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Hi. I've just seen your message at K. (dewiki, subject: User:M.). My question: are the ranges you have from a city of Heilbronn or something like that or from another part of Germany/Europe? Regards. -jkb- (talk) 23:28, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I can't answer this directly per privacy policy, but I've pointed out on your talk some obvious IP socking on where IPs have added images to articles right after those images were uploaded by Messina socks here on Commons. These IPs can be checked via whois, etc for location. INeverCry 02:38, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
OK, I've got your answer, and many thanks for it. Slowly it is becomming a "semi-global" problem ... -jkb- (talk) 23:36, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm happy to help. INeverCry 00:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Onam greetings!

Have a nice Onam, Today! JKadavoor Jee 06:36, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, and I wish you the same.   INeverCry 17:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

hi i want coomons admin help,i want to delete some pics so plz help me and delete those pics,i dont know how to msg you or contact you so i m posting here

  Done INeverCry 18:49, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

You removed a file

framed|center|Framed portrait in the main Onufri offices in Tirana, Albania

Dear Administrator, you deleted this file: File:Ismail Kadare on Onufri.jpg. Albinfo, who requested this be deleted, made the request because he thought it was a book cover. I explained it was not. It is my photo and I understand well the rules for insertion. I am requesting you reverse this deletion. It is based on the fact that Albinfo "could not believe it was not a violation." As was shown in the file's data on the Commons, it is a framed portrait in the main Onufri offices in Tirana, Albania. I snapped this photo with my own camera, with the enthusiastic permission of the Onufri Publishing House owner, and even the drect approval of the subject of the photo himself (though the photo is about ONUFRI, not the subject). This is not a book cover as Albinfo accused and based his deletion request on. I do not know what else can be proven about the authenticity of this photo as my own — especially since it was clear where the photo was taken. Thank you for considering this reversal. --Rereward (talk) 08:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC) (formerly Albaniadave on Wikimedia Commons).

I deleted this because it's a COM:DW of a black and white photo on a wall. The photo of the man is copyrighted, so taking a picture of it is a copyvio unless we have COM:OTRS permission from the original photographer and/or the current copyright holder. Please don't revert my deletion request closures. The proper procedure is to open a discussion at COM:UDEL if needed. INeverCry 17:40, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


Just wanted to thank you for your prompt efforts in deleting various copyvios. Your hard and no doubt boring work is appreciated, thanks, mr.choppers (talk)-en- 19:28, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm a boring person, so that kind of work is perfect for me.   INeverCry 19:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Admin's Barnstar
Thanks for all your efforts, seems like every time I run into a cross-wiki problem you are standing by to promptly deal with the Commons end of it. Beeblebrox (talk) 07:42, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. In that same spirit, I've emailed you about an sock I just found. ;) INeverCry 17:33, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

License review request

new sock puppet of Conformaccokey Kai Körner

hi, please compare   from the blocked Conformaccokey with   from UHU UNO. it seems to be the previous picture from his camera. same time on the clock. same persons. what do you mean? --Jbergner (talk) 10:50, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

  Info Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#user:Conformaccokey
there are exact duplicates and nonsense as well:
--Anika (talk) 12:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
I've blocked the account. INeverCry 17:41, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
next one

Ultraultra (talk · contribs)

The "Zentralorgan" is originaly hosted at The "Impressum" of this website states at the licence agreement: "Creative Commons Lizenz BY-NC-SA", not cc-by-sa, as the uploader did. This refers to all files in the subcategories of Category:Zentralorgan (Ultras Dynamo). Shall I do a speedy-deletion-request because of copyvio in every single file? I'd rather do other (also boring ;) ) work.
These are the same problems that left with Commons:Deletion requests/Files of User:Conformaccokey in Category:Ultras Dynamo. I hope I am doing "the right thing" here. Sincerely, --Anika (talk) 10:09, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
I've blocked the new account and nuked all it's uploads. I also closed the mass DR of Conformaccokey's uploads and deleted the empty categories. INeverCry 17:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
some cookies for you
Thank you. And thanks for the barnstar, but you'd earn it more so...
I missed two files at the DR:
--Anika (talk) 19:15, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Deleted. INeverCry 19:22, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that

Nah, memories of some years ago on wp en and some various issues, created a doppelganger so that someone else doesnt :|, created - will never go near again, hope that explains it well enough. Thanks for the heads up. Cheers sats (talk) 00:05, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

License check request

Could you please do the license check for the following file
Just want to be sure everythings OK there. Thanks in advance --RussianTrooper (talk) 17:34, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 17:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Janez Kmet.jpg

Hi, could you please have a look at File:Janez Kmet.jpg? Something has evidently gone wrong: although you've deleted the image, its description page is still there. --Eleassar (t/p) 17:35, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

  Done Re-deleted. INeverCry 17:37, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. --Eleassar (t/p) 17:41, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


Hello, INeverCry. You have new messages at my talk page. LittleWink (talk) 17:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Fr-Paris--l’œil du mâitre.ogg

Please see the file File:Fr-Paris--l’œil du mâitre.ogg. Ruan123 (talk) 21:08, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 21:18, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
So, thanks. Ruan123 (talk) 23:15, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

chalkeman photos deleted

I probably used the wrong method to stop deletion of three images P094051987fifieldchurchf3211000240x167.jpg P059070081bowerchalkechurchf80180240x311.jpg and P094131997churchblossomf401500240x180.jpg . I emailed for each image on 13th September 2013 about 19:24 UK time affirming copyright on the WP:CONSENT form and put explanations on Talk pages. Many photos were taken by me and some were given on a cd several years ago to Mr Roe tel. +44(0)1725519242 for the website. Other photos have been used on website which is my website, see copyright John Burrough at the bottom of each page which is my real name (as chalkeman email address). You should be able to see from the metadata that all were taken with the same C770UZ Olympus camera. Please undelete these images.Chalkeman (talk) 10:06, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Seeing that you've emailed COM:OTRS with permission, an OTRS member will have to confirm that permission before the images can be restored. You can ask about the email you sent, and the progress of your case at COM:OTRS/N. INeverCry 16:48, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi INeverCry, can you grant rollback to my alternative account, Jianhui68? It is my alternative account that was created on August. This account also has rollback rights on English Wikipedia. I would like to use that account for testing and reverting vandalism on public computers. I will also need the confirmed right too. Thanks. Jianhui67 Talk 14:23, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 14:28, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
The account is autoconfirmed. INeverCry 14:34, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I thought the autoconfirmed criteria is 4 days and 10 edits. So I asked for the confirmed right. Jianhui67 Talk 14:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Just the 4 days. INeverCry 14:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
And by the way, can I create Commons essays here? I would want to create the page Commons:Hat collecting to show the inappropriateness of hat collecting here and across other projects. Can I create it or I need to discuss it in the COM:VP page? Jianhui67 Talk 15:12, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't think you need to ask about that at VP. Just make sure you tag it with {{Essay}}. INeverCry 15:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
I have created the essay. See if it is okay or not. Jianhui67 Talk 12:19, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
There's an incomplete sentence in the second paragraph of the "cross-wiki" section. It's the second sentence which begins with "has been known." INeverCry 16:53, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

