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Burtis Home 1890s.jpgEdit

Why did you remove the NRHP template from File:Burtis Home 1890s.jpg. Is it a photo of the wrong house? The file is usually tagged even if the category is also tagged. Generic1139 (talk) 03:21, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I had the impression that they are not usually tagged if the category is tagged, then the articles usually are not, for example from this edit. To me, it seems like a parallel to the OVERCAT practices. I'm much newer at the NRHP stuff, though, and don't know all the details/functions of the template, so I will stop removing them if I need to. kennethaw88talk 04:59, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
The upload wizard always tags the individual files. I'll ask on the NRHP project at wikipedia if there is a policy on this. The tag may be used to load files into the database used for a lot of tools, like the monument finder map tool. I don't know if a file's presence in a catagory tagged with the template gets those files added to the DB. For now, I suggest that you don't remove the tags. Generic1139 (talk) 06:07, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
I've asked, please follow [1]. Generic1139 (talk) 06:17, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that it was only you. Generic1139 (talk) 18:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Contributing propertiesEdit

Unlike at en:wp, where it's possible to have an article about a historic district and to have a separate article about one of the contributing properties, it's virtually impossible to do so here. The issue is the nature of imagery: it's virtually impossible to have an image from an HD that doesn't picture one or more CPs — with a very few exceptions, an image that doesn't depict an HD CP shouldn't be in the HD category in the first place. For example, all 173 images in Category:East Second Street Historic District depict an HD CP in Indiana, and with Category:Courthouse Square Historic District (Bloomington, Indiana), all the images in the category and all three subcategories pertain to CPs, and some of the images in the category depict multiple CPs. I'm familiar with a few images that belong in HD categories but don't depict CPs, but the only ones that come to mind are maps, e.g. File:Bridgewater Historic District map (Pennsylvania).png, and they're extremely rare compared to images of CPs. Nyttend (talk) 13:38, 25 December 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for all the work you are doing on categorizing the historic courthouses. Awesome! Regards Nv8200p (talk) 01:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places in Atlanta, GeorgiaEdit

I noticed you placed Category:National Register of Historic Places in Atlanta, Georgia under Category:National Register of Historic Places in Fulton County, Georgia. Not all of Atlanta is in Fulton County, it is also in DeKalb County, so not everything that is on the National Register in Atlanta will be on the National Register in Fulton County. --Mjrmtg (talk) 11:22, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

I didn't realize it was in two counties at the time, but I believe it should be placed under the categories for both counties. Right now, navigating Category:National Register of Historic Places in Fulton County, Georgia, there are a lot of buildings missing from that tree because they are only in Atlanta's category, even though they are in Fulton County. Besides, Category:Atlanta, Georgia is in both categories, so it makes sense for the NRHP categories to be parallel. kennethaw88talk 04:39, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that perhaps there should be NRHP subcats for Atlanta? ----DanTD (talk) 23:43, 4 June 2016 (UTC)


The description page clearly says that the building was built in 1881 for an institution established in 1886, so I thought you'd misread the description page. Given your clear evidence, I can't give a solid explanation; my best guess is that it's somehow a copy/paste error from some other file. I'll revert myself; thank you. Nyttend (talk) 23:33, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't usually read the descriptions, because there's typically not much there. kennethaw88talk 04:27, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

National Register of Historic Places in Lexington, KentuckyEdit

I noticed that you moved the category Category:National Register of Historic Places in Fayette County, Kentucky to Category:National Register of Historic Places in Lexington, Kentucky, when in fact not all NRHP sites in Fayette County are in Lexington. ----DanTD (talk) 23:40, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, they are. Lexington and Fayette County are a consolidated government. Every single listing at w:National Register of Historic Places listings in Fayette County, Kentucky is located within the city limits of Lexington. The map can be found here. For the items on the county list which are not listed as Lexington proper:
  • Athens is within Lexington/Fayette County.
  • Centerville is located in Bourbon County. These four listings are actually in a rural area of Lexington/Fayette County (I checked the coordinates). Centerville is the closest community, and the nominations all say "Centerville vic.", not actually Centerville.
  • Georgetown is located in Scott County, and the New Zion Historic District extends across the border.
  • Ford is located in Clark County, and the James Pettit's Mill is on the border with a rural part of Lexington/Fayette County. Ford is the closest community, and the nomination says "Ford vic."
  • Clintonville is in Bourbon County. The Frederick Shryack House is in a rural part of Lexington/Fayette County, and Clintonville is the closes community. The nomination says "Clintonville vic"
In any case, I only changed the name of the category. It was already within Category:Lexington, Kentucky. kennethaw88talk 02:11, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

