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People's Liberation Army Ground ForceEdit

Will there be updates File:People's Liberation Army Ground Force.png? — Nickel nitride (talk) 06:26, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

If someone has some sourced material then I will update it within a few days. So far nobody contacted me with new/up to date info, so for now this graphic is the one we have. Noclador (talk) 11:48, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Estonian Defence ForcesEdit


Firstly, I have to commend you on the wonderful work you've done. That said, there are a few things that are not quite right with the Estonian Defence Forces orbat. After the 2014 reform, many things were changed that aren't immediately obvious. One of the main things is that there is no Land Forces command anymore. The two brigades were made directly subordinate to the Commander of the Defence Forces. There are also some differences outside the main branches. The best source I could find for the changes is here:

Most of this is also described in different statutes and laws. I can help you translate the material if you need it.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Estonian1885 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment and thank you for contacting me with the changes. I will try to find time this weekend to re-work the graphic. I have a lot of questions: 1st - what do the colors mean? 2nd: I understand some of the designations (like brigaadi staap, Viru, Kalevi, Scouts, etc.) but a lot of the more obscure designations are unknown to me. Could you translate these? Also: the graphic is from 2014, that is four years ago. Do we have something more actual? I heard that the 2nd brigade would be brought up to full strength, but in the graphic it is still as it was when it was raised. Thank you again for your help, and with best regards, Noclador (talk) 16:12, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
The blue colour means that there have been no changes to the unit, the orange colour means that the unit has changed its position in the structure, and the green colour means that the unit is new or has been changed significantly. When it comes to translations, you can just post the names you need to have translated (though admittedly, some are quite obscure even to me). The graphic was made following the reform in 2014 (published in 2015), so it is still quite fresh. The current structure is still the same, according to official statutes. Perhaps the only addition that isn't listed is the reserve Artillery Battalion under the 2nd Brigade - it isn't officially in the peace-time structure yet. The war-time structure would be quite different (consisting of roughly 20 000 men), but it isn't actually public.--Estonian1885 (talk) 05:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
I did create an update of the graphic just now, but I am not sure of all the details. Please check it and let me know if there are changes that need to be done. Best regards, Noclador (talk) 14:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
It is generally better. The brigades should be correct now. There are other minor differences. The "BALTNET C&C Center" is actually called "Combined Control and Reporting Centre Karmėlava" in one of the statutes (Link1). You can also see more details about the Air Force Headquarters in another statute (Link2). The headquarters is under the direct command of the Air Force Commander as seen here (Link3). I think it would be best to just group all those three units under the "Air Force" banner. The Naval Flotilla consits of: Operational Staff, Warships [sic!], Naval Training Establishment, Divers Squad. See sources (Link4, Link5). The Naval Base is quite different, it consists of: technical department, services department, administrative department, medical center. More details here (Link6). Unfortunately I couldn't find any statutes about the Naval Headquarters currently and it is not mentioned on the 2014 graph, so I have a strong suspicion that it doesn't actually exist anymore. Just like in the Air Force, all the mentioned units are under the direct command of the Navy Commander. The Support Command has changed significantly, it now consists of: Headquarters of the Support Command, Logistics Battalion, Logistics School, Movement and Transportation Service, Defence Materiel Division, Procurement Service, Medical Centre, Estate Service, Personnel Support Services Centre, Accounting Service, Orchestra. Source is here (Link7). The other units under the direct command of the Commander in Chief of the Defence Forces are (the following are all official names): Military Intelligence Centre of Estonian Defence Forces, Headquarters Support and Signal Battalion, Estonian National Defence College (with two subordinate schools - Officer School and Non-commissioned Officer School), Military Police (with two subordinate units - Guard Battalion and Operational Service), Estonian Special Operations Force, Estonian Contingent at NATO Cooperative Cyber Defence Centre of Excellence. If I have time I might whip up a crude drawing of how everything looks exactly.--Estonian1885 (talk) 16:14, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
OK, uploaded the graph with translated names (Link).--Estonian1885 (talk) 17:44, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

2nd new graphicEdit

Thank you for the graphic! And the translation. I did update the graphic now. I left out the Air Force Headquarters as this seems to be a administrative staff? Or is it operational? If it is administrative (= supporting the Air Force Commander) then it should be at the defense ministry? If it is not an operational HQ I think we should let it out (as also the Naval Headquarters doesn't seem to have been an operational command). Let me know what else we need to fix. Thank you again for your work, cheers Noclador (talk) 18:02, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

It is much more accurate now. Nice job. There is one particular thing that needs to change though - the unit named "Control & Reporting Center Karmėlava", which is actually just the Estonian contingent at that place (meaning "Estonian contingent at Control & Reporting Center Karmėlava"). I'm not entirely sure what to do with the Air Force HQ. One the one hand, it is listed as a separate unit/department under the Air Force. However, one could easily conclude that the Air Force Command is the same thing. Like I said previously, one option would be to name the Air Force Command to simply Air Force and then list all the units associated with it. Another issue here is the fact that the Navy HQ was apparently abolished during the reform. I might have to make another more detailed graphic to explain how I see the structure.--Estonian1885 (talk) 19:32, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
I will be busy until the weekend. So if we need to make additional changes, you tell me what to change and I will do it Sunday afternoon/evening. Cheers, Noclador (talk) 22:20, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
I also had a busy week, but I hope I can find some time to whip up a basic graphic of the exact structure, based on the official documents.--Estonian1885 (talk) 08:58, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello again! I'm just here to update you on the fact that the 2nd Infantry Brigade now has a new reserve infantry battalion called the 22nd Infantry Battalion. See source: [1]--Estonian1885 (talk) 08:17, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. Fixed it. Best regards, Noclador (talk) 14:16, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello again! There are a few updates. Firstly, the new Defence Forces statute has been accepted, which properly lists the new structure. The war-time units of the 2. Infantry Brigades (IB) are also listed.[2] I think you can add the Air Force HQ as another unit under the Air Force Command. In total there are 3 units listed under the Air Force (Air Force HQ, Air Base and Air Surveillance Wing) and 2 units under the Navy (Naval Base and Naval Flotilla). The 2. IB (reserve) Engineer Battalion recently participated in a large exercise (Siil 2018). This means that the unit can essentially be considered active now. --Estonian1885 (talk) 08:15, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Update done. Please check for accuracy. Best regards, and thank you for providing the information. Noclador (talk) 18:58, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it is quite accurate now. A few minor differences though. I think the Strategic Signals Center is actually called Strategic Communications Centre and Defense Forces General Staff is actually called Headquarters of the Estonian Defence Forces. I would also place it right below the Defence Forces Commander, like here: [3]. The Land Force Militia is officially called Territorial Defence. It will consist of Northern Territorial Defence District, Southern Territorial Defence District, Western Territorial Defence District and North-Eastern Territorial Defence District. They are be based on the Estonian Defence League units, but will be treated as an integral force in the Defence Forces during wartime, not as the Defence League. So, these units can be treated as reserve. Reference here: [4] and here [5]. The Military Police will also include two (reserve) MP companies during wartime. I think that is about it for now.--2001:7D0:8B02:9F80:452C:1F75:9DCD:C1 14:12, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Will try to find time on the weekend to add the necessary fixes. Cheers, Noclador (talk) 19:17, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
Done. Please check for errors. Thank you, Noclador (talk) 14:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Namibian badgesEdit

