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Welcome to the Structured Commons focus group!Edit

Hello! Thank you very much for signing up to the community focus group for Structured Commons :-)

How to organize ourselves?

This focus group is new and experimental, and I welcome your tips and thoughts on how we can organize this in the most convenient and productive way. For now, I have posted a few separate topics on the focus group's talk page. Please add your questions there too! If we all add that page to our watchlist, that's probably a good way to stay up to date with current discussions. Steinsplitter has also initiated a brand new IRC channel specifically for Structured Commons: wikimedia-commons-sd (webchat) which we invite you to join. Please let me know if you have other ideas on how to work together.

Current updates

Warmly, your community liaison, SandraF (WMF) (talk)

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Structured Commons newsletter, October 25, 2017Edit

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
Things to do / input and feedback requests
Presentations / Press / Events
 
Audience at Structured Commons design discussion, Wikimania 2017
Team updates
 
The Structured Commons team at Wikimania 2017

Two new people have been hired for the Structured Data on Commons team. We are now complete! :-)

  • Ramsey Isler is the new Product Manager of the Multimedia team.
  • Pamela Drouin was hired as User Interface Designer. She works at the Multimedia team as well, and her work will focus on the Structured Commons project.
Partners and allies
  • We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!
Research

Design research is ongoing.

  • Jonathan Morgan and Niharika Ved have held interviews with various GLAM staff about their batch upload workflows and will finish and report on these in this quarter. (phabricator task T159495)
  • At this moment, there is also an online survey for GLAM staff, Wikimedians in Residence, and GLAM volunteers who upload media collections to Wikimedia Commons. The results will be used to understand how we can improve this experience. (phabricator task T175188)
  • Upcoming: interviews with Wikimedia volunteers who curate media on Commons (including tool developers), talking about activities and workflows. (phabricator task T175185)
Development

In Autumn 2017, the Structured Commons development team works on the following major tasks (see also the quarterly goals for the team):

  • Getting Multi-Content Revisions sufficiently ready, so that the Multimedia and Search Platform teams can start using it to test and prototype things.
  • Determine metrics and metrics baseline for Commons (phabricator task T174519).
  • The multimedia team at WMF is gaining expertise in Wikibase, and unblocking further development for Structured Commons, by completing the MediaInfo extension for Wikibase.
Stay up to date!

Warmly, your community liaison, SandraF (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 14:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Structured Commons focus group update, Nov 21, 2017Edit

Hello! You are receiving this message because you signed up for the the community focus group for Structured Commons :-)

IRC office hour today, 21 November, 18.00 UTC
  • The IRC office hour about Structured Commons takes place at 18:00 UTC in wikimedia-office webchat. Amanda, Ramsey and I will give updates about the project, and you can ask us questions. The log will be published afterwards.
Tools update

Many important community tools for Commons and Wikidata will benefit from an update to structured data in the future. You can help indicate which tools will need attention:

Warmly, your community liaison SandraF (WMF) (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Structured Commons focus group update, December 11, 2017Edit

Hello! You are receiving this message because you signed up for the community focus group for Structured Commons :-)

Later this week, a full newsletter will be distributed, but you are the first to receive an update on new requests for feedback.

Three requests for feedback
  1. We received many additions to the spreadsheet that collects important Commons and Wikidata tools. Thank you! Now, you can participate in a survey that helps us understand and prioritize which tools and functionalities are most important for the Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata communities. The survey runs until December 22. Here's some background.
  2. Help the team decide on better names for 'captions' and 'descriptions'. You can provide input until January 3, 2018.
  3. Help collect interesting Commons files, to prepare for the data modelling challenges ahead! Continuous input is welcome there.

Warmly, your community liaison SandraF (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) - 16:40, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Structured Commons newsletter, December 13, 2017Edit

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
Things to do / input and feedback requests
 
A multi-licensed image on Wikimedia Commons, with a custom {{EthnologyItemMHNT}} Information template. Do you also know media files on Commons that will be interesting or challenging to model with structured data? Add them to the Interesting Commons files page.
Presentations / Press / Events
Presentation about Structured Commons and Wikidata, at WikimediaCon in Berlin.
  • Sandra presented the plans for Structured Commons during WikidataCon in Berlin, on October 29. The presentation focused on collaboration between the Wikidata and Commons communities. You can see the full video here.
Partners and allies
  • We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!
Research
  • Research findings from interviews and surveys of GLAM project participants are being published to the research page. Check back over the next few weeks as additional details (notes, quotes, charts, blog posts, and slide decks) will be added to or linked from that page.
Development
  • The Structured Commons team has written and submitted a report about the first nine months of work on the project to its funders, the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. The 53-page report, published on November 1, is available on Wikimedia Commons.
  • The team has started working on designs for changes to the upload wizard (T182019).
  • We started preliminary work to prototype changes for file info pages.
  • Work on the MediaInfo extension is ongoing (T176012).
  • The team is continuing its work on baseline metrics on Commons, in order to be able to measure the effectiveness of structured data on Commons. (T174519)
  • Upcoming: in the first half of 2018, the first prototypes and design sketches for file pages, the UploadWizard, and for search will be published for discussion and feedback!
Stay up to date!

