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This is an archive of threads started in User talk:Lar from about 1 March 2007 through about 1 August 2007. Please do not comment here, use my current talk page for that, thanks. It is part of a series of archives, see the box at left for the list and to navigate to others.
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Archive 1 — start through about 1 Nov 2006
Archive 2 — about 1 Nov 2006 through about 1 Mar 2007
Archive 3 — about 1 Mar 2007 through about 1 Aug 2007
Archive 4 — about 1 Aug 2007 through about 1 Jan 2008
Archive 5 — about 1 Jan 2008 through about 1 Sep 2008
Archive 6 — about 1 Sep 2008 through about 1 Nov 2008
Archive 7 — about 1 Nov 2008 through about 1 Jan 2009
Archive 8 — about 1 Jan 2009 through about 1 Mar 2009
Archive 9 — about 1 Mar 2009 through about 1 Jun 2009
Archive 10 — about 1 Jun 2009 through about 1 Sep 2009
Archive 11 — about 1 Sep 2009 through about 1 Jan 2010
Archive 12 — about 1 Jan 2010 through about 1 May 2010
Archive 13 — about 1 May 2010 through about 1 September 2010

Template:Protected title now in use on commonsEdit

but Nilfanion and I may not know quite what all the parserfunctions do, especially the ones that relate to dealing with images that are on commons or not. Can you take a look and see if we did it right? Template:Protected title which is used at Commons:Protected against recreation... thanks! ++Lar: t/c 20:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello! I excised the Commons image code (which isn't needed at this wiki) and saved the remainder here for you to copy. Other than that, everything seems to check out. :-) —David Levy 21:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Other than a stray missing space around the . around the activity log, I changed nothing. Is your user version OK to delete now? Your help is MUCH appreciated! ++Lar: t/c 21:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Sure, delete away. I'm glad to be of assistance! —David Levy 22:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

It just occurred to me that you should edit MediaWiki:Cascadeprotected to resemble something along the lines of the English Wikipedia version that I set up. This displays a special explanatory notice (to anyone not logged in as a sysop) when he/she attempts to create a page under a protected title. Obviously, the text/links specific to Wikipedia would have to be modified.
On an unrelated note, could you please edit the main page to change "sisterprojects" to "sister projects"? —David Levy 18:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Commons adminshipEdit

[copied from w:User talk:David Levy]

Special:Contributions/David_Levy is very solid. You should be an admin there, in my view, if you have an interest. Do you? I'd be honored to nominate you if you were so inclined... just let me know. ++Lar: t/c 02:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I'd be honored to accept your nomination. :-) —David Levy 16:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[copied from User talk:David Levy]

Congrats from me as well! Well done! I look forward to working with you even more. ++Lar: t/c 03:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Lar, and thanks again for nominating me! :-) —David Levy 22:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
It was my pleasure! ++Lar: t/c 01:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi Lar,

You showed some interest in how this was going, during the approval phase, so I'll pose this question to you. Commons' pages have a ==Links== section. Since I am auto-uploading and auto-linking them on Wiktionary, would it make sense for me to add a pointer to Wiktionary, from the pages I upload, as I upload them?

Thanks in advance. --Connel MacKenzie 21:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It would seem to make sense to me but I may be misunderstanding the question, do you have an example page to point to? Thanks! ++Lar: t/c 22:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
For example,
shows nada in the current links section. It should identify that it is used on en:wikt:yellowish, shouldn't it? Somewhere? --Connel MacKenzie 20:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
The links section itself is done by MW, somehow, during page rendering prior to display. I agree that if you can note that it was used, somewhere, it would be goodness. But also prone to becoming outdated, as there are 700 wikis to keep track of... the tool tells you which wikis are using the image... ++Lar: t/c 21:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Let me clarify my request, perhaps. What is the Commons: syntax I should use within that template, to display a "used on the page wikt:yellowish" message? My concern is that, as a smaller wiki (hardly in the top 20, with some of those gigantic Wikipedias,) the issue has on rare occasion been that some commons admins might use only the largest wikis when using CheckUsage...which shows that the soundfile is unused, incorrectly. So I'd like to have the link displayed prominently in the entry somewhere, somehow. --Connel MacKenzie 18:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