hallow there if you could get time i'ld like you to help create badges for Namibian military pages,i have the pictures with me, not just sure on how to share them with you

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ViceAdmiral (talk • contribs) 20:25, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Stemma Brigata GoitoEdit

non sono molto pratico dell'uso di discussione su wikipedia ma volevo fornire una informazione per far notare che lo stemma della brigata Goito è errato. La prima spada con manico in argento è dritta e non curva, simbolo della specialità fanteria. Soltanto la seconda, con manico in oro, sovrapposta alla prima, è con lama curva, simbolo dei bersaglieri. Spero che questa informazione sia utile.

Done, Noclador (talk) 21:19, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Belgian Land ComponentEdit

For your information (in French) : —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2A02:120B:C3E5:8450:D9F9:27CA:29D4:4619 (talk) 19:29, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Updated. Noclador (talk) 20:40, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Check this outEdit

I've been making orbats for my own world building hobby. I made an Orbat in which companies are shown alongside battalions in a divisional orbat - the companies being a smaller image: I know this isn't standard practice, but it looks good to me so far. --One Salient Oversight (talk) 08:31, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Looks good, what program do you use? J-Man11 (talk) 04:25, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello One Salient Oversight, sorry for the late reply. I didn't come here for some time (work + sport + holidays). Your idea with the companies as smaller symbols is an excellent one! It gives a lot of information in a simple way. Well done. Please create some of these for wikipedia. And what kind of division is that? It is not one of Western/NATO design for sure. Cheers, Noclador (talk) 20:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
J-Man I used GIMP. Noclador, it is a fictional orbat for a sci-fi story I've got in my head. --One Salient Oversight (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Structure of the Armée de terre 2018Edit

Hi, can you update the file Structure of the Armée de Terre 2018.png ? Since 1st July, the "école du combat interarmes" merged with the "commandement des centres de préparation de forces" to become the "Commandement de l'entrainement et des écoles du combat interarmes" (COM E2CIA, division level) located in Mourmelon-le-Grand.

There are also some little mistakes in the pictures :

  • this is not the "14e régiment parachutiste de commandement et de soutien", the correct name is "14e régiment d'infanterie et de soutien logistique parachutiste" and it's à parachute logistic regiment.
  • the "commandement terre pour le territoire national" (COM TN) is not subordinated to the "commandement territorial de niveau zonal". The COM TN is subordinated to the "état-major de l'Armée de terre" like COM ALAT, COM LE, COM FST...
  • the "commandement territorial de niveau zonal" (corps level) included six "areas" : Île de France in Saint-Germain-en-Laye, Nord-Est in Metz, Nord-Ouest in Rennes, Sud-Est in Lyon, Sud-Ouest in Bordeaux and Sud in Marseille.
  • the "commandement de la maintenance des forces" (COM MF) is subordinated both to the "commandement des forces terrestres" and the "Direction centrale de la Structure intégrée du maintien en condition opérationnelle des matériels terrestres".

This link could help you : [6]

Thank you Niko67000 (talk) 10:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for letting me know of the changes! Noclador (talk) 14:19, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks ;) Niko67000 (talk) 17:46, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
the 132e bataillon cynophile de l'armée de terre is now the 132e régiment d'infanterie cynotechnique (132e RIC). The six areas from the "commandement territorial de niveau zonal" are all commanded by a 4 stars general (corps level). Also the 14e régiment d'infanterie et de soutien logistique parachutiste and the 3e régiment du matériel are Airborne forces.
Thanks. Niko67000 (talk) 16:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Fixed. Noclador (talk) 19:37, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your update. You've donne a great job ;) There is just some little mistakes :

  • the CFIM 7e BB / 3e RCA is in Valdahon (not Verdun)
  • the CFIM 2e BB / 12e RCA is in Bitche (not Valdahon)
  • the CFIM renseignement / 151e RI is in Verdun (not Bitche)
  • the 13e bataillon de chasseurs alpins is in Barby
  • the 785e compagnie de guerre éléctronique is in Saint-Jacques-de-la-Lande
  • the Centre des transports et transits de surface is in Ollainville
  • the Centre du Renseignement Terre (part of the Commandement du Renseignement) is missing
  • the zone Nord-Est is in Metz (not Strasbourg)
  • Also, I've added the 5 "groupements de recrutement et de sélection" (recruiting groups) and the "centre expert des ressources humaines et de la solde" (Human Resources and Salary Center).

Niko67000 (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

I think I fixed all the errors now. Please let me know if there are some errors left. Noclador (talk) 20:06, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Great ;) I'll let you know if there is some changes in the structure of the French Army (probably in July 2020). Niko67000 (talk) 09:38, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Would you mind?Edit

Would you mind telling me how to make he graphics? I see you don’t make them anymore and I really would love to do them.. J-Man11 (talk) 04:23, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I use Photoshop. I started with that program in 2000 while in the Italian Army and am still using it (as all the files I have are psd). I still update the graphics of the armies that are Western/NATO (as the sources for these are easily available). If you send me an email (via the option in the menu to the left) I will send you some of the psd files, the font I use, the color chart, and the app-6a files so you can create your own graphics. Cheers, Noclador (talk) 20:36, 15 August 2018 (UTC) I tried myself using a Mix of and Photoshop, but like you said.. the colours and icons looks difference

— Preceding unsigned comment added by J-Man11 (talk • contribs) 13:38, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Brazilian OrBatsEdit

Hello Noclador;

First of all, I'd like to tell you that I'm a huge fan of your Order of Battle graphics.

That said, I would like to help you in updating the OrBats of the Brazilian army, helping you with the translation of unit names and the organization of new units.

