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Hey there! Just to let you know: interwiki redirects don't work on Wikimedia wikis, which is why your user page looks a bit odd. You can use {{soft redirect|w:User:Jason.nlw}} instead though. Microchip08 (talk) 13:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

That's great, Thanks for the tip!Jason.nlw (talk) 13:36, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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Deleting a previous versionEdit

Hi. I need some help please. Our organization were given rights on two images by a copyright holder and i uploaded them to commons. However the original copyright holders have requested that we replace the files with a lower resolution version. Out of respect to the copyright holders we wish to comply with the request and have uploaded a lower quality version. However the higher quality image still appears in image history on Commons. Can the previous version be deleted without having to delete the whole image? (which is in use in many articles)? Thanks Jason.nlw (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Moved from Commons talk:Deletion policy

Hi, first of all, what files were you talking about? Unless they have been uploaded less than a week earlier than your overwrites, replacing them with a lower-resolution version is considered a license revocation.    FDMS  4    20:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
FDMS4, thanks for moving this here. I believe this has already been covered by a discussion at Commons:Help desk. Green Giant (talk) 21:29, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
FDMS4Yes, Thank you. this issue has now been resolved.Cheers Jason.nlw (talk) 08:03, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

File:Beaumaris.jpeg and othersEdit

Hi;

Nice that you input many images of works of art but could you limit the categories to the ones relevant and not redundant. For instance in this image I had to remove non existant categories and others that are redundant with (like Wales with Beaumaris). Please use the most significant categories.

Pierre cb (talk) 01:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Pierre cb. Thanks for your message. These files are being added use the GLAM Wiki toolset which automatically detects categories from the metadata of the images. Either i have to add these images with no categories or accept that some will be non existent. Once the entire batch (about 5000) has been added there are wiki tools i can use to clean up the categories. Thanks for your help. Jason.nlw (talk) 08:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
OK. Pierre cb (talk) 14:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I've deleted the Category:Wales on all files, as a more specific cat is preferable eg Category:Aberystwyth Castle. I've also cleaned (cut, contrast and starighten) around a hundred images, mainly watercolours. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:24, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
When you do the cleanup, would you also change or remove the categories like Category:1770-1780? When will your upload be done? I know you plan to clean up the categories, but in the meantime other editors are seeing categories that aren't needed and creating them anyway. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks user:Llywelyn2000 and user:Auntof6 The upload is ongoing at the moment. About 2000 out of 5000 have uploaded in the last week, so it could take another week or more, A smaller upload will follow - mainly images which failed the first upload for one reason or another, but Sorting out the categories will be my priority once the upload is finished. Thanks for all the help and patience. This is a great collection of images which will hopefully enrich many Wales related articles in in many languages. Jason.nlw (talk) 16:31, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
A couple of suggestions: 1. '(Wales)' in brackets is not needed unless we need to disambig e.g. 'Category:Aberyswyth Castle' is better than 'Category:Aberyswyth Castle', yet 'Category:Bangor, Wales' is essential 2. 'Category:Wales' is not needed. 3. I think that 'Category:Watercolours from Wales painted 1770-1780' would be very useful - it is in line with similar such as 'Category:Photographs taken on 2002-08-31' or 'Category:Churches in Wales photographed in 2015'. Great to see such valuable images - diolch / thanks Jason! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 16:56, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
That sounds good. The images are very interesting, and I'm sure they'll be useful. One other thing that might help if you can do it: if you include Category:Welsh Landscape Collection, you don't need Category:National Library of Wales, because the first is a subcategory of the second. However, if it's too much trouble to take care of now, it can be done later. I already took Category:National Library of Wales off of some of them using AWB. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Would it be possible to finetune your robot to give more specific subcategories. You say that it uses the categories in the image but could you make links. For instance when it sees Storms, it gives category:Storms in art or category:Storms for lightning, etc.. since they all work of art? Pierre cb (talk) 19:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

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Image categorisationEdit

Hi Jason,

I really love all the images you're uploading, but could I please make one little request: please only add the most specific categories for an item, but not more general categories, if the relationship is already implied by a more specific category that you are adding.

