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File:Pattipola railway station 2017.jpg

Hi, I think this should not be FPXed. I don't know if the quality is good enough for FP, but at least the light and the composition are good. Regards, Yann (talk) 17:08, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Yann! I have no problem with it if you want to contest the FPX, you are perfectly entitled to do so if you want to support it. You don't need to ask me about that. :) As it says on the template: "Anyone other than the nominator who disagrees may override this template by changing {{FPX}} to {{FPX contested}} and adding a vote in support. Voting will then continue in the usual way. If not contested within 24 hours, this nomination may be closed." It's been a bit more than 24 hours since I added it, but I don't think anyone will mind. Best of luck with the nom! --Cart (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Well, I don't want to support it, that's my point. I have looked at it into more details, and indeed, the quality is insufficient for FP. Regards, Yann (talk) 17:21, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
@Yann: Ah, I see your problem. In that case, if you still want to give it a chance, I can revert my FPX, write a note about it and we'll get on with the voting in a normal way. Just give me the word. --Cart (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. At least the picture is quite pleasant to look at. There is no change that it gets promoted, but... Yann (talk) 17:30, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
@Yann: I agree that the photo is very nice, that's why I tried to be as nice and factual as I could in the FPX. I will fix this as agreed above, but could you just give me a moment. I got an idea! I'll see if I can do something about fixing up the photo and perhaps offer it as and alt, work a little Cart magic on it. ;) --Cart (talk) 17:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
  Done --Cart (talk) 18:40, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

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Commons:Featured_picture_candidates/File:700 years Old Baltit Fort.jpg

Hi, I reverted this nomination, as I expected it to be FPXed. I see no point in helping someone adding an incomplete nomination, just to be removed one day later. Regards, Yann (talk) 05:51, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi Yann, to revert noms instead of FPX them would be a policy change and as such not a matter for just me but for the community. As such it should be discussed on the FPC talk page and not here. I'll copy the entry to that page and answer there. --Cart (talk) 08:38, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't think it is a policy change. I have helped many times newbies nominating a file for FP. But if the picture is nominated just to be removed the next day, I don't see the point, especially here, as the nomination is incomplete, and the nominator was told to read and follow the guidelines. I also added a word myself. Ultimately, it is not that important, but I think my way helps the inexperienced nominator better, and it avoids cluttering the FPC page. Regards, Yann (talk) 08:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Cart. I'm guessing you live near Stockholm having read your comments on moose. We're coming to Stockholm at the beginning of July and wonder if you know any great moose-spotting places? We will have a car. You can mail me if you want. Best wishes, Charles Charles (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Charles, I grew up in Stockholm but I have since moved around a bit and I now live on the other side of Sweden in Lysekil Municipality. I thought that was evident from the location of my photos. :) Anyway, to get to the best moose places you need to go inland a bit from Stockholm. I would recommend the area of Bergslagen somewhere around Skinnskatteberg or other forested parts around the west and north parts of lake Mälaren. You can do daytrips to that region from Stockholm. If you go a bit further, about to Härjedalen, you also have a chance to see bears and lynx. There are a lot of companies offering "moose/elk safaris" in Sweden. If you Google it, use the Swedish word for it "älgsafari", their websites may be in Swedish but they all speak English so no problem for you. I found some for you here: [1]] [2] [3] [4]. I actually saw one today on my way home from work. The farmers are harvesting silage now and the fields smell like newly mowed lawns. Very nice so I took the long scenic route home. The grazers are also drawn to this smell as the evening gets cooler, and I had no less than four wildlife encounters: one moose and three roe deer. The moose was in a field about 100 meters or so from the road, but there was a bit of traffic so I couldn't just stop. Hope you have a nice trip with plenty of good animal photos. --Cart (talk) 16:26, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks very much. We're actually spending four days with friends in Bovallstrand so will be seeing your side of the country too. Best wishes, Charles. Charles (talk) 20:45, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Charles, drive carefully at dawn and dusk, that's when the critters are active and on the move. --Cart (talk) 20:53, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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To set things right regarding some faulty assumptions that has been made about me, here is the correct info.