  Done. Fixed it. Jianhui67 Talk 01:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


why you deleted that amount of images in commons 2.5


the original author of the pictures is unknown!!!

the images are free in internet , the authors choose them to design their works based in these pictures , but all are free, they are not from the authors , don't delete again and revert please

Thepalerider2012 (talk) 01:16, 21 September 2013 (UTC))

Uhhhh...what? INeverCry 03:01, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

I said the images you deleted are under commons 2.5 license from portugal , im Br i known what im doing these images that you deleted wont give any kind of copyright problem to wikipédoia they are from commons share-alike documents ,please revert your deletions (Thepalerider2012 (talk) 05:24, 21 September 2013 (UTC))

If you're referring to images deleted in Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Thepalerider2012, you would have to post an undeletion request at COM:UDEL. INeverCry 15:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi INeverCry, can you help me to delete Category:Com/monsRoot as it is patent nonsense? Thanks. Jianhui67 Talk 15:58, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Delete what? INeverCry 16:03, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
See my contributions page and you can see a Category:Com/monsRoot page that needs to be deleted. I don't know why I cannot post the category page here. Jianhui67 Talk 16:06, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
  Done To include a category in a discussion you have to put a colon before it, like so: [[:Category:Com/monsRoot]]. INeverCry 16:10, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

deleting images

why did you delete my image? Jatlas (talk) 18:31, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Medicines found in fungi.png. INeverCry 18:36, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

...what a joke...

Category:Krudencům palác

Thanks! --Gampe (talk) 18:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 19:12, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Rollback feature images

Hi INeverCry. I have uploaded 3 images based on the Commons rollback feature.

Are my uploads okay? I used 'Paint' to modify those images and uploaded them here. Is there anything about rollback I can still upload? I will also upload autopatrol feature images when I have the autopatrol user right in the feature. Jianhui67 Talk 04:41, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Those look good to me. INeverCry 06:24, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Is there anything about the rollback feature that I can still upload? Jianhui67 Talk 06:29, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
You might do something for rollback in revision history, especially rollback of multiple edits. INeverCry 06:37, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Okay. I'll create the image and upload them soon. Is there anything that I can upload for autopatrol feature when I get the user right in the future. I see that autopatrol feature don't have images. Jianhui67 Talk 07:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
There's really not much to autopatrol. You have the exclamation point next to non-autopatrol edits in recent changes, and non-autopatrol creations are highlighted in new pages, and these go away with autopatrol, but any illustration of those would apply to the patroller right as much or more. INeverCry 07:45, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Uploaded 2 more images based on rollback.
Are they okay or not? Jianhui67 Talk 09:49, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
They look ok. INeverCry 17:05, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think there is anything else about Commons rollback feature I can still upload. Jianhui67 Talk 23:09, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks like you've covered it. INeverCry 23:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Biserica Sfânta Cuvioasă Parascheva.jpg

Hi INeverCry. You recently deleted the file from the subject as copyvio. Would you mind telling me were was the original found? Thanks.--Strainu (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC) INeverCry 16:53, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

File talk pages that's being inappropriately used.

Hi. Thanks for dealing with the talk page at File:Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson on board Norge.jpg. I think there's something similar going on over at File talk:Edvard Munch 1933-2.jpg. Could you look at that? I don't speak French, but Google Translate indicates that the talk page comment at that image's talk isn't constructive. Manxruler (talk) 23:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 23:24, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Manxruler (talk) 23:40, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi INeverCry. May I ask if you can give me the autopatrol user right? I know I'm far short from 500 edits, as I only have 330+ edits. So I'm not sure to request for it or not. I have a whole bunch of Wikipedia pending changes photos that I will want to upload on Wikipedia and Commons and I would want my work to be automatically patrolled. Thanks. Jianhui67 Talk 13:51, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 16:55, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I will not dissapoint the trust given by you. Jianhui67 Talk 08:45, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

File:3D scanning and printing process.jpg

The file File:3D scanning and printing process.jpg has been nominated and listed in the DR that you've closed as 'deleted', but you've forgotten to delete it. --Eleassar (t/p) 22:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Done -FASTILY 22:02, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. --Eleassar (t/p) 22:04, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Old and New in Union Street. - - 128852.jpg

Can you please restore this file so I can upload a new version with the copyrighted portion blurred (and you can then re-delete the original). I still don't agree that deletion of this sort of copyright violation is remotely necessary given the facts of the matter, but uploading it with that part blurred will at least retain for Commons the other historically valuable (if not unique) visual details that were otherwise lost because of this deletion, and are unambiguously free of copyright. Ultra7 (talk) 10:41, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

  Done Let me know when you've done the re-upload, etc. INeverCry 17:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Done. Or at least one version in the history is - my browser is never seemingly able to handle these sorts of things in real time, for some reason it's now displaying the current version as the original unblurred one, even though both recent uploads were of the exact same blurred file from my end (as can be seen by the file size). Ultra7 (talk) 20:40, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
I've deleted the copyvio version. INeverCry 22:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Well that's wierd. The main image is still showing the original to me, only the first version is blurred. But if it's blurred for you, I guess it's something to do with my comp. Ultra7 (talk) 11:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Burden of proof needs to be with the destructive editors.

What we're trying to do here is to build a great, free, online encyclopedia. When a wikipedia editor enters a new paragraph of text, they can't steal the copyright work of others. That's something that most of us would agree on. However, a second editor can't delete the work of the first editor because the original editor didn't prove there is no copyright violation. If an editor is going to do something destructive, like delete a paragraph of another editor, then the burden of proof must be with the editor who is destroying the work of the constructive editor. People who want to remove the work of other editors need to have a very good reason to do so.

The more hoops we ask editors to jump through, the fewer edits we're going to get. Over the past few years the number of editors of the English language version of has dropped significantly. If we want to reverse this, we should refrain from deleting the work of editors unless we have a very good reason. If someone has made up a silly rule that suggests the burden of proof is with constructive editors rather than with people who enjoy destroying the work of others, then thinking people should work towards getting the rule changed and not blindly following it. To what extent do you think that corporate special interests have been involved in constructing the current set of rules on wikipedia regarding image copyright?

If we successfully get the rules changed back to ensuring that the burden of proof is with with destructive editors, will you then restore all the images that you've deleted? Will you apologise to all the constructive editors whose work you destroyed?

Please don't ever again delete an image unless you have proof of copy-right violation.

Regards Aberdeen01 (talk) 05:45, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

The burden of proof that an image is not copyrighted lies with the uploader. Please see here and here. Hope that helps. Rodhullandemu (talk) 11:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Nucleo Irma Brigida.jpg

Good night! I would like to inform you that the author of the image has already sent a permission to use this image to OTRS. Could you direct me what to do now? (Excuse me for my English, as it is not my primary language) Thanks! Luidje (talk) 21:50, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

You;ll have to wait until the OTRS permission is confirmed. You can ask about progress at COM:OTRS/N. It can take a week or more. INeverCry 22:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, very much! Luidje (talk) 06:04, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Dont touch my pictures again!!

