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Commons:WikiProject AutomobilesEdit

I have just started Commons:WikiProject Automobiles, you may want join. Also, please read the "category" convention. OSX (talkcontributions) 12:22, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


(Copied from User talk:OSX) Hi, thank you for your advice. I have a question for you: how can we eliminate the categories?

Navigator84 17:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC+1)

Hi, first of all I would go to "My preferences" --> Gadgets --> and select the boxes "Cat-a-lot" and "Hot Cat". These tools will make it much easier for you to rename the categories. Note: After saving, you have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes. Internet Explorer: press Ctrl-F5, Mozilla: hold down Shift while clicking Reload (or press Ctrl-Shift-R), Opera/Konqueror: press F5, Safari: press Cmd-Opt-E.
I'll let you work out how to use them for yourself, but if you can't just ask me and I'll try and guide you.
Now back to your original question. When you've used the above tools to batch re-categorise the images, you will need to create the category page. To delete the old category, use the following template, {{badname|new name of category}}. An administrator will then delete the old one for you. OSX (talkcontributions) 01:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
P.S. Please remember to use the category naming conventions. Rather than using "Category:Second-generation Pontiac Vibe" use "Category:Pontiac Vibe (second generation)". Cheers OSX (talkcontributions) 01:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Just quickly, could you please use "second generation" instead of "2nd generation" as you did for Category:Cadillac CTS (2nd generation)? OSX (talkcontributions) 05:32, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi, to add to the above, when using model codes in category names, make sure the codes go in parentheses too. Rather than using "Category:Ford Escape ZD" use "Category:Ford Escape (ZD)". On the subject of the Ford Escape, et al. please do not make such drastic categorical changes unless you know the subject well enough. The "ZC" and "ZD" codes are used only in Australasia (not North America, et cetera) to designate the 2006 and 2008 updates of the Escape. The original Australasian Ford Escapes (2001–2006) utilised the codes, "BA", "ZA", and "ZB". As a result, I have separated the category into generations. The Mazda Tribute and Mercury Mariner versions of the Escape also definitely do not utilise the ZC and ZD codes. OSX (talkcontributions) 08:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, Navigator84!

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

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For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations").

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

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Your Flickr uploadsEdit

Hello Navigator84!

Thanks a lot for your contributions! Thank you for uploading images from Flickr! Two hints ahead:

  • Always upload the highest resolution of a photograph that is available on flickr
  • You can use this tool for your flickr uploads. It makes the hole procedure much easier and faster for you

Thank you for your support! Greets, --Justass (talk) 12:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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Merci d'avoir catégorisé mes photos. Meilleures salutations -- S 400 HYBRID (talk) 11:51, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


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Bonsoir, j'essayerai de catégoriser indépendantement mes photos à l'avenir! Meilleures salutations -- M 93 (talk) 20:55, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Bonjour. Pas de problème. Je suis désolé si cela vous a engendré des gênes. Cordialement. Navigator84, 17:04, 17 January 2011 (CET)


Ooh lá lá!

Thanks for all your uploads of Chinese vehicles. Nice to see my blurry little crops becoming superseded by much better images. Cheers, mr.choppers (talk)-en- 17:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

I just want to help. I had a big opportunity to live in Shanghai for 4 months, thus I am going to try to photograph a maximum of chinese cars. Do I have to mask number plates? If yes, I manage not at the good to make it, somebody would have to help me. In China, there are lots of Minivan of chinese brands but I don't know these brands, so I will upload these in Chinese automobile category. Your work is fantastic, thank so much !! Navigator84 03:56, 11 April 2012 (UTC+1)
I will be more than happy to help identifying these minivans; taking notes on number codes on the trunk (like "SQL7394" and that sort of stuff) helps immensely. I would also appreciate pictures of the Tianjin Xiali - they are so common that no one has ever been interested in providING a good photograph of one. Enjoy your stay, I hope you get to see lots and lots of interesting stuff. If you really want to see some interesting things I would recommend contacting the China Vehicle Documentation Centre. They respond very quickly to emails and can sometimes get people entry into private car collections and museums. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 04:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
That Shanghai Maple is indeed horrible! Thanks for sharing - by the time your trip is over, and if you don't find any un-stickered such cars, I will try to photoshop them all away. Keep the pics coming! mr.choppers (talk)-en- 06:11, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for this bad picture >_< I need of your help. I have photagraphed some chinese cars which I don't know. I think it is a Nanjing Soyat 7150/Unique. But I don't sure. Navigator84 17:16, 28 April 2012 (UTC+1)
I believe it is a Nanjing Yuejin Encore NJ6400 (I believe that the "Unique" name was only applied to the Van version, and after a facelift with a more rounded grille), but it's hard to see precisely with these bizarre little manufacturers. Also see here. It could have been built last week with a pile of leftover grilles... Sorry I didn't see this before, please go ahead and upload it! I have been searching for a shot of one of these. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 20:29, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Fiat ViaggioEdit