Warmly, your community liaison, SandraF (WMF) (talk)

Message sent by MediaWiki message delivery - 16:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


Welcome, Dear Filemover!Edit

 

Hi Zaccarias, you're now a filemover. When moving files please respect the following advice:

  • Use the CommonsDelinker link in the {{rename}} template to order a bot to replace all ocurrences of the old title with the new one. Or, if there was no rename-request, please use the Move & Replace-tab.
  • Please do not tag redirects as {{speedy}}. Other projects, including those using InstantCommons, might be using the file even though they don't show up in the global usage. Deleting the redirects would break their file references.
  • Please know and follow the file rename guidelines.

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Hystrix (talk) 20:12, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

„Marmor“Edit

Lieber Datei- und Kategoriesortierer Zaccarias, verbesserte Sortierstrukturen halte ich für begrüßenswert. Einige Zuordnungen habe ich wieder verändern müssen. Bitte mal mit dem Marmorbegriff eingehender vertraut machen. Es ist auch nicht so, dass jede Natursteinbezeichnung, die einen Ortsnamen enthält, gleichzeitig dadurch auf den Abbauort des Gesteins verweist und deshalb unter dem augenscheinlich plausiblen Ort kategorisiert werden sollte (z.B. Saalburger Marmor). Eine ganze Reihe von Bildern, die irgendwie mit „marble“ oder „marbre“ oder „marmol“ beschriftet wurden, sind entgegen der bisherigen Kategorisierung „metamorphic rocks in ....“ (also hier Marmor im Sinne der Gesteinsnomenklatur) keine solche, sondern in sehr vielen Fällen farbige, gebänderte usw. Kalksteine. Demnach als „Sedimentary rocks in ...“ zu kategorisieren. Um das zu unterscheiden, muss man die Dekorationsgesteine im einzelnen kennen oder spezielle Literatur heranziehen. Zum Marmorbegriff außerhalb der Geowissenschaften siehe den Link oben. Fragen beantworte ich gern. Einen guten Rutsch wünscht mit besten Grüßen --Lysippos (talk) 21:08, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Lieber @Lysippos:, erstmal wünsche ich dir alles Gute im neuen Jahr.
Die Dateien von Marmor bzw. Kalksteinen habe ich deswegen angefasst, weil einige dieser Dateien in dieser Wartungskategorie bzw. teils auch in einer ähnlichen anders datierten aufgeschienen sind. Dabei geht es zunächst einmal darum, zu prüfen, ob der automatische Transfer nach Commons rechtens abgelaufen ist, also die Lizenz- Autor- und eventuelle weitere Angaben korrekt sind. Wenn ich eine Datei zu Gesicht bekomme, nehme ich gewohnheitsmäßig – sofern möglich – auch eine grobe Kategorisierung vor. Da noch nicht einsortierte Dateien sehr oft wild durcheinander gemischt aufzufinden sind, ergibt sich zwangsläufig die Notwendigkeit zunächst einmal eine grobe Sortierung vorzunehmen. In einer solchen Situation ist es unmöglich, bei allen Dateien, die man anfassen muss, fachlich versiert zu sein. Im Allgemeinen versucht man das zwar zu umgehen (ich jedenfalls), indem man nur sehr grob kategorisiert und die Feinsortierung den jeweiligen Fachautoren überlässt. Gelegentlich passiert es halt, dass man eine Kategorie zuweist, in die die entsprechende Datei eigentlich nicht hineingehört.
Danke jedenfalls für den Hinweis, dass Sortenbezeichnungen mit Ortsnamen nicht mit dem Abbauort gleichzusetzen sind. In dieser Hinsicht war meine Zuweisung nicht zielführend. Derartige Kategorisierungen werde ich künftig unterlassen. Dazu möchte ich allerdings auch anmerken, dass Mediendateien auf Commons immer durch ihren Inhalt sowie ihrer ergänzenden Beschreibung definiert sind bzw. sein sollten. Kategorien dienen nur der Sortierung, sollen aber keine ergänzende Beschreibung bzw. Klassifizierung darstellen oder ersetzen.
Was die Thematik marble / limestone angeht, war mir diese Problematik schon ansatzweise bewusst. Hier herrscht auf Commons mit Sicherheit ein Chaos. Es fängt ja schon damit an, dass die Kategorien "marbles from..." keine wirkliche Definition haben. Natürlich gibt es eine Kategoriestruktur, die Rückschlüsse oder Interpretationen auf den Zweck einzelner Kategorien zulässt. Dennoch sollte jede Kategorie für sich exakt definiert sein; eine Anforderung die aufgrund der Mehrsprachigkeit in vielen Fällen noch zusätzlich erschwert wird. Im Hinblick auf Nomenklatur, echten / unechten Marmor bzw. Gestein welches zwar als "marble" bezeichnet wird, aber im geologischen Sinne gar kein Marmor ist, gibt es hier sicher viel zu tun. Danke jedenfalls für deine Korrekturen. Beste Grüße Zaccarias (talk) 16:00, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Lieber Zaccarias, danke für Deine ausführliche Antwort. Natürlich besteht kein Rechtfertigungsgrund dafür, wenn mal die eine oder andere Kat schief geht. Mir ging es um die Sensibilisierung bei diesem "Minenfeld". Diese stark voneinander abweichenden Anwendungsfälle des Begriffs „Marmor“ sind verständlicherweise nicht so sehr bekannt. Ich stimme Dir zu, es herrscht hier tatsächlich Chaos. Vermutlich wird es auch künftig immer wieder zu unklaren Einordnungen kommen. Dein Vorschlag zur Definition von Kategorien halte ich für den einzigen sinnvollen vorbeugenden Schritt. Ich denke mal in den nächsten Tagen über eine kurze-straffe Eingangsformulierung nach. Es wird trotzdem erneut von Uploadern zu irreführenden Beschriftungen kommen, weil manchmal solche Informationen in Touristenführern und Sachbüchern enthalten sind. Bitte lasse Dich aber von weiteren Kategorisierungen in diesem Bereich nicht abhalten. Es lässt sich in den Einzelfällen ja stets ändern. Ortsnamen sind in vielen Fällen mit dem Abbauort identisch, nur manchmal nicht. Dafür gibt es gute Gründe, die jedoch nicht auf geowissenschaftlicher Basis zu erklären sind. Den Fall Saalburg oder ähnliche nicht im Detail zu kennen, ist kein Fauxpas.
Die konkrete Zuordnung zu Marmor oder Kalkstein oder etwas noch anderes ist in manchen Fällen wirklich nicht leicht zu treffen. Hin und wieder schaue ich mit rein. Herzliche Grüße --Lysippos (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Structured Commons - Design feedback request: Multilingual CaptionsEdit