I do not know if you know, but the Brazilian Army is undergoing an update on its combat doctrine that began in 2016 and will be completed by 2019. More details here: [7]

I await your reply.

Wallinson (talk) 00:39, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Wallinson, thank you for the kind words. And yes, I very much would to update the Brazilian Army graphics. All the South American armies are out of date and would require updating... but the source situation sucks. I am mostly unavailable until the first days of September (holidays :-) ), but then I can start to update work. If you wish to start right away, please begin to update the articles about the Brazilian commands and divisions. I will then draw the information from there and update/create graphics based on that info. Thank you and with best regards, Noclador (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


After one read in the documents, here are the updates summary:

  • Under the 5th Engineering Group (5º Grupamento de Engenharia) of the Eastern Military Command Comando Militar do Leste, the 10th Building Engineering Battalion (10º Batalhão de Engenharia de Construção) no longer exists. It was renamed to 10th Railway Battalion (10º Batalhão Ferroviário), still in Lages, under the 4th Engineering Group (4º Grupamento de Engenharia) in the Southern Military Command (Comando Militar do Sul). [8]
  • The 18th Border Infantry Brigade (18ª Brigada de Infantaria de Fronteira), subordinated to the Western Military Command (Comando Militar do Oeste), had its deactivation canceled and remains active in 2018. The Orbat of the 18th Brigade can be found here: [9]. Font: [10].
  • The Army Artillery Command is being transferred from the Southern Military Command (Comando Militar do Sul) to the Planalto Military Command (Comando Militar do Planalto), now based in Formosa, Goiás until 2019. [11]
    • The 16th Self-propelled Artillery Group (16º Grupo de Artilharia Autopropulsado) from the Army Artillery Command was converted into the 6th Group of Missiles and Rockets (6º Grupo de Mísseis e Foguetes), now based in Formosa, Goiás and subordinated to the Planalto Military Command (Comando Militar do Planalto). Equipped with ASTROS 2020 [12]
  • The Southern Military Command (Comando Militar do Sul) was equipped with two air defense artillery batteries:
    • 6th Self-Propelled Anti-aircraft Artillery Battery was established (6ª Bateria de Artilharia Antiaérea Autopropulsada) in Santa Maria under the 6th Armored Infantry Brigade (6ª Brigada de Infantaria Blindada). Equipped with 16 Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard [13]
    • 11th Self-Propelled Anti-aircraft Artillery Battery (11ª Bateria de Artilharia Antiaérea Autopropulsada) was established in Rio Negro under the 5th Armored Cavalry Brigade (5ª Brigada de Cavalaria Blindada). Equipped with 16 Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer Gepard [14]
  • In the Southeast Military Command (Comando Militar do Sudeste), was established the Air Defense Artillery Maintenance and Supply Battalion (Batalhão de Manutenção e Suprimento de Artilharia Antiaérea) under the 1st Air Defense Artillery Brigade (1ª Brigada de Artilharia Anti-Aérea). [15]

In the coming days I will update the articles to give you greater support in the graphical update of OrBats. Wallinson (talk) 22:03, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Please do, and thank you! I will have time to create new OrBats then in September. Cheers, Noclador (talk) 19:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Military OrBatsEdit

Dear Noclador.

I'm trying to upload military orbat images. I was wondering where exactly you get them. (talk)

All these graphics are my work. I do the research and then I create them. Noclador (talk) 19:50, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
How do you create them? (talk)
Explained above at User_talk:Noclador#Would_you_mind?. Noclador (talk) 18:25, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Polish Land Forces 2018Edit

Hello Noclador!

1st and 21st brigades aren't subordinated to 18th Division yet. There's only 18th Commend Battalion being formed. When ready, then it will take over said brigedes (probably next year).

Also, there's second tank battalion in 1st Brigade being formed and 14th Anti-tank Group will be enlarged to regiment size. But by now there are no changes since your 2016 version.

Hmm... should we set the graphics back? Or leave them as they are now and add a note saying that this structure will be active from 2019? what do you suggest we do? Noclador (talk) 23:12, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I think that for now a 2016 version but with 18th Division and its command battalion is accurate. Could I also ask if you are using any generator for NATO tactical symbols?
Filippogd (talk) 22:28, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I am using photoshop and have created all icons and OrBats with that. If you need some of the original psd files - send me an email and I will send you the files of the countries that interest you. cheers, Noclador (talk) 20:05, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for answers and wonderful graphics! Filippogd (talk) 12:14, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


Grazie mille per il riconoscimento, da parte sua ha un significato maggiore. --Cayman 5-1 (talk) 18:45, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Grazie, troppo gentile :) Sono stato ispirato dal suo lavoro. --Cayman 5-1 (talk) 11:22, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Latvian Armed ForcesEdit

Hello again,

It has come to my attention that a new unit has recently been established in the Latvian Armed Forces. Following the purchase of used M109 howitzers, a new artillery unit was created. The unit was established under the Mechanized Infantry Brigade on September 1, 2018. It is supposedly called the Artillery Division, which makes little sense logically, since it is part of a brigade, but it seems to come from historical tradition instead of actual unit size. Previous incarnations of the Artillery Division existed from 1918-1940 and 1996-2004. Furthermore, it seems that a new Special Operations Command has been established, which governs the Special Tasks Unit. Anyway, perhaps you can update the orbat of the Latvian Armed Forces to reflect the change? Sources for the information are here (in Latvian): [16], [17]--Estonian1885 (talk) 15:21, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

"Division" is used in some armies for artillery units to distinguish them from battalions (other armies use "Group" for artillery units). Thank you for the update. I did create a new graphic for the Latvian Armed Forces as there were also a lot of changes in the National Guard: File:Latvia Armed Forces 2019.png. Please keep me updated to any further changes and I will update the graphics accordingly. Also: please add new discussions in the future to the bottom of my talk page (as per wiki standard). Thank you and happy holidays to you, Noclador (talk) 19:41, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

File:6th US Infantry Division 1989.pngEdit

Hello noclador, I was looking through some of your US Army orbat graphics and noticed that you tend to call units 'staff company' that are correctly designated "Headquarters and Headquarters Company", abbreviated HHC. In the US Army the term 'staff' to designate a unit is not used.