My pictures don´t have any problem.

Please, don´t touch them again, never!!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jairo N Rodrigues (talk • contribs) 09:30, September 29, 2013‎ (UTC)
I see you re-uploaded files that were deleted via Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Jairo N Rodrigues. This is against policy here on Commons. I've re-deleted them. If you are the copyright holder, please contact COM:OTRS and provide permission. If permission is confirmed, the files can be restored. If you re-upload them again, you're account will be blocked. INeverCry 17:59, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

"Vandalised German election poster"

Could you please explain why you have deleted this picture, without addressing any of the counter arguments that I presented. As far as the guidelines on Derivative Works go, it's OK. Brigade Piron (talk) 11:40, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

This is a photo of a poster which contains a copyrighted photo. From my reading of COM:DW, this is not ok. My reading of German FoP tells me that this was not intended for permanent display, and isn't covered by that either. If you disagree please feel free to get more opinions by posting at COM:UDEL. INeverCry 17:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

File:Nemanja Mitrovic01.jpg

Hello INeverCry, sorry but I'm writing you to ask about File:Nemanja Mitrovic01.jpg...I don't think it's ok...Thank you very much, --Delfort (talk) 21:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I've deleted it. INeverCry 22:30, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


FYI bugzilla:54876. In case you wonder why you can't access your own logs. It should be solved soon. Trijnsteltalk 11:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I went to bed after the hassle of changing passwords, so I might as well wake up to some other problem.   INeverCry 16:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Puma Energy Logo.jpg

Hi INeverCry, just looking for some clarification of your reasons for deleting this logo: threshold of originality? It's copyrighted and I can provide proof of such if necessary. Thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 15:28, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I should make clear that I represent Puma Energy in a PR capacity, working at Bell Pottinger. Thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 15:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
If you want the image to be hosted on Commons, a quick email to COM:OTRS providing permission for hosting the image under a free license is all you need to do. When it's confirmed, the image can be restored. INeverCry 16:23, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 17:38, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Get well

I'm sorry for [1], but I'm happy that you took this step sooner rather than later if you didn't manage to downscale your work (something I totally understand). Sometimes we tend to forget what consequences excessive work can have on our project colleagues and friends... Get well! --Nemo 07:10, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

+1 and thanks for the work you have done. --99of9 (talk) 13:10, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
We'll miss you and hope you'll come by at times to let us know how you're doing. You really got things done here! We hope (talk) 16:12, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Your health is the most important thing, above all. Thanks for everything and take care. With love, Trijnsteltalk 20:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
+1, Thanks for everything --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:16, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for all the work that you have done and get well. I have sincerely appreciated you as an administrator and a colleague here. --Eleassar (t/p) 20:29, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, and all the best! Amalthea 02:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Well it is very sad to see one of the greatest and helpful admin leave Commons. You have supported me since I came here. Take care of your health and get well soon. We appreciate all the work and deletions you have done here and on English Wikipedia. Good luck in your future and thanks. I see that there is no bot to do archiving of Commons:Requests for rights requests and you have been doing the archiving. Don't worry, I'll do all the archiving. Jianhui67 Talk 04:33, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I have to agree with people with the people above me. Thanks for everything you've did in the past and I only may hope you return in the future. --Wiki13 talk 20:16, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Dear INeverCry, though I am shocked and sad to hear about that, I fully support your decision, as you (and your health) are more important than Commons or whatever website. We tend to forget that and to self-exploit ourselves. All the best for you. --Túrelio (talk) 20:14, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
I hope you will soon recover from these health issues and have some great time in the real world. The experience you collected here can be certainly of use in some situations. Thanks for all the work you did and your kindness. It was a pleasure working with you. Best regards -- Rillke(q?) 19:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I am sorry to hear about your health issues, and I hope you return to good health as soon as possible. You will be missed here and I hope you know that you always have a home among us. Skeezix1000 (talk) 22:33, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
You never cry, but I cried, when I saw, that you have left. Now I understand, why you said to me this. Unfortunately I am not able to take over you position, because I have no bot. Taivo (talk) 16:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Get well soon, and thanks a lot for your great work at Commons and WP. De728631 (talk) 18:09, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I got rather shocked :( ,when I saw your Retirement message on the Home page,You were a Great & helpful Editor,Get Well Soon and Return Back Soon.May the Blessings of Noble Triple Gem Be Always With You!!! / May God Bless You !!!
With Kindness.MediaJet talk 15:47, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for all your work here, INC. It's been a pleasure working with you, and I hope you one day find your back way to Commons. Take care my friend, FASTILY 23:46, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Hope you come back with a better health and enthusiasm. JKadavoor Jee 14:48, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
I also want to thank you for the work on Commons. And I believe that you will return. Best regards, — Stas1995 (talk) 00:10, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Getter better soon. Best wishes Hekerui (talk) 19:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


  The Commons Barnstar
I hereby award INeverCry the Commons Barnstar – for your tireless work. The community can be proud to have you as a member. --Jean11 (talk) 19:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Admin's Barnstar
Great admin Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 02:46, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Barnstar of Diligence
I hereby award INeverCry the barnstar of dilligence for being a good admin on both English Wikipedia and Commons, and also all your work here. Good luck and thanks. Jianhui67 Talk 04:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)



It seems that you forgot to delete the file of this DR when you close it. Could you check please?

Thks. Creasy (talk) 13:14, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Another upload from a sockfarm

Hi INeverCry, you had blocked socks of Shivamevolution (talk · contribs) per your CU finding and also deleted the flickr washed image, now another image from the same flickr account has been uploaded by a new account RevengeTimeComes (talk · contribs), can you take a look again, please? There's no doubt that the modus operandi is the same -- same flickr account and same OTRS email, but there's serious doubts on the veracity, especially after the my upload, not mine case earlier. I've blocked the earlier sock set of four accounts on, haven't blocked this yet. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 17:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

... --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:21, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, didn't see that when I posted. —SpacemanSpiff 03:40, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi SpacemanSpiff. I checked them and they're certainly confirmed. Trijnsteltalk 11:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

File:Alain Marchand - Navigateur.jpg


you have been involved in the Deletion Request for File:Alain Marchand - Navigateur.jpg (Commons:Deletion requests/File:Alain Marchand - Navigateur.jpg), which was deleted as out of scope. However, it appears that the subject of the photograph is notable enough to warrant an article on fr: (fr:Alain Marchand); there was a request on IRC to restore the image and use it on this article. I discretionally have done so, as the case seems clear-cut to me, but do not hesitate to re-open the deletion request if you see fit. Cheers! Rama (talk) 10:05, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


Hello what has happened to the files that used to be at Category:Sexual penetrative use of bananas? Orrlingtalk 14:57, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Karl Völker Bahnhof.jpg

INeverCry, you closed Commons:Deletion requests/File:Karl Völker Bahnhof.jpg as deleted on 2013-09-08, but File:Karl Völker Bahnhof.jpg was never deleted and is still tagged with{{Delete}}. Presumably this is just an oversight, but I figured I should probably bring it to your attention. —RP88 22:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

It seems INeverCry retired, or inactive since one month, so better you contact another admin. JKadavoor Jee 02:35, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

  May I be the first but I hope not the last to say welcome back, friend! :-) We hope (talk) 22:11, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! It's nice to see you. INeverCry 22:37, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Glad to see you back!!! A great news indeed. Hope you are going well now. JKadavoor Jee 02:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
  Hello! Look who's back! Enclosed, you'll find a picture showing how happy I look right now. (Well, not really my picture...)

