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{{unblock|Member of Wiki Love Monuments Ireland-removing illegible images from contest category}}
Hi Sameichel, you have never been blocked at this project (as user Sameichel). Hence it is not necessary to file an unblock request. Where you active under the IP address 46.7.214.34? Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 11:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
I was using IP address 46.7.214.34, I didn't realize I wasn't logged in. I am logged in now. Cheers Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 11:57, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Sameichel, thank you for the clarification. I blocked that IP as I noticed that eligible monuments were removed from the category. Examples: File:Ballybeg Priory interior.jpg (monument #301) or File:Roscommon St. Mary's Priory Nave as seen from the Transept 2014 08 28.jpg (monument #362 as even noticed in the description). No edit comments were given. Hence it appeared like an attempt to screw up the WLM competition. You should be more careful before you reject contributions. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 12:07, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- No worries. It's my fault for not being logged in...using a computer I don't usually use. Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 12:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- No problem but please do not reject eligible contributions as you did as IP (examples above, another example: File:Carndonagh South Pillar West Face 2014 09 09.jpg, national monument #271 as noted in its description). Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Why this, again? As already told above, photographs from this site (Augustinian Priory Ballybeg in County Cork, national monument #301) are eligible. --AFBorchert (talk) 12:25, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- The monuments eligible for our contest are listed on our website: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.ie/index/ If it is not on this list it is not eligible for this year's contest. The first two examples you cited above (St Mary's Priory in Roscommon and Ballybeg) are not on the list. The third is on the list, a mistake on my part. Not all of the monuments listed on the Wikipedia pages are eligible for the contest. Please keep in mind that I am a volunteer, not being paid to do this painstaking work. Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 12:31, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Why on earth are not all national monuments of Ireland eligible for this contest? This would have been a well-defined set. Why just some random selection? I am ready to contest this as this is entirely out of the line of standards we have held up in the sections of the other countries. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 12:36, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Ireland does not release their National Monuments data under a license that permits reuse or publication on Wikipedia. We are working with the government to release as much of this data as possible. The data we have posted on our website is the list of monuments that we have been given permission to publish. Our original list came from the Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht. The list they provided us were monuments in State Care that are accessible to the public. We then supplemented that list with lists obtained from several, but not all, of the County Heritage offices which gave us lists of monuments under their care. We only heard from 6 out of 26 counties. There are also monuments that are under city council care and under private care. I would guess that the monuments cited above fall under one of those categories. There are close to 150,000 "monuments" in Ireland. Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 12:50, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- I am talking about national monuments, please take a look at en:National Monument (Ireland). I am not talking about recorded archaeological heritage in Ireland. The set of national monuments is well known and public, please be refered to this list which lists the monuments for each individual county. These lists are also reflected by corresponding articles at en:wp, take en:List of National Monuments in County Cork as example which lists the national monuments of County Cork (including Ballybeg Priory). These lists are complete. WLM works always this way: There is a criteria defined which refers to some official classification for monuments (like national monument in this case) and all objects of this class are afterwards eligible for the contest, provided it can be proven that they belong to that class. This is trivially possible in this case for Ireland. In future contests we can think about other other recorded archaeological heritage or the National Inventory of Architectional Heritage (NIAH) but obviously we should always refer to these official definitions and obviously the minimal set we can work with is the very limited and well-known set of national monuments in Ireland. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 13:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Ireland does not have a default "open" law as pertains to data published by the government. In other words, it has to say it's open to be open. All of the monument data is covered under the copyright that you can find on this website: http://www.archaeology.ie/archaeologicalsurveyofireland/sitesandmonumentsdatabase/ The Wikipedia pages on Ireland's National Monuments are not authoritative. In the example you cited above, Ballybeg, we were not given permission to publish that data on our website, which is why it is not on the list. Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 13:35, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- The authoritative list for County Cork has been published here which provides three entries for Ballybeg (tower, dovecot, and priory — all as national monument #301). This information is official, public and accessible. It defines the complete set of national monuments for County Cork. The other lists can be found here. You do not need any permission by anyone to list Ballybeg Priory as national monument of Ireland. This is also the reason why en:wp happily replicated these lists in the corresponding articles. And in other countries we do the same if the lists are public. Again, WLM operates with official designations as monuments, like national monument of Ireland, whether complete lists are published or not. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 13:55, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- The pages you are referring to are covered by the copyright page I cited above, as the copyright covers the entire website. Your inference that the list is public and accessible is inconsequential to the fact that the State retains the rights to republish or otherwise broadcast this data on any or all public forums. The Wikimedia Ireland Community is working closely with the State and other organisations to make this information more open. We ask that you respect the decisions made by the organsing group, of which I am a member, that the rules of the Irish Wiki Loves Monuments contest were made with specific limitations placed upon us by Irish law. The list of monuments eligible for the 2014 competition was decided months before the competition began and cannot be revised now. Please trust that we are working to the best of our abilities to expand the list for future competitions. We welcome your support towards these ends. We look forward to working with you for the 2015 competition.