The copyvio may be Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.pngEdit

I think Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png may be a copyvio or at least unfree. I think this because:

  • en:Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png indicates that "the CC licence applies only to the photograph. The trophy itself is copyrighted in some jurisdictions, and is featured in the photography under the doctrine of fair use." If it is used under the legal doctrine of fair use, it should be on Commons
  • The source indicated at the above image description page is en:Image:Cricket world cup trophy.jpg which then indicates a Flickr photo. Someone already tagged both of the image description pages at the English-language Wikipedia with "no source" with the note "Looks like a flickr copyvio." I agree...why would someone upload an image to Flickr that looks like it is from an interface? Flickr is for original photos, not a photograph of a trophy with a random design to boot.

Anyways, Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png is not on the English-language main page anymore, but it is still protected, and I think that it is a copyvio. Sorry for the long message. --Iamunknown 19:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I've tagged it. Thanks for worrying about it! ++Lar: t/c 20:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Lar, the uploader is pretty upset about the suggestion that the original photo isn't free. He removed you deletion tag [1] and has been having quite a debate about the matter at en:Talk:Cricket World Cup. You might want to keep an eye on things at the Commons end... WjBscribe 01:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Lar, WjB (if you watching lar's page), do you two think the trophy / replica of trophy is copyrighted (and unlicensed) and thus the photograph is a copyvio? It certainly seems so to me, but I am not a lawyer and do not know copyright law very well. BTW, Lar, if the deletion debate ends up spilling over to this thread, don't bother answering the question, I don't want a firestorm to hit your talk page just because I asked a question. If that happens, I'm sorry. --Iamunknown 05:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your comment, its just that its really really frustrating after i worked so hard on the cwc article in english wiki and then when its on the main page, someone comes and messes with it; without saying anything before. And it was also hard to find a free picture of the trophy and I looked hard to find this one and now without much evidence its being written off as not free? I would appreciate it if you cooperated and tried to solve this issue without being in a hurry to delete it. I have seen professionals putting there pictures on flickr, people from cricinfo contributors even. So why is this user being written of because his pictures looks professional like or something?--Thugchildz 21:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


Please delete my user and talk pages. :: ZJH (T C E) 10:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, looks like this was carried out for you (by User:Herbythyme) already. ++Lar: t/c 13:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Deutscher Dom..Edit

yes I am planning on re-uploading the same image but with a different name and licence, but the page that uses it is by me and the image is taken by me. It just needs to be brought into line with myother images,which im slowly doing. Any help will be very gratefully received. Fethroesforia 19:25, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead and upload under the new name and put a {{Superseded}} on the first image, giving the name of the new image, and I or any admin will take care of it for you... ++Lar: t/c 20:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks,im not used to commons still. Fethroesforia 20:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


Nom'd - here, hope you can accept! Cheers --Herby talk thyme 11:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Did, and thanks! ++Lar: t/c 14:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Logo mosaicEdit

Refactored to User_talk:Yann#STOP. to keep discussion together, I'll respond there. ++Lar: t/c 14:34, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


Could you look at this link and tell me why you think that the welcome sign is not a road sign? --Evrik 20:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

eh? It IS a road sign. but it contains artwork beyond what standard signs contain. The provenance of that artwork is not clear, and that is what the problem is with the sign. I thought I'd articulated that point at the deletion discussion, let me know if I need to recap it there... thanks for bringing this to my attention. ++Lar: t/c 20:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