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 14:04, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. INeverCry 20:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


Just have a question here, do you use RTRC? I am not sure how to use it to patrol unpatrolled edits. JianhuiMobile (talk) 17:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

IDK. INeverCry 20:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Jianhui67 perhaps this might help. You need to be a patroller to patrol edits. Sportsguy17 (talk) 20:50, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
He is a patroller. @Jianhui67, I suggest that you contact Krinkle about this. Trijnsteltalk 21:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I have been using the same old way, Special:RecentChanges, to patrol edits. But I find that RTRC can be quite useful to me. Just that I'm not sure how to use it. JianhuiMobile (talk) 02:13, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Try go to User:Krinkle/RTRC (maybe the mobile version doesn't work). And there should be something like (sorry for the typo). --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 09:01, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Nah, I don't patrol edits with my mobile phone. My mobile account does not have the patroller right. I'll try it out tomorrow on my main account when I have time. I just need any administrator to grant my mobile account the autopatrolled permission. Anyways, thanks for your help. JianhuiMobile (talk) 16:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:WelcometoChristmas(MI)sign.jpg

That sign dates back at least to 1977 upon further family research on location in AuTrain Township, Michigan, US. Imzadi 1979  01:00, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

You may be right. Is there any way to show evidence of this? You may also want to post a request at COM:UDEL to get other opinions. INeverCry 01:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


thank you! I appreciate it. I'm fixing some images from Wikimedia Spain and sorry for the flood. :S Laura Fiorucci (talk) 01:21, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 01:24, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar for you!

  The Commons Barnstar
I'm glad to see you're admin again! :D 레비ReviD✉CM 03:44, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. INeverCry 03:57, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

File:Phosphorus cycle.png

Possibly no great loss that you deleted this, but the discussion of it was apparently scattered over a number of places, and I certainly think that my edits to the file page had adequately addressed the issues in question. In particular, do see Commons:Help_desk/Archive/2013/11#help_with_uploading.2Fattribution. The uploader said, "If no one is willing to make the needed changes, then I'd rather just delete it than waste hours on trying to figure it out myself." It seems to me that, given that I made the needed changes, the file should have been kept. - Jmabel ! talk 04:43, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

  Restored INeverCry 04:53, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I realize this was a mess: she started discussions in at least three places, maybe more. - Jmabel ! talk 04:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Belarus-Minsk-Opera and Ballet Theatre-2.jpg

Hi, can you please undelete Commons:Deletion requests/File:Belarus-Minsk-Opera and Ballet Theatre-2.jpg? The comment at the talk page of this DR is correct. Thank you. --Eleassar (t/p) 12:19, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 19:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi INeverCry, I left 2 autopatrolled requests for my alternative accounts on COM:RFR 4 days ago but no administrator have attended my requests. I also see quite a lot of requests pending for a long time, and as long as 20 days. Will you please take a look? Thanks. JianhuiMobile (talk) 15:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 19:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Commons: Deletion requests/Spirituals Singers Band - Fare You Well (koncert w Wiesbaden, Niemcy).webm

Hello! Can You please kindly explain why have You deleted the file:,_Niemcy%29.webm&action=edit&redlink=1 along with its 'file talk'? Mr. Janusz Cedro has sent apropriate message to on 2013-11-14 in which he stated:

"I agree to publish that work under the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)."

This file is also present at his Youtube channel for a long time:

Can You please undelete this file? Thank You!

  Restored Looks like a mistake related to the timing of the removal of the copyvio tag. Sorry about that. INeverCry 00:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bobby Schuller in Apledoorn NL.jpg

You closed this as delete but only deleted a redirect to the file (probably because someone decided to move it while the discussion was going on). Could you take a look at this? --Stefan4 (talk) 23:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 00:17, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Commons: Deletion requests/File:Występ zespołu poezji śpierwanej Ponad Nami.jpg

Hello! Can You please kindly explain why have You deleted the file:ęp_zespołu_poezji_śpierwanej_Ponad_Nami.jpg? Mr. Janusz Cedro has sent apropriate message to on 2013-11-14. He also received following message back from them:

"From: Permissions - Wikimedia Commons [2] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:58 PM To: januszcedro@********.*** Subject: Re: [Ticket#2013111410018259] Declaration of consent- Janusz Cedro . Występ zespołu poezji śpierwanej Ponad Nami.jpg

Dear janusz cedro, I have made the necessary modifications to the file page. Thank you for your contribution to the Wikimedia Commons. Yours sincerely, Aubrey Jett"

I'd like to understand, why this file has been deleted anyway... Thank You.

  Restored Looks like a mistake related to the timing of the removal of the copyvio tag. Sorry about that. INeverCry 00:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of pic/page

Hi I never cry hope you are doing great. This is with regard to the picture/page you deleted from the article Gopichand Lagadapati .Prove me wrong but what I am just feeling is that You have missed the basic rule of being a constructive editor by deleting the page/picture with out opening a discussion .I would have been more than happy to answer your quires if you had opened a discussion. The film is yet to release so I decided not to put most of the pics for public use..You wont find any of the pics uploaded by me in google images as they were maintained as pvt albums. .Now i have edited the pic in google Picasso before i uploaded.Hope you understand .ThanksRock (talk) 8:04, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Upon uploading this image, you indicated it was your own work. When questioned though, you stated: "I got a permission from Gopichand Lagadapati to use this pic. Who is the photographer? INeverCry 03:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Its quite complicated to say ..He stays far from media which is when i convinced him that i would represent him till i take this article to a certain level.Provide me an email address, for your convenience I would get video from him that he don't have any objection to use these pics. provide proper wiki email to send you the pvt link as the pics i am using are from his pvt social networking album.I can't compromise his privacy.Offer me best solution. out of two so both of us need not waste time on one article. ThanksRock (talk) 8:59am, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
See COM:OTRS. INeverCry 03:34, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello , I Never Cry! I Have forwarded the mail of Mr.Gopichand Lagadapati granting me his permission to use the photographs that were facing copy right issues .He also gave his consent to use all these photographs under free licence category. Kindly look into the mail at . Also do let me know if i can upload the pictures or wait till i receive further instructions or notice from wiki. Thankyou Rock (talk) 16:06, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
All you have to do now is wait for an OTRS member to process the email/permission and take care of everything (I'm not an OTRS member myself btw). You can ask about progress at the OTRS noticeboard. INeverCry 19:48, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Please undelete

Can You please kindly explain why have You deleted the file . Thanks.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Adryanbarbe (talk • contribs) 13:38, November 26, 2013‎ (UTC)
It was deleted because it had a copyright watermark at bottom right. INeverCry 00:15, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