So, for example, on File:The wonders of the Menai, in its suspension and tubular bridges.jpeg (lovely image),

but

etc

It really helps if we can keep higher-level categories as clear as possible, to make the things that should have new sub-categories created stand out, and to stop these higher-level categories becoming impossibly over-run with items.

I appreciate that this classification strategy is the opposite of the tagging strategy now used by most sane digital systems. Nevertheless, the classification approach is the foundation of the Commons system of human-readable sized categories; so if possible it would be good if some of the redundant super-categories could be removed. All best, Jheald (talk) 15:46, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks very much for your message, and for your clear and helpful advice on categories. I am aware of problems with categories on the Welsh Landscape Collection in particular, this was caused by the way the categories were mapped from subject fields in the metadata. In hindsight we would have done things differently, and myself and a few others are periodically trying to tidy up categories in this collection. Rest assured lessons have been learned and in future we will trial much smaller batches and spend more time getting the categories right.
Thank you for your help, and your interest in National Library of Wales Collections! Jason.nlw (talk) 16:05, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
It should be possible to write a bot script to detect and (optionally) remove super-categories from a given set of images. It's the kind of thing that User:Fæ could probably knock out in about five minutes! (Even if some of us mere mortals might find it more of a challenge...) Jheald (talk) 21:56, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I figured there must be a way. I will have to ask nicely to see if User:Fæ or some other tech wizard could do this for me. Thanks again Jason.nlw (talk) 08:56, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

National Library of WalesEdit

Hi - what's your reasoning behind the mass removal of images in Category:Images from the collection of the National Library of Wales?   An optimist on the run! 06:55, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Ignore that - I've just realised Category:Photographs by John Thomas is a sub-category.   An optimist on the run! 07:48, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Copyright status: File:1868 wanted poster.jpgEdit

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Yours sincerely, Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 06:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

TurnerEdit

Jason, just a note that your pic of Turner's Dolbadarn Castle came out red so I changed it back to the old version. Also, it needs the title to include the words study because that is what it is. See here: http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/turner-dolbadarn-castle-study-for-diploma-picture-tw0005 The final version of the painting, which is twice as large, is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:J.M.W._Turner_Dolbadern_Castle,_1800.jpg Thanks Philafrenzy (talk) 19:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Philafrenzy I take your point about the title but i take issue with reverting the image. The version I have uploaded was digitised and colour managed this week from the original painting at the National Library of Wales. It is the most accurate representation of the original available in digital form. Secondly, The National Library has released this high resolution image as part of Europeana 280 project and must be uploaded to Commons. If you insist on your version existing, we are going to end up with two versions with identical information, which is not ideal. Please let me know your thoughts. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 21:26, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
I have no problem with a better image at all. It came out bright red (or pink) all over. That was why I reverted it. How does it look to you? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:07, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy: It looks slightly saturated and lacking deep greens of my cheap chromebook (which does present as a pinky film) but ive just checked it on my smart phone it looks great - deep rich colours. It also looks good on my proper high res monitor at work. I will check again at work tomorrow, but i'm confident it will be good. The National Library has state of the art colour management software, so it really should be accurate. Maybe see if you can take a look on another devise? Your version, which was digitized several years ago from a 35mm colour slide is slightly too dark and the reds are not as rich as they should be (I saw the original not long ago). Let me know what you think, so i can either revert or re-upload. Cheers! Jason.nlw (talk) 22:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Just tried on Chrome, IE and mobile. All look fine but on Firefox (my version reports that it is up to date) your picture looks bright pink/red like only one channel is being picked up. But all of my other pictures look fine and all of your uploads look fine too. Please try it on Firefox and see if you can replicate. Philafrenzy (talk) 01:04, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy: I've just checked the image on firefox....WOW that is PINK!!!! I now completely understand why you reverted the image - my apologies. It appears that the problem is in the colour profile we used and firefox's inability to read it. We are going to change the profile and re-upload Asap. Hopefully this will resolve the issue. Thanks for your patience. Jason.nlw (talk) 09:38, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy: Ok, it looks like the latest version has fixed the problem. If your happy with this, i will leave this version in place, and we will keep the title as it is. Thanks for your help! Best Jason.nlw (talk) 10:46, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Looks good now. If only we had as good a picture of the final work at the Royal Academy. One day. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:08, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