This is from the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, "Any traffic control device design or application provision contained in this Manual shall be considered to be in the public domain. Traffic control devices contained in this Manual shall not be protected by a patent or copyright, except for the Interstate Shield." " Yes, it is not a standard 'road sign'. It is an image of the state flower, but it is made by the same government employees who make all the rest of the signs. It is a standard sign used throughout the state. --Evrik 21:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

My comments on your commentsEdit

I consider referencing my RfA to be an insult, and will continue to see it as such unless you remove those remarks. --Evrik 21:03, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I am very sorry you feel that way. I'll be happy to strike that remark there, if it gives offense, but the point is important, this "welcome to california sign" discussion indicates to me that your understanding of copyright may not be perfect and may be causing you to take stances that might not be in the best interests of the project. ++Lar: t/c 03:48, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfAEdit

I'm now well past 200 edits; grateful if you could look again at my RfA now that this eligibility factor has been resolved. -- ChrisO 19:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for voting in my RFA. I've been too busy at work do any Admin stuff yet, but will make a start soon. --MichaelMaggs 19:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Congratulations - well deserved, use it well. All the best --Herby talk thyme 17:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

CheckUser help neededEdit

If you'll have some time, please take a look to COM:AN#Suspicious Ferrol activity. --EugeneZelenko 14:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Gmaxwell appears to be on the case... if there is something specific you want me to look into, can you drop me an email with any specific info to guide me? thanks! ++Lar: t/c 17:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I asked Gmaxwell about news, so I hope problem will be resolved. Thank you. --EugeneZelenko 15:23, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

CU reqEdit

On Greg's page too Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Vandalism#CheckUser_vandal - pretty sure they hit meta just before this and created a few accounts --Herby talk thyme 17:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi Larry - Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/Attention#AyumiLove_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29 warrants a look (IMO!). The editing is quite like Shellabella17 and there were then a collections of socks/IPs involved. There are links to old bits in my edits on Gmaxwell's page. Regards --Herby talk thyme 14:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

answered there. I am thinking we need a CU subpage of the AN to keep this stuff together. I may take a crack at that when I have more time ... ++Lar: t/c 15:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
It is an issue - I tend to pick most of mine up from RC either by seeing edit patterns or by seeing someone mention CU. Don't recall more than 2/3 "formal" requests but Books is much smaller. Me - I'd also be looking at the block log and particularly when autoblock kicks in. Let me know if I can help and thanks for the opinion - edit pattern was really similar --Herby talk thyme 16:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for the barnstar, I will forever remember you as the awarder of my first barn star. :) Yonatan talk 14:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

VP feedbackEdit

Regarding Cedar Point, one thing: what is "VP feedback?" Thanks – Tintazul talk 20:58, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Village Pump... at the time I was told that I was categorizing things wrong... ++Lar: t/c 21:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

About incorrect Image copyrights you talked on my user talkEdit

About this image and other images of wrong copyright I had uploaded from other wikis I should say that I can't be responsible for disloyalty of the people who upload sth in other wikipedias. It is not my fault. --Soroush83 14:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I am not totally sure I follow you. If you were just moving things over from other wikis, no biggie but it might be a good thing to keep an eye out... if they are up for deletion on one wiki because of copyright issues, it may be best to hold off. I intended no insult, assuming you are not actually Parthian Shot... can you let us know what else you brought over that might need investigating? thanks. ++Lar: t/c 15:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I reviewed my contributions but most of the ones I'd suspected were deleted. But I'd brought the folowings from other wikis while I can be suspected of them:
By the way, I had a look at my last user name contributions. The followings have certainly problem.
I was new commer then. They hadn't write about copyright in their site and I thought it was in public domain. Sorry for this convinience. They must be deleted. I checked their site and it violates their copyright. I can't contact them to get permission.
I hope I've helped you for finding pictures might have problem. Best wishes for you too.--Soroush83 16:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks and I, or someone, will take a look at these... much appreciated. Happy editing. ++Lar: t/c 17:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyright issuesEdit

Hi Lar. Images which are straightforward recreations of a copyrighted logo must surely be subject to the copyright of the image they copy, right? If I drew a faithful reproduction of the McDonalds logo, just copied it in my own hand without any extra artistry, that would be a copyvio I'm sure.