  • For example, in the 6th Infantry Division graphic, all of the units called staff company should be 'Headquarters and Headquarters Company', and 'Staff Battery' should be 'Headquarters and Headquarters Battery'.
  • The chart is also missing:
  • the Headquarters and Headquarters Company for the Support Command
  • and the 6th Infantry Division Band (which was directly under the division, suggest putting it below the division HHC).
  • Another relatively minor inaccuracy is that for company designations, the official unit designations are in the order of, for example, 'Company F, 123rd Aviation', not 'F Company, 123rd Aviation'.
  • The US Army, for combat units, also did not use the term 'regiment' in the official designations of battalions between 1959 and 2005, so for example with the '4th Squadron, 9th Cavalry Regiment' you could just write '4th Squadron, 9th Cavalry', avoiding the abbreviations.
  • If you are going to mark the roundout units, like the 205th, suggest doing that also for the 1st Battalion, 188th Air Defense Artillery by adding in parentheses (ND ARNG) below the unit name, as the 1-188 ADA was from the North Dakota Army National Guard.
  • 205th Light Infantry Brigade is more officially designated 205th Infantry Brigade (Light)
  • 205th Infantry Brigade (Light) was headquartered at Fort Snelling during this period, so you could add its location for consistency with the regular brigades.
  • Also about the 205th: In the US the Army Reserve is a purely Federal organization, so 'Minnesota Army Reserve' is potentially confusing, suggest just adding (Army Reserve) in parentheses after the unit designation.

Kges1901 (talk) 22:54, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

@Kges1901: I created an updated version of the graphic based on your input: File:6th US Infantry Division 1989.png Please check for errors and omissions. Below follow the changes:
  • Headquarters and Headquarters Company  
  • Headquarters and Headquarters Company for the Support Command  
  • 6th Infantry Division Band - I do not have a symbol for military bands and usually I only do operational units. Is the band really needed?
  • Company F etc.  
  • Regiment -   I did it for the Cavalry unit, but was not sure about the infantry, artillery and aviation units. Please confirm that "Regiment" should be removed from these units too.
  • 1-188 ADA  
  • 205th Infantry Brigade (Light)  
  • Fort Snelling  
  • (Army Reserve)  
Noclador (talk) 10:55, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your prompt response.
  • The band is shown in the army's official TO&E charts with the symbol being a white square with the text 'BAND' in the center, similarly to the MP unit symbol. In the chart, there is no size marker above the symbol.
  • You can also remove 'regiment' from the infantry, artillery, and aviation units.
  • 'Coy' as an abbreviation for company is used in Commonwealth militaries. In the US military 'Co.' tends to be the abbreviation for company.
  • 'Btn' is fairly uncommon in the US context as an abbreviation. 'Bn' is overwhelmingly standard in the US military.
  • The 2nd Battalion, 123rd Aviation was an Army Reserve unit. You can add (Army Reserve) below the unit name.
  • Same as above comment for 3rd Battalion, 14th Field Artillery - also reserve unit.
  • 1st Brigade, 6th Infantry Divsion also had a 3rd infantry battalion: the 'roundout' 6th Battalion, 297th Infantry (AK ARNG)
  • '6th Aviation Brigade' – By 1986 the the aviation brigades were known as combat aviation brigades, change to '6th Combat Aviation Brigade'.
  • Typo - 'Fort Wainright' should be 'Fort Wainwright'
Kges1901 (talk) 12:38, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@Kges1901: Updated. Please check File:6th US Infantry Division 1989.png. I created graphics for every US division in 1989 (see: Category:Military OrBat Graphics/Historic/Cold War). If you are up for it we can update all the graphics of US divisions (Will take some time as I am currently in work stress, but I am up for it). Noclador (talk) 13:43, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I have already seen the category and would be interested in helping with the updating of the others. Doing more internet research on the 6th ID, though, I have some more comments:
  • Companies F and G of the 123rd Aviation were both under the US Army Regimental System assigned to the 1st Battalion, 123rd Aviation. For example, the full unit designation for Company F would be 'Company F, 1st Battalion, 123rd Aviation'
Troop E, 4th Cavalry was the Army Reserve roundout unit that served as the ground reconnaissance troop for the 4th Squadron, 9th Cavalry.
  • 501st Parachute Infantry' is not the official unit designation, even though it is an airborne unit; the formal designation in 1989 would have been '1st Battalion, 501st Infantry'. Kges1901 (talk) 16:14, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Update 3Edit

@Kges1901: Updated. One question: Troop E, 4th Cavalry and 4th Squadron, 9th Cavalry - are these the correct symbols? As it is now the troop has the "reconnaissance symbol" and the squadron the "airborne reconnaissance squadron". You wrote: "Troop E... was... the ground reconnaissance troop for the 4th Squadron, 9th Cavalry" - so if the troop was the ground element, then what was the 4th Squadron? best, Noclador (talk) 18:32, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

  • My source for this is an article in Armor Magazine, March-April 1996, which states that the squadron had a "headquarters and headquarters troop, two 'air cavalry' troops with OH-58 and AH-1 helicopters". It was authorized a ground cavalry troop, but because of budget constraints they had instead the Army Reserve roundout unit, which was likely equipped with Humvees. On the other hand, it might be best not to show Troop E, 4th Cavalry, because as I understand it, in event of full mobilization, the troop would have been subordinate to 4-9 Cav and this chart does not show the subordinate units of battalion-strength units.  
  • An example of how to show the noncombat units would be this chart from CMH Pub 69-4-1, The army of excellence : the development of the 1980s army. Naturally the current format with individual infantry brigades shown is preferable, but otherwise I think that the way the chart shows the support units looks better if you add the units listed below.
  • The Division Support Command included the 706th Maintenance Battalion, the 6th Supply and Transportation Battalion, and the 6th Medical Battalion. (source for this is contemporary newspaper clippings)  
  • Another unit part of the division was the 6th Signal Battalion. (also from contemporary newspaper clippings)  
  • '90th Combat Engineer Battalion' is incorrect, should be '6th Engineer Battalion' per contemporary newspaper clippings and army lineage information.  
  • The division had the 16th Military Police Company, reactivated in 1988. The 6th MP Company was in Germany at the time.  
  • Still a typo under the 2nd Brigade for Fort Wainwright.  
  • After looking into the aviation brigade more thoroughly, the official designation was 'Aviation Brigade, 6th Infantry Division', the term Combat Aviation Brigade was not officially used until the modular reorganization of the mid-2000s. Using the informal title could create confusion with the contemporary 6th Cavalry Brigade, the III Corps aviation brigade, which is sometimes incorrectly called the 6th Aviation Brigade.   Kges1901 (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
@Kges1901: Updated. Fixed all the errors, choose better symbols, added the states to the various bases (i.e. (MN) to Fort Snelling), etc. Two things: 1) all the charts I created are from left to right: combat units, artillery, supports. To change that would require 100s of hours. So I will leave the support units to the right. 2) Shouldn't there be a third battalion under 2nd Brigade? And last but not least a question: do we know what the location of the Support Command was? Noclador (talk) 13:39, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
  • It looks great the way it is organized now.
  • The budget cuts resulted in the 2nd Brigade's third battalion never being activated. One would think that another battalion of the 297th would have been assigned as a roundout like with the 1st Brigade, but I can find no proof of this.
  • The Division Support Command was at Fort Richardson, according to contemporary newspapers.
  • Company C, 228th Aviation, equipped with the CH-47, was also part of the Aviation Brigade, per contemporary newspapers and unit documents posted online. Kges1901 (talk) 22:35, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

