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Please read this before posting about User:RussBot: If the bot moved pages out of one category into another one, it did so because the first category contains a {{Category redirect}} template. The bot did not put that template there; a Commons user did. The bot does not create any category redirects, nor does it have any way of determining whether they are correct or not; that has to be done by humans. If you think the first page should not be a redirect, or should be redirected to some other target, you can either change it yourself, discuss it with the user who put the template there in the first place, or raise the issue through the Commons:Categories for discussion process.

Stuck in redirects

For your info: Commons:Village_pump#Stuck_in_category_redirects and User talk:RussBot/category redirect log. Enhancing999 (talk) 13:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, my impression over the years is that no one cares about images/pages being categorized correctly. If you want to spend the time and effort to clean up some of this stuff, more power to you. However, getting anyone else to pay enough attention to the issues to develop a consensus on what the correct category name(s) should be will, in many cases, be a challenge. --R'n'B (talk) 14:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

People do get interested once one selects a few from a category to illustrate Wikipedia (though in some languages they care differently than in others).

I think it's more important to get similar images in the same category than how one actually names them. As for the list, I'm not sure how much it slows down the bot. Enhancing999 (talk) 14:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

The 1800 files that remained in Category:PD Afghanistan for three weeks (category moved, files moved) may have taken 24 minutes to skip each day [1]. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Subcategory for redirects with stuck content?

If the bots gets to "x found, 0 moved", maybe it could add an option to the redirect that categorizes it into a subcategory of Category:Non-empty category redirects? Would make it easier to identified the ones where one would need to investigate further. At the same time, the bot could also normalize {{Category redirect}}. Possibly some other cleanup could be done on the content. In the next run, that subcategory could be handled more quickly. Enhancing999 (talk) 09:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I did a test in the template's sandbox, see Template_talk:Category_redirect#stuck=1_option_for_bot. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Ireland vs Republic of Ireland

Category:Photographs of Ireland by date (unrecognised by the navigation template) vs Category:Photographs of the Republic of Ireland by date. IMO Ireland is the island, physical geography, while Republic of Ireland is the state, political geography. See Commons:Categories for discussion/2021/02/Category:Ireland vs Republic of Ireland category scheme. It doesn't change much for me in the end, but until there is a consensus Category:Ireland remain as well as w:Ireland. I'd say you'd better do a revert here, or if you're sure you're right you waste your time and change all the categories to Ireland (and not the Republic of Ireland). Threecharlie (talk) 15:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I am quite familiar, thank you, with the distinction between the island of Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. My concern was that you created a situation where each of these categories redirected to the other. Pick one. --R'n'B (talk) 16:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Obviously if I had made that change I had already made a choice, don't you think? Threecharlie (talk) 23:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, so you chose that Category:April 2024 Ireland photographs should redirect to Category:April 2024 Republic of Ireland photographs and that Category:April 2024 Republic of Ireland photographs should redirect to Category:April 2024 Ireland photographs? Would you mind explaining the rationale for that choice, since I don't understand it? --R'n'B (talk) 13:25, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

In en.wiki you are an admin, it should not be difficult for you to consult an contributions list. And ok, are you an admin? (From admin to admin, you for two years longer than me) I don't really care in the end, but if you've made up your mind then take it all the way, remove all the "Republic of Ireland" categories and leave only those with "iIreland" and I'll follow that standard, I have no motivation to choose one or the other, it just bothers me that in Commons for a year now there's still no position and the anarchy of who brings their own POV each time wins. It takes someone to espouse the be bold way, I've tried but it seems I'm more interested in defending a POV than solving a problem, like it or not. At the end do what you think is best, do what you think is best but do it, then those who do the dirty work do not know how to behave, I hope I have made myself clear.--Threecharlie (talk) 18:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

I cannot tell whether you are deliberately ignoring the point or simply do not understand it, so let me spell it out for you as plainly as I can:

1. If Category A redirects to Category B, and at the same time Category B redirects to Category A, that is a problem.
2. It is a problem regardless of whether A or B would ideally be the best name for the category. You keep arguing with me about what the correct name should be, but that is not the issue at all.
3. If Category A redirects to Category B, but you think Category B should redirect to Category A instead, the solution is not to edit B to redirect to A, but to ask an admin to move Category A to the title B. I am not an admin here on Commons, so I cannot do this.

Just to emphasize, all of the above has nothing to do with what the titles in question are. It doesn't matter whether they relate to Ireland, or Georgia, or South Succotash, or Jupiter. I haven't expressed any opinion whatsoever about whether photographs should be categorized by political jurisdiction or by some other geographic criteria. If you continue to argue with me about that issue, I will not respond further. --R'n'B (talk) 13:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

CR notice removal

At [2], the {{CR cooldown}} is still there after three months.

This happened as there was only 1 subcategory to move and this was done shortly after the notice was added [3].

As it's the only one in 3 months, it seems to be fairly rare and could be fixed manually (I added a query to the template description). I thought I'd let you know before doing that, in case you wanted to test some changes. Enhancing999 (talk) 11:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• I think it's just the odd corner case of a category that legitimately has only one member; normally, that indicates that it is a redirect target that is waiting to be populated. --R'n'B (talk) 12:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)