These images are tagged variously as PD, GFDL etc but they are handmade copies of flags. My contention is that the original copyrights should appply per my McDonalds argument; in some cases they'll be PD but in many cases they'll actually be copyright and shouldn't be on Commons at all.

Please do whatever you see fit with these:

There's also a few similar images in my contribs. --Kingboyk 14:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

This has been discussed but I forget where... IIRC most flags are not copyright, but a few do have copyrighted devices (seals and the like) on them. I'd bet these are tagged wrong. I'm behind so may not be the best person to try to sort out what is what here. ++Lar: t/c 15:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Lar. Please pass my request on to somebody who can help, or tell me in which forum I need to post. I'm something of a Commons newbie, sorry. --Kingboyk 16:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Village pump ( COM:VP) I would say. (Or the admin noticeboard... COM:AN). ++Lar: t/c 17:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Two thingsEdit

Hi, Lar!

  1. You have email.
  2. On your userpage, you have a userbox saying that you're an admin at Wikipedia. The link doesn't work. I think you need to have
    [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Lar|This user]] instead of
    [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Lar|This user]]

Cheers. ElinorD 12:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Right you are. I have used that box in too many places and bobbled where it gets prefixed. Well spotted, and thanks. ++Lar: t/c 00:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

RFA clarificationEdit

Thank you for the question, I have clarified there about where I stand on sockpuppetry, cheers! Wooyi 14:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Replied there as well, thanks. You don't need to let me know here, although I appreciate it, as you can be sure that page is on my watchlist. ++Lar: t/c 15:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Hacked accountEdit

I was looking a meta's checkuser page and found you on the list as a checkuser on Commons. Could you please tell me if my account, User:FellowWikipedian, has been hacked?? I have never given out my passwords to anyone so I have no clue how it got hacked! I click "E-mail password" on the log in page but I guess I didn't set an email for my commons account, so it says I never set one. Could you do a checkuser on it to verify if it has been hacked and to see what IP is currently with the account? Please respond at my Wikinews talk page. Thanks. (FellowWikipedian/FellowWikiNews)

That's not typically what CheckUser is used for. The account doesn't appear to have been used since March and I'm not seeing signs of it being used disruptively on commons. I also don't see how knowing the IP would help you. The best thing to do is to ALWAYS set your email up right away. I would advise in this case that you just start a new account. Sorry to not be of more help. Perhaps I am missing something, so maybe you might want to bring this up at the Village Pump for other input. ++Lar: t/c 11:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Okay, but I typed in my password a million times to log in the account and it does not work. I think someone might have found out my password somehow and changed it in my account? I know I sound crazy but I'm pretty sure I typed in the right one. I am an admin on Wikinews so I know what checkuser is and I understand your decision now (after reading Commons policy) to not reveal what IP is with the account because it's private. I only care if the IP is mine, and if it is that means I did forget my password. But I read the policy now and I will stay with your decision. I guess I will have to create a new account. I already registered the account name "FWN" on some other Wiki's so I wont have a problem with creating the same one here. Please block my old account indefinitely so it cannot be used by anyone. Also, isn't there a way of transfering the old account's edits to the new one without being logged in or recovering my account? I seen it done on WikiQuote. 19:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
What do I do with my uploaded images? I uploaded them using my, now, old account. If I knew my password I could request my old account to be moved to my new account. Since you are a bureaucrat could you try to transfer the old account's edits to the new one without being logged in or recovering my account? Is that possible as I seen it on WikiQuote before. But if that doesn't work I'll create a new account. Thanks.
I'm not a crat... I do think that taking this to the Village Pump is the way to go. If you can somehow prove it's you perhaps a usurpation can be done. ++Lar: t/c 10:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:Satellite pictures of the Palestinian territoriesEdit

Hi. Thanks for participating. It looks like the dispute has been settled. There is discussion at Commons:Categories for discussion. I now have agreed to remove the map category, and to link to it instead. I made a note about it there. I am in the process of removing the map categories from the various satellite picture categories.

