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Perdona, pero no te entiendo. Podrías hablar nuestro idioma? Manuchansu (talk) 22:10, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Lo siento, no entiendo que dices. Y por muy jeltzale que seas, hablas español perfectamente. Las comunicaciones que tengas que hacerme, me las haces en nuestro idioma común. De lo contrario, no entenderé lo que me dices y no estarás contribuyendo a nada. [Personal attack removed by --Iñaki LL (talk) 21:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC)]. Tienes algo que decirme de verdad? Manuchansu (talk) 22:17, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
What??? Sorry I do not understand your gross and manipulative language. So are you lying here? If this is a spin-off from another dispute in the English WP, you will be taken to task again. Iñaki LL (talk) 22:27, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Lo siento, pero no estás cooperando nada. Estás pisoteando argumentos de sentido común [Personal attacks removed by Iñaki LL (talk) 21:15, 6 November 2016 (UTC)] Manuchansu (talk) 20:49, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
You can stay in your bubble of intolerance. Iñaki LL (talk) 21:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

A ver...Edit

... antes de proseguir una discusión improductiva, unas cuantas precisiones. Wikipedia es un proyecto colaborativo, lo cual espero que tengas claro. Uno de los elementos fundamentales de la colaboración es la comunicación. Otra precisiones es que las plantillas Babel no son un adorno sino una muestra de los idiomas en los que uno se puede comunicar (recuerda, eso de la colaboración). Por motivos obvios, y dado que compartimos un idioma con dominio pleno por parte de ambos, lo obvio (y espero que no tenga que explicarlo), es usarlo. Si, de entre los idiomas que compartimos te empeñas en usar uno en el que no tenemos la misma competencia (4 vs. 3) deduzco entonces que no quieres utilizar el idioma para comunicarnos sino como una herramienta de imposición (algo a lo que, lamentablemente, estamos demasiado acostumbrados en este país). Si ese es tu plan (si no te gusta el castellano a mí, plim, pero no entonces no indiques que lo dominas), entonces me queda claro que tu propósito aquí no es colaborar, sino otra cosa (cuál sea a mí me da un poco igual, la verdad). Así que, antes de seguir revirtiendo inutilmente, me gustaría que me precisases cual es el propósito de tu "política comunicativa" (el cual no parece ser, por cierto, comunicarse). Quedo a la espera de tus precisiones --Discasto talk 17:16, 14 November 2016 (UTC)U