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File:Shane Williams - David Griffiths.jpgEdit

hi, nice upload. it does strain credulity that a 2012 painting is CC-4.0 - you might want to confirm that the artist released his copyright for this work, by email using the com:OTRS system. thanks. Sudowoodoo (talk) 16:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks - yes you have reminded me to chase this up. We do have permission, i just need to get it on OTRS. I will try and do this soon. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 16:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

File:John Thomas (Photographer).jpgEdit

Further to my note on your Wikipedia talk page, a have a question about File:John Thomas (Photographer).jpg. You have identified the source of this image as [1], which us the same image as File:A group of walkers (?) NLW3366276.jpg (I have added an {{Extracted from}} tag to indicate this). However, your new image does not appear to be exactly the same as the group image: the man is looking more to the left, and the strap over his chest is partly obscured by the hat of the man in front. Can you check the source of this image? I think it must be from another plate taken on the same occasion. I haven't spotted this second plate in Category:Photographs by John Thomas, has the NLW's entire collection of John Thomas photographs been uploaded? Verbcatcher (talk) 21:37, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

HiVerbcatcher, thanks for looking into this. You clearly have a keen eye! Having looked into this there are indeed two different images. You can see them here and here. It is very possible one didn't upload as it has exactly the same title as the other. Much of this collection was uploaded by volunteers before my time so i cant be sure that all images are on Commons, but most are. I have added the other version to Commons File:A group of walkers. John Thomas.jpg and linked the cropped version to this, the correct image. I hope the clears things up. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 09:21, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

File:Cardiff castle, Glamorganshire (1133761).jpgEdit

Are you able to rescan File:Cardiff castle, Glamorganshire (1133761).jpg. I suspect that the psychedelic sky effect is caused by an interference pattern between the scanner resolution and the fine pattern of the engraving. Adjusting the scanner settings may resolve this. Alternative versions are here and here. Verbcatcher (talk) 22:14, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Several other scanned engravings show similar artefacts, for example:
               
I don't want to appear ungrateful, you're doing great work. Verbcatcher (talk) 22:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Verbcatcher, this problem is not as easy to fix i'm afraid. If i get time i will try uploading slightly higher quality versions as sometimes file compression can cause this distortion, but i know that there was a problem with some of these images when they were scanned, and as things stand the National Library wouldn't have the resources to go back and re scan. But again, thanks for highlighting the issue, and thank you for taking an interest in our image uploads. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 09:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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It appears the the library already has good scans and that rescanning is not required.

  1. Go to File:Cardiff castle, Glamorganshire (1133761).jpg
  2. Click on the link in You can view this image in its original context on the NLW Catalogue
  3. This gets you here
  4. If you zoom in using the + button then the patterning disappears and the fine detail of the engraving appears.

I have looked at a few other images and they all look ok at maximum enlargement.

The problem is with the software used to rescale the image. To avoid this sort of artifact the high-resolution image should be blurred before it is rescaled, to remove high-resolution detail that cannot be rendered at the lower resolution. The technical details are discussed in w:en:Anti-aliasing filter and in w:en:Multidimensional sampling.

The software used by viewer.library.wales has not implemented this correctly; at some zoom levels the website image has the same problem as the Commons image. Wikimedia appears to have implemented rescaling correctly, for example see File:William Hogarth - Gin Lane.jpg where none of the resolutions show this sort of artefact.

What is needed is to upload higher-resolution images. Help:Scanning#Engravings, etchings, and related suggests "somewhere between 300dpi to 800dpi", but ideally the full resolution of the original scans should be uploaded.

I realise that re-uploading all the library's engravings would be a significant task, and probably not a good use of your time. However, it may be possible to crowd-source this effort to Wikimedia editors. To enable this the library would need to give access to high-resolution files and resolve any licensing issues.