Jeff G. agrees with me concerning keeping Category:Satellite pictures of the Palestinian territories as a subcategory of Category:Satellite pictures of the Middle East. Juiced lemon seems to have stopped removing it since Jeff G. asked him to stop. There is now no current edit warring. And I don't intend to 3RR again. I did it to get some attention from admins since no admins seemed to be paying much attention to the many reverts by Juiced lemon, and the many complaints against him at Commons:Categories for discussion and Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems and elsewhere.

I think we really need an official 3RR policy here as at wikipedia. Vague policies are unfair, and I have seriously considered dropping out from doing much on the commons. Due to the anarchy caused by people like Juiced lemon, and his random destruction of many hours of my efforts. I took discussion to him immediately when we had problems on several issues (not just the satellite pictures issue). I also went to the community board.

I think it is probable that many other people have given up on doing much at the commons due to Juiced lemon reverting hours of their efforts. I think the community has to make a cost/benefit analysis concerning Juice lemon. He has never been successfully blocked except one time for 2 hours. His blocks were reverted due to no 3RR rule. I find that amazing for someone who is so disruptive. See

A genuine, strict 3RR rule would provide some reasonable curbs on destruction by Juiced lemon. And the cost/benefit analysis (of users remaining versus users who have quit) would be better. Think of the many, many hours of work lost due to the many users who have probably quit or been reverted due to Juiced lemon. A 3RR rule would greatly increase the number of productive hours of editing at the commons.

I have just made a report at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. See the section titled "User:Juiced lemon, need for 3RR rule, cost-benefit analysis." --Timeshifter 20:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

This looks like more or less a repeat of the text posted there so I have answered in depth there about 3RR rather than here. Hope it helps. As for the rest... Please remain cool if you can, even when it is hard to do so. Take a break if you have to, or work on something else. I'd also recommend against using reversion as a way to get admin attention. If your postings to the correct noticeboards don't work, try determining who active admins are and ping the talk pages of one or two. There is never a tearing hurry, so patience is often a good idea as well. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 21:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips. Pinging some admin pages is an idea I hadn't thought of for the commons. I have done it at wikipedia. Fixed the name. Sorry. --Timeshifter 01:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Good stuffEdit

Just wanted to say you're handling the JL/Timeshifter situation well. And it does need to be done. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 05:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate your feedback! ++Lar: t/c 10:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Discussion indexingEdit

I'll set it up tomorrow. -- Bryan (talk to me) 14:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

See Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive index for an example of discussion indexing for archives. -- Bryan (talk to me) 08:42, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

sponge bobEdit

Thanks to reverted my edit. I have reverted all the the edit by User:D-slay. Many of this was good but in this this time we have a discussion between French contributors and French synops and I thing it's not the good time to to a speedy delete about french monuments. Just wait we are are ok between us to delete this. User:D-slay makes some mistake according with the German FoP. I don't want a new user can tag speedy delete many files and just do it. Many admins can delete files just because they are tagged. I'm suspicious about User:D-slay. Who he's it ? I don't like User:D-slay's method. Sorry for this file : Image:Lego Spongebob 2006 sets.jpg. I have reverted all the edits and this one too. If you thing your photo have to be deleted I deleted it now. But please, you have no reason to be aggressive with me. Petrusbarbygere 01:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. ++Lar: t/c 05:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

// Tanks for your anwser. I'm just want to be ok with the french law. I make many errors and I am happy that one can modify them ;) Petrusbarbygere 22:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