Ok, for a start, I am going to tell you. I have been subject to a personal attack (above) of an intransigent, with too similar a rhetoric as yours and an impositive tone that I should speak Spanish, "our common language". Well you do not impose anything on me, do you understand? Indeed we know a lot about language imposition in the Basque area, 1936 for example in Donostia. You do speak English, Babel 3, which is the costumary language of mine for communications in WCommons, please do use it. If you feel better in Spanish, there is a way out: kindly ask to change the communication language to the one that suits you better; else, I am definitely turning 'a deaf ear'. I am not interested in your POV. If I saw this is a continuation of disruption in the English WP, I would take you to task again, Ok? I am seeing that you have been through sockpuppeting investigations before, a matter of concern no doubt. O, the above Manuchansu editor does have the same level of English and Spanish as yours, interesting.
Now strictly coming to the subject. I uploaded it, I added proper metadata, which took some pains, yes, but for anyone to use it in their projects or whatever they want to do according to the license terms. Respect the work of editors and the descriptive information, like the historic name of the city (prohibited, yes, by the 1936 fascist coupists), used also in English. Important is also the historic, geographic and cultural area where the place belongs. If you see something is missing, do add it as smoothly as possible, pinpointing what you are changing, and adding, not removing. I should remind you, at the moment you are removing information. Again, see my comment in your talk page. Lastly, do not engage in edit warring. Thank you Iñaki LL (talk) 21:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Como me temía, ya me sales por peteneras. No me importa, ni me interesa, ninguno de tus problemas con otros usuarios. Tampoco me vengas con falacias del hombre de paja (yo no he hablado para nada de "nuestro idioma común", sino que he constatado que dado que compartimos un idioma con dominio pleno por parte de ambos). Eres tú el que alardeas, no sé muy bien por qué, de un idioma que luego no quieres hablar (quítalo, en serio, así no quedas tan en evidencia). Lo que pasara en el 36 en tu ciudad me trae sin cuidado. La mía sufrió infinitamente más que la tuya y no voy usando argumentos históricos para ser maleducado con otro usuario al que no conoces de nada y que simplemente constata que prefieres hablar un idioma que dominas más que él en lugar del idioma en el que sí mostramos la misma suficiencia. De nuevo, te animaría a que eliminases tu babel de castellano, así al menos no sería tan evidente tu POV. Y lo digo porque solo a alguien muy cegado por su POV se le puede ocurrir acusar a otro de eliminar información... eliminando información. Como ya te he dicho, tus circunstancias personales me interesan poco, tampoco tus valoraciones sobre la historia de tu pueblo, ciudad, o país (que no justifica que quieras borrar el nombre la país en el que se encuentra Donosti), del mismo modo que a tí te importarán poco las de los demás. Como veo que sigues empeñado en las guerras de ediciones, simplemente te indico un par de cosas que ya te indicado pero a las que, como ya has aclarado, has hecho oídos sordos. A ti te puede parecer baladí indicar el país en el que se encuentra una ciudad. Además de reflejar tu sesgo (yo no tengo la culpa de que Donosti sea parte de España), eliminar esa información es una disrupción clara. Insistes en incluir algo que, como puedes comprobar, alude a una realidad bstante más eterea, en la que ni entro ni salgo, pero que es tan difuso como poner Belfast (Irlanda), Perpinyà (Catalonia) o Tolosa (Occitania). Entiendo que a ti te puede satisfacer mucho (la diatriba de más arriba, sin venir a cuento y solo para explicar tu mala educación conmigo lo prueba), pero esto no es un foro para hacer propaganda, sino para ser lo más neutro que se pueda. Finalmente, el nombre habitual en inglés (ese idioma que te importa tanto cuando te interesa) parece ser San Sebastián (de nuevo, no es mi problema). Así que, sin negritas ni estridencias, deja de quitar la información sobre el país en el que se encuentra San Sebastián. Si a ti te satisface mucho indicar que es Euskal Herria, a mí plim, pero no sigas eliminando información clave (incluso si personalmente te repugna). Muchas gracias por tu comprensión --Discasto talk 22:03, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
