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Lepidoptera of FranceEdit

Hi Rudolphous; copying pictures from Category:Lepidoptera of French Guiana directly into Category:Nymphalidae of France (and similars) is not a great idea, because French mainland and Guiana are on different continents and thus have completely different species. Could you make your bot use categories such as Category:Nymphalidae of French Guiana instead? Thanks --LamBoet (talk) 17:12, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

yes, good idea. Rudolphous (talk) 17:15, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
This is done Category:Lepidoptera of French Guiana. I think we need this for Category:Lepidoptera of Réunion too? Rudolphous (talk) 17:56, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your prompt reaction :-)
Yes, the same trick would be useful for other overseas territories: currently there are categories for Réunion, Guadeloupe, Martinique, and New Caledonia. --LamBoet (talk) 18:04, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
done for these territories now too. Rudolphous (talk) 19:21, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Papilio sennomaEdit

Hi, I just noticed that you had created Category:Papilio sennoma, and I was surprised that this species doesn't seem to exist at all. Well, it turns out that the filename "Papilio sennoma" is not a scientific name, but just means "unnamed butterfly" in esperanto ;-D --LamBoet (talk) 18:44, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

 :-) Oke, that cat is removed now. Rudolphous (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Lepidoptera of the United StatesEdit

Hi Rudolphous, thanks for putting some order into these categories :-) Could you perhaps also make your bot add "Unidentified Lepidoptera of the United States" in situations such as --> this one? Thanks --LamBoet (talk) 21:36, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I can have a look later next week. Do we have already a clear definition when a lepidoptera is unidentified? Rudolphous (talk) 21:43, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I would say, anything that isn't identified all the way to species level, i.e. any picture that is recursively in a subcategory of Category:Unidentified Lepidoptera. --LamBoet (talk) 22:10, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

2 imagesEdit

Dear Rudolphous, Do you have time to review these 2 images. Sadly, Commons does not have any images of this Tubaria confragosa mushroom species.

Thank for all your help and Have a Good Day. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

  • Its OK. MB298 has marked them. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 22:40, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Lepidoptera in zoosEdit

Hi Rudolphous, please keep in mind that pictures categorized in Category:Lepidoptera in zoos (and its subcategories) should not be put in any subcategory of Category:Lepidoptera by country, because they are not wild animals, and the location of their butterfly house/zoo is often completely different from their origin. See for example File:Papilio demoleus (Wroclaw zoo)-2.jpg. Thanks --LamBoet (talk) 16:20, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Agree, shall take care. Rudolphous (talk) 16:23, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi Rudolphous, again, your bot is sending tens of unwanted pictures from zoos into per-country categories, for example in Category:Nymphalidae of the United Kingdom. Please correct this, this is a real problem... --LamBoet (talk) 06:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
I shall correct them. Question:Do we have to consider this as a zoo [1] ? - Rudolphous (talk) 20:42, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes we do: you can see that Category:Lepidoptera in the Botanischer Garten München-Nymphenburg is contained in Category:Lepidoptera in zoos in Germany.
To be complete, any picture that is in a category downstream from Category:Lepidoptera in zoos should be removed from all categories downstream from Category:Lepidoptera by country. --LamBoet (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Good idea. I corrected some by hand. Will soon make a script to check and correct the rest. Rudolphous (talk) 08:24, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Odd location editEdit

[2] Yes, panoramio geo tag was some 100 meters off mark ... but it was just as far from Nikolskaya street. I wonder how many similarly tagged files ended up in wrong streets? is it possible to extract logs, say, related to category:Moscow? Retired electrician (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

The following files are changed by RudolphousBot and related to Moscow User:Rudolphous/Moscow. 20:41, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Pefect! thank you, Retired electrician (talk) 06:49, 9 February 2018 (UTC)


LigaDue (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC)


....please pay attention to the many duplicates of the orchids. Orchi (talk) 13:26, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Oke, good to know. Will delete them. Rudolphous (talk) 15:47, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
....dank u wel. Orchi (talk) 14:55, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Nieuwedijk --> NieuwendijkEdit

Hallo Rudolphous, er zijn nogal wat files waar de spelling kan gecorrigeerd worden (zowel de filenames als de beschrijving ervan). Kan jij dit in one go doen?   Lotje (talk) 10:58, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Ik heb de meeste inmiddels gedaan. Rudolphous (talk) 11:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Bedankt, wanneer ik er nog tegenkom pas ik ze ook nog aan. :) Lotje (talk) 14:24, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Caution with uncertain species namesEdit