Hi Navigator84 can you photograph the Fiat Viaggio? Because on commons there aren't photo of this car :(( --Corvettec6r (talk) 11:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello corvettec6r !! I'm sorry but I'm currently in my home in France. I was in China from April to August this year for an intership. But I will go to China 10 days in February 2013. I will try to find one to take a picture :) But if you have an address of a Fiat dealer in Shanghai, please let me know !! I photographed some Fiat vehicles : Palio (hatch, sedan and Wagon), Perla, Freemont and Bravo. Bye, happy holidays !! Navigator84, Talk 17:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC+1)

okok Navigator84 :) and can you upload the photo of chinese Palio and Perla? I can't speak english and on the GAC Fiat site i can't find the address of Fiat Shanghai :( --Corvettec6r (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

and Happy Holidays :):) i live in Italy but the Palio isn't sold, there are only Panda and Punto :)--Corvettec6r (talk) 19:49, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I took this photo in Beijing (, is it the Perla ? I'm not sure. The Palio was built in China by Nanjing-Fiat joint-venture until 2007. The facelift Multipla and the old Palio are still building in China by a small chinese carmaker (Zotye : And now, it's GAC-Fiat which are building the Viaggio sedan and soon the hatchback version and maybe the new Panda in 2013 ( sorry it's in english. I like this blog on the chinese car market created by a very friendly dutch man who living in China. I can't promis you to take a picture of the Viaggio, but I will try. I will stay 10 days in Shanghai, but 3 days in a wine trade show. In 5 months, I didn't see many Italian cars, mainly Fiat Palio and Ferraris, but I saw one time an Alfa 156, a Lancia Thesis (using by the Italian consulate in Shanghai) and an Abarth 500 (see my photos for the 500), but the Renault vehicles are also rare ^^ Sorry I don't speak Italian >_< Navigator84, Talk 22:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC+1)

Yes, is a Fiat Perla! :D on it.wikipedia there are the article about Fiat Perla but there aren't a photo i have look your photo about Abarth 500, is very rare because the Abarth version don't is import in China :) --Corvettec6r (talk) 14:20, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

ok !! I will upload it soon !! But I don't understand one thing. In the italian page on wikipedia about Fiat Perla, if I well understood, Fiat had a join venture with Chery Automobiles between 2007 and 2009. But the Perla was built from 2006 to 2009. So, which built the Perla ? Nanjing-Fiat or Chery-Fiat ? And so, Fiat sold licence to Zotye for the Multipla, Siena/Albea/Perla. We can see some Multipla as taxi in Hangzhou (beautiful place in China ^^). The chinese automobile industry is very complicated, but very very interested !! Meery Christmas !! Navigator84, Talk 17:18, 24 December 2012 (UTC+1)
The Perla! Fantastic!!! Can't wait to see it uploaded. The car was introduced by Nanjing-Fiat, don't know what exactly what happened to Fiat's Chinese subsidiaries in the period concerned. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 20:24, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
Done !! sorry for the delay >_<. Navigator84, Talk 23:27, 29 December 2012 (UTC+1)
Great! The Nanjing Ibiza is coming too, right? If you have any more questions about pictures, just go ahead and upload them with whatever name - I can change the names on files, so if anything is misidentified then no worries. Also, you could always take a quick closeup of the text on the trunk. While I don't read Chinese many other people (tons) do. Cheers again. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 22:27, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

thanks for the photo of Perla and Palio Weekend :) and happy new year :))--Corvettec6r (talk) 13:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