  • I'm a woman and I'm 60 years old. I bought my first camera in 1965 when I could only get hold of black and white film for it. My father subscribed to LIFE magazine and I grew up with those photos. I traded up my cameras and did most of my photography during the 90s. I mostly used Pentax system cameras (for film). In the 60s, I used a computer for the first time, with punch cards. By the 70s, I was writing programs in Algol and Basic. When new exiting computers came around 2000, I was more interested in them and put my cameras away for a decade or so. When I resumed taking photos, the world had moved into digital photography and I had to start all over again, a bit of a learning curve. That is why it is so nice to have Commons to get into the game again. Unfortunately, now I don't have the economy to buy cameras equal to the ones I used to have. I do experimental and artistic photos simply because I've already done all the rest! I have tons of negatives to prove it. Digital cameras provide me with new options that I never had on the film cameras.

There you have it. Any questions can be posted here. --Cart (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2018 (UTC)


Just FYI Commons:File naming got stuck at proposal stage many years ago. Seems it is pretty hard to come up with text everyone is happy with. Some want more, some less and some no rules at all. There are users here who think filenames with no spaces are preferable, or who just think a code is fine and to rely on descriptions and categories, or even to use invented languages. I see "I think its gonna rain today" got renamed to "Tiengemeten - Zuid-Holland - the Netherlands" and now no longer mentions rain anywhere on the page other than in the source URL. So now it is impossible to find this if searching for "rain". So I look at Category:Rain and remember why I hate our category system. -- Colin (talk) 19:14, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Colin, it is of course impossible to predict how someone is going to name or re-name a file. We all see different things in a photo. I thought it was going to be renamed into something like "Rain coming in over trees in XXX", but there you go, best intentions gone awry. Agree that it will be a good day when someone finally comes up with a category system that's suitable for everyone. I honestly can't see why we can't use the same "tag" system that has gone viral and most of the world seems happy with. We could also need a major cleanup of all old bad dead-end pages with info that is no longer relevant. IMO, it is better to have no page on a subject than an old misleading one. --Cart (talk) 19:30, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Btw, I've fixed up the page. We have to make it work as best we can for now. --Cart (talk) 19:37, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


Hi Cart,

How are you? Hope you're going well. A lot of changes happened in my life after the loss of Rani. I settled down back to Kadavoor, my home village. I was using my friends computer in a mutually benefiting arrangement. So I returned it when it is over. My old laptop is still working; but limited use with Windows XP. That computer is enough for that purpose. I was in Wikipedia editing for the last one year without any photography. Slowly coming back; going out, fighting hard with the depression and mood swings. Cheers, :) Jee 14:36, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jee, I'm just so glad to have you and your beautiful butterflies back here. You have been missed. I can understand some of what you are going through since my best friend lost her husband this winter, also resulting in mood swings and dark thoughts. It's not easy. Myself, I'm rather good now. Still no "real" camera, but I make it work anyway. I'm not helping so many newbies now since I got severely burned earlier this year. I have found a new passion in documenting the nature reserves around where I live and taking photos for articles about places I can get to that have no photos. I find that kind of documentation relaxing since no one complains about some minor technical problems or expects an FP from it. Be well and see you around!   --Cart (talk) 15:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

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Alternate nom

Presenting this in TIF might not be such a good idea since it limits the file's usability. It would be better to go with the jpeg version and link the TIF as an "other versions=" on the file page for those who like to work with such big files. You could make a jpeg version of it and nominate it as an "Alternative" here in this nomination.

How do you nominate it as an alternative? Is there a COM article I can read up? Sorry for the inconvenience. GerifalteDelSabana (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

GerifalteDelSabana: No mystery about it, it's pretty straight forward. You fix the file and add it as a new section to the nomination. You can look at how I made it in this nom : Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Common cottongrass in a cliff crevice.jpg. Only for the format of your photo, you use 600x300px as size. --Cart (talk) 13:54, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
Hey Carter, I uploaded the JPEG version, however, there is extremely noticeable JPEG artifacts... Would using this version still be better than presenting the original .TIFF? GerifalteDelSabana (talk) 14:06, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
GerifalteDelSabana: You could do some work and noice reduction on the jpeg if you like, otherwise just leave it like it is now. At least you show that there are two versions and folks will ignore the jpeg if they think it's redundant. You might get further/different advice from other users. --Cart (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar of kindness for you!