Hi Rudolphous, when the species name in the description has a question mark, could you please not put the picture in this species category, but in the higher-level "Unidentified..." one? This will avoid mistakes such as this and this. Thanks. --LamBoet (talk) 07:02, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok, shall do this. Rudolphous (talk) 07:07, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Artis Stekelvarken (36498126676).jpgEdit

Hallo Rudolphous is dit misschien een afbeelding die ook kan worden ondergebracht in de Category:Hystrix cristata. Thank you for your time. :) Lotje (talk) 06:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure, it can be also an Category:Hystrix indica or Category:Hystrix africaeaustralis. Rudolphous (talk) 18:47, 19 March 2018 (UTC). Since the photo is from 2017 and this link I think Hystrix Indica. Rudolphous (talk) 18:53, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Category:Insects of Sawtooth National ForestEdit

Hi Rudolphous, be careful, a lot of these are from Idaho, not Utah. Can you correct the ones that you put in Category:Lepidoptera of Utah? Thanks. --LamBoet (talk) 07:35, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. Will do this. Rudolphous (talk) 07:35, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Corrected. Rudolphous (talk) 07:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Nationaal Archief en Spaarnestad Photo join WikipediaEdit

Hallo Rudolphous, is het de bedoeling dat files zoals deze worden ook ondergebracht in de Nationaal Archief en Spaarnestad Photo join Wikipedia? :) Lotje (talk) 05:08, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry lotje, ik weet het antwoord niet. Rudolphous (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Bot categorisationEdit

Please note that your bot categorises images according to the detailed names of the locations - not in line with the geo-coordinates. I've found 3 images (eg File:Drummer accompanies Rajasthani dancing (4571283613).jpg ) taken in Udaipur city, in area called 'Lal Ghat' street - in category 'Lal Ghat' in Varanasi city. As the street names are repeating in many cities - the categories should be checked by bot against consistence of coordinates with higher territorial level. --Oo91 (talk) 21:47, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. This edit is actually an old one and the bot improved a lot after this, see also my archive. I made a OSM mapping Ghats in Varanasi. I found two pictures not edited by RudolphousBot which are weird: [3] and [4]. Do you know if these are correct categorized? Rudolphous (talk) 04:06, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for reply. Regarding the picturesː the building is definitely located in Varanasi. The coordinates are not listed in Exif so I guess that the author located the picture manually, with Flickr tools. Probably by mistake - by editing them along with the batch of Khajuraho images. The same situation occurs in caseː File:India-5522 - Flickr - archer10 (Dennis).jpg - the hotel is obviously not in Khajuraho, what I have corrected. BTW. I'm not sure whether it is useful to keep the old coordinates in 'Summary' section as I did? Now I see that there are few other images with the same issueː File:India-5415 - Flickr - archer10 (Dennis).jpg or File:India-5435 - Flickr - archer10 (Dennis).jpg. It's hard to check all of Varanasi pictures one by one especially that another issue is that some of the pictures of this author are duplicated (uploaded by two different bots/uploaders) and should be deleted. I would leave it as it is for the moment. --Oo91 (talk) 22:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

I just came across File:2013-365-282 Mmmmm Muktuk (10184839444).jpg, to which the bot added Category:Fairbanks, Alaska in December 2017. In my opinion, there is no point whatsoever in having extensive categories for specific cities and census-designated places if were not going to pay any heed to the actual boundaries of those localities, instead appearing to define them by other means. Specifically, the coords resolve to a location that is within a ZIP Code area shared by parts of Fairbanks. As we don't categorize according to ZIP Code areas, but rather according to cities and CDPs, it would be helpful to know that the location is in College CDP, not Fairbanks city limits This exact same sort of thing occurs fairly often.RadioKAOS (talk) 03:29, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Directly following that file on the category page is File:2013-365-283 HooDoo Right! (10226014686).jpg. The coords resolve to the Wood Center Pub at the University of Alaska Fairbanks, which is also in College CDP and not in the city of Fairbanks.RadioKAOS (talk) 03:33, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I have come across several images of Port de Ziama (e.g. this one in the category of Bejaia Province, while it belongs to Ziama Mansouriah in Jijel Province. I don't know how it happened, as there is no mention of Bejaia in the description. I have fixed them.
There is also a lot of images in Medea category of the _city of Medea_ which are from various other places in _Medea Province_. This was not done by your bot, but I wanted to mention it.
I don't know any details of your bot's logic, neither the 'success ratio' in other fields, but considering that fixing wrong categories takes more time than entering new ones from scratch, the above may help in assessing whether automated categorization is better than human one (or improving it). JiriMatejicek (talk) 19:31, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, this is exactly why I stopped geocoding photo's beginning this year. Rudolphous (talk) 05:48, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Working too muchEdit