File:3rd US Armored Division 1989.pngEdit


  • Not sure how detailed you want to get with unit locations, but I noted them anyway in case you want to add them
  • As before, Staff Company should be Headquarters & Headquarters Company (HHC is the abbreviation since I prefer not to type this out each time) and Staff Battery should be Headquarters and Headquarters Battery
  • Suggest consistently using the unit size symbols for the brigades, as divisional brigades were generally commanded by colonels
  • A Battery and F Battery should be Battery A and Battery F
  • As with the 6th ID, G Company should be Company G and H Company should be Company H
  • As with the 6th ID, Regiment is not necessary
  • As with the 6th ID, Btn should be Bn
  • 1-36 Infantry reflagged as 5-18 Infantry on 16 June 1989
  • Aforementioned 5-18 Infantry was with 3rd Brigade, so 2nd Brigade's 5-18 Infantry placement is incorrect - the 1-48 Infantry reflagged as 4-18 Infantry on 16 June 1989 with 2nd Brigade
  • Add 3rd Armored Division Band at Frankfurt
  • DISCOM was at Frankfurt, not Hanau
  • Add HHC of DISCOM
  • Under DISCOM
  • 22nd Chemical Company was under DISCOM, located at Frankfurt
  • add 503rd Support Battalion, located at Kirchgoens
  • add 54th Support Battalion, located at Friedberg
  • add 45th Support Battalion, located at Gelnhausen
  • add 122nd Support Battalion, located at Hanau
  • Other Division Troops
  • 503rd MP Co was at Frankfurt
  • Officially, the 23rd Engineer Battalion was not called 'Combat Engineer'. 'Engineer Combat Battalions' were WWII units, and the combat modifier is not appended on the 3AD association site, showing that 'combat' fell out of use by the 1980s.
  • Add 143rd Signal Battalion, Frankfurt Kges1901 (talk) 02:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

File:8th US Infantry Division 1989.pngEdit


  • Suggest consistently using the unit size symbols for the brigades, as divisional brigades were generally commanded by colonels
  • Staff Company to Headquarters & Headquarters Company, Staff Battery to Headquarters & Headquarters Battery, as before
  • Remove 'Regiment', as before
  • G Company and H Company should be Company G and Company H
  • C Battery should be Battery C
  • Btn should be Bn
  • Add 8th Infantry Division Band
  • Gonsenhin should be Gonsenheim
  • Mainz Finthen should be Mainz-Finthen
  • 12th Combat Engineer Battalion should be 12th Engineer Battalion
  • DISCOM was actually at Bad Kreuznach
  • Under DISCOM:
  • 118th Support Battalion at Gonsenheim
  • 202nd Support Battalion at Mannheim
  • 208th Support Battalion at Baumholder
  • 708th Support Battalion at Bad Kreuznach
  • 25th Chemical Company was under DISCOM
  • Add 8th Signal Battalion at Bad Kreuznach Kges1901 (talk) 03:14, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

File:3rd US Infantry Division 1989.pngEdit

Comments (major source for these changes is US Army in Germany unofficial website, which has a contemporary article from the division newspaper that describes its structure:

  • Suggest consistently using the unit size symbols for the brigades, as divisional brigades were generally commanded by colonels
  • Staff Company to Headquarters & Headquarters Company, Staff Battery to Headquarters & Headquarters Battery, as before
  • Remove 'Regiment', as before
  • Coy should be Co, as before
  • G Company and H Company should be Company G and Company H
  • A Battery should be Battery A
  • Btn should be Bn
  • Add 3rd Infantry Division Band
  • 4-3 ADA was in Kitzingen, and it reflagged from 3rd Battalion, 67th Air Defense Artillery on 16 July 1989
  • 10th Combat Engineer Battalion should be 10th Engineer Battalion
  • 10th Engineer Battalion had HHC, two of four line companies, and the bridge company at Kitzingen, while the other two companies were at Schweinfurt and Bad Kissingen
  • 4-4 Cav reflagged as 3-4 Cav on 16 June 1989, and was the only 4th Brigade (Aviation) unit at Schweinfurt (rest of the 4th Brigade was at Giebelstadt, as correctly shown). As a heavy division cavalry squadron, it had headquarters troop, two cavalry troops with Bradleys ("A" and "B" Trps), two air cavalry troops with AH-1s and OH-58s ("C" and "D" Trps), a Long Range Surveillance Detachment ("E" Trp), and a Border Camp Detachment
  • 92nd Chemical Company was at Giebelstadt by 1987 (and still in 1989), Würzburg error may be because it was apparently there in the early 1980s
  • Add 123rd Signal Battalion at Würzburg
  • HHB of DIVARTY was at Würzburg, but:
  • 2-41 FA was at Bad Kissingen
  • 5-41 FA was at Schweinfurt
  • 6-41 FA was at Kitzingen
  • Battery A, 76th FA, the MLRS battery, was at Bamberg
  • Battery A, 25th FA, a target acquisition unit, was at Wertheim (DIVARTY stationing locations from Pull-out map in Field Artillery, December 1989
  • Add HHC of DISCOM
  • Under DISCOM:
  • Add 3rd Support Battalion at Schweinfurt
  • Add 26th Support Battalion at Aschaffenburg
  • Add 203rd Support Battalion at Kitzingen
  • Add 703rd Support Battalion - HQ and 3 companies at Kitzingen, other 3 companies at Würzburg Kges1901 (talk) 01:38, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

File:4th US Infantry Division 1989.pngEdit


  • Suggest consistently using the unit size symbols for the brigades, as divisional brigades were generally commanded by colonels
  • Staff Company to Headquarters & Headquarters Company, Staff Battery to Headquarters & Headquarters Battery, as before
  • Remove 'Regiment', as before
  • D Company and E Company should be Company G and Company H
  • C Battery should be Battery C, A Battery should be Battery A
  • Btn should be Bn
  • Add 4th Infantry Division Band
  • Under DISCOM:
  • Add 4th Support Battalion
  • Add 64th Support Battalion
  • Add 204th Support Battalion
  • Add 704th Support Battalion
  • Add 124th Signal Battalion
  • 4th Engineer Combat Battalion should be 4th Engineer Battalion
  • 1-3 ADA was activated on 16 July 1989, reflagged from 4-61 ADA
  • 2-7 Cav was a heavy division air cavalry squadron similar to 8th ID's
  • On 15 December 1989 the 2nd Brigade was inactivated due to budget constraints and the 116th Cavalry Brigade of the Idaho, Oregon, and Nevada ARNG assigned as roundout.
  • 2-120 was an NC ARNG roundout unit.

