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Damn!   Would I have to be the one to renominate (since I nominated it originally) or would someone else do it?

I might also want to hold off until I've looked at it to see if I could make some improvements. I have gotten better at processing images since then ... Daniel Case (talk) 00:36, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Daniel, no one is going to do a wholesale re-nom of these demoted images, so it's up to you if you want to do it. You can do it now or wait a while. You are of course welcome to make some improvements on the photo before you nominate it. It will take a while until we put this whole ugly mess behind us. --Cart (talk) 05:30, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
OK. And I would just like to say tack så mycket to you for doing some of the hard work here. There have been occasions on enwiki when I've been the vigilant one, but over here one likes to think things are different and somehow these things don't happen in a more boring place like Commons. But of course they do regardless of what you think.

I am even thinking of going back to the original raw file and seeing if I can process it any better based on what I've learned since then (If I do that, I will upload a separate file and not renominate the original one). Daniel Case (talk) 21:47, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

No problem.   I pitch in where I can. Yann has taken up the task of re-nominating some of the fallen FPs. I have notified them about your desire to fix up the photo before re-nom.

I have just uploaded some of my latest catch at the Lysekil harbor. However, I think my plans to nominate the salmon just got trashed by a hammerhead. "My" fish looks puny in comparison. Rats! --Cart (talk) 21:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Coaching...Edit

I´ll take some coaching on categorization... --Tomascastelazo (talk) 23:07, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Ok Tomas, this is going to take some time but you are smart, so once you start with it, I think you will understand how it works.
A category is where all photos of some kind is stored. Now if all photos of 'Landscapes' were all just tossed into that category, it would be a hell of a lot of photos and no one would be able to find a thing! So each category is divided into levels of smaller categories. You need to find the smallest most correct category for what is in your photo.
Think of it as if someone at one of your building sites took all pipes, bolts, screws, wire, planks, fastenings, plugs, etc. and tossed it all into one big container and put the sign 'Building material' on it. You wouldn't find anything. So we will go through the three categories you have placed on your photo: Landscapes, Cloud, and Guanajuato.
Landscapes
  • If you click on Landscapes at the bottom of your photo's page, you will see the first layer of smaller categories. Pick an easy one like Landscapes by country and click on it.
  • Now you are at the second layer of categories and I think Landscapes of Mexico sounds good. Click on it.
  • There you will find Countryside in Mexico and that is as far as you get. You have found one of your categories.
Cloud
  • When you click on Cloud, you will find that that category doesn't really exist. It is called Clouds. Click on that.
  • We can start by choosing Clouds by country. Click on it.
  • So we get to Clouds in Mexico and that is your end-category here since none of the smaller categories in this layer fits your photo.
  • But it would be good to explain what kind of cloud it is too, so go back to Clouds and look. Cloud types is a good choice. Click on it.
  • Your cloud is a cumulus cloud so clicking on Cumulus clouds is the next step.
  • Here is where it gets tricky, I usually have to go to the Wikipedia articles to find out what the special kinds of clouds are called. In this case it is Cumulus congestus clouds. When you see the rest of the photos in that category, you can see that you have found another end-category.
Guanajuato
  • Finally there is the place category Guanajuato. Click on it.
  • Looking trough this layer of smaller categories, I think Nature of Guanajuato is the best to select. I think you can stop there and take that as your end-category.
So finally we have four good categories for your photo:
You can remove the categories you had first and add these instead. Try a similar way with your other photo and see what you come up with. I'll check on it later and see if there is something to fix or add. End of first lesson.
The more precise and good categories a photo is in, the bigger is the chance it will be picked and used in an article somewhere. Just beware that like everything else here, the categories are created by users so there will always be screw-ups and categories missing or in the wrong place. There are many of us who would rather use the 'tagging' system, but we will have to work with what we've got. End of first lesson. --Cart (talk) 00:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Talking about itEdit

Thanks!!!

I will start on it, makes a lot of sense... I really appreciate your generous help. Please look me up in Facebook under Tomas Castelazo.

--Tomascastelazo (talk) 02:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation Tomas, but I don't use Facebook. As soon as you have fixed these photos, I will get back to you with a couple of more tips on how to do categorization. I see now that Christian Ferrer has started to fix the categories on one of the photos and thereby spoiling the lesson this was supposed to be, but nevermind, it can still be improved and he found some more categories and you still have the other photo to practice on. I'll also 'ping' Daniel Case (who is one of our best categorizers): Daniel, I know that you usually fix up the categories on the FPCs, but could you please skip these two files so that Tomas can learn to do this. Cheers to all of you, --Cart (talk) 08:16, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • oups sorry, I didn't saw this discussion when I categorized the image. Christian Ferrer (talk) 09:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Cart I got caught up in work and have not been able to change them, but I will start doing it. Christian Ferrer Thanks for your work, please do not undo!!!! The best thing to do will be to see the logic and start doing it from the beginning. I really, really appreciate all of your help! --Tomascastelazo (talk) 16:26, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Question... How do I edit the categories on an already uploaded image? --Tomascastelazo (talk) 16:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Tomascastelazo, since you are still learning and probably don't have any special programs enabled or installed, the best way is to open the page in edit mode. You click on the "Edit" tab at the very top of the page. It is right between "View" and "History". When you have the editing window open, you scroll down to the bottom and you can see the categories. Just change the name of the category within the [[]] brackets. That way you can for example change [[Category:Landscapes of Mexico]] to [[Category:Countryside in Mexico]] and save the edit. When you look at the page again, it should have the right category at the bottom. Be sure you spell the category correctly or the text will end up red(=wrong) at the bottom of the page. --Cart (talk) 18:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Lesson 2Edit

 
Shoes in a spanish shoe store

Hello again Tomascastelazo, I'm very glad to see that you added better categories to your shoe photo. Well done, you went as far as you knew how to do. This was a tricky subject. I have fixed the categories a bit more like this:

Shoes
  • Since you have the photo in smaller categories, this one is redundant. It is called "over-categorization". I have removed it.
Shoes by country
Shoes by color
Shoes by material
  • You took it as far as you could since you had several materials here. Since there are a lot of shoes with mixed material these days, I created the category for them and your photo, Category:Mixed materials shoes.

Once you have the main subject categorized, you need to look at the photo again since it shows more things than just shoes. If act it shows "shoes stacked on shelves in a store". This is where you use your imagination and guess categories. Write the category you guess in the "Search Wikipedia Commons" box in the top left corner. I made a search for 'Category:Stacks' and 'Category:Shelves'. And I found Category:Stacks which I added to the photo. I also found Category:Shelves and it had a smaller category called Category:Shop shelves so I added that to the photo. Looking around a bit more, I also found Category:Shoe displays and added that.

While I was looking in the 'Category:Shoe displays', I found a photo that looked very much like yours: File:Many shoes, Ramblas, Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain (17309418924).jpg. Is it the same store? If it is, we can use the information in that photo and add to yours. --Cart (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Cart Many thanks! I´ve been pretty busy and have not yet put into use what you´ve taught me, but I am catching on! With regard to your comment, it looks like the same store! It was in Barcelona, in Las Ramblas! --Tomascastelazo (talk) 14:03, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • No problem Tomas. :-) It will trickle into your mind slowly but surely. Thanks for the info about the location of the store. It is always very good to have the location of what is photographed. It's a great photo, I'm just taking a bit of time-out from voting since I too have much to do. We'll take it slow. --Cart (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

FP PromotionEdit

This image has been promoted to Featured picture!

The image File:The river of Borgvik.jpg, that you nominated on Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:The river of Borgvik.jpg has been promoted. Thank you for your contribution. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so.

 

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