- Facts like whether an object is listed as a national monument or not are not eligible for copyright. Consequently, you cannot violate copyright by stating that Ballybeg Priory is listed as a national monument of Ireland. And there was no need to attempt to replicate these lists anyway at your site. It would have been sufficient to refer to the official web page that provides the lists of national monuments of Ireland. Please remember that this is not a random competition but one running as WLM contest. The WLM contests strive for completeness in regard to what is officially designated as monument to the extent possible. WLM contests do not operate with monument lists some group of volunteers found eligible but with official monument and heritage classifications. At meta:Wikimedia Ireland Community you have stated boldly The national competition encourages amateur and professional photographers to seek out and capture images of Ireland's national monuments, then share them with a global audience online. And then you are not going to accept some of the national monuments because you happen to omit them in your lists for whatever arbitrary random reason? How can this be taken serious? Look, for example, at the eligibility criteria for the United Kingdom. They refer to official designations and lists of the government or government agencies. All the links go to governmental web sites that provide access to the corresponding databases. Likewise the French colleagues refer to the Mérimée database which lists all monuments in France. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 15:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Please read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments#Contest_rules Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 15:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- That confirms what I am writing: Governmental monument lists are the base of WLM contests, not a random selection by a group of volunteers. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 15:28, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Actually is says "The current selection of participating countries are simply those countries where volunteers have taken the time to create such submission lists. There are however, also some countries in which legal restrictions prevent making such lists available or in which photographs of heritage may not be eligible for Wikipedia. The legislation on cultural heritage varies widely per jurisdiction."
- This is in Ireland trivial, just refer to the list of national monuments. Note that there exist countries with no published lists where this is not trivial and where volunteers are collecting evidence to list monuments. These lists are in many cases not complete. But even in this case the lists do not specifiy the eligibility as this is always defined by an official classification of the government. The simple rule holds: If you can prove that an object is a monument (according to the given classification), then it is eligible, whether it has been listed before or not. In consequence, these lists help to find eligible objects but they do not define the set of eligible objects. --AFBorchert (talk) 15:56, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Actually is says "The current selection of participating countries are simply those countries where volunteers have taken the time to create such submission lists. There are however, also some countries in which legal restrictions prevent making such lists available or in which photographs of heritage may not be eligible for Wikipedia. The legislation on cultural heritage varies widely per jurisdiction."
- That confirms what I am writing: Governmental monument lists are the base of WLM contests, not a random selection by a group of volunteers. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 15:28, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Please read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Monuments#Contest_rules Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 15:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Facts like whether an object is listed as a national monument or not are not eligible for copyright. Consequently, you cannot violate copyright by stating that Ballybeg Priory is listed as a national monument of Ireland. And there was no need to attempt to replicate these lists anyway at your site. It would have been sufficient to refer to the official web page that provides the lists of national monuments of Ireland. Please remember that this is not a random competition but one running as WLM contest. The WLM contests strive for completeness in regard to what is officially designated as monument to the extent possible. WLM contests do not operate with monument lists some group of volunteers found eligible but with official monument and heritage classifications. At meta:Wikimedia Ireland Community you have stated boldly The national competition encourages amateur and professional photographers to seek out and capture images of Ireland's national monuments, then share them with a global audience online. And then you are not going to accept some of the national monuments because you happen to omit them in your lists for whatever arbitrary random reason? How can this be taken serious? Look, for example, at the eligibility criteria for the United Kingdom. They refer to official designations and lists of the government or government agencies. All the links go to governmental web sites that provide access to the corresponding databases. Likewise the French colleagues refer to the Mérimée database which lists all monuments in France. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 15:02, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- The pages you are referring to are covered by the copyright page I cited above, as the copyright covers the entire website. Your inference that the list is public and accessible is inconsequential to the fact that the State retains the rights to republish or otherwise broadcast this data on any or all public forums. The Wikimedia Ireland Community is working closely with the State and other organisations to make this information more open. We ask that you respect the decisions made by the organsing group, of which I am a member, that the rules of the Irish Wiki Loves Monuments contest were made with specific limitations placed upon us by Irish law. The list of monuments eligible for the 2014 competition was decided months before the competition began and cannot be revised now. Please trust that we are working to the best of our abilities to expand the list for future competitions. We welcome your support towards these ends. We look forward to working with you for the 2015 competition.