New pictures of last daysEdit

Hey, do you know why these brand new BMW vehicles seem to be leaved there in Shanghai and getting dirty and becoming overgrown? --Thomas doerfer (talk) 16:38, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Honestly, I don't know. I found this big parking next to a BMW dealer on Ziteng Road near of Shanghai's downtown. There is also a Jaguar-Land Rover dealer in front of this. I think, the cars are waiting there before to dispatch to other BMW dealers in Shanghai area. Because all the vehicles I saw are imported from Europe to China by the Shanghai's harbour. There were tens of E92's BMW, 6-Series, 5-Series, X1, X5, Land Rover, Jaguar.... many hundred thousands euros. More photos I took of this place : / / Navigator84, Talk 00:43, 04 January 2013 (UTC+1)
Intriguing - I guess they're in some non-customs no mans land? I was also intrigued by all the photos of very new Changfengs which looked semi-abandoned. You have taken some priceless photos, thanks again for sharing. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 07:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Probably, because they have to wait for a long time. In fact, I took the both Changfeng vehicles and the Englon TX4 (chinese famous-english cabs) in the american-automobile-supplier Delphi's plant situated in one of chinese coastal development areas in Shanghai. I took the photos behind the fence and not in the plant. I believed that these both cars were really new with their disguise but then I checked on Internet and I realized the both cars were already on sale !! I was really disappointed. I will upload more pictures later, because I took about 3.000-3.500 pictures of cars in China, it's a little bit long to upload them ! Because the chinese auto market is now the biggest in the world, but on Wikipedia, there are not lots of pages about chinese cars / cars sold in China; so I hope with pictures, someone will creat more pages about that! Have a nice day. Navigator84, Talk 09:45, 04 January 2013 (UTC+1)
Sadly it takes me much longer to create an entry for a car than it does for Geely to develop a new one... My prime interest is in those old joint venture cars like the Chinese-built Austin Maestros and Seat Ibizas, so that's where I do most of my work. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 16:46, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
No problem ^^ I didn't know a chinese-built Austin Maestro ... I would like to take a photo of the chinese-built Citroën Visa, sold as a Wuling's model at the beginning of 90's, just 901 vehicles were produced. Navigator84, Talk 10:05, 05 January 2013 (UTC+1)
Those are probably all disappeared by now, at least according to the experts. Erik Van Ingen Schenau has photographed a few, but unless you're going to Liuzhou (with a good local guide) I don't think there's much of a chance. Would make for a pretty cool pilgrimage, though. Check this out for more on the Lubao Maestro. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 10:10, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
The other strange thing is, that there are these fuel efficiency-labels in some cars. --Thomas doerfer (talk) 14:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Three StarsEdit

The Sanxing Voyager is intriguing - it seems they were imported fully built, sans wheels. This allowed the "manufacturer" to pay import taxes at a much lower rate, but not much manufacturing of any sort took place. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 02:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

You're right. I don't know why I wrote CKD production. I found this car in a second-hand car market in Shanghai. It's Erik from who told me about this car. Indeed, the Voyager was imported sans wheels and battery. I will edit the small text I wrote. There are not lots of information about this company, I found this : /,6331929 The Sanxing Voyager cost about 44.000 US$ and the imported Chrysler Voyager at this time 56.000 US$. Navigator84, Talk 09:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC+1)
Please check the new text. Navigator84, Talk 09:51, 27 March 2013 (UTC+1)
Oh, I hadn't even realized there was an error, just wanted to share. But I'm glad I could be of help. Keep the photos coming, I hope you get sent into the countryside soon... where the cars are older. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 17:02, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm not living in China... I was 5 months last year for an internship and 10 days last month. So, I took many pictures of vehicles in China (about 4-5.000, I uploaded just 1.500 ^^ ). But, I really want to go everywhere in China to see old Chinese cars like Citroën Visa-based Wuling, BYD S8and others. I hope go to China many times in the future. I took photos in Beijing, Chengdu, Chongqing, Shanghai and Huangshan. Navigator84, Talk 20:52, 27 March 2013 (UTC+1)

Photo of Fiat ViaggioEdit

Grazie Mille per aver caricato le foto della Viaggio :):) Se servono delle foto di qualche auto italiana in particolare me lo puoi chiedere :)

Thank you for the photo of Viaggio :)

--Corvettec6r (talk) 11:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)



Ford Mondeo catsEdit

Thanks for creating Category:Ford Mondeo Hybrid. :-) I've added the europe photos back to Category:Ford Mondeo Mk V (sedan) (while keeping the hybrid category) as presumably there will also be hatchback/estate versions of the hybrid, so I'd like to see us continuing to have separate categories for body style and engine type (where the engine type is known). Hope that's OK with you. I'm not sure how the europe/us versioning should be handled here though - any suggestions? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:06, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Your renaming requestsEdit

Hello Navigator84, I really have no problem to care about your renaming requests and I love to do it. But in my opinion you are so active here, that you can get the filemover-rights here. You can try it, if you want to. Kind regards, --Brackenheim (talk) 22:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I am really sorry for all my requests. I uploaded more than 2.500 car pictures; but for some of these I forgot the code name in the title... I will try to get the right to rename myself. Thanks for your trust. Sincerely, Navigator84 Talk 23:27, 29 August 2014 (UTC+1)
You needn't feel sorry - no problem. And I was sure you get the filmover right ;-) Kind regards, --Brackenheim (talk) 00:13, 31 August 2014 (UTC)


Love your new uploads. Did you get any shots of the Happy Prince (or whatever it is) to the left of the Lexus ES300 in this photo? Cheers, mr.choppers (talk)-en- 01:01, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi! Many thanks! I haven't this Happy Prince, but I just uploaded one Chang'an Suzuki Alto, one Happy Prince and one Jiangnan Alto: See you! Navigator84 Talk 01:23, 03 September 2014 (UTC+1)
Delicious, thank you! mr.choppers (talk)-en- 01:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Does Wikimedia really need my photos?Edit