What to do with

What to do with these contribs? Some file have unneccessary geo coords.--Hans Haase (talk) 20:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the worst have been sent to DR. INeverCry 01:38, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Hi INeverCry! Welcome back! Great to see you again! Jianhui67 talkcontribs 09:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, welcome back! Nice to see that you're around again. Trijnsteltalk 11:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Welcome back! I believed that you will return! St1995 13:55, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. My health's still not very good though, so I'll only be doing a few things now and then. INeverCry 20:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

WELCOME BACK!!! EVERYONE MISSES YOU. WE ALL MISSED YOU!!! Sportsguy17 (talk) 20:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Let me join the throng in welcoming you back -- there's certainly plenty to do. If we had known you were back, Trinjstel and I would have invited you into the discussion that led to our nominations. I saw your votes there -- that's where I first saw you were back. Thank you for your support. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 00:15, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

It's good to hear from you Jim. I've got rid of a few DRs, but we definitely need reinforcements. Where such people are to be found, I don't know. As for the CU noms, both of those guys look good to me. meta:User:Abuse filter might still be a decent idea though. INeverCry 00:28, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
It sure is, but we need community consensus for that. Maybe I should create a RFC when I have time (no idea when that will be). Trijnsteltalk 21:46, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Let me know if/when you do an RFC. I can comment as needed and support it. You have "pro" spammers on the internet advertising XRumer runs of 10000+ spambot accts, and they never stop hitting Commons, so why not have an automated answer of our own? I was doing 1000+ checks per month on spambot accts alone; that's a lot of work. Taking some of that load off of checkusers would allow them to focus on sockmasters and admin/other work. INeverCry 22:01, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Have a break...have a Kit Kat

Welcome back! Take your time. Health issues are no jokes. Anika (talk) 10:05, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Anika. I've "slowed my roll" a little bit. If people knew how their bodies would feel later on, I think they'd learn to enjoy their teens and twenties a lot more (or they'd drink and party a lot less  ). INeverCry 21:06, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Anatol Anikeychyk

File:1999. Stamp of Belarus 0307.jpg is {{PD-BY-exempt}}. This template was standing there, but you still have removed even without discussion. I think it's negligence. Eleassar requests to delete files in very large quantities, administrators quickly removed them without discussion. People who care about this images more than you, just do not have time to deal with such a flow. And all the less we want to upload something to Commons. Please be careful and responsible.--Хомелка (talk) 13:25, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Хомелка. I'm sorry I've upset you. I really do try to be as careful as I can. I deleted these because the DR was 2 weeks old and uncontested. I've closed several hundred like it since I returned from my break. With my volume of work, I know errors happen, but I try to keep them to a minimum. If you can address Eleassar's argument, and provide a reason for restoring this image, I'd be happy to do so. INeverCry 21:29, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
In my opinion, this is a similar case as Commons:Deletion requests/File:Stamps of the United Nations, 2010-Slovenia.jpg‎. An institution or a government can make its work pd, but can't give reproductions of third-party works to the public domain. See also for example this article (provided by Stefan4) about how a sculptor successfully sued the post in the United States due to the appearance of one of his sculptures on a stamp. --Eleassar (t/p) 13:34, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Recent deletion

Could you take a careful look at the deleted file at Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Dipepb_mar_15.jpg? The blogspot image you link to is strangely blown up, making it visibly pixelated and I believe the original version on Commons was less cropped on the bottom of the portrait. I can also find no date on the file which seems odd too. -- (talk) 21:09, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, from google search I can't find anything that pre-dates the copy here. But a 35kb professional portrait, with no EXIF, the author given as "roberto rodriguez sauceda", the single upload of a user whose name isn't really a match, gives me pause. INeverCry 21:20, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Could you then correct your deletion closure? The image on the blog you have referred to is unlikely to be the original image and it seems misleading to leave it looking like that. Thanks -- (talk) 21:33, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Why not rewind time when you can? I've restored the image and CSD, and commented in the DR. INeverCry 21:40, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of File:Castanea pumila nsh-1a.jpg

Sorry, is a US Gov. picture [3]; so is public domain. Please, reset deletion. Regards.--philmarin (talk) 22:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

This was CSD tagged with: copyvio|1=Image is obviously not in the public domain - author is stated here by High Contrast. You'll have to talk to him if you disagree or post at COM:UDEL. INeverCry 23:36, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
  Done I have undeleted this file because we have now a valid source that this image is really not copyrighted. philmarin is twisting facts - he did never mention this. If he would have given this link before, this file wasn't deleted. --High Contrast (talk) 15:04, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

File:Eytan Majar.jpg

Hi INeverCry, This picture was deleted by you yesterday. According to the template there are 7 day to send a permission. A permission was received several hours later. I would appreciate if next time you will Wait the 7 days before deleting. Thanks Hanay (talk) 09:01, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I deleted it per this speedy tag. INeverCry 18:02, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thank you so much for helping me by deleting the images I nominated for deletion ! Sincerely, Hoikka1 (talk) 10:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm glad I could help. INeverCry 18:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi, I am not sure if this username is allowed. Blocking or not? --Steinsplitter (talk) 12:48, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That would be a misleading username without the extra i. JianhuiMobile (talk) 17:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
You were definitely right to block the acct. INeverCry 18:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks :) --Steinsplitter (talk) 18:57, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Deletion please

I see you concured with my deletion request: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Italy Vatican - Creative Commons by gnuckx (3492606518).jpg. But I thought that whoever would delete it, will notice those two:

Can you round this up please? Danny lost (talk) 19:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I may have been mistaken with that one. I'll talk to the uploader. In future, fyi, you can use this to nominate multiple files for deletion at the same time. INeverCry 19:29, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Deleted file: PS Dausenau.gif


you deleted the above named file last night:

22:37, 2. Dez. 2013 INeverCry (Diskussion | Beiträge) löschte Seite File:PS Dausenau.gif (Copyright violation, see Commons:Licensing) (global usage; delinker log)

I don´t understand why. In my opinion there is no copyright violation. The file is a scan from my pilgrim´s passport of a German Way of Saint James.

Maybe you could undelete the file.

Thanx a lot. --Woscho (talk) 08:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

This logo was deleted because it exceeds COM:TOO. INeverCry 20:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


Hi INeverCry,

I would like you to reconsider your decision. At Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory#Romania, the last paragraph clearly states: "These terms [from the previous laws] were not extended by the new law for works that were already in the public domain, putting the work of any author who died before January 1st, 1946 in the public domain.". At the talk page I brought considerable evidence that this indeed is the case, including a decision by a court that confirmed this.--Strainu (talk) 08:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 20:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your understanding. While this might not be of any significance for all the DRs you go through every day, for me it is very important to have as many free pictures as I possibly can within the limits of the Romanian law. Thanks again.--Strainu (talk) 22:10, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for helping me get that right. INeverCry 23:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

DJ Gerardo Sanchez

Hi, could you take another look at the pile of DRs from The Photographer that you processed in relation to this DJ (I think all on 15 Nov, such as Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 3.jpg)? I find he has a healthy internet footprint and articles such as this indicate that a selection of photos from him would have distinct educational and re-use value and the rationale "Commons is not Facebook" may be misplaced.