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Thanks for assisting me a lot and being quite friendly! GerifalteDelSabana (talk) 14:27, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you GerifalteDelSabana, that's kind of you. I am the sometimes kindergarten teacher for FPC newbies around here.   --Cart (talk) 14:33, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


    --Cart (talk) 16:03, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

FP closing

Hey Carter, how do I speedily decline/close my own FP nom that I withdrew? Does that go against any rule? GerifalteDelSabana (talk) 01:26, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

GerifalteDelSabana, looks to me like you managed to close it and archived it to log the right way. Otherwise it's fine if you just put the "withdraw" on the nom until you are more used to the routines on this site. I would also suggest that you start by nominating your photos for Quality Image before you take them to FPC. That way you will become accustomed to what is expected of a photo here and get some tips on how to improve things. FPC is not really for fixing up photos, they should be all finished and done when presented there, but we are more tolerant towards newbie-noms especially since they might not know about QI. --Cart (talk) 05:35, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Sure thing Carter, thank you so much! GerifalteDelSabana (talk) 05:38, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

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File:Gray granite rocks in front of red granite cliff in Rixö.jpg

Hi Cart, can I ask you how you actually did this picture? Did you take 13 photos first with focus on the foreground, and then you took 13 photos with background focus? If so, how did you manage to move your camera the same way so you'd end up with 13 + 13 photos with same pictures so you could focus stack them? Or, did you just change the focus 13 times? If so, how did you manage to set the focus the same way as the previous picture? Did you use a focus lock or something? And, I guess you had a tripod, right? So many questions aye? I've been thinking about it and I'm really interested how you did it. That'd be great if you could share some of the knowledge. Regards, --Podzemnik (talk) 01:18, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, Podzemnik. Please keep in mind that I don't have any fancy equipment and that such a panorama can probably be made in a better way with some DSLR, fancy lenses, Nodal ninja gadget and a pro tripod with water level... ;) This is the way I did it: Tripod, yes. Camera in upright position. That was probably overkill, but with my small-sensor camera, I have to compensate. Since the stones at the bottom were so much closer than the cliff behind them, I realized I had to do some focus stacking to get them both sharp. Moving backwards for larger DoF was not an option since I was on a quay. :) I used the pinpoint focus (that was good enough for this) and selected a point in the upper half of the viewer that would cover the cliff as I turned the camera, and a similar point in the lower half of the viewer to go with the stones. The points were aligned vertically and I counted the number of 'steps' between them. I started on the left side (There were some kids playing with bikes on the right side and I hoped they would be done by the time I got there. They were.). Lock camera, select lower focus point and click, move focus (count steps) to upper point and click. Turn camera to new section with a good overlap, lock camera and click, move focus point to the low position and click. Move camera to new position, etc. With this down, up, turn, up, down, turn, down, up, turn... I got a good steady series of photos to work with.
In Lightroom I first used the "match exposure" function and then added the rest of the settings. I moved to Photoshop and merged each pair into stacked images. Unfortunately my computer wasn't strong enough to merge 13 such detailed photos into a panorama, so I had to downsize the 13 photos to 80%. It still took it about 35 minutes to do the merging. The resulting panorama was a bit tilted since the camera wasn't perfectly level so more cropping had to be done. Next time, I'll probably do this with the camera in normal landscape position and instead make it extra sharp by using 2-3 exposures and this technique. With your better cameras (and perhaps better computer), I don't think you have the same problems. ;) Btw, did you find the bird in the photo? :-D --Cart (talk) 11:12, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Oh yes, as a final step, I added (layered) the whole panorama onto the first photo (area extended) in Photoshop to get the Exif data for the photo. Of course, the exposure time varied a bit with the shots, but sometimes the panorama function leaves you without an Exif and I figured that one of the photos would give a good approximation of the whole thing since all the settings on the camera were the same. --Cart (talk) 11:23, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Man, so good. Thank you so much for your explanation. Keep doing what you're doing, your work is very inspiring! --Podzemnik (talk) 13:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks!   --Cart (talk) 13:52, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

What do you think...