- The authoritative list for County Cork has been published here which provides three entries for Ballybeg (tower, dovecot, and priory — all as national monument #301). This information is official, public and accessible. It defines the complete set of national monuments for County Cork. The other lists can be found here. You do not need any permission by anyone to list Ballybeg Priory as national monument of Ireland. This is also the reason why en:wp happily replicated these lists in the corresponding articles. And in other countries we do the same if the lists are public. Again, WLM operates with official designations as monuments, like national monument of Ireland, whether complete lists are published or not. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 13:55, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Ireland does not have a default "open" law as pertains to data published by the government. In other words, it has to say it's open to be open. All of the monument data is covered under the copyright that you can find on this website: http://www.archaeology.ie/archaeologicalsurveyofireland/sitesandmonumentsdatabase/ The Wikipedia pages on Ireland's National Monuments are not authoritative. In the example you cited above, Ballybeg, we were not given permission to publish that data on our website, which is why it is not on the list. Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 13:35, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- I am talking about national monuments, please take a look at en:National Monument (Ireland). I am not talking about recorded archaeological heritage in Ireland. The set of national monuments is well known and public, please be refered to this list which lists the monuments for each individual county. These lists are also reflected by corresponding articles at en:wp, take en:List of National Monuments in County Cork as example which lists the national monuments of County Cork (including Ballybeg Priory). These lists are complete. WLM works always this way: There is a criteria defined which refers to some official classification for monuments (like national monument in this case) and all objects of this class are afterwards eligible for the contest, provided it can be proven that they belong to that class. This is trivially possible in this case for Ireland. In future contests we can think about other other recorded archaeological heritage or the National Inventory of Architectional Heritage (NIAH) but obviously we should always refer to these official definitions and obviously the minimal set we can work with is the very limited and well-known set of national monuments in Ireland. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 13:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Ireland does not release their National Monuments data under a license that permits reuse or publication on Wikipedia. We are working with the government to release as much of this data as possible. The data we have posted on our website is the list of monuments that we have been given permission to publish. Our original list came from the Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht. The list they provided us were monuments in State Care that are accessible to the public. We then supplemented that list with lists obtained from several, but not all, of the County Heritage offices which gave us lists of monuments under their care. We only heard from 6 out of 26 counties. There are also monuments that are under city council care and under private care. I would guess that the monuments cited above fall under one of those categories. There are close to 150,000 "monuments" in Ireland. Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 12:50, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Why on earth are not all national monuments of Ireland eligible for this contest? This would have been a well-defined set. Why just some random selection? I am ready to contest this as this is entirely out of the line of standards we have held up in the sections of the other countries. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 12:36, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- The monuments eligible for our contest are listed on our website: http://www.wikilovesmonuments.ie/index/ If it is not on this list it is not eligible for this year's contest. The first two examples you cited above (St Mary's Priory in Roscommon and Ballybeg) are not on the list. The third is on the list, a mistake on my part. Not all of the monuments listed on the Wikipedia pages are eligible for the contest. Please keep in mind that I am a volunteer, not being paid to do this painstaking work. Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 12:31, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Why this, again? As already told above, photographs from this site (Augustinian Priory Ballybeg in County Cork, national monument #301) are eligible. --AFBorchert (talk) 12:25, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- No problem but please do not reject eligible contributions as you did as IP (examples above, another example: File:Carndonagh South Pillar West Face 2014 09 09.jpg, national monument #271 as noted in its description). Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 12:17, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- No worries. It's my fault for not being logged in...using a computer I don't usually use. Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 12:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Castlekeeran Crosses edit
Hi Sameichel, why are you considering the following pictures as ineligible for WLM Ireland 2014 despite the fact that the monument is listed as national monument #107 and even being listed at your site:
This set of three depicted high crosses is even complete, just the cross slab, the base without cross, and the ogham stone are missing. --AFBorchert (talk) 15:35, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Like every human, I make mistakes. The name of the file and the name in the description were spelled differently than the listing on the website. I have corrected my mistake. Shannon Eichelberger (talk) 15:42, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Sure, we all make mistakes, no problem here. In Ireland you must not rely that the same placename is always written with the same spelling. If in doubt, I can help you with most heritage objects in Ireland. Regards, --AFBorchert (talk) 15:56, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
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