For downloading, I have experimented with the "Share" button on the webpage which purports to generate html code to embed an image in another website, but all I get is a black rectangle. The simplest solution for users would be a "download" button (ideally for a PNG or TIFF file). Alternatively, instructions on how to construct a URL that accesses a high-resolution image.

On licensing, some or all the images on viewer.library.wales have a more restrictive license than the corresponding images on Commons. For example, on Commons File:Cardiff castle, Glamorganshire (1133761).jpg has Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication, whereas the version on the library's website has "...It may be used for non-commercial purposes while respecting the moral rights of the creators of the digital version.", which may not be acceptable for Commons. Is this difference deliberate, or has the website not caught up with the revised licensing? Is the library seeking to retain rights over full-resolution images for possible commercial exploitation?

Regards, Verbcatcher (talk) 19:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


Hi Verbcatcher, Thanks for your input. The Library is currently reveiwing its policy around the quality at which it releases openly licensed. Once this has been agreed we may be able to look at releasing full size copies of these images.

As for the discrepancy in licenses i have raised this with the Library web team, so they are aware of the problem. Hopefully it will be resolved soon by updating the licences on the website to reflect the licences used on Wiki Commons. But for now, you can safely reuse the images under the terms of the more open license. Jason.nlw (talk) 10:10, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Category:Sain (Records) LtdEdit

I think I added OTRS templates to all your uploads covered by the ticket related to Category:Sain (Records) Ltd. If not than lease let me know. Also Please ping me if you upload more files under this ticket and I will add the OTRS template. --Jarekt (talk) 20:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Great! I will let you know if i find any problems. Thanks very much for your help. Jason.nlw (talk) 08:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Sain uploadsEdit

Hi, thank you for uploading the audio clips and album covers from Sain. They are a valuable addition, and I have added several of them to Wikipedia articles. Some of the album covers provide pictures that are otherwise difficult to obtain for biographies of living people, I have already added these for w:Trebor Edwards, w:Dafydd Iwan, w:Annette Bryn Parri, w:Dennis O'Neill (tenor) and w:Ryan Davies.

I have a few observations and suggestions.

Many of the audio clip pages do not give the names of all the audible performers, such as the pianist accompanying a singer. For example, in Category:Audio clips of Dennis O'neill the pianist is prominent but is not credited. This would give useful information about the clips, and its omission might be a licensing problem as the licence requires attribution.

It would be good to specify the composers of musical items, or specify when they are "traditional". For example, File:Tami - Mary Hopkin.ogg is a version of Tammy by Jay Livingston and Ray Evans, made famous by Debbie Reynolds.[2] I hope that Sain have sorted out any necessary permissions.

Unfortunately the Sain pages of the albums (e.g. this]) do not specify the performers or the composers. Sometimes they can be found on another website.[3][4]. These details would often be in the notes on the back of the album cover. Is there any chance of these being added, in a resolution sufficient to read the text?

I have identified the singer on File:Yr Hen Glochydd - Nansi Richards.ogg as Emrys Jones and added him and his category to the file page. I have added this clip to Cerdd Dant, which I hope is accurate.

In the following clips the listed performer is not heard at all. This may be because the clip stops before the listed performer starts:

Some of the dates are suspect. For example, File:Yr Hen Glochydd - Nansi Richards.ogg is listed as "Performance date 2009", but Nansi Richards died in 1979. In this case the date is probably the release date of the compilation album.

The two clips in Category:Audio clips of John Thomas sound like different singers who should not be categorised together.

I have added some categories for performers, linking their album covers and their audio clips, e.g. Category:Robin Huw Bowen.

It might be useful to have a category for each album, linking its tracks and album cover. The clips are already listed on the page for the album cover, under File usage on Commons, so there might be a clever way to add these to a category. This would help with categorisation, for example if there were a Category:Caneuon Meirion Williams (SAIN SCD 2013) then this would be in Category:Bryn Terfel, Category:Annette Bryn Parri and Category:Meirion Williams, and we would not need to add these categories to each clip from the album.

Thanks again, Verbcatcher (talk) 04:47, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Verbcatcher, Thanks for taking the time to organise this collection and for starting to make use of these sound clips. The data for the clips was scraped from the SAIN website (with their permission), but the data you see on Commons is all we could access. Even then i had to manually fetch some of the data from other websites such as itunes. I guess if additional data is available on other websites it might be possible to do a scrape and add that additional data to Commons. Unfortunately i dont really have any more time to spend on this project. I'm happy to share the data i have is someone else is willing to give it a go. I am also hoping to find volunteers to created Wikidata items for the bands/albums ect using the scraped data.

With the Album covers, we only had permission to upload the small thumbnails of the front covers, and since this is the first time a record label has done anything like this (to the best of our knowledge) I would be very reluctant to ask for any more from them. It's fantastic that they have agreed to release what we have.

So i'm affraid, all i can say really is that i am happy to share my upload data with others who might want to develop this further, and keep up the good work with your manual improvements to the data - it is much appreciated!

Jason.nlw (talk) 11:00, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Licence queryEdit

Hi Jason, you uploaded File:S.O. Davies portrait 1490010.jpg as CC0, but the source website seems to say cc-by-nc-nd. Has that changed since you uploaded it, and might this affect other uploads? SarahSV (talk) 21:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi User:SlimVirgin thanks for flagging this issue. The image has been uploaded legitimately and it is the National Library of Wales Catalog which needs updating. I actually work at NLW and uploaded the image with full permission of management, and NLW hold the copyright for all images in this collection. You can see the OTRS here. We have uploaded around 15k images from NLW collections so far and it is likely that there will be other cases where the licences do not match. This is because data for older digitized material has not always been updated to reflect changes in policy ect. This is something we are aware of and are working on. With future uploads we are working to insure the licence data all matches before upload. In the mean time if you come across any other issues with our collections, please feel free to get in touch and i will do my best to rectify it. Cheers Jason.nlw (talk) 22:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi Jason, thank you for the speedy reply. Can you or someone else from the library email OTRS confirming that these images are CC0? This has just affected a featured-article nomination on en-wiki (en:Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Aberfan disaster/archive1), where I added the S. O. Davies image but, because someone had earlier noticed the contradictory licences, it had to be removed from the article. There are likely to be other cases where people check the licence on the site and decide not to use the photographs because of the restrictions. SarahSV (talk) 22:53, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
No problem. I am back in the office next week and will try and get this sorted asap. Jason.nlw (talk) 12:46, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Jason. SarahSV (talk) 22:52, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

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Affected:

And also:

Yours sincerely, CoCoCounty97 (talk) 00:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

    • @CoCoCounty97: thanks for the heads up. What a strange deletion request!?. Looks like it has been resolved now though. Lots of good reasons to keep these if you ever need another the voice though. Thanks Jason.nlw (talk) 06:16, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Uwchlwythiad bendigedig!Edit

Wel ti wedi bod yn brysur! Mae'r uwchlwythiad diweddaraf (Category:National Library of Wales Portrait Archive) yn fendigedig ac yn ychwanegiad aruthrol i bob Wicipedia dan yr haul! Gwych iawn a diolch!!! Robin Owain (WMUK) (talk) 11:23, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Diolch yn fawr iawn Robin. Fi'n edrych ymlaen i gwneud defnydd o'r gasgliad nawr mewn prosiectau a digwyddiadau. Jason.nlw (talk) 14:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Files released by SainEdit

In response to the discussion at w:en:Talk:Mary Hopkin#Audio samples, here are details of my concerns about the licensing of the files released by Sain.

My main concern is that several of the clips are of music that is probably under copyright. Has Sain obtained permission from the copyright holders (the composer, the lyricist, and the translator where appropriate) to release these clips under the CC BY-SA 3.0 licence, or is this permission not required? Secondly, this licence requires attribution – should the other copyright holders be attributed alongside Sain?

For American music there is the additional complication that in some periods copyrights had to be registered and subsequently renewed, otherwise the work became public domain. Commons:Hirtle chart gives some details, but it does not directly discuss composer's copyright.

Mary Hopkin

I suspect that all the clips in Category:Audio clips of Mary Hopkin are cover versions of songs that are unlikely to be public domain, or songs composed for Mary Hopkin. For example:

John Rutter

John Rutter is a living composer, noted for his choral works. The clips in Category:Audio files of music by John Rutter would probably need his permission.