Hi, admin. I guess you work too much and sit until late at night. (Note: Please don't block me. This has been written relying on your sense of humour, something that any admin must have. :) --E4024 (talk) 12:39, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi E4024, :-) Rudolphous (talk) 13:31, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Sampling location vs. camera location.Edit

Hi Rudolphous, I noticed such edits where your bot categorizes a picture according to the camera GPS location (in this case Occitanie), while this is actually not where the butterfly comes from (in this case Spain) because it is a picture of a museum specimen. So, I suppose, either your bot should avoid this, or we should recommend not to specify the camera location in such cases? Let me ping @Archaeodontosaurus in case he wants to comment. Kind regards --LamBoet (talk) 13:54, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Good point, I can exclude museums like zoos. I fixed in the meantime a couple of other images. Rudolphous (talk) 14:35, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Indeed for the specimens of public collection it is the place of the collection which is given. I had seen that Rudolphous had made modifications on the files, but as for me it is someone of confidence, I had not checked. Perfect now. --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata InfoboxEdit

La inserción de "wikidata infobox" que està realizando tu bot, por ejemplo en Category:Sant Serni (Torà), me parece excesivamente intrusiva. Te ruego tomes ejemplo de Pi bot en Category:Casa Gassó Vidal. Corrige las ediciones que hayas hecho. Gracias.--Isidre blanc (talk) 11:20, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I have no idea what the above-complained-about IB looked like before but I want to thank you for the insertion of the WD IB of 2018-06-04 in village categories (example) since it offers basic information about the place including the administrative units it belongs to and a zoomable map. Good job! --Czeva (talk) 12:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Te ruego compares Category:Cap de Vaquèira con Category:Tuc de Molières. No te parece mejor la segunda? Pues programa tu bot para que situe "wikidata infobox" después de la cabecera y antes de las categorias. Me obligarás a corregir manualmente todas tus ediciones?--Isidre blanc (talk) 22:16, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
@Czeva:: thank you. @Isidre blanc:: fixed a couple of them will do more checks later this week. Rudolphous (talk) 05:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Gracias, Rudolphous.--Isidre blanc (talk) 06:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Por cierto, Rudolphous: en algunos (bastantes) "infobox" observo que no son correctas las coordenadas, por ejemplo: Category:Refugi de Coma de Vaca, Category:Tuc des Crabes, Category:Tuc des Hemnes, Category:Tuc des Neres, Category:Tuc deth Pòrt de Vielha, etc. Son distintas de las que figuran en WD. Puedes averiguar por qué?--Isidre blanc (talk) 14:11, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Isidre blanc, if you think Wikidata is wrong you can up date it with the button left onder. You can paste this format: 42.385371, 2.219055 in the field. I did it for the first instance. Best regards, Rudolphous (talk) 19:50, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Problema resuelto: deben ponerse las coordenadas en WD con mayor precisión. Gracias.--Isidre blanc (talk) 22:56, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata infoboxEdit

Good morning. When you remove the "People by name" model, family names are no longer used for sorting the main category in the different categories (for example : "Category:Jules Poignand" is now sorted with "Jules" instead of "Poignand"). Can you fix it for your recent modifications ? Jospe (talk) 07:46, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Oke, placed them back again. Rudolphous (talk) 13:55, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your RudolphousBotEdit


Thanks for your RudolphousBot. It is usefull to have those infoboxes added to categories like this one [5].