Hello! You are receiving this message because you signed up for the the community focus group for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons.

The Structured Data on Commons team has a new design feedback request up for Multilingual Captions support in the Upload Wizard. Visit the page for more information about the potential designs. Discussion and feedback is welcome there.

On a personal note, you'll see me posting many of these communications going forward for the Structured Data project, as SandraF transitions into working on the GLAM side of things for Structured Data on Commons full time. For the past six months she's been splitting time between the two roles (GLAM and Community Liaison). I'm looking forward to working with you all again. Thank you, happy editing. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 15:09, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data feedback - What gets stored where (Ontology)Edit

Greetings,

There is a new feedback request for Structured Data on Commons (link for messages posted to Commons: , regarding what metadata from a file gets stored where. Your participation is appreciated.

Happy editing to you. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 22:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

First structured licensing conversation on CommonsEdit

Greetings,

The first conversation about structured copyright and licensing for Structured Data on Commons has been posted, please come by and participate. The discussion will be open through the end of the month (March). Thank you. -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:26, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Billie76.JPGEdit

This is not a radar image but a satellite image. I had to correct your edition (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Billie76.JPG&diff=291470271&oldid=210447349).

Pierre cb (talk) 19:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Pierre cb:. No problem. Thank you. I remember that I was unsure when I've added the category. Sorry. I try to be more careful in the future. --Zaccarias (talk) 20:00, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global surveyEdit

WMF Surveys, 18:22, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data on Commons Newsletter - Spring 2018Edit

Welcome to the newsletter for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons! You can update your subscription to the newsletter and contribute to the next issue. Do inform others who you think will want to be involved in the project!