...After a bit of fiddling about, I managed to pull this list of 36 deletions.

  1. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez &.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  2. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez (pic.2).jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  3. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez -.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  4. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez - Phootshoot.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  5. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez - Phootshoot 2.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  6. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez - Pic.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  7. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez - Picture.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  8. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 1.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  9. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 10.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  10. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 11.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  11. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 12.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  12. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 13.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  13. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 14.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  14. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 15.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  15. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 16.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  16. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 17.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  17. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 18.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  18. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 19.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  19. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 2.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  20. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 20.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  21. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 22.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  22. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 23.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  23. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 24.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  24. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 3.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  25. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 333.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  26. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 4.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  27. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 444.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  28. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 5.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  29. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 6.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  30. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 7.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  31. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 8.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  32. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez 9.JPG—Deleted: INeverCry
  33. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez @.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  34. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez @ Scratch DJ Academy.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  35. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez at a phootshoot.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry
  36. Commons:Deletion requests/File:DJ Gerardo Sanchez on Guess.jpg—Deleted: INeverCry

Thanks -- (talk) 11:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Google search doesn't show anything that would indicate real notability. I usually look for someone like this to atleast have a wiki article in their native language. I know we have articles on notable DJs on and, and with images. Those could fill the role of stock images if needed. I think The Photographer does a good job with these out of scope DRs overall. I think the above images are definitely out of scope. INeverCry 19:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
This viewpoint does seem close to mixing "real notability" with the idea that photographs on Commons are intended to support the English Wikipedia definitions of notability. Personally I see a footprint that includes significant impact on the music scene, and I don't expect to have to provide a Wikipedia article with multiple reliable sources before considering a portrait photograph to be in-scope for this project. -- (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
It's difficult to draw a line on notability of people as it pertains to Commons scope. My take on it is that there are numerous DJs with wiki articles who we can be sure are notable. There are of course many more who have no article, but who might be close to having one, and even more who just aren't there yet. At what point is someone notable enough not to make Commons uploads seem like promotion? I just always figured a wiki article was a decent enough or safe gauge. In any event, 36 images of the guy seems a bit much. INeverCry 21:36, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Eliminação fotos

Caro colega,

Vi que eliminou as fotos que estavam no commons, embora tenha feito alusão a que o autor das mesmas iria enviar um email de autorização das fotos. E que, de facto, foi enviado.

Agora, queria saber como vc pode ajudar-me!


Jlucimar (talk) 16:20, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

If you've sent an email to COM:OTRS, an OTRS member will deal with it and restore the images if everything checks out. You can ask about progress at COM:OTRS/N. INeverCry 19:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: Autopatrolled

Thank you very much! :) --Sphenodon (talk) 23:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 23:38, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: Autopatrol given

Thanks for the autopatrol rights! Regards, Thommy (talk) 00:06, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 00:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: Autopatrol

Thanks for the autopatrol right! Zeete (talk) 11:48, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 18:57, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

November 27 deletions

You closed several items as keep literally at the same time as I was writing out a   Delete for them... Sven Manguard Wha? 19:53, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

That's certainly something nobody's ever said to me before. I try to use my keep button every once in a while to stop it from freezing up.   INeverCry 20:01, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Your health

Hi there INeverCry, I hope you are well now. How's your health? I saw you putting up that 'user health inactive' notice on your talk page. If you really cannot overwork, then don't overwork. Your health and fitness is the most important of all things. Good luck with your recovery! Jianhui67 talkcontribs 04:50, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

+1. Take care. JKadavoor Jee 05:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Feel better soon, I hope that everything will be just fine--Хомелка (talk) 06:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I just can't do it like I used to. Hopefully we can find more new (or old) admins to take care of deletions. INeverCry 20:41, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I might become one in ??? time. I focus primarily on anti-vandalism and patrolling work. I also do all the archiving of COM:RFR. JianhuiMobile (talk) 03:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
If that's what you want, I'm sure you can achieve it. INeverCry 19:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Also +1. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 10:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. INeverCry 19:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Too bad I placed a Wikibreak enforcer on my en-wp. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 18:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Hey man

Porque as fotos foram removidas se o autor as autorizou??????

Responda-me por favor!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlucimar (talk • contribs) 09:33, December 6, 2013‎ (UTC)
I don't speak Spanish. You can ask a Spanish-speaking admin, or you can ask me in English. You may want to link whatever file or files are at issue. INeverCry 17:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Shenyang J-31

Hi, you've already deleted the pic, while i was busy checking it. It seems to be a crop from 20120916050427503.jpg, but there are some details making me curios. First - the uploaded pic is larger than the supposed original. Second - it shows brighter colours and even the grass in the foreground looks more detailed. Third - whereas none of them contains some Exif/IPTC data, the pic at the website has an strange comment "CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 80". This is not what i would expect from an original. So think theyare basing both on the same, not known original pic. rgds, --Markscheider (talk) 18:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree. 800 × 493 (159kb) is a web grab most likely. Deleted per COM:PRP. INeverCry 18:59, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Certainly. But with all due respect it could not be copied from the website that User:OpenBox cited. --Markscheider (talk) 19:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Request for review of two deletions

Greetings! You recently deleted two files, File:Republican Elephant 2D.jpg and File:Republican Elephant 3D.jpg. These were nominated as license laundering; they were sourced to Flickr.

I do not think the commons-compliant license available on Flickr for these files is fraudulent. Both images had the author's handle on them, and prior to uploading I did a good faith Google images search and did non see any examples of uncropped versions that did not have the author's handle. The author's Flickr page, [4], appears to contain other original works as opposed to clearly copied/stolen images (please note that neither of these two images is the actual copyrighted logo of the US Republican Party). Can you please have a look, and undelete if you agree? Thanks! VQuakr (talk) 01:28, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

These are variations of, which is copyrighted. They don't have to be exactly the same. The license belongs to the Republican Party, not the Flickr acct. The Flickr acct is infinging the GOP copyright. INeverCry 02:30, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
I guess there is an opportunity for some learning here then on my part. The images I uploaded were clearly inspired by the Republican party symbol, sharing a stylized elephant shape featuring stars and a blue on top, red below motif. But they are also clearly different images. For relatively simple graphics like the 2d image, how different does a work have to be to avoid being a copyright violation? I would image this has come up before; is there a guide or something similar available on commons to help with this sort of evaluation? VQuakr (talk) 04:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm not aware of an exact guide here, but I usually deal with speedy deletions like the above where the case is clear. If someone told me the above 2 logos had been created by the GOP themselves, I'd believe it, they're that close to the original. You could ask about this at COM:VP - someone might know where to find more detailed info on this. INeverCry 07:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Deleted image

Hello. You deleted one of my pics: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Celine Dion Paris, Bercy 2013-11-25 01.jpg. The problem: this is not a screenshot, I made this on the concert on 25th November in Paris with so many others. Could you review this decision? - RepliCarter (talk) 10:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

If you mean the pictures in the background, they are also public photos from older concerts. - RepliCarter (talk) 10:34, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

After seeing this derivative work, I can't be quite sure you didn't photograph a screen at the concert. You can get more opinions at COM:UDEL. INeverCry 19:21, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

File:CocaCola C2.jpg

File:CocaCola C2.jpg was not a copyvio. If you had looked at the history, you would have seen that it was previously nominated for deletion and kept. To be fair, a previous admin did not properly add the {{Kept}} template to the talk page, so I can't fault you for not realizing that immediately. I have undeleted the file and created the talk page to hopefully prevent future deletion attempts. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 19:24, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Look at the history? Who does that?   INeverCry 04:05, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

File:Kleiner Feigling Flasche.jpg

Hi, this file has a valid OTRS permission on de.wp: de:Datei:Kleiner_Feigling_Flasche.jpg It was transferd from de.wp. Was the OTRS marking lost on commons? Please use Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard if you have any doubt about a permission via OTRS, instead of deleting files marked with OTRS immediatly. thanks, --Wdwd (talk) 09:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

I've restored it and removed the {{Logo}} tag. INeverCry 15:45, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


As long that guy does nothing harmful here, you should not block him. Although many of his files have an incorrect by file format, he uploads often pretty interesting and hard to find images. I'll monitor his uploads, as I am interested in that topic. As there a page with a list of his sockpuppets?--Antemister (talk) 21:34, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Looks like Zscout blocked him originally. He may have had a chance at an unblock before he began socking, but now I doubt it. His socks are here. INeverCry 22:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


I see that you are back at #2 on the monthly activity list -- that's very welcome, but please take it easy and don't burn out again. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 15:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

  • I second this (some pun intended), your contribution to the project is fantastic and valued, but your well being is more important. Liamdavies (talk) 17:46, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Jim and Liam. I guess that me "cutting down" is still a pretty insane ammount of work, but I'm really doing much less than I did in the past. I'm a bit compulsive of course, but I'll try not to overdo it. INeverCry 20:56, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Clarification of Deletion Nominations Requested

In a recent deletion request, I voted to keep. Your reasoning for deleting it was "The above keep vote doesn't actually give any reason that the file would actually be in scope." While I agree 100% with your statement, I was under the impression I didn't have to.

Maybe I'm way off, but I thought the person doing the deletion nomination had to give the reason it was out of scope. If this reason was then refuted and shown to be invalid (as I think I did do), then the deletion nomination was incorrect and hence there was no reason to for the file to be deleted.

I've seen and closed many DRs in which the nom was simply "out of scope". I take such DRs, and the above DR (in which the nominator referred to the uploader's other uploads as racist garbage, and merely expressed general doubt about the image in question being in scope), to mean that the image has no educational value. In order to keep a file where doubt of scope was raised, I would ecpect that educational value would have to be demonstrated. INeverCry 05:30, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, I guess that's where we differ in the iterpretation of the nom. Because the nom mentions "other uploads as racist garbage" I believed the reason for the nom was it might be offensive to someone and should be censored, which is not policy.

While the nom does say out of scope, it does not say no educational value. There are other reasons for a file being out of scope, such a copyvio, or not being a media file. When I do a nomination which I feel has no educational value, I state that. I guess Magog was in a hurry that day. --Rsberzerker (talk) 12:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Undeletion requests/Current requests#3 files with OTRS permission

Hi, you did not gave the chanse to answre. Please read my answer ther. Thanks. Hanay (talk) 20:17, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted my close. INeverCry 20:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. He is a new user in he:wiki and he is still learning how to do things. He promised me that in the future he will upload pictures that were never published before. Hanay (talk) 20:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Files uploaded by HDM820Zx

Hello, you have removed my pictures uploaded by me. These pictures I use for page that I created.

These are my shooting. Can I ask you to restore them. Thank you!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by HDM820Zx (talk • contribs) 06:48, December 12, 2013‎ (UTC)
These were deleted via deletion request. Since these are professionally done pics, you'll have to contact COM:OTRS to confirm permission for them. If everything checks out, an OTRS member can restore the images. INeverCry 18:11, 12 December 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for granting me filemover status. I just wanted to say too that I also have health issues, and don't get back to this place for days or weeks at a time. You sure seem to manage your energy well! Best wishes. Laura1822 (talk) 16:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Laura. Here's hoping we both get better soon.   INeverCry 18:06, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Appealing recent deletions of Czech maps

Hello, I would like to ask you for a detailed explanation of the reasons for which you have recently deleted several files, mostly maps of the Czech Republic, uploaded by User:Mapového náložník and in existence here for several years. Some of those maps are quite crucial for the Czech Wikipedia, e.g. background for the clickable map used for Wiki Loves Monuments in the Czech Republic. I cannot find any archived deletion proposal nor any reasoning for it except for the assertion that it was a copyright violation. I am not the original uploader, but the community has believed that those files are original work by the uploader based on PD sources – a belief that may be supported by the fact that the uploader has later further improved those maps and uploaded the updated versions to Commons. Marek BLAHUŠ (talk) 17:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

It's pretty clear that they are copyvios -- for example, File:Administrativni cleneni CR.JPG was lifted directly from [5] which has an explicit copyright notice. File:Kraje okresy.PNG was taken from [6] which is on the Masaryk University Information System web site. There is no copyright notice there, but, equally there is no free license. Under those circumstances, speedy deletion is required..     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 20:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Minimally second file was uploaded to MUNI in april 2013. JAn Dudík (talk) 21:17, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for trying to help on behalf of INeverCry. As I happen to work at Masaryk University (and can understand Czech), I know the teachers often use foreign content under provisions of the legislative exception for educative use, and I could easily find the document that encorporates the second image and in which its source is given as "ČSÚ", i.e. the Czech Statistical Office (CZSO in English). Indeed, CZSO uses that map and many derivates of it across their publications, such as [7] and [8]. For the data on their website, CZSO applies quite a permissive licence, which is not PD, but which, in my opinion, might be pronounced compatible with Wikimedia Commons license scope. I would need to ask more knowledgeable members of the Czech community for details, but according to my knowledge, consensus was reached in the past that this map is allowable. Therefore, our community has been surprised by this swift and unexplained move, giving us no time to either defend the present image or to get ready for its deletion (such as to produce an OpenStreetMap replacement, for which there is still no straight-forward solution, I'm afraid). Because of its difficulty, I am convinced that this particular case did not qualify for speedy deletion and that INeverCry acted without considering these facts. Marek BLAHUŠ (talk) 22:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
My reason for deleting these is as Jim says above. I would suggest posting a request at COM:UDEL so that these cases can be given more detailed consideration. INeverCry 22:45, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