I do not usually read walls, for a start. You did not request anything to me as suggested, so I will communicate in the language I usually do. Your removals of relevant geographic and cultural information/context will be reverted as uncooperative. I keep for myself the possibility of initiation other actions leading to determine your abuse of editing rights. --Iñaki LL (talk) 09:15, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Bien, visto lo visto, constato lo siguiente: (a) te niegas a utilizar el idioma de mayor suficiencia que compartimos, a pesar de haberte sido requerido -> incompresión sobre el carácter cooperativo del proyecto; (b) me acusas de ataques personales inexistentes -> conducta disruptiva; (c) eliminas información clave de la situación de San Sebastián -> vandalismo, POV; no sigo. Espero tus noticias --Discasto talk 15:06, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Deberías tener cuidado y, antes de ponerte a poner plantillitas, disculparte, al menos por esas mentirijillas de que te había atacado personalmente... --Discasto talk 18:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
What??? I talk about the above username Manuchansu, not this username you are using now. --Iñaki LL (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Te rogaría unas cuantas cosas: la primera es que no me mezcles con otros usuarios. Los problemas que tengas con el tal Manuchansu, los resuelves con él, no conmigo. Si es Manuchansu el que te atacó personalmente, pues a mí, plim. Eso no justifica tus vandalismos ni tus ediciones sesgadas. Si no te he entendido bien, es tu problema, no él mío. Te indiqué desde el principio que usásemos un idioma con la mayor compentencia por parte de ambos. No te dio la gana, pues es tu problema, no el mío. La segunda es que procures leerte atentamente Commons:Talk_page_guidelines#User_talk_pages. Ahí verás que lo que haga en mi página de discusión es a mi discreción y que, aunque desaconsejado, no se prohíbe borrar mensajes de dicha página (yo estoy más acostumbrado a esto, por si tu anglofilia te lleva a aumentar tu conocimiento del sistema wiki). Ya he leído tu parida de mensaje, lo he asimilado, te he respondido... y lo he borrado. La tercera es que trates de distanciarte un poco de los conflictos que causas. Si lo consigues, verás lo risible que es acusar a otro de borrar información... borrando información, o de acusar tu antagonista en una guerra de ediciones de participar en una guerra de ediciones (una guerra solo existe cuando hay al menos dos involucrados... lo digo por si no habías cogido el razonamiento). Sigo esperando tus argumentos (careces de ellos y lo sabes) acerca de borrar información factual y sustituirla por información difusa o tu insistencia en ignorar el carácter colaborativo del proyecto. Así que, por favor, deja de dejarme plantillitas. No me intimidan y, por respeto a ti, me he abstenido de colocarte exactamente la misma, que es lo que pensé inicialmente. Espero tu comprensión --Discasto talk 19:14, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
"tus vandalismos"..., "antes de ponerte a poner plantillitas", you discredit yourself. Keep your lectures for yourself, I am not interested. Actions speak louder than words, you could have integrated information as I suggested in your talk page, nothing, instead you have kept it confrontational stance, with me, the person that has taken all the work of bringing the pictures for the use of everyone, even for people like you. It portrays you. You put it your way, dismissive, despite knowing that it is relevant information and a sensitive issue. It will just be reverted some time or another. --Iñaki LL (talk) 20:10, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Creo que aquí nos retratamos todos. Sobre tus últimas reversiones, me permito recomendarte un curso de comprensión lectora en castellano. "CABALGATA DE LOS REYES MAGOS POR DIVERSAS CALLES DE SAN SEBASTIAN. (Foto 4/4)" significa lo que significa. No lo que tú quieres que signifique. Si hasta ahora se trataba simplemente de un sesgo, digamos, simpático, esto ya empieza a ser más grave. Ya sé que no quieres leer nada (los que todo lo saben, los tipos como tú, no necesitan leer... ya lo saben todo), pero te recomiendo esto (como es de la Wikipedia en inglés seguro que la encuentras instructiva y esclarecedora): en:Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth. Mucha morralla, como siempre, pero explica como lo que tú crees saber (visto lo visto, más bien lo que tu sesgo te lleva a creer) es irrelevante. Lo importante son las fuentes. Y si las fuentes dicen que se trata de la cabalgata de Reyes... pues así se queda, por mucho que tú imagines saber...
Sobre el resto de tu mensaje... pues nada, la gente como yo te da las gracias por tu magnanimidad. Los contenidos de GureGipuzkoa son excepcionales, independientemente de ti, afortunadamente. Gracias por ello --Discasto talk 00:00, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
You keep with your typicial dismissive, pathetic rant, and yes you are removing your sheep skin. At this point what you are doing is cause disruption to productive contributors. I am the uploader and I know the resource, I am from Donostia, and that is not the Reyes Magos. For further comments, go to that picture talk. Any further intervention I will hold it as disruptive and remove immediately. --Iñaki LL (talk) 08:48, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Estaría bien que...Edit