Performers playing their own music

When a performer is playing music that they have composed then he or she may need to give permission as the composer. This might be covered by the recording contracts. For example, the following the clips are of Catrin Finch playing her own compositions.

Album cover artwork

I assume that Sain have are satisfied there are no problems with copyrights owned by the graphic designers and photographers of album cover artwork. Do they need and have permission from the creators of the underlying works?

Others

These are more or less at random. I am not a Welsh speaker and was led to these by the file names.

All the files listed in the 'File usage on Commons' section of File:Welsh Male Voice Choirs Sing Hits Of The 60S & 70S, album cover.jpg should be checked.

I hope this is helpful. I hope that it is not necessary to delete any of these files and that Sain are not discouraged from releasing more material, but I also want to help maintain the reputation and integrity of Wikimedia Commons.

Regards, Verbcatcher (talk) 18:46, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Verbcatcher, thanks for your time in putting this together. I will pass this on to SAIN and hopefully they can confirm how and why they have the rights to these clips. I also checked in with the OTRS people and they said it's fine to change the license template, so i'll try and get that done today. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 08:10, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
Hi Verbcatcher I just wanted to let you know that i am now in contact with the CEO of SAIN, and there will likely be a review of all the clips. It is looking like there is third party copyright in some of the cover songs in particular which will need to be taken down. I will keep you in the loop. Thanks again for bringing this to my attention. Jason.nlw (talk) 09:18, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
I have been working on the Sain files again, fixing clips that had been attributed to the wrong performer or linked to the wrong cover artwork. In the course of this I have come across more suspect files, and have been making a list. Please let me know if and when you or Sain want this list. Verbcatcher (talk) 00:34, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Verbcatcher, i will wait and see what Sain come up with and will be in touch. Best Jason.nlw (talk) 07:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

FIY - a large number of SAIN clips have now been nominated for deletion following a full review of the content by SAIN RECORDS. Jason.nlw (talk) 15:16, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

I think that Sain are probably being over-cautious in some cases. For example, File:Cwm Rhondda - Cymanfa Tabernacl Treforus, 1989.ogg is Wele'n sefyll rhwng y myrtwydd by Ann Griffiths to the tune Cwm Rhondda, and is clearly public domain music (it does not sound like a modern arrangement). I will cast my eye down the list for titles that look like PD music.
Yes i think they probably are. If you want to have a look through the list and remove any obvious PD songs from the deletion request then please feel free. Sadly i dont have the time to go through them at the moment and SAIN ar obviously keen for offending clips to come down asap. Cheers! Jason.nlw (talk) 19:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Did Sain respond about File:Man Gwyn, album cover.jpg, which looks like a clear smoking gun (see above)? Perhaps the National Library has released Kyffin's painting under a free licence, but I doubt it. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
I think we are ok with the Album covers. SAIN seemed pretty sure about those, plus they are only low quality...and they were uploaded by me as a National Library of Wales employee. Jason.nlw (talk) 19:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, but you are open to a challenge by Kyffin Williams' heirs. The library owns the physical painting, but it is unlikely to be able to licence the reproduction rights to third parties. The current licence allows anyone to reuse the image for any purpose. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
The National Library of Wales owns the copyright to Kyffins entire collection, so we should be ok Jason.nlw (talk) 21:32, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
That is good news. The license on the Commons file should probably require attribution to the library as well as to Sain. Can the library release a nice image for use in the Wikipedia articles in Kyffin? Verbcatcher (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Verbcatcher. I keep meaning to ask the Library if they will release a couple of Kyffins for use in articles. I will see what i can do. Jason.nlw (talk) 15:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

I have inspected about a quarter of the files in Commons:Deletion requests/SAIN audio files and have posted my findings there. Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Regards, Verbcatcher (talk) 19:28, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

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SpanishSnake (talk | contribs) 02:52, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

File:NLW South Readig Room.jpgEdit

 
File:NLW South Readig Room.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

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4nn1l2 (talk) 22:33, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

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