NRHP categories for Chapman Hall, Mount UnionEdit

Hi ... I see that you removed the NRHP categories from Chapman Hall, Mount Union College (Alliance, OH).JPG with this edit. Though the protocol out here for this type of thing aren't very clear, I think those categories are appropriate for the photo because the building is a contributing property to the NRHP-listed Mount Union Historic District. Ideally, there would be photos of other CPs in the district and we could then create a new category that's specific to the HD, place that new category under the categories you removed (as well as 'University of Mount Union') and use the 'Historic district contributing properties in Ohio' category on the Chapman Hall photo (removing the 'UMU' category to avoid COM:OVERCAT).

Regards, --Sanfranman59 (talk) 23:40, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

You're right that the protocols aren't clear. I prefer to leave categories like that on the categories that encompass the whole district instead of individual files. And (as you can see from my talk page), many of the NRHP regulars tend to disagree with my style of editing and categorization. But I don't really care that much. I'm not going to edit war if anyone reverts my edits. kennethaw88talk 06:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the prompt response. If you don't care that much, I'm going to reinstate the categories on that photo so it's clearly identified as associated with the NRHP. Happy editing! --Sanfranman59 (talk) 01:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

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Category:History of Burlington, VermontEdit

Why did you remove this category from numerous images while adding other cats? Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:47, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

I created Category:National Register of Historic Places in Burlington, Vermont, which is a member of that category. I don't think anything was removed from the history category, only further categorized into the NRHP category. If I did remove any without adding the other category, they certainly should be fixed. kennethaw88talk 04:35, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Clayton SchoolEdit

Re: this edit, has Clayton School closed in 2015, 2016 or 2017? Because it was clearly operating as a school when I took the picture in 2/2015. — Ipoellet (talk) 08:11, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

My edit was based on the nomination form and not seeing any label on google maps, but not on any specific evidence it's not used as a school. I sometimes assume that uploaders haven't bothered to check if these types of buildings are current, but if you saw it in use as a school, that's more than I've seen. kennethaw88talk 18:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. — Ipoellet (talk) 20:28, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

File:McLean County Courthouse Old.jpgEdit

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Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:23, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Useless workEdit

Hello Kennethaw88, could you please let me know how to avoid this? This picture (and many many others) was categorized already, and now I have to remove a parent category once more. Fransvannes (talk) 17:26, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

There's not a quick and easy way to avoid this. I adjusted the categories of these files using Cat-a-lot, which means I was viewing a category page, and not individual file pages. In these cases, I was on Category:Photos from Panoramio ID 4678999 needing categories trying to clear it out. I moved them in bulk to what I knew was a correct (but not necessarily the most specific) category. I couldn't see if they already had a good category. One way to deal with it is going to the generic category (for example, Category:Amersfoort) and using Cat-a-lot to move them to the specific category. If they are already in the specific category (and therefore double-categorized) they will simply be removed from the generic category. If they aren't double-categorized, they will be moved like normal. Cat-a-lot is useful for doing bulk categorization (in this case, clearing out "panoramio files needing categories"), but isn't useful for individual, specific categorization. Hotcat is the opposite: it is good for getting the correct categories on individual files, but you have to do it one-by-one. Mainly what I was doing was trying to remove unnecessary maintenance categories, even if it sometimes adds an extra category. Overall, most of the files I've done don't already have a good category, generic or specific. kennethaw88talk 17:35, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
As far as I understand this, I have to find out how Cat-a-lot works, since its the only way to avoid useless work. Which means that categorizing is in fact no longer a thing anyone can do. That's sad. Fransvannes (talk)
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