Hello Cart, could you give your valued opinion on these four images? Your help is greatly appreciated!

Gerifalte Del Sabana 03:18, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok GerifalteDelSabana, but this has to be the last time in a long while. Commons:Photography critiques is the place where people are happy to review your photos. Too much of "look at this photo" can make me cranky. Also, please remember that what I write here only reflects on how photos are viewed for FPC here on Commons. Commons has its own criteria and esthetics, not always shared by the rest of the photography/art/gallery world. FPC is a forum that sneers at Annie Leibovitz and dissects/pick on a photo with over 41,000 views and 776 faves on Flickr...
The light in the three first is dull and in the last one glary. In all but the second, the background is about the same color as the bird and that makes them not stand out enough. In the first the truncated beak looks just odd. Same color and face forward can work sometimes (that photo has good compo but the quality is not good enough). In all photos the birds are too dark and shadowy, especially the second, that one also have glary blown blobs in the background. More light brings better contrast and detail. In 3 and 4 the rocks make for a distracting background, shorter Dof might have worked here. The cut tails on the birds in no 4 is a no-no on FPC, the cut reflections of the birds don't help. The third one is the most interesting and might be saved by some good creative post-processing, but I'm not sure. --Cart (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Hmm, I agree. And yes, ever since joining commons I've been dissecting all pictures I see and I feel like some sort of AI now, lol. I agree with you about the DoF thing too, which sadly was at the lowest I could go to with my 70-300. ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 13:02, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
@GerifalteDelSabana: Yes, after a while you get the "I Robot" feeling when reviewing too many photos. I also work with editing, hence the crankiness with photo overload. Some last advice on this. A photo that tells a story is always better than a "vanilla" photo. Don't' be afraid to put a bit of bite in your photos, it can help. For the third photo you got a "birdie picking and feeding on its little fish". If you make it "a steely predatory winged menace, gorging and slobbering over its poor massacred prey", you will probably get people's attention. :) I made you one, yours if you want it. It also works well in enhanced black and white. --Cart (talk) 13:41, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
The B&W one is really interesting.. Hmm... Last question ― sorry for being such a pesky bugger ― I've made another two versions, and I feel like nominating the colored one as an alternative to my current nom on FPC... What do you think? ― Gerifalte Del Sabana 14:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
@GerifalteDelSabana: It's definitely more interesting than the present one. What have you got to lose? :) You could lift the line of dark shadows (just above the bird) a bit since they are rather dominating and perhaps add a bit more black on the bird (gently, gently). It looks a bit like a statue right now and crows are black. --Cart (talk) 14:08, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Misidentified Apiaceae images

Hi W.carter/Archive 13,
Your beautiful photographs (#1, #2, #3 in the gallery) were identified as Heracleum sphondylium, which is wrong, however, because all of them show Angelica sylvestris. Heracleum sphondylium has got (at least in most cases) a quite different leaf form, more strongly grooved stems, larger flowers, some of which are quite asymmetric (near the edges) and the plant is essentially everywhere full of rather long, spreading hairs. Angelica sylvestris has got mostly symmetric, tiny flowers and only some short hairs near the top of the plant.
With best regards,
--Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello Robert Flogaus-Faust, my area of expertise is not biology and I only know the common name they have here in Sweden. A common name can cover several different species so I am only grateful if you, or someone who knows this subject better than me can correct the latin name and put them in the right categories. Thanks! --Cart (talk) 19:46, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Btw, I can do the actual page move after the description and categories have been corrected. :) --Cart (talk) 19:51, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
O.k., I did that. In addition to renaming the files, please also take care of their use on the Swedish Wikipedia page for Heracleum sphondylium, [5], which is wrong. You might move them to [6]. I could only add a gallery without the Swedish text, because I do not speak any Swedish. Best regards --Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 20:27, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
Robert Flogaus-Faust, already taken care of. I did that as soon as I had moved the files to the right name. Also corrected the names in the FP gallery. I think that beween us, we have fixed it all. Thank you so much for your kind help! Much appreciated. If I happen to miss-label any other plants, do not hesitate to tell me. :) --Cart (talk) 20:34, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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Good evening W.carter,

Thank you for your comments on my photo File: Walk on the Hulshorsterzand 020.jpg. There I can do my advantage.