My explanation in Czech is here. --Overal (talk) 10:11, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. To sum: Up I withdraw my appeal, as the deletion has allegedly been requested by the uploader itself (although using another user name today), who has acknowledged to have uploaded the files without seeking for permission from the copyright holder.
The only thing that keeps puzzling me now is why the deletion was so sudden and no traces whatsoever could be found for the reason of it, particularly if it is really the case that the deletion was made upon someone's direct request. I feel little discomfort over Wikipedia when I see that a file that has been uploaded for several years and is currently in use in a quite prominent location may get deleted immediately and without any notice nor even trace of explanation. Next time this risks disrupting Wikipedia quite seriously (imagine that this would have happened in September while Wiki Loves Monuments was still runing) and it requests permanent attention from the users who have initially volunteered their time to construct something (i.e. I am currently more or less the only editor of Czech Wikipedia who can fix the map template when it is broken). Marek BLAHUŠ (talk) 14:12, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


your symbol is not the same symbol as my symbol. let us keep good faith and remember the tatary. yes? what seems immortal can last seconds. let us not get excited. the british want siberia and moscow, it can happen. i am here to help, be mature, calm and respectful,

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs)
Profound. INeverCry 18:11, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


pse chk my recent DRs. I guess there are votes 4 more p0rn, thx. --Hans Haase (talk,express talk) 15:47, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

We'll see how these look after a week, when I go to close them, or someone else does. I can't override keep votes unless they're unreasonable. Not everyone's a deletionist like me.   INeverCry 18:10, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Flood flag?

Hi INeverCry. I saw that you are flooding the RC. Do you think there be a user right (flood flag) here? Jianhui67 talkcontribs 17:59, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm done for now, thankfully. You might want to ask at COM:VP or COM:AN about adding an option to preferences that would hide log entries from recent changes. As for hiding the talkpage edits, you could temporarily hide patrolled edits on recent changes if you see me or someone else working on the daily DRs. This particular case was just a big restore job from UDEL. INeverCry 18:06, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


Welcome back!   Trijnsteltalk 18:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. The spambots certainly haven't slowed down. Here I go... INeverCry 18:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Spambot attack!! With INeverCry around, spambot attack failed! And welcome back! JianhuiMobile (talk) 06:03, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. INeverCry 18:14, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy deletion thoughts

This looks like a standard courtesy deletion request. Unused image, requested for removal by the uploader (and presumably photographer; and according to him, on req. of the subject). Only 3 people weighed in on the topic; is it okay with you to reopen the discussion?

I think it's important for us to weigh the desire of the contributor, for photos with no evident value - and especially for photos of themselves. The alternative is simply mean, and discourages future contributors. --SJ+ 21:24, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I do courtesy deletions if someone's face is showing, or even an identifying tattoo, etc, but those factors were absent here. Considering this was the 3rd keep, and re-opening it will likely end in a 4th keep, I'd say let it go. But it's up to you. I would never stand in the way of re-opening a DR I've closed, unless it was done as abuse, which clearly isn't your intention. You may want to check with Leyo though. INeverCry 21:33, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
This image has been discussed the third time already. It does not qualify for courtsey deletion (Commons:Courtesy deletions is only a proposal anyway). Hence, I would consider reopening as disruptive. Sorry to be so clear. Since only uploads of the user date back to 2011 and he now wanted to have all remaining uploads deleted, it is unlikely that we risk to loose many quality future uploads. --Leyo 09:11, 14 December 2013 (UTC) PS. Unused applies to Wikimedia projects only. Other uses or references to the Commons page may not be seen.

Hello to you both. I see now the 5 images that were all proposed for deletion by the uploader. It is true that most of them have been proposed for deletion before -- not by the uploader. But I'm interested in how to respond to uploaders who request removal of their own work. These were the first DR requests by the uploader for all five photos. My understanding is that a user request to delete their own unused image is usually honored. Is this not the case? (and if not, what are other examples of such requests being rejected?)

@INeverCry For identifiable photos of people, that's more than courtesy; that is primarily a personality rights concern. Courtesy deletion as I understand it covers any contribution whose deletion is requested by the contributor.
@Leyo Yes, reuse is possible outside of Wikimedia projects. This is still a useful measure of value. Could you explain why you don't think this photo qualifies for courtesy deletion? It looks like a personal photo, replaceable, of middling quality, that is not in significant use on any project. --SJ+ 10:14, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
It may be worth bundling the DRs and addressing these as a series, so long as doing this is not thought to cause harm to the photographer and model.
Though a face may not be visible in the photographs, there is a lot of other data published with them. I did not want this on record in the DR, but having played around with EXIF data and traceability for a while (link to metadata with API here), I am concerned that back in 2008, the uploader cannot have been expected to know how much information this makes public, or just how easy it has become over the last few years to trace the images in the same sequence, dates, camera ID, through other websites. Running this as a 5 minute exercise this morning gives me an obvious candidate on a photo website giving real names and identifying photos, yet does not actually contain/publish the nude photos, which appears to be a serious outing risk.
I suggest that DR closers are a bit more aware of this as an real and increasing problem with ever improving internet search tools and itself should be a reasonable justification for courtesy deletions for photographs with nudity or might otherwise have obvious potential for distress or damage.
If the images were considered valuable for education we might discuss this differently and there may be steps suitable for reducing any outing risk (such as renaming and removing EXIF data); but these are discussions for other DRs. -- (talk) 11:05, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
@SJ: They are not replaceable since there are no similar (closeup) pictures in Category:Nude or partially nude females with fishnet stockings.
@Fæ: I would certainly not oppose removing the EXIF data; I support this idea. --Leyo 12:00, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Removing all the EXIF data, particularly anything that could be used to to support copyright, may be considered illegal under DMCA. (I say this acknowledging many websites like Instagram and Facebook are still doing this as a matter of course). Saffron Blaze (talk) 00:22, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Kristo.hiiemae

Err, you deleted these images in use before they were replaced. I suggest to restore these, then tag with {{Convert to wikitable}} and renominate once they are replaced. 17:44, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not that familiar with the replacement process. Delinker has already removed these from the article they were in. I don't want this to just sit in DR, etc, as they already did with no interest. If someone's ready to replace them, they can post a request at COM:UDEL. INeverCry 18:13, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Delinker action can be undone and DRs can be closed as kept for this time. These images were by new user unfamiliar with wiki buraucracy and it's DR/UDEL processes. It's more user friendly to let more experienced users to do the replacements in future like any other needed cleanup, instead of just deleting the content that needs to be cleaned up. 18:21, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Post a request at COM:UDEL. I have no objections. INeverCry 19:36, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Elephant graphics

We discussed two speedied images last week - File:Republican Elephant 2D.jpg and File:Republican Elephant 3D.jpg. There was a bit of discussion here, and it seems to me that the general agreement is that at the very least these are not blatant copyvios. Can you please undelete and (if you feel necessary) send to a regular deletion discussion instead? Thanks! VQuakr (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

The best option is to post an undeletion request. INeverCry 19:37, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

File:Wind Turbine Vortex Generator.jpg

Hi, could you please undilete this file for me. Permission is granted under ticket: ticket:2013121410007803. Thanks in advance. Natuur12 (talk) 14:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

  Done INeverCry 16:52, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, could you restore the file File:Logo Jugend gegen AIDS e.V..jpg as well? Permission is granted under ticket:2013121410007411 Natuur12 (talk) 14:51, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  Done This one needs a license. INeverCry 16:52, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks and I fixed the license. Natuur12 (talk) 17:04, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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