(a) consignases la fuente concreta de donde sacas las fotos; (b) colocases la plantilla {{FlickrReview}} para poder verificar la licencia. En general, subir a mano imágenes de Flickr es poco práctico. El propio formulario de subida en commons permite subir fotos de Flickr, ya sea introduciendo la URL de la foto o de la colección completa. Por favor, ¿podrías arreglarlo? Gracias --Discasto talk 21:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

No cuesta tanto. Y no, no voy a ponerla en más imágenes, por lo que si siguen sin permiso verificado podrán ser borradas. Un saludo --Discasto talk 22:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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Yours sincerely, Discasto talk 22:12, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

A complete waste of time, all the information is there, and I added additional info in Hedwig in Washington. Iñaki LL (talk) 22:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Solo por consignarEdit

  • Rehusar activamente la inclusión de la plantilla {{LicenseReview}} a pesar de habérsete requerido cuando subas contenido de terceros.
  • Incluir erróneamente la información de fuente para poder verificar correctamente la licencia, incluyendo una fuente de YouTube sin licencia, lo que impide verificarla (a pesar de que se ha indicado lo que debes hacer).
  • Eliminar la información en varios archivos de GureGipuzkoa de cuál es el título original, sin razón alguna, y sin estar dispuesto a llegar a más acuerdo que el de imponer tu voluntad.

Si quieres sigo. Y luego hablas de hacer perder el tiempo. Tú mismo. --Discasto talk 14:19, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

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Barrundiako zubiakEdit

Ieup! Lan polita, egin duzuna, baina ezin zaitut lagundu, ez ditudalako ezagutzen... Animo, eta segi bixkor!!--Unai Fdz. de Betoño (talk) 17:42, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

LicenseReviewEdit

El proceso de revisión de licencias es algo serio. Los revisores miramos con cuidado la licencia y damos fe de que la licencia es la que es. Que a ti no te guste la licencia que tiene una foto (de hecho, tú mismo la consignaste correctamente cuando subiste la foto) no te autoriza a cambiarla, especialmente cuando ya se ha revisado. Da mucha pena que te dediques a ningunear el trabajo de los demás y, lo que es peor, a falsificar una revisión, que, con tu cambio, ya no es la que fue revisada. En fin --Discasto talk 21:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

You are in continuous breach of AGF... This is the page, with its license at the bottom ("Este obra está bajo una licencia de Creative Commons Reconocimiento-CompartirIgual 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0)") as it stands now after I had to change it to avoid its deletion and at the moment of the licensereview. In fact, for all his good work, Leoboudv must have overlooked the review of the definite license in detail, since this is the license, so stick to doing something constructive instead of giving a nag. Iñaki LL (talk) 21:44, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Pero, ¿tú has mirado el enlace de la licencia, que es lo que cuenta para la versión 3.0 de las licencias? Por cierto, enternecedor tu mensaje aquí y tu incapacidad para hablar en castellano cuando se te habla en dicha lengua. Yo no presumo nada, solo constato tus problemas con el idioma y con la bandera. Me troncho, la verdad. Ahh, y como bien sabes, si tienes algún problema con una imagen, especialmente si te revierten, lo "wikipédico" es ir a la página de discusión. Ahí podrás exponer todos tus ocurrentes argumentos, ya sea en inglés, en francés o en euskera. Pero claro, tú estás por encima del bien y del mal y tus ediciones siempre son correctas, como la última guerra de ediciones que montaste (para nada, como de costumbre). Constato, porque ya te he dicho que a dónde enlaza es aquí, la traducción al euskera de CC-BY-SA-3.0. A mí también me sabe mal que hayan elegido esa licencia y que la plantilla aquí tenga una banderita (a mí tampoco me gusta), pero es lo que hay. --Discasto talk 17:22, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Listen, you have got an enormous attitude problem. Should you continue to come to my page to make dismissive, personal remarks, be sure I will veto you from my talk page, for disruptive editing, this is the last time. My Spanish is very good, in fact I can choose what language I prefer, for which I select the languages that suits me best, and the most neutral one for this case. You are free to use Spanish if you feel like it, but I do not like your aggressive, erratic and inconsistent rhetoric. Please stick to content-based problem solving. I am very happy there is the edit history for anyone to check, beyond any bla-bla-blas.
As I pointed above, the image is and has always been CC-BY-SA, and nothing more. It remains true that my initial, rejected licensing was CC-BY-SA-es, I must have copied it from somewhere else by error. However, that was rejected, since the page was changed, and the image was up for deletion. I added, as explained and linked above, the right license CC-BY-SA; then Leoboudv added the -es, although that was not the case originally and has never been so, but "Este obra está bajo una licencia de Creative Commons Reconocimiento-CompartirIgual 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0)", that is what the authors want. I do not doubt his change was well-meant.
If you want to keep picking for battles, look for them elsewhere, please spare me your noise. Thanks Iñaki LL (talk) 18:43, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Mira, voy a describirte algunas cosas.