With kind regards, Agnes.--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

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Speedy promotion

Hi Cart, thanks for this edit. I understand this is to let the picture make its way with no delay, even if you don't share the consensus. But no worry about this exception, feel free to oppose any time you disagree, we're not in a competition and it's important in my opinion to show we're all individuals thinking and feeling differently. Sometimes it happens to me also, and I let the nominator managing its nomination with this embarrassment, for which I'm not responsible. However I agree these particular situations are unsatisfactory, for both the nominator and the voter, and perhaps the bot should be prepared to such configurations, for example by promoting immediately 15 supports + 1 oppose (like 10 & 0), and 20 supports + 2 opposes, and 25 + 3 opposes, etc. Just to be in line with the final results where the controversies are weak. I remember Ikan took a similar decision recently when abstaining to oppose a successful one. However, for the good health of the procedure, including the respect of the diversity, I think it's important that everyone vote with the heart. And I wish this freedom will be favored in the future in relation with the technical matters -- Basile Morin (talk) 03:26, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the lecture. I was in a good mood and feeling mellow, but as they say: "No good deed goes unpunished". Don't worry, I won't do it again, the good mood is gone now. --Cart (talk) 07:42, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

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Very nice of you to offer such a good explanation. :) -Peulle (talk) 10:07, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks Peulle, that was unexpected! :) I'm just a Wiki-translator doing my job when I can. --Cart (talk) 10:14, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

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Your grapes picture

Since I had mentioned the Swedish WP article on the grapes in my response to your response at FPC, I thought it was a good idea to put your picture in it since it was better than the one there, which just showed leaves. If the Google Translate version of the cutline ("Solaris grapes harvested outside Lysekil") leaves something to be desired, by all means add that something  .

I think that actual counts as my first real edit to the Swedish Wikipedia. Daniel Case (talk) 02:38, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I am always impressed by how proficient you are with translation tools and gadgets. :) Congrats on your first sv-edit! The edit summary was flawless and the caption only needed some small tweaking. Swedish tense is a match for any auto-translation, as is our penchant for combining words into new longer words. I also fixed the location in both articles. This very small vineyard is in fact within the town limits, even if the amount of trees you see on Google street view can make you think otherwise. That's just how small towns look here. The vineyard is by the "lighthouse roundabout", right opposite our biggest grocery store (COOP) and post office. The vineyard wasn't around when Google took their photos, so it doesn't show up there. In this article in the local news paper, you can see Javier getting ready to plant the grapes. --Cart (talk) 09:23, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
OK, that makes sense for it to be in town by virtue of being within municipal limits ... there are working farms all around the village I live in, but they're not within the village limits even though they use it as a mailing address, and even though they're still inside the town limits (click here if you want to figure this out) they would not use that as an identifier.

I have found Swedish easy to get around due to a) already being a native speaker of a Germanic language, b) understanding German and its similar tendency for creating words from large compounds (in English, goods are shipped on trucks or lorries, depending on where you live, but in German they come on "loaded powered wagons" (at least in Swedish, that becomes "loaded cars") and c) having studied (not well, but studied) Old English.

One thing that I find interesting is that in Swedish "in" in (ahem) almost all the other Germanic languages loses the consonant so it's just "i". How does that work when it's both preceded and followed by vowels? It seems like it could sound awkward ... is it sort of elided in that situation? Daniel Case (talk) 06:33, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Daniel: Well, it's a bit more than being in within the municipality limits. Lysekil Municipality is way bigger than that. The locals here refer to the vineyard as being located in the proper town since the sprawl of apartment buildings, villas, shops, services and centers goes on for about 500 m further north, west and east of the vineyard. That's where they say the town "ends", as does the postal code. This is more like the vineyard on the slopes up to Sacre Coeur in Paris.
From what I can recall, your "thanks" for my edit on sv-wiki was the first from that wiki, which puts an odd twist to the whole thing. :}
Even if our 'sing-song' language handles strings of vowels rather well, there is actually a small adjustment made when you speak fast and get the "i" between two vowels. A small sounding "j" pops up (spoken, not written), linking it to the next word. If I say "arbeta i Umeå" (work in Umeå) it becomes "arbeta ij͜ Umeå". Or you can pronounce every part of it correctly and sound like an old fart. ;) --Cart (talk) 10:24, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
I went and looked at the area on Street View as you sort of suggested ... yes, I can see how you'd consider that "in town" (I would), as I have lived in places with similarly located supermarkets; since almost everyone goes there to shop, it's "in town" even if the area around it would not have been considered "in town" until it was built (And having the post office there probably doesn't hurt either ... even when post offices have to get expanded and moved over here, they rarely move them any farther than the outskirts of town, so the post office is always "in town" in some way).
I actually "tack"ed   you once before.
Yes, that "j" sound is similar to what Russian does with some of its single-letter prepositions in the same situation. "О" is "about" (and some other meanings); when it comes before another vowel it becomes "об" (ob) and in one case, when it precedes "все" (vsye) it adds another "о" (so МЫ говорили обо всём: we talked about everything (a very Russian-sounding sentence) Daniel Case (talk) 17:56, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

