 12:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Restaurant Week Logo deletionEdit

Hi. I am the creator of the logo and I have full authority and permission from Explocity to use that logo. What do you need from me? A mail from showing proof that I can use that logo? I already have sent a mail to "permissions@". Please help. What do I need to do? Upload it in a different way? Requesting your help and advice. Varunr (talk) 03:52, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Turns out the "permissions" ID has received my authorization mail and have restored it. Thanks. Varunr (talk) 09:30, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

The Administrator's barnstarEdit

  The Administrator's barnstar
I hereby award Herbythyme a.k.a. Herby this barnstar for high activity as Administrator on Commons in 2011. Very good work! -- George Chernilevsky talk 20:16, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
From you George that means a lot - thanks thanks :) --Herby talk thyme 11:39, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Restaurant Week ImagesEdit

Hi. With regard to my other two undeletion requests, the article for this image is currently at: I just need to tweak it a bit more so that I can submit it for review by Wiki authors across the globe. The image is kind of intrinsic to the page and not having it dilutes / takes away sheen (aesthetically speaking).Varunr (talk) 12:48, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Those are collages of pictures I clicked for the event. Can you please help me with what source information I need to provide and how. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but would appreciate your help. Varunr (talk) 13:31, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

首页/今日影音 and 首页/今日图片Edit

Hi Herbythyme. I think those two pages are zh-hans versions of Main Page/motd and Main Page/potd and used in the zh-hans Main Page. I'm not sure should Commons:Galleries apply to it. Could you please check it?--Mys 721tx (talk) 17:37, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Sincerely apologies - I took it that there were single image galleries and didn't look harder - restored, hope there was no inconvenience --Herby talk thyme 19:48, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! :-)--Mys 721tx (talk) 00:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Richero cluster spamEdit

Hi, I've been following around also the image part of the Richero dj cluster spam. Can you please have a look at local account SP User:Klaudia 92, that is not merged? Sorry for bothering you, thanks a lot. Ciao, M7 (talk) 21:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Obvious puppet - blocked, images deleted - always happy to help :) Best --Herby talk thyme 08:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


Excuse me. Why you deleted this file? It is NASA work (taken from Google Earth), russian translation was made by me personally. Image was made for candidate in good article in ruwiki ru:Битва при Артемисии (english Battle of Artemisium). This information contained in description of this image --Юрий Педаченко (talk) 15:55, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Google earth is not copyright free I'm afraid. --Herby talk thyme 16:29, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
You might want to take a look at WorldWind which has much of the basic functionality of Google Earth and is free to use. Rodhullandemu (talk) 18:15, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Neat - thanks for the thought --Herby talk thyme 18:17, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Next time I will use it. Generally they are absolutely similar. Sincerely yours --Юрий Педаченко (talk) 19:42, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Après Bush jpgEdit

Hi Herbythyme, I was wondering why you deleted the pic of the book cover Aprè Bush. The author send me a jpg-format picture himself. Also it was my first article and I am not that familiar with article writing on wikipedia yet so I am open to any suggestions. I hope I raised the question in the right area by the way.

Licensing for any such cover would have to be made via COM:OTRS by the copyright owner - who is likely the publisher rather than the author in practice. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 14:01, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

So just to understand: what would I need in order to publish the cover of the book on wikipedia? And how does it work? By the way can you perhabs explain me why the wikipedia page (Yannick Mireur - the english version) is not online yet? Do I need to wait until wikipedia proved everything or did I do something wrong? Thanks for you help

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenzone89 (talk • contribs)
If you read what I wrote above it will take you to instruction on how to license an image. However if you are not the copyright holder you will not be able to do so.. This is Commons not Wikipedia so I have no idea why any article is not there. --Herby talk thyme 09:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Page deletionEdit

Since you're deleting my page?? How do I build a page about Lorin Big Lo Sandretzky?? He's quite an icon here in Seattle... Please google him and you'll see!! He needs to have a Wikipedia page... Thank you.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs)
not much idea what you are on about - I can't see anything I've deleted recently about that person - you should login to post. Either way this is Commons not Wikipedia and is solely for images. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 14:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Temple deletionEdit

Hi Herbythyme, Kindly let me know the reasons for deleting page Mangla_Devi_Temple_Vidisha. This is one of the oldest places dating 9 - 10 century AD, and not much of info is available around it. I though visited this small town, so thought of collecting the info.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayankmalik (talk • contribs)
Hello Mayankmalik. I believe that the deletion was because what you wrote appears to be an encyclopaedia entry about the temple. This is Wikimedia Commons, we host free media, we are not an encyclopaedia. You seem to have managed to create the article fine on Wikipedia. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Mattbuck is quite right. You had been advised that it was outside our scope and you removed the deletion template without logging in - please do not repeat this behaviour. --Herby talk thyme 18:51, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Complex discussion on the PumpEdit

Please see Your advice would be appreciated. BTW, I sure hope Bowie didn't have 9" nails with him! Doug youvan (talk) 00:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Inadequate time - sorry --Herby talk thyme 08:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


Thank you for your support and kind words.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 11:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

restore plsEdit

I think you made a mistake deleting a user page saying it was out of project scope. The Project Scope page refers only to file pages. The user page was previously allowed by another admin. 19:57, 10 February 2012: Foxy Freedom (talk | contribs) triggered an abuse filter, performing the action "edit" on User:Foxy Freedom. Actions taken: none; Filter description: New users adding external links on their user page.

The link establishes the identity of the user and shows that the contributions are genuine.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxy Freedom (talk • contribs)
Nope - project scope applies to user page however I'll review it shortly. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 17:01, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Restored and apologies - I hadn't realised it was an audio file you uploaded. Regards --Herby talk thyme 17:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

My ImagesEdit

Hi Herbythyme, Please kindly explain how I can get those images restored; their original owners already consented to their usage here!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnmoor (talk • contribs)
Many thanks, Herby; I will ask the owners to act accordingly. —JOHNMOORofMOORLAND (talk) 15:23, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Don't remove my messages from my talk page i request you Shabirali109


Hi Herbythyme, good to see you around here. Let me just say here that I regret the situation over on meta escalated the way it did, and that I don't see anything negative standing between us at least. The feeling of respect you kindly expressed somewhere is reciprocated. Fut.Perf. 17:23, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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