Lionel Allorge (talk) 14:28, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Welcome! :-). Rudolphous (talk) 14:31, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata infobox for peopleEdit

Hi, can you point me to the conversation around the adding of the Wikidata Infobox to people categories? I have a question that has likely been raised by someone, somewhere :) -- Deadstar (msg) 08:28, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi deadstar, I try to help Pi bot, which filed its request here Commons:Bots/Requests/Pi_bot_1. If you have questions about the Infobox then probably this is a better place to ask. Rudolphous (talk) 18:26, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you :) -- Deadstar (msg) 18:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata infobox for DemenEdit

Hi Rudolphous, I don't know exactly how the Wikidata infobox mechanism works (how the data object is identified) but it looks like that it sometimes doesn't work. If you take a look to Category:Demen. The box shows a village in Germany, not Demen in North Brabant. Can you please check this? Regards Bardenoki (talk) 09:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bardenoki, I could fix the problem. There are two items on wikidata: german place dutch place. The property "other sites" of the first one was connected to the commons instead of the second one. So I removed the property of the first one and added it to the second one. Thanks for all your work here. And if you have more questions then you are welcome. Cheers, Rudolphous (talk) 18:18, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Bardenoki (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Interwiki from wikidataEdit

At [6], it's best if {{Interwiki from wikidata}} is also removed, since that's auto-included in the infobox if needed. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 01:16, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I recently added this to the script too. Rudolphous (talk) 06:48, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Also, at Category:Aachen Cathedral, I've been avoiding categories that use the institution template (amongst others - see the python code). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 01:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Oke, will avoid them too. Rudolphous (talk) 06:48, 13 June 2018 (UTC)


This categorization seems to be an error. -- Tuválkin 18:20, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Agree and improved. Rudolphous (talk) 18:52, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Removal of {{mainw}}?Edit

Is this template now deprecated and to be deleted? I see a 'bot run that's auto-removing it. [7]

I'm a bit concerned about this, as it's removing a useful descriptive link and leaving nothing in its place. I won't miss {{mainw}}, but it ought to be replaced by a simple link, not just removed. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:06, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Andy, the template is not deprecated, but it the bot removes it when the Wikidata Infobox is already there. @Mike Peel:: your bot does this too, is this not desired? Rudolphous (talk) 04:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
My bot also does this as the Wikipedia link is displayed in the infobox (and in a multilingual way rather than "here's the link to enwp"), plus it's also in the sidebar (now we have widely-working interwiki links here!). I'd suggest making the edit description clearer, I normally use 'Trim information provided through the Wikidata infobox". Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:07, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
  • There are so many issues with the wikidata infobox roll out. 8-( Bad data quality on wikidata is one, the poor ergonomics of the infobox (the title of the article isn't linked, but "Wikipedia" is - when are we going to remember that readers are hopelessly puzzled by that?) Also the infobox content is usually very skimpy and broadly not useful (telling us that Isaac Newton was a bipedal primate, rather than anything relevant).
I've never liked {{MainW}}: it's ugly, it's over-simplified, it's culturally biased to imply that en:WP is the "main" Wikipedia. But it does have the advantage of giving a link with a clear name, at the top left corner of the page, where the readers look for it. Readers do not look at Wikidata infoboxes full of meaningless and cryptic links to obscure projects they've never heard of.
We also have many articles where hand-edited text has been put at the top of the page, often with several secondary links, such as the surrounding geographical area. I would be most unhappy to see 'bots starting to damage these.
There's also the issue that the template isn't deprecated (and if it's to be bulk-removed by 'bots, it ought to have been first). As always, Commons is making some vast rollout with no communication to the plebians. Why is there no visible discussion of this change? Why is there no link from {{MainW}} to where the announcement was made? What about the (still continuing) efforts to place MainW onto more Commons pages? For the sort of total mess that's possible when these overlap, look at the history of Category:Shore Road Pumping Station, Birkenhead (and others). Andy Dingley (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Andy, Thanks for your message. Since removing mainw from articles seems controversial I will remove this instruction from the bot. The edit you gave as example has also side effects. I will recheck my last edits for similiar cases. Luckily this templates occurres not too often and the summary states where it was removed. If the Infobox is useful or not is maybe better to discuss here Template talk:Wikidata Infobox. I will start also overthere a thread about Mainw. Regards, Rudolphous (talk) 17:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
I checked half of the edits and restored around 300 mainw's and will check soon if the removal of the others did not break something. Rudolphous (talk) 19:59, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Template relocationEdit

What, please, was the purpose of this edit? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:20, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Andy, on mobile view there is not difference, on desktop this version is much more compact as this version. Rudolphous (talk) 17:17, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. That makes sense, but I think {{Object location dec}} can be removed completely, if {{Wikidata Infobox}} is present. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there is already consensus about this. Rudolphous (talk) 19:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
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