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I´ll take some coaching on categorization... --Tomascastelazo (talk) 23:07, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Ok Tomas, this is going to take some time but you are smart, so once you start with it, I think you will understand how it works.
A category is where all photos of some kind is stored. Now if all photos of 'Landscapes' were all just tossed into that category, it would be a hell of a lot of photos and no one would be able to find a thing! So each category is divided into levels of smaller categories. You need to find the smallest most correct category for what is in your photo.
Think of it as if someone at one of your building sites took all pipes, bolts, screws, wire, planks, fastenings, plugs, etc. and tossed it all into one big container and put the sign 'Building material' on it. You wouldn't find anything. So we will go through the three categories you have placed on your photo: Landscapes, Cloud, and Guanajuato.
  • If you click on Landscapes at the bottom of your photo's page, you will see the first layer of smaller categories. Pick an easy one like Landscapes by country and click on it.
  • Now you are at the second layer of categories and I think Landscapes of Mexico sounds good. Click on it.
  • There you will find Countryside in Mexico and that is as far as you get. You have found one of your categories.
  • When you click on Cloud, you will find that that category doesn't really exist. It is called Clouds. Click on that.
  • We can start by choosing Clouds by country. Click on it.
  • So we get to Clouds in Mexico and that is your end-category here since none of the smaller categories in this layer fits your photo.
  • But it would be good to explain what kind of cloud it is too, so go back to Clouds and look. Cloud types is a good choice. Click on it.
  • Your cloud is a cumulus cloud so clicking on Cumulus clouds is the next step.
  • Here is where it gets tricky, I usually have to go to the Wikipedia articles to find out what the special kinds of clouds are called. In this case it is Cumulus congestus clouds. When you see the rest of the photos in that category, you can see that you have found another end-category.
  • Finally there is the place category Guanajuato. Click on it.
  • Looking trough this layer of smaller categories, I think Nature of Guanajuato is the best to select. I think you can stop there and take that as your end-category.
So finally we have four good categories for your photo:
You can remove the categories you had first and add these instead. Try a similar way with your other photo and see what you come up with. I'll check on it later and see if there is something to fix or add. End of first lesson.
The more precise and good categories a photo is in, the bigger is the chance it will be picked and used in an article somewhere. Just beware that like everything else here, the categories are created by users so there will always be screw-ups and categories missing or in the wrong place. There are many of us who would rather use the 'tagging' system, but we will have to work with what we've got. End of first lesson. --Cart (talk) 00:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Talking about it


I will start on it, makes a lot of sense... I really appreciate your generous help. Please look me up in Facebook under Tomas Castelazo.

--Tomascastelazo (talk) 02:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation Tomas, but I don't use Facebook. As soon as you have fixed these photos, I will get back to you with a couple of more tips on how to do categorization. I see now that Christian Ferrer has started to fix the categories on one of the photos and thereby spoiling the lesson this was supposed to be, but nevermind, it can still be improved and he found some more categories and you still have the other photo to practice on. I'll also 'ping' Daniel Case (who is one of our best categorizers): Daniel, I know that you usually fix up the categories on the FPCs, but could you please skip these two files so that Tomas can learn to do this. Cheers to all of you, --Cart (talk) 08:16, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • oups sorry, I didn't saw this discussion when I categorized the image. Christian Ferrer (talk) 09:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Cart I got caught up in work and have not been able to change them, but I will start doing it. Christian Ferrer Thanks for your work, please do not undo!!!! The best thing to do will be to see the logic and start doing it from the beginning. I really, really appreciate all of your help! --Tomascastelazo (talk) 16:26, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Question... How do I edit the categories on an already uploaded image? --Tomascastelazo (talk) 16:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Tomascastelazo, since you are still learning and probably don't have any special programs enabled or installed, the best way is to open the page in edit mode. You click on the "Edit" tab at the very top of the page. It is right between "View" and "History". When you have the editing window open, you scroll down to the bottom and you can see the categories. Just change the name of the category within the [[]] brackets. That way you can for example change [[Category:Landscapes of Mexico]] to [[Category:Countryside in Mexico]] and save the edit. When you look at the page again, it should have the right category at the bottom. Be sure you spell the category correctly or the text will end up red(=wrong) at the bottom of the page. --Cart (talk) 18:08, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Lesson 2

Shoes in a spanish shoe store

Hello again Tomascastelazo, I'm very glad to see that you added better categories to your shoe photo. Well done, you went as far as you knew how to do. This was a tricky subject. I have fixed the categories a bit more like this:

  • Since you have the photo in smaller categories, this one is redundant. It is called "over-categorization". I have removed it.
Shoes by country
Shoes by color
Shoes by material
  • You took it as far as you could since you had several materials here. Since there are a lot of shoes with mixed material these days, I created the category for them and your photo, Category:Mixed materials shoes.

Once you have the main subject categorized, you need to look at the photo again since it shows more things than just shoes. If act it shows "shoes stacked on shelves in a store". This is where you use your imagination and guess categories. Write the category you guess in the "Search Wikipedia Commons" box in the top left corner. I made a search for 'Category:Stacks' and 'Category:Shelves'. And I found Category:Stacks which I added to the photo. I also found Category:Shelves and it had a smaller category called Category:Shop shelves so I added that to the photo. Looking around a bit more, I also found Category:Shoe displays and added that.

While I was looking in the 'Category:Shoe displays', I found a photo that looked very much like yours: File:Many shoes, Ramblas, Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain (17309418924).jpg. Is it the same store? If it is, we can use the information in that photo and add to yours. --Cart (talk) 08:38, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Cart Many thanks! I´ve been pretty busy and have not yet put into use what you´ve taught me, but I am catching on! With regard to your comment, it looks like the same store! It was in Barcelona, in Las Ramblas! --Tomascastelazo (talk) 14:03, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • No problem Tomas. :-) It will trickle into your mind slowly but surely. Thanks for the info about the location of the store. It is always very good to have the location of what is photographed. It's a great photo, I'm just taking a bit of time-out from voting since I too have much to do. We'll take it slow. --Cart (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Alpine House FP

Damn!   Would I have to be the one to renominate (since I nominated it originally) or would someone else do it?

I might also want to hold off until I've looked at it to see if I could make some improvements. I have gotten better at processing images since then ... Daniel Case (talk) 00:36, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Daniel, no one is going to do a wholesale re-nom of these demoted images, so it's up to you if you want to do it. You can do it now or wait a while. You are of course welcome to make some improvements on the photo before you nominate it. It will take a while until we put this whole ugly mess behind us. --Cart (talk) 05:30, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
OK. And I would just like to say tack så mycket to you for doing some of the hard work here. There have been occasions on enwiki when I've been the vigilant one, but over here one likes to think things are different and somehow these things don't happen in a more boring place like Commons. But of course they do regardless of what you think.

I am even thinking of going back to the original raw file and seeing if I can process it any better based on what I've learned since then (If I do that, I will upload a separate file and not renominate the original one). Daniel Case (talk) 21:47, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

No problem.   I pitch in where I can. Yann has taken up the task of re-nominating some of the fallen FPs. I have notified them about your desire to fix up the photo before re-nom.