A pesar de lo que puedas creer, las versiones ported y unported de las licencias CC 3.0 no son iguales. Las versiones ported son la traslación a jurisdicciones concretas de la licencia unported. Que ekinklik use una versión ported tiene todo el sentido del mundo, dado que, les guste o no, trabajan en la jurisdicción española. Efectivamente, en Berria se han hecho la picha un lío y, mientras que dicen licenciar bajo una licencia, cuando describen la licencia concreta (el contrato, digamos), lo hacen bajo la versión ported (con traducción al euskera, eso no es relevante para la licencia). En Commons, conscientes de que ambas licencias no son exactamente iguales, permiten indicar cuál es la licencia concreta.

Leoboudv, creo que con buen criterio, ha revisado la licencia e indicado la licencia bajo la que efectivamente están proporcionando sus materiales. Siguiendo el procedimiento en Commons, Leobud ha revisado la licencia. Y he aquí tu comportamiento disruptivo fundamental. Estás falsificando la revisión de licencia que ha hecho Leoboudv. Él ha verificado una licencia y tú le haces decir que ha licenciado otra. Vamos, eso no funciona así. Desde un punto de vista estético, la única diferencia entre ambas licencias es que una tiene la banderita de España (ummm.... problemas para usar el castellano; problemas para indicar el idioma, español, en un título; problemas con la bandera española... no sigo).

Eso sobre las licencias. En Wikipedia en general, trabajamos mediante el consenso, que más que un resultado es un procedimiento. Si haces una edición y te revierten, no te metes en una guerra de ediciones, sino que explicas tu argumento en la página de discusión y tratas de llegar a un acuerdo. Ese es tu segundo comportamiento disruptivo, habitual por otra parte. Solo tú tienes razón y los demás tenemos que asentir educadamente.

Pues no. Si no estás de acuerdo con la revisión de licencia, planteas el problema en la página de discusión. Si no te gusta el acuerdo al que podamos llegar, puedes pedir otras opiniones (aunque, claro, te arriesgas a que nadie te haga ni caso). En definitiva, infórmate un poco y sigue el procedimiento wiki, que implica voluntad de llegar a un acuerdo, aunque este no sea lo que tú quieres. Ya sé que eso te es difícil, pero es lo que hay. --Discasto talk 20:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

O, you made an effort to get down to detail, i.e. to content, now we are getting to something! But please do not tell me what you do not do yourself, like engaging in edit-warring yourself, yeah wake up, rules apply to everyone! Also, it is fine explaining things but please try to not add walls, please read this (EN WP, but pretty valid for this project too).
Re "Estás falsificando la revisión de licencia que ha hecho Leoboudv. Él ha verificado una licencia y tú le haces decir que ha licenciado otra." Do not misrepresent me: "tú le haces decir", just rubbish. What I have restored is exactly the license provided by the source in [1] If other rules work in Commons after the initial license indication in the source, that could be explained succinctly (jurisdiction, etc.) in the very edit summary or talk, what you have not done, continuing with your signature bitter, elliptical style. On your biases... volumes... but I am not here for that, and will not add to the fight. Iñaki LL (talk) 23:09, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

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