Not done. Kges1901 (talk) 12:28, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

3rd Inf., 8th Inf., 3rd ArmorEdit

@Kges1901: I am back from work and updated:

Please check for errors and omissions. Also:

need to be updated with the new info. I would prefer if you could do that as you have the sources and can added them to the text. In case it will help you I can add the new info and you only add the sources in a second step. Please let me know how to proceed. Noclador (talk) 17:57, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I already have updated the articles. Noclador (talk) 17:35, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay. I intend to update with sources. Kges1901 (talk) 21:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
no worries, I had some time and did a quick update. When you have time let's continue the work. After we have done all the divisions I will update the graphics of the corps. Cheers, Noclador (talk) 22:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Lithuanian Armed Forces 2017.pngEdit


Firstly, I have to commend you on the wonderful work you've done. That said, there are a few things that are not quite right with the Lithuanian Defence Forces orbat. After the 2018 reform, many things were changed that aren't immediately obvious. One of the main things is that there is no Joint Staff anymore (new name is Defence Staff and it lays between Chief of Defence and all units). Military Academy don't belong to this structure amd lays straight under Minister of Defence. The two brigades has also new units as Iron Wolf BRG has new Logistic battalion and Žemaitija BRG (ENG name is Griffon BRG) has infantry battalion named Duke Margiris battalion. There are also some differences outside the main branches.

I can help you translate the material if you need it. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 06:19, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment and please do help in updating the graphics and articles. You can either update the respective articles: en:Lithuanian Land Force, en:Lithuanian Air Force, en:Lithuanian Naval Force, en:Lithuanian Special Operations Force, and en:Lithuanian National Defence Volunteer Forces; and I will take the information from there, or you can list all the changes here below and when you have completed that task, I will update the graphics and the articles. Noclador (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

United States Army Full OrbatEdit

Can I start by saying how much of a fan I am of your work. I wish I had the skills to do it. I was wondering if you are going to make a full US army OrBat like with the UK or Australia (to name a few)?


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Arles2464 (talk • contribs) 07:51, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, and thank you for the compliment for my work. It's all just patience and photoshop work. A full US Army OrBat with it's 100+ brigades (excluding 80+ Army National Guard and 40+ Army reserve brigades) would be way too big as a file. 30-35 brigades is the limit that makes sense to do. Therefore I have been creating OrBats of parts of the US Army i.e. File:I_Corps_US_Army.png, File:III Corps US Army.png, File:XVIII Corps US Army.png, File:US Army Europe Structure 2018.png, File:US Army Pacific.png, File:US Army Pacific.png. Full OrBats for i.e. FORSCOM would be just too big. Noclador (talk) 10:16, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

French ground forcesEdit

Hi, you've done a great job with your Structure of the Armée de Terre 2018. I'm just there to ask if you could put the 24e RI in the COM LOG it would be awsome cause i'm part of it and i'm always sad we appear nowhere on it. Again great job with, I couldn't do this kind of things by myself x)

thank you for the compliments and I will add the 24e RI over the Easter weekend. Thank you for letting me know about this omission! Noclador (talk) 18:53, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Done. Noclador (talk) 08:32, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Stemma Brigata AOSTAEdit

Ciao Noclador, sarei grato di inviarti uno scudetto della Brigata Motorizzata AOSTA adottato dal 1961 al 1976. Lo scudetto fu cambiato poichè si confondeva con quello della Brigata Meccanizzata FRIULI e venne adottato l'attuale.

Hi Noclador, I would be grateful to send you a coat of the Motorized Brigade AOSTA adopted from 1961 to 1976. The coat was changed as it was confused with that of the FRIULI Mechanized Brigade and the current scudetto was adopted.

Such a file doesn't exist. Noclador (talk) 16:42, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
File:Brigata Motorizzata AOSTA Coat 1961-1976.jpg
Questo stemma fu sostituito dall'attuale perché poteva indurre in confusione con lo stemma della Brigata Meccanizzata FRIULI
Lo stemma riportava l' ARCO di AUGUSTO (25 b.C.) presente ad AOSTA.
Thank you. I will create a png version of it in the coming days. Noclador (talk) 08:46, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Italian Cavalry CoAEdit

Dear Noclador, alas not, I'm sorry but I will have to overwrite the "non-historical" CoA. Quite simply, your "adapted" CoAs (i.e., elements from the historical CoAs redrawn according to the modern italian army regulations) *never* existed, so they can not be accepted as a valid entry. I understand that you put a lot of work in them, and they are truly beautifully done, but unfortunately they are a pure work of fantasy and are currently just a source of confusion and historical inaccuracy. Again, I'm sorry, but factually wrong information (including graphic ones) *must* be corrected in an encyclopedic context, no matter how nice and well done they are. All the best --Arturolorioli (talk) 12:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I know that we emulated the stemmi from the old ones and I always expected that one day another editor would create the correct old ones. But I didn't expect that someone would be so rude to overwrite the stemmi I created. If I found incorrect stemmi I either contacted the original uploader and asked if I could overwrite his upload or I uploaded the correct stemma under another name and then replaced the incorrect one in all articles. Of the possible variants you chose the one I consider the most rude and for the future I would suggest to you to contact the original uploaders before committing to dispiriting actions. Noclador (talk) 20:15, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Wow. Truly upset. But alas not, dear Noclador, I've not been "rude" at all. Far from that, and there is no need to throw a tantrum or get short tempered, please, this is a cooperative encyclopedia, not an ego-contest arena. I've just corrected what, from your own words, were *intentionally* fake entries in Wikimedia Commons. That, to be perfectly clear, is a major violation of *any* wikimedia standard. Moreover, as you can easily see, your "fantasy" CoAs have *not* been cancelled, they are still visible, accessible and fully attributed to you, so no damage to your work have been done: the only result of the corrections is that now anybody willing to load those CoAs will find first the right ones, and not the fantasy fakes you intentionally loaded. About asking for "permission" before correcting factual errors (or fakes), that's a truly weird concept, and exactly the opposite to the very concept of Wikipedia. But anyway, let it be. Please calm down, relax, and think again about what have happened and why: I'm sorry if you wasted time with those fakes, but it's not my fault, they were incorrect, misleading and factually wrong entries that shouldn't have been loaded at all to start with, and as such they *must* be corrected. Nothing personal, nothing hostile, nothing "rude". Take it in the right spirit, and if you want to redrawn the wrong CoAs yourself please do and replace the ones I loaded, you did a great job (in graphic quality terms) with the fake ones and I'm perfectly sure you will do much better than me in drawing the right ones: and it will not be "rude", it will be "helpful" ;) . All the best --Arturolorioli (talk) 13:32, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