Community updates
  • Our dedicated IRC channel: wikimedia-commons-sd webchat
  • Several Commons community members are working on ways to integrate Wikidata in Wikimedia Commons. While this is not full-fledged structured data yet, this work helps to prepare for future conversion of data, and helps to understand how Wikidata and Commons can work better together.
Things to do / input and feedback requests
Discussions held
Events
Partners and allies
  • We are still welcoming (more) staff from GLAMs (Galleries, Libraries, Archives and Museums) to become part of our long-term focus group (phabricator task T174134). You will be kept in the loop of the project, and receive regular small surveys and requests for feedback. Get in touch with Sandra if you're interested - your input in helping to shape this project is highly valued!
Research
Development
  • Prototypes will be available for Multilingual Captions soon.
Stay up to date!

-- Keegan (WMF) (talk)

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Category reversionEdit

You reverted my removal of the image File:August, 1971. STUDENT TEAM AT WORK WITH HAER PHOTOGRAPHER. - Utah Power Company, Granite Hydroelectric Plant, Holladay, Salt Lake County, UT HAER UTAH,18-HOLD,2-5.tif from Category:Historic American Buildings Survey photographers. You do realize that this is the only HAER image of any structure anywhere in the U.S. in this category? This is also a redundancy because the actual photographer of the image also has his images in a subcategory in the directory tree of which this image is also categorized. For these reasons I removed the image from this parent category. I realize that one of the people captured in the image is an unidentified HAER photographer. I don't feel that this alone is sufficiently noteworthy for inclusion in a category aimed towards identifying works by their creators rather than their subjects. If, however, you can determine which photographer who also was taking pictures at the Granite Hydroelectric Plant in 1971 is depicted in the photo, then the image should be categorized in his subcategory. Fortguy (talk) 06:17, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

@Fortguy:: Thanks for your reply. The main reason for my revert is that you have removed the image from the category without taking account of that it shows a photographer involved in this project and that this person should be listed somewhere where he can possibly be found. On your remark that you recognize Category:Historic American Buildings Survey photographers to be a category aimed towards identifying works by their creators rather than their subjects I have to say that this wasn't clear for me at the time when I did my revert. In my opinion you can't tell that just by looking at the category page (which should be the only source of an exact definition). You are right that the listed subcategories and files imply to be this main category defined as one sorting works by their authors but such a definition should be made on the category page itself.
In comparison to the HABS photographers category (on which I didn't spend much time) you may want to take a look at Category:American Civil War photographers (in which I've invested many hours in finding and sorting images and subcategories and performing maintenance work.) This category system also presents information and images on the photographers not only on their works. (Currently it also contains two images in the main category showing photographers at work which should be sorted into a better place. This will eventually happen.)
I have revised the categories of the image file which you have mentioned: [1] Do you agree? --Zaccarias (talk) 20:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, looks great! Fortguy (talk) 20:59, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

World map rename - what setEdit

In Special:Diff/295915454 you renamed a world map according to "Criterion 4 (harmonizing names of file set) · Harmonizing name with the rest of the category)". Did you check what set that was? I am worried that the user just wanted English names on files in a category he/she was working on. That is no reason for renaming. --LPfi (talk) 04:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@LPfi: These were the file renamings which I've performed yesterday.

  • It seemed to me that the users intention was to distinguish between a simplified and a detailed map and not just to switch to English filenames.
  • For me these three images form a set because they focus on the same topic and are very similar and also are listed in the same category.
  • The users request appeared okay for me. I assumed good faith and performed the move.

Personally I don't care that much about filenames and only do renamings of obvious errors when editing all by myself. When other people request files to be renamed I tend to decline their requests when I am not convinced. So I appreciate your concern about the necessity of renames.--Zaccarias (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

UN AltarEdit

Dear Zaccarias, I changed the information added by you about the Un headquarters because the picture was taken by myself on Altamira, Caracas. Also, the article that you are using like reference tell that Maria Corina after to come from the Maiquetia Airport (Venezuela) she traveled to Altamira (UN headquarters in Venezuela is situed on Altamira, Caracas city, Venezuela). Thanks for your time and interest about the Venezuela situation. --The Photographer 13:01, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@The Photographer: Thanks for your reply. I was just a little confused because the term UN headquarters normally refers to the United Nations in New York City, see Category:Headquarters of the United Nations. I have revised the categories once again and also changed the description slightly. Please check again. Do we still need the weblink I have taken from en.wp? This refers to a protest related to Venezuela but at the UN in Brazil, doesn't it? --Zaccarias (talk) 13:22, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Multilingual captions testing is availableEdit

Greetings,

The early prototype for multilingual caption support is available for testing. More information on how to sign up to test is on Commons. Thanks, happy editing to you. - Keegan (WMF) (talk) 17:06, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

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