I have just uploaded some of my latest catch at the Lysekil harbor. However, I think my plans to nominate the salmon just got trashed by a hammerhead. "My" fish looks puny in comparison. Rats! --Cart (talk) 21:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

I think it looks better


I finally actually got around to starting from scratch (well, raw, really ) with that picture (since I had looked at it and said to myself, if this were nominated for FP, by someone else, would you !vote for it?) And I like the result more ... it's less likely to make you squint, for one thing. Do you agree? Think a renom would go well?

I also addressed some of the issues opposers raised at the original FPC and made a slight perspective correction (as if you could tell, but apparently some people think they could) plus cropping less out. Daniel Case (talk) 18:59, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

You're right, it does look better. The extra land around it gives a better balance. You might want to ease up on the "blackness" (not shadows mind you!) just a little bit. It looks a bit on the heavy side right now. With such glass construct, you want to think 'air' not 'railway bridge'. In this screen shot, as you can see, I have toggled (Ctrl+L in Photoshop) the mid-level tones from 1.0 to 1.11. I think it looks really cool. Like some some Star Trek structure in a planet. You know the sort that always seems to have the cloaking device fail so that the indigenous people can see their OP center and the Prime Directive goes to s**t. :) --Cart (talk) 19:21, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
I made exactly the change in Levels (the wonderful thing about Photoshop, of course, is that you can work in the .psd format and create adjustment layers to see how different changes would look. I had Levels square off against a similar tweak to Curves; the results were similar but I decided on Levels because that could be quantified as you had and thus replicated exactly)
That futuristic quality is, of course, exactly what attracted me to it. It's one of those things that make you feel like, yes, you are actually living in the 21st century and at least some of it will look like those movies from the '70s, at least the ones that weren't set in dystopias where you can't live past 30, told you it would. Along with this building at Kew Gardens, I get the same crystal-spires-and-togas vibe from the Shanghai skyline, the London skylines (I've always thought the women sitting in the lower left make this look like an old paperback sci-fi novel cover), the Dallas skyline, the way the New York skyline is evolving post-9/11, and Dubai, at least in this slow-film video, with cool ambient music, of a ride on one of its new driverless metro lines that I think I may have commended to your attention before (best section: the 24th minute as the train climbs over one of the canal bridges and, as it does, the Burj and surrounding buildings come into unobstructed view in the distance, gleaming golden with reflected sun). I did not get to experience this first hand when I passed through Dubai on the way to and from Cape Town last summer, since both times there was 1–2 hours layover; the first time there it was midday and I had to make do with seeing the Burj and metro from the terminal building and the second time it was the middle of the night. But I think someday I will have longer in Dubai, and I will get to take that ride.
Thanks for the suggested edit! I probably won't nominate this one again just yet, but probably within the next month or so. Daniel Case (talk) 03:48, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Looks really nice and interesting now. You can at least count on my 's' vote when you decide to renominate it.
Thanks for the video link, it looks really cool and futuristic. A fun fact is that many architects active today, have confessed to have their style influenced by old Sci-Fi books and films. Those who wrote and illustrated those are in fact the concept illustrators for what we see around us today. Sci-Fi creators have always helped visualize our dreams and future, starting with Jules Verne via Carl Sagan and up to William Gibson. If we want to see what architecture will look like 20-30 years from now, I'd say it's fair to check out the current gaming community.
Dubai is not on my bucket list. Far too hot for my taste, not to mention their Medieval view on women. --Cart (talk) 16:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I wouldn't want to live there (I read someone online saying that living in Dubai, after a while, is like living in the world's largest aquarium), just see more of it than Concourse B at the airport. Not really so much to see, and due to the UAE's lack of FoP, fairly strict personal-privacy laws and reputation for vigorous enforcement of them, I didn't take any pictures when I passed through. But ... if there is sort of a Grand Central station on the planet currently, it's there. It is really a unique experience to get there in the middle of the night local time and have the place be packed and all the stores, including of course the duty-free, be open, as people from all over the world wait for their connection. I didn't get my passport stamped there (I supposed if I had been there longer I could have gone to immigration) but I did save some dirham notes, which I got by ... well, I can now say I've bought coffee at a Starbucks in the Arab world.
Gaming-influenced architecture ... that would be ... well, let's just wait and see it. Daniel Case (talk) 06:11, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
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