File:Indian Army Structure.pngEdit

Hello. May I ask what is the source of the information about Indian Army's structure in File:Indian Army Structure.png ? Thanks. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 08:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, the file was created in 2010 and the data used to create it was the information listed in the Indian Army article. Today that information is at en:Indian Army#Command structure. That information is outdated. If/when a reliable updated structure will be posted to the Indian Army wiki page I will update the graphic. Noclador (talk) 23:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Italian Bersaglieri CoAEdit

Dear Nocaldor, please correct a mistake among the Italian Bersaglieri CoAs that you have published : the file "CoA mil ITA rgt bersaglieri 05.png" should be renamed "CoA mil ITA btg bersaglieri 14.png". The 5th Bersaglieri Rgt was a Royal Army unit disbanded in 1943 and was never reactivated, so of course it can not have a CoA drawn according to the 1997 regulations of the (republican) Italian Army. It's the same problem we had with several of the Italian cavaly CoAs you published, see above. But in this case the CoA you published is not a "fantasy" one, but simply a misnamed correct historical one, namely the CoA of the 14th Bersaglieri Battalion "Sernaglia" (1987-1989) that held the traditions and heritage of the 5th Rgt, but was *not* the 5th Rgt. So no need to replace the drawing, it just have to be renamed correctly and it will be perfectly OK. I would much appreciate if you could drop me a note after the correction, so I'll be able to publish the correct 5th Bersaglieri Regiment historical CoA (1939 version) under the "CoA mil ITA rgt bersaglieri 05.png" heading. All the best. --Arturolorioli (talk) 10:32, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

No. Non è un errore. Nel Tomo III della storia ufficiale dei reparti dell'esercito "L’esercito Italiano verso il 2000. I corpi disciolti. Volume Secondo" questo stemma veniva pubblicato come stemma del "5° Reggimento Bersaglieri (14° Battaglione Bersaglieri "Sernaglia")", per quello l'ho caricato su commons come: CoA mil ITA rgt bersaglieri 05.png. Le unità dei Bersaglieri nel Tomo III, dove il battaglione veniva nominato per primo (per esempio il "26° Battaglione Bersaglieri "Castelfidardo" (4° Reggimento Bersaglieri)") ho caricato su commons come CoA mil ITA btg bersaglieri 26.png. Se vuoi ti posso anche mandare una foto del pagina con il stemma con la designazione che è il stemma del 5° Reggimento Bersaglieri. And btw. The 14th was active from 1977, when the Distaccamento 16° Battaglione Fanteria "Savona" (BAR) became the 14° Battaglione Bersaglieri "Sernaglia" (BAR). The stemma was created by the "Decreto 7 settembre 1977" e poi aggiornato nel 1987. Noclador (talk) 12:53, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Gentile amico, tempo purtroppo che sia invece davvero un errore. Il 5° Reggimento bersaglieri, unità del Regio Esercito, è stato sciolto in Tunisia nel maggio del 1943 e *non* è stato più ricostituito nel dopoguerra. Quindi, come ti ho già detto, non è possibile che abbia uno stemma dell'Esercito Italiano (di cui non ha mai fatto parte) ne tanto meno realizzato secondo le regole dettate dalla circolare 121 del 9 febbraio 1987 (ossia 40 anni *dopo* essere stato sciolto). Lo stemma che hai così bene realizzato è quello del 14° Battaglione bersaglieri "Sernaglia" così come fu in uso tra il 1987 ed il 1989 (quando fu sciolto). Precedentemente (dal 1977 al 1987) lo stesso battaglione aveva uno stemma simile (realizzato secondo le regole della circolare 210 del 13 febbraio 1950, ossia con il cimiero d'armi al posto della corona turrita e la lista dritta anziché curva). Quindi ti chiedo nuovamente, per cortesia, di rinominare il file in modo esatto, ossia come ""CoA mil ITA btg bersaglieri 14.png": è uno stemma vero e che è stato effettivamente in uso (anche se brevemente) e va conservato e mantenuto disponibile agli utenti di Wilimedia, ma, ovviamente, sotto il suo vero nome, non quello di un altro reparto. Saluti cordiali. --Arturolorioli (talk) 14:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
No. Il Tomo III di "L’esercito Italiano verso il 2000. I corpi disciolti. Volume Secondo", pubblicato dall'Ufficio Storico del Stato Maggiore dell'Esercito Italiano lo lista come "5° Reggimento Bersaglieri (14° Battaglione Bersaglieri "Sernaglia")" - finché non porti una fonte autoritativa che dice che l'Ufficio Storico dello Stato Maggiore dell'Esercito Italiano si è sbagliato a attribuire lo stemma al 5° Reggimento Bersaglieri non possiamo cambiare il nome dello stemma. Noclador (talk) 23:01, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Gentile amico, temo che tu stia inutilmente rendendo complicata una questione semplicissima. Se apri il Tomo I, Vol.II, pag.479 di "L'Esercito Italiano verso il 2000" (opera da te citata e che quindi sicuramente possiedi, e che avendola tu citata ritieni ovviamente "autoritativa") troverai la seguente descrizione storica riferita al 5° Reggimento bersaglieri: "Nel 1942 è inviato in Africa Settentrionale ove partecipa alle operazioni fino al mese di Maggio 1943 allorché, per eventi bellici E' SCIOLTO IN TUNISIA" (maiuscole mie). Segue la descrizione dell'attivazione e dell'attività del 14° Battaglione bersaglieri "Sernaglia" a partire dal 15 aprile 1977, "al quale vengono affidate la bandiera e le tradizioni di valore del 5° Reggimento". Quindi, come ti ho già ripetuto due volte, ed ora la terza, il 5° Reggimento Bersaglieri del Regio Esercito è stato sciolto nel 1943 e mai più ricostituito, mentre il 14° Battaglione Bersaglieri dell'Esercito Italiano è stato erede delle *tradizioni* del 5° Reggimento Bersaglieri, ma non ne ha mai ereditato il nome. Lo stemma che tu hai pubblicato è quindi quello usato del 14° Battaglione Bersaglieri tra il 1987 ed il 1989, non quello del 5° Reggimento Bersaglieri, che non ha *mai* fatto parte dell'Esercito Italiano (era del Regio Esercito) e che è stato sciolto 34 anni *prima* dell'attivazione del 14° Btg (e della relativa attribuzione ad esso dello stemma araldico Mod.1950, simile a quello da te pubblicato) e 44 anni *prima* dell'attribuzione al 14° Btg. dello stemma araldico Mod.1987 (uguale a quello da te pubblicato). Come vedi, è una questione *semplicissima* e senza *alcuna* possibilità di dubbio o di equivoco. Quindi ti chiedo nuovamente e per la terza volta, sempre nel modo più amichevole, di rinominare per cortesia il file in modo esatto, ossia come ""CoA mil ITA btg bersaglieri 14.png". Saluti sempre cordiali. --Arturolorioli (talk) 11:21, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Per la pace. Ma anche se vorrei, non posso cambiare il nome, perché ho appena visto che esiste già un file di questo nome: File:CoA mil ITA btg bersaglieri 14.png. Hai dei suggerimenti? Noclador (talk) 12:19, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Gentile amico, potresti rinominarlo "CoA mil ITA btg bersaglieri 14 (1987).png", ovverosia aggiungendo tra parentesi la data in cui è stata adottata la versione "con corona" dello stemma, quella da te disegnata. Saluti cordiali. --Arturolorioli (talk) 13:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