Hi, this is ChengH, uploader of Hongqi CA7460, Hongqi 774 and Beijing CB4--cars you may had never seen before. I'm a car fans and have plenty of photos about cars (you can see my photos here), but I don't know whether I should upload them. Cars that I have already uploaded to Wikimedia Commons are unique, having few or no pictures otherwise. But other cars already have pictures in Wikimedia Commons; some have plenty. That is, my upload seems to be redundant. Plus, I don't know some of the classic cars and cannot name/categorize them, how should I deal with these photos? Regards,H.C. (talk) 13:35, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello ChengH! Sure I know you and your fabulous CA7460 spot! I really want to see one in China ... I saw your collection and it is very interesting I think (especially the old Century). In my opinion, you can upload yours pics on Commons. Some cars have already a lot of pics but yours are different because are from Russia/China. It is interesting to see JDM cars in Russia for example. All yours pics are taken in China or/and Russia? If it is in China, you can add the "Automobiles in (Chinese city)" category! Sincerely, Navigator84 Talk 12:17, 28 December 2014 (UTC+1)
Agree absolutely. And if you upload pictures of unknown cars, mention them on my talkpage and I will identify them (or find someone who knows). Cannot wait to see what else you have. You can also choose to upload slightly smaller versions if you're worried about giving away too much, just not so small that there is no detail. Thanks a lot, and looking forward. mr.choppers (talk)-en- 03:28, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Navigator84 and Mr.choppers. I've just sorted my pictures and first uploaded a series of classic cars I saw in an exhibition hall. Despite calling myself a petrol head, I don't know many classic cars. So eight pictures in my file list are not categorized yet. Please help add information about them. Thanks in advance!
There's just about half an hour left for 2014 in China (UTC+8). So here I'd like to wish you happy new year. I'm a senior student in Jilin University and I'll probably go to Germany next year for my Master's program, so maybe we can meet and have a good chat some time! H.C. (talk) 15:39, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Jengtingchen's photosEdit

Hello, I came to get a opinion when it come to editing Jengtingchen's photos. His photos are great and makes a great addition to many Chinese car articles however a lot of them are uncropped, I expierment with a few of them and the results makes them even better but I can't decide to either overwrite it or makes a separate file. I think I can overwrite the files since it counts as "minor cropping" according to COM:CROP but came here to have a opinion of the choices because there a lot of images that could be cropped. --Vauxford (talk) 16:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata InfoboxEdit

Hi. I spotted that you've been undoing some of pi bot (talk · contribs)'s edits to add the infobox to automobile categories. Is there a problem with them? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:52, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Mike. This current automobile infobox is really pertinent on Wikimedia Commons? I can understand the utility of this with picture, name of brand/car make. But in my opinion, the length/height, engines are useless on Wikimedia Commons. People are here to find pictures, not information necessary. Wikipedia is used for that. But you can change some things in the infobox and add year production maybe. Sincerely, Navigator84 Talk 20:23, 5 June 2018 (UTC+1)
The infobox is designed to work across all topics, not just automobiles. People seem to have different views on what is useful or not to include in it, so others might find the dimensions/engine info relevant. I'm happy to add more info from Wikidata into the infobox, but production year seems to be a missing gap there at the moment - so I've asked about it at d:Wikidata:Project_chat#How_to_model_"manufactured_from_2001_to_2008"?. If that info can be added there, then it can be displayed here. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:53, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Riich M5Edit

Can you add a photo of Chery Riich M5 notchback-sedan please? —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 15:51, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello ! Sadly, I never saw (and never spotted) any Riich M5. This car is on the top of my Chinese To-spot list! This car is a real rarety. A M5 was spotted last year in Beijing: Sincerely, Navigator84 Talk 20:26, 5 June 2018 (UTC+1)

Reverting my editsEdit

Hi, would you kindly tell me the reason why you have reverted my edits? Category:Škoda Rapid (China) is a subcategory to Category:SAIC Volkswagen automobiles. – ComradeUranium (keskustelu) 13:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Comrade, I removed your edits because I created the subcategory Škoda Rapid (China) for a specific model to the Chinese market. This specific model is the Rapid in its "real" sedan version. Different to the liftback model which is sold in other markets. But the Spacebak wagon/hatchback version is the same model in China than in Europe and so, I always categorized it as "Škoda Rapid Spaceback" and "SAIC Volkswagen automobiles".
For Chinese-made foreign models, I always categorized them in their categories and in the JV category BUT if it is a specific model/version/new front model, I created some (sub)categories as "Volkswagen Lamando", "Volkswagen Jetta (China)", etc... Sincerely, Navigator84 Talk 15:24, 19 August 2018 (UTC+2)
Alright, thanks for making this clear! – ComradeUranium (keskustelu) 13:28, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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