But I think it is sort of holding Fred back with the de-sysoping to some degree so I thought a move might be worth it. Personally I think I favour confirmation - which would save some issues. Would it really be hard to organise? Would biennial be a possibility or or or?!The preceding unsigned comment was added by Herbythyme (talk • contribs) at 08:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Well I do want things to move forward so I responded on the talk page saying I had reverted it, and could we work through this? ++Lar: t/c 16:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


Congratulations! You are bureaucrat now. --EugeneZelenko 14:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Me too --Herby talk thyme 14:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello, mister bureaucrat! -- Bryan (talk to me) 15:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Yummy! Thanks! Now where's my pony? ++Lar: t/c 15:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
In the post - same as Shanel's! --Herby talk thyme 15:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
That would be a lot of stamps. Even if it is a miniature pony. ++Lar: t/c 16:01, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. WjBscribe 15:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


Have we broken the admin index bot - nothing for 6 hours now? (maybe it will have to be a picture of one) --Herby talk thyme 16:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Bryan DID say he was going on holiday I thought... maybe he took his herd of bots with him? ++Lar: t/c 19:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Back on now - just another thing that is past us - equally btw ?? --Herby talk thyme 19:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Peter HahndorfEdit

There should have been an OTRS permission letter today from Peter Hahndorf. Could you please leave a note on my user talk page indicating the OTRS-ID associated with that so that I can upload some of his photos from Flickr? Thanks. - Jmabel | talk 03:09, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The ticket number is 2007072210001861 .. you can use this by saying {{OTRS|2007072210001861}} ... Peter also said that he is now user:Tweenet. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 03:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
So, have I captioned this correctly: Image:Bunnygrunt at the Coney Island boardwalk.jpg. - Jmabel | talk 19:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks good to me. The OTRS info is there if needed. The only nit I would have is in a different section of the info box... you give Peter's real name but link it to his Commons userid. I honestly don't know what the preference is there, but I sort of would have expected to see it as Author: "Peter Hahndorf (User:Tweenet)" ... but I honestly don't know if that is right or not. (that's how I do mine...) Has he expressed a preference? Does he want to be anonymous? Like I say, a nit. The main thing is the OTRS ticket number and that's spot on, in my view. Thanks for your efforts on behalf of the project! ++Lar: t/c 19:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

He has his name all over his Flickr site, and "tweenet" and his name are tied to one another all over the Internet, so clearly no issue of anonymity. I'll follow your suggestion on parenthesizing the name. - Jmabel | talk 22:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Your comment in Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problemsEdit


You said: Make your thoughts known in a neutral way, and don't cast aspersions on others. Sorry, but I don't understand what you were speaking about. I think according to facts, and my opinions are based on facts. Denigration is not in my methods: it's not in my code of ethics, and I don't need it in a line of argument.

In the other hand, what User:Fred J is doing in “Juiced Lemon assuming bad faith” section is exactly denigration. I should like to know how you can envisage me pursuing my work in Commons while User:Fred J would permanently harass me. --Juiced lemon 09:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I think Fred J is exasperated with you... he's, in my view, not normally a person who loses their temper but your history of argumentativeness has, in my view, poisoned your relationship with him. What you need to do is turn the other cheek, be BETTER and NICER than he is instead of firing back with guns blazing. That's my view. But your recent comments are not that. They are argumentative. Really, that has to change, or eventually everyone will be fed up and even with all the positive work you have done in the past, you will no longer be effective here because no one will ever listen to you, even if you are right. That a large number of people repeatedly talk about long blocks for you suggests that it is not everyone else that has an issue, it is you, and it is you that needs to change. Defending your approach isn't working. You need to change your approach. That's my view. ++Lar: t/c 12:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I happened to see this while adding the template at the top.
"he's, in my view, not normally a person who loses their temper" -- thanks Larry. You are right, I think I have lost my temper a little with this user. Well nobody is perfect...
Fred J 21:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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