33° Reggimento FanteriaEdit

Dear Nocaldor, please correct a mistake among the italian infantry CoAs that you have published : the file "CoA mil ITA rgt fanteria 033.png" should be renamed "CoA mil ITA btg fanteria 033.png". The 33rd Rgt "Livorno" was a Royal Army unit disbanded in 1943 and was never reactivated, so of course it can not have a CoA drawn according to the 1987 regulations of the (republican) Italian Army. It's the same problem we had with several other CoAs you published, see above. The CoA you published is the misnamed correct historical CoA of the 33rd Battaglione Fanteria "Ardenza" (1987-1991) that held the traditions and heritage of the 33rd Rgt "Livorno", but was *not* the 33th Rgt "Livorno". Please ask the Admins *not* to simply redirect the file to a new name, but to rename it entirely as a new file, so the name "CoA mil ITA rgt fanteria 033.png"" will be available to publish the correct 33rd Regiment historical CoA (1939 version). Thanks in advance and all the best. --Arturolorioli (talk) 13:56, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Just to clarify: I named the coat of arms as listed in the books of L'Esercito Italiano verso il 2000. So you might find other units that are listed as "rgt". That is not my invention, but because in the books they were listed as such. Looking back at the book now... it doesn't make much sense how the units were listed there: sometimes the regiment only, other times the battalion only, other times again the above regiment and the battalion in brackets below, and then also sometimes the battalion above and the regiment in brackets below. I will ask to rename the file and suggest you create a list will units that need renaming. Best, Noclador (talk) 15:09, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Dear Noclador, yes, you are absolutely right, the source book is very poorly edited and awfully incoherent in its listing method, I understand how it could have easily generated the mistakes we are currently talking about. But, alas, the mistakes are there, they must be corrected and the faster way to get a renaming by the Admins is, AFAIK, a direct request by the author: that's why I'm sending the renaming requests to you. Hope it's not too much trouble. All the best. --Arturolorioli (talk) 15:34, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Nessun problema. Let me know when you have some coat of arms to be renamed, but we need to make sure that the renaming doesn't mess up existing articles. I spent some time today fixing such errors that the renaming of the 33° Ardenza created. Noclador (talk) 19:03, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


Dear Noclador, I think it would be better to retain the current arrangement, i.e. a single common page for all regiments, showing (so far) only the most recent CoA. That means that for the current units (or the units disbanded after 1987) will be shown the nice CoAs that you have drawn, while for the units disbanded during WW2 will be shown the 1939 CoAs that I'm currently drawing. In this way any user looking for a specific regimental CoA will have to go to a single page: faster and easier. --Arturolorioli (talk) 10:49, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

1st Alpini RegimentEdit

Dear Nocaldor, please correct a mistake among the italian infantry CoAs that you have published : the file "File:CoA mil ITA rgt alpini 001.png" should be renamed "File:CoA mil ITA btg alpini Mondovì.png". The 1st Alpini Rgt was disbanded in 1946 and was never reactivated. Please ask the Admins *not* to simply redirect the file to a new name, but to rename it entirely as a new file, so the name "File:CoA mil ITA rgt alpini 001.png" will be available to publish the correct 1st Alpini Regiment historical CoA (1939 version). Thanks in advance and all the best. --Arturolorioli (talk) 13:56, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Arturolorioli (talk • contribs) 19:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

: : Done. Noclador (talk) 20:39, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

F-35 operators graphic needs to be updatedEdit


Can you repost the map at with Turkey removed? The current map does not reflect the US F-35 ban as of 7/17/19. —Preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 16:11, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

British Army : new structureEdit

Esercito italiano 2017Edit

Egregio Noclador, complimenti per l'incredibile lavoro. Per la struttura EI 2017, visto che hai apportato anche il recente cambio di denominazione della Divisione Friuli, mi permetto di osservare che il 3° reggimento artiglieria della Brigata Julia si è trasferito il 3 novembre 2016 dalla Caserma Cantore di Tolmezzo (Ud) alla Caserma Lesa di

\ (Ud. Per la Brigata Granatieri di Sardegna il 2° battaglione Granatieri "Cengio" è unità autonoma a livello battaglione (non reggimento) nella sede di Spoleto ed in data 21 novembre 2017 ha ricevuto la Bandiera di Guerra del 2° Reggimento “Granatieri di Sardegna”. Un cordiale saluto e di nuovo complimenti. EM

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Enzus59 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
Grazie per i complimenti :-) Oh già corretto il 3° reggimento artiglieria e il 2° battaglione Granatieri "Cengio". Forse lei lo sa: e vero che il Cengio è pianificato di diventare di nuovo reggimento nel 2021? Grazie per avermi avvertito all'errore e al cambiamento. cheers, Noclador (talk) 18:47, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
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