Commons:Graphics village pump/October 2021

Recreating Old Bus Company Logos

Hi, think this is the right place to go. Currently doing heavy work on South Yorkshire Transport to get the page up to wiki standard, and in absence of a copyright-free photo of an SYT bus, I'm moving onto the subject of logos.

However, I'm not sure how to go about them. In my possession, I have photos showing (almost?) flat views of the logos of pre-privatisation South Yorkshire Transport and Mainline from two preserved buses from now-defunct companies - one in the South Yorkshire Transport Museum, one at the Sandtoft Trolleybus Museum - and I am interested in seeing these as potential references for logos on the Commons. However, I'm not sure if they can be classed as "derivative works" on the Commons to start with, and from here, I'm not sure what the process would be to request that they are vectorised for inclusion in a Wikipedia article.

Given that these are preserved buses in private collections, bearing the logos of now-defunct bus companies (since 1998, at least), would I be able under copyright restrictions to upload these photos to the Commons with the intention of having members of COM:GL/I do their work on them?

I also have in my possession an (almost) flat photograph of a South Yorkshire Transport logo used in a company advertisement extracted from a May 1990 issue of Bus & Coach Buyer, the logo of which would make an ideal header in the infobox. Having studied COM:OWN WORK, though, an extract regarding the use of this reads: "taking a simple photograph of a two-dimensional work that is already copyrighted, creates no ownership in you. For example, if you snap a flat photograph of a document (or merely scan or download it from somewhere), you have done nothing original and you do not own the copyright to the resulting file". Am I, therefore, unable to use that magazine photo to help with creating a vector? Unfortunately, it's the only reference for that version of the logo I can find.

If I want to be honest, I don't know how to put it plainly, so I'll wrap up here: Can I use two pictures of preserved buses belonging to now-defunct bus companies as references for vector artists, and am I equally unable to upload the SYT advertisement from the magazine for use of references?

Kind regards, Hullian111 (talk) 11:03, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

How can I create logos like that?

Hi everyone!! I'm creating at my Spanish Wikipedia workplace an article from Protocol, an USA tech News website, and I would like to put there the website logo, in the same way the logos behind are used in their respective Wikipedia pages:

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  Politico's logo
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  NY times logo
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  The Verge logo

How were they created? How can I create with Inkscape on Windows 10? I can use Gimp too if you recommend, but I prefer Inkscape Sincerely yours, Fewasser (talk) 12:04, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fewasser: Hi, and welcome. Such logos should be digitized by their designers. In this case, protocol.com is "© 2021 Protocol Media, LLC". Please have an authorized representative of Protocol Media, LLC license their logo on their official website or social media or send it with permission via VRT with a carbon copy to you.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 03:21, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jeff G.: hi,thanks for the advice. I would see what can I do with this issue, but thank you so much for helping me and my project. Sincerely yours, Fewasser (talk) 11:56, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fewasser: You're welcome.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 12:01, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi, @Jeff G.: . And, i have another doubt. In some newspaper articles, there's a photo, scan or something like that showing a cover from the newspaper, with the image quality pretty reduced in comparison with the original one. It is possible for doing that with an online newspaper, or its not? Do I need an authorization too? Thanks, and excuse me for my English level... Sincerely yours, Fewasser (talk) 12:13, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fewasser: Yes, I'm afraid you need authorization for that too.   — Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me} 15:44, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

@Fewasser and Jeff G.: - in the United States, the logo of Protocol would not meet the "threshold of originality" (TOO) required to be eligible for copyright (see COM:TOO US and COM:TOO for more info). Thus (and also because it is a US based company), it is not protected by copyright and can be uploaded onto Commons as free media. MSG17 (talk) 21:22, 12 October 2021 (UTC)