Commons:Upload Wizard feedback/Archive/2012/08

First upload of this file will not display

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First upload of this file will not display. Second try is blocked because system says it has already been uploaded.

Original upload thumb|Add caption here Wiki name (talk) 18:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I reported this as a bug. bugzilla:38469 TheDJ (talk) 10:29, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the image per the authors request (ticket:2012071010009937). Trijnsteltalk 18:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

was simple

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good to upload simple facebook photos - robbie snl Valeriewinehouse (talk) 02:21, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

General

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Always when I use this wizard it will load up all files with exeption of one. It always refuses to complete the upload unless I remove this file. Later it is easily possible to load the respective file in an independent operation (one file only) KuK (talk) 11:37, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

interface not helpful

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repeated message: "There is one error in the forms above. Please correct the errors and try submitting again." The interface does not tell you WHAT is wrong and in WHICH ONE of the uploads, so I have to abandon the whole upload. And the same happens again the next time... AARGGH! Kotivalo (talk) 13:45, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Difficultés rencontrées dans l'importation de fichier.

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Je désire publier l'image d'un phénomène atmosphérique qui s'est manifesté dans mon living. Je demande que vous m'indiquiez la méthode à utiliser pour la joindre au récit envisager. Merci d'avance. ~~ (talk) 17:32, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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Gislhaine (talk) 18:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

nonada

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por que no puedo guardar las fotos Juan sebastian angulo (talk) 13:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Hochkant Fotos

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In der letzten Woche gelingt es praktisch nicht Hochkant-Fotos in der richtigen Lage hochzuladen. --K@rl (talk) 20:07, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

PS: Außerdem gibt es kaum Vorschuabilder sondern nur immer Upload allein. --K@rl (talk) 20:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Please either use one screen or provide a "back" button

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Currently, there appears no way to fix a typo on an earlier screen. Either provide a "back" button (the one in browser does not work), or put everything onto one screen. Wikidim2 (talk) 18:51, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I need to correct a typo

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I need to correct a typo in a .jpg file name... is there a way? Bdcousineau (talk) 16:30, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. That cannot be done via the Wizard. If you tell me which file, I could help in renaming it. Regards Rehman 04:00, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Aide...

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Je viens de mettre une photo d'Alfred Colombet,mon arrière grand-père... Sauf que j'ai fait une erreur, je l'ai appelé Albert Colombet... Je télécharge donc une autre photo presque similaire...

Comment puis-je effacer l'autre ? Je n'y parviens pas... merci d'avance,

Gauthier Gauthinho (talk) 19:08, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

un gusto

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emm no se como seguir , ya cargue las fotos T_T Dretradia (talk) 02:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

tyconn

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I need help Tyconn2 (talk) 19:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

no me deja poner el escudo de recas en su sitio en resumen n

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no me deja poner el escudo de recas en su sitio en resumen no me deja subirlo Adrirecas (talk) 21:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

"back" button

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a button to go back one step (if there is one, please make it more obvious) would have saved me from restarting the wizard (and waiting again for a several minutes for uploads) several times. Flugaal (talk) 15:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

problem adding categories

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When giving a category it gave me a warning - "that category doesn't exist" (it exists - swear!). (I then added the "Category:" prefix - but in the end that was exactly the wrong thing to do.) Flugaal (talk) 15:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

unknown-warning

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Das Hochladen scheitert mehrmals sowohl mit Firefox als auch mit Opera. Claus Ableiter (talk) 07:11, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

 

error

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i keep getting the message ' Unknown error: "unknown-warning" ' - it's the same error as Claus Ableiter reported above.

if I use the normal upload method it works. this is the file i try to upload: http://archive.org/download/GreeceZakynthosNavagio2012Photos/IMGP3487.JPG

it is my own work taken with my camera. you may contact me on commons user Sokoban . thanks ! Sokoban (talk) 08:58, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Some testing shows that this probably has to do with the meaningless file names that you both use. Neither IMGP3487 nor DSCF8327 are particularly good descriptions of what the files depict, and such names are blacklisted. The error message could be a bit more helpful, though, to say the least, and it should not be an error at that stage, since you get to choose the Commons file name in a later step. LX (talk, contribs) 10:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, indeed this was the reason. I will rename all my files with useful file names. Ofcourse I was going to give a usefull name on Commons ... Sokoban

Procédure d'insertion d'image personnelle

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J'ai besoin de l'écran "origine de l'œuvre" ~~ (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

יהודה גובנה

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למה עולה Tamasgen159 (talk) 15:49, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

first try

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bad experience. after reading tutorial, advanced to upload wizard. wanted to check sth in tutorial but couldn't get back to that page. Brettreasure (talk) 18:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Retry failed uploads

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I was uploading some images i've taken, when it says, "Unknown error "unknown warning". My photos have no problem, and i can upload them to Wikipedia just months ago, but now i cant. Earth100 (talk) 15:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

This usually happens if you don't choose a meaningful name, but instead use something like: IMGP#### or DSC#####. Such names are blacklisted, but unfortunately we seem to have a bug with providing proper feedback about that. TheDJ (talk) 08:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Upload not working - Unknown error: "unknown-warning".

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Trying to upload a small jpeg but get this error repetedly in multiple browsers. Peterkz (talk) 08:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

This usually happens if you don't choose a meaningful name, but instead use something like: IMGP#### or DSC#####. Such names are blacklisted, but unfortunately we seem to have a bug with providing proper feedback about that. TheDJ (talk) 08:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

importer une photo

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Impossible d'importer un fichier. Motif : erreur inconnue. Pourquoi ? Rebexho (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

This usually happens if you don't choose a meaningful name, but instead use something like: IMGP#### or DSC#####. Such names are blacklisted, but unfortunately we seem to have a bug with providing proper feedback about that. TheDJ (talk) 08:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Unbekannter Fehler: „unknown-warning“

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Gestern und heute ständig diese Fehlermeldung bei allen Hochladeversuchen. Ich will stinknormale selbstgemachte Camerabilder hochladen - was bisher immer geklappt hat. Geht die Fehlermeldung nicht ein bischen genauer und vielsagender? Hendrik Dochhorn 16:52, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

This usually happens if you don't choose a meaningful name, but instead use something like: IMGP#### or DSC#####. Such names are blacklisted, but unfortunately we seem to have a bug with providing proper feedback about that. TheDJ (talk) 08:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

error: Unknown warning: "exists-normalized".

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When the following error appears, I have no chance to change the title of the uploaded file: Unknown warning: "exists-normalized". Devcore (talk) 17:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

A known bug, it means that the name you chose to upload the file under, already is being used for a different image. Specifically, it exists with an alternate casing of some of the letters. So if you chose "Hello world.jpg", you might get this error if there already exists a "Hello World.jpg" TheDJ (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

upload poto file failure

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I can not upload photo file, tried 2 different photos and both failed, unknown error.

suggestions on changer to file format currently .jpg, 9.23 MB (9,685,805 bytes) JWmclean34 (talk) 13:24, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

This usually happens if you don't choose a meaningful name, but instead use something like: IMGP#### or DSC#####. Such names are blacklisted, but unfortunately we seem to have a bug with providing proper feedback about that. TheDJ (talk) 08:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Confirm navigation on leaving page

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I use this tool consistently and LOVE it! But one thing that has been bothering me lately is that when I try to close the window which says "Thanks fro uploading!", I get a browser message saying that I have unsaved changes and confirming that I want to leave the page. This isn't actually accurate, but always makes me nervous. Jwild (talk) 19:38, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Wizard blocks frequently

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Wizard blockfs frequently, i made a screenshot of the end   which shows that it is not possible to contunue to Release rights. Havang(nl) (talk) 10:08, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

erreur inconnue

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L'interface est très sympa à utiliser par contre en téléversant une image .JPG ou .jpg j'ai une erreur Erreur inconnue : « unknown-warning » Dlareg21 (talk) 10:54, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Nice!

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It was awesome using this upload. Its fast.. Heaofficial2012 (talk) 14:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

unbekannter Fehler: "unknown warning"

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Was bedeutet die Meldung? Ich versuche ein normales Bild hochzuladen und komme hier nicht weiter. Ich arbeite mit Firefox 14.0.1 unter windows 7 Abgesehen von den technischen Problemen finde ich den Wizard cool, mehrere Bilder auf einmal hochzuladen ist eine wesentliche Arbeitserleichterung. Jürgele (talk) 18:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

"unknown error"

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I don't know why but every time I try to upload any file it says "unknown error". I tried diferent computers and diferent formats but it still says the same. It didn't happen to me 1 month ago using the same camera, pc, etc. Cisamarc (talk) 14:55, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

The most common cause for this is that the file name on your computer is something meaningless like DSCF0001. The error message is utterly unhelpful, and it should not even be an error at that stage, since you get to choose the Commons file name in a later step. The only workaround until this recently introduced defect in the Upload Wizard is fixed is to change the name on your computer before you upload. LX (talk, contribs) 19:40, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

cannot upload file

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what does "Unknown error: "unknown-warning". mean? Trosesandler (talk) 18:45, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

The most common cause for this is that the file name on your computer is something meaningless like DSCF0001. The error message is utterly unhelpful, and it should not even be an error at that stage, since you get to choose the Commons file name in a later step. The only workaround until this recently introduced defect in the Upload Wizard is fixed is to change the name on your computer before you upload. LX (talk, contribs) 19:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Genoni

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vista Roberto soddu (talk) 09:34, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Too many errors...

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3 of my 31 uploads failed with a myriad of error message; "retry failed uploads" didn't help. My impression with the new upload wizard is that, on slow connections (which is most of the world), the wizard is causing more frustration than it helps.

Unknown error [api-error-internal_api_error_DBQueryError] Internal error: Something went wrong with processing your upload on the wiki. [api-error-internal_api_error_UploadStashFileNotFoundException] Deryck Chan (talk) 10:05, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

プレビューのサムネイルが取得できない

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同じカメラで同じ日に撮った写真が、アップロードできるのとできないのに分かれているのには問題がある。 Tamaru (talk) 20:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Geo data altitude expressed as quotient causes problems

My geo tagging device (Nikon GP-1) and other similar devices record altitudes as quotients, often (but not always) with a denominator of 1, eg. 370/1 for 370 meters above sealevel. I suspect that the device prefers to store two ints instead of one float. Now, the UploadWizard automatically imports geo data (including altitude) from the image, which is fine. But the UW considers an altitude not being a simple number to be a syntax error. So you have to change the altitude values, strip the /1 in simple cases or do the calculation in complicated cases. The copy function does not help much, because even multiple images of the same object, will have different locations and thus coordinates. So you won't override them.

My proposal & request for improvement: can you please eval the elevation value, if it's an numeric expression, it should be ok (no problem if you truncate it to whole units). We are intending to use the UW for the upcoming WLM2012 campaign in Austria, this limitation is an unnecessary inconvenience. thanks Herzi Pinki (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

file upload

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i have no any file uplode, help me about uplode Rafil lone (talk) 05:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Allow user to change filename after 'badname' error

When a user gets a 'badname' error while trying to publish an uploaded file, there is no possibility to go back and change the file's name, nor is mentioned why the file's name wasn't accepted and especially new editors are confused/frustrated. In order to upload the file, the user has to restart the upload wizard and go through all(!) steps a second time, including upload and selecting a license. That's not very user friendly.

I suggest to explain exactly why the name isn't allowed (e.g. "Contains :") and to allow the user to go back and chose a different name. Regards,--Kilian Kluge (WMDE) (talk) 09:05, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

"unknown-error"

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.. can't upload a picture,.. simplest task ever?!

macOS, google-chrome Jasper.reichardt (talk) 12:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

The most common cause for this is that the file name on your computer is something meaningless like DSCF0001. The error message is utterly unhelpful, and it should not even be an error at that stage, since you get to choose the Commons file name in a later step. The only workaround until this recently introduced defect in the Upload Wizard is fixed is to change the name on your computer before you upload. LX (talk, contribs) 15:11, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

No subject

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Das Formular zwingt mich zu Aussagen, die ich nicht abgeben will Bahnmoeller (talk) 13:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Thumbnail generation problem

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I attemtped to upload 18 png files, all approximately 5 MB in size. After about 12 of them had uploaded, about 4 of them had failed to generate thumbnails. Is there a file size issue? I have seen very high resolution files on Wikipedia in the past with thumbnails. Tomkinsr (talk) 03:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

nieudane przesyłanie plików

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jeżeli z jakiś powodów przesłanie plików się nie powiodło - w moim wypadku - Nieznane ostrzeżenie – badfilename - zła nazwa pliku, nieprawidłowa nazwa pliku, to zamiast możliwości powrotu do formularza by poprawić nazwę, czy cokolwiek innego mam możliwość jedynie "przesłać ponownie nieudane" - i tak naprawdę się zapętlam. Powinnam móc wrócić do formularza, albo usunąć plik, albo zrezygnować i wrócić do kreatora przesłania.

Ponieważ nie mam alternatywy, muszę ponownie ładować plik, co jest operacją długotrwałą i z informatycznego punktu widzenia zbędną

Pozdrawiam - Jolanta Dyr Jolanta Dyr (talk) 06:37, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Not working

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Has problem with half of the files I'm trying to upload. VERY annoying. Kormin (talk) 18:25, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Not finished

After uploading my 3 files, describing, categorizing, geotagging the pictures and inserting them into en articles, I hit Main Page and get, "You haven't finished; do you really want to leave?" or words to that effect. This usually happens, not just sometimes. Windows Vista and Google Chrome 21.0.1.1180.79. Jim.henderson (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like bugzilla:38022 – a known defect. LX (talk, contribs) 15:00, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Fehler bei Hochladen von Bildern

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Hallo, ich wollte gerne ein paar Bilder für das Dorf Bandekow (Ortschild, Staßen...) hochladen. Leider klappt das nicht. Ich bitte nun um Hilfe. Mit freundlichen Grüßen Marabinas (talk) 09:26, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

上傳

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照片無法上傳 會說遇到了不明的錯誤 Small28 (talk) 16:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Fallo al subir

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No funciona Gher (talk) 23:05, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

sou eu

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sou eu Luís Filipe Gouveia Teixeira De Sousa 22:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Skin problems; geotagging

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Some feedback:

  1. The Upload Wizard does not work with the Classic skin. There is no indication of what the problem is in the wizard itself; it silently fails to render. The FAQ (which there is no link for) is likewise silent on the matter. There is no "troubleshooting" page listing common problems and their solutions.
  2. Geotagging requires the user to enter decimal values; coordinates such as "64° 8'31.67"N / 21°55'38.06"W" yields an error message.

Other than that, good work. Schnee (talk) 20:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Disappointing

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I can't say I liked the change in the uploading tool, the old one seemed easier to use. This one fails when trying to upload several files at a time (you cannot get to the license step after the upload) and uploading a derivative file (such as a map translation) is cumbersome. Much room for improvement here. Rowanwindwhistler (talk) 21:15, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Blockade des restlichen Internetzuganges

Gegenüber dem Commonist hat der neue Wizzard den Nachteil, dass er versucht mehrere Dateien gleichzeitig zu übertragen. Das führt bei schwachen Internetzugängen dazu, dass die Leitung durch den Wizzard komplett blockiert ist. es geht kein Mail und sonstiges Internet mehr. - Beim Commonist wird nur eine Datei übertragen und nicht die volle Bandbreite ausgenützt. Beim Übertragen von 20 Bildern, die manchmal bis zu 2 Stunden oder mehr da Internet blockiert ist nicht akzeptabel. Aus diesem Grund bin ich zum Commonist zurückgekehrt. --K@rl (talk) 14:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Der UW ist auf maximale Uebertragungsgeschwindigkeit optimiert. Eventuell macht es Sinn, diese Funktion als Benutzerpraeferenz abschaltbar zu machen.--Eloquence (talk) 02:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

please do not use me as a guinea pig

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This wizard is obviously not ready for production. It is not happy with a tile that i try to give the pictyre that I am iploading, and then it stops. It refusesed the feedback I tried to give in what is ironically cold an easy form. Balko Kabo (talk) 00:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

upload wizard not working

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Unknown error: "unknown-warning" ??????

What have you done to upload wizard ?? Gisling (talk) 02:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate archive

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What should I do with such message : "Unknown warning: "duplicate-archive"", if there is no additional link to help. Really unuseful. Jdbontemps (talk) 09:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

This is a really annoying problem for me - I am trying to upload files after installing the Upload Wizard on my mediawiki site, since the previous files didn't have the ability to use licenses or copyright tags. I deleted the old photos, though they are still on the server since mediawiki archives old files.

When I try to upload the same files, with a new name, I get the error 'Unknown warning: "duplicate-archive"' at the very end of the process. How can I upload these files? Do I really have to go hunting for the old deleted files in my database and delete them manually? Thanks for any help.

écraser un fichier incorrect

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avant on pouvait écraser un fichier incorrecte s'il comportait une erreur (formule de chimie, extrait musical) ; apparemment, ce n'est plus possible ; ce n'est pas gênant, mais ça veut dire que des fichiers incorrects sont laissé sur wiki commons. Jflm (talk) 10:46, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

בעייה בהעתקת מידע

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כתבתי מידע בשפה העברית. אחר כך הוספתי מידע בשפה נוספת. בעת העתקה אוטומטית לשאר התמונות, לא הועתק שדה השפה ונשאר "עברית". Ovedc (talk) 05:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Pas de passage à la deuxième étape (droits accordés)

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Une fois sur cinq environ, le bouton "continuer" n'apparait pas à la fin des téléchargements, après le message "n fichiers sur n importés". Cela semble être aléatoire, sans lien avec la qualité de la connexion. Je recommence plus tard et tout fonctionne alors. Wuyouyuan (talk) 03:55, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Upload Wizard places {{Location}} before {{Information}} but it should be placed after.

See Template:Location/general documentation: “Placement on file description pages {{Location}} is generally placed just after {{Information}}.” And Template:Location dec/doc: “usage-notes Should be placed directly below {{Information}}, {{Artwork}} or other similar template.” Mcitsci (talk) 04:51, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, ticket filed, should be an easy fix, but low priority, might take a week or two. TheDJ (talk) 08:14, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Images not uploading

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Someone has deleted images of my artwork. The reason given was as I am still alive! I should have uploaded the images. I have tried a new upload, but wiki will not accept them. The notice failed stating, Unknown warning: "duplicate-archive"

How do I overcome this and upload the new images as copyright owner..

Many thanks, David Folley Painter42 (talk) 10:47, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Multi image uplaod fails

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More often than not, if I try to upload more than one image, after the second image has shown a green tick, the "continue" button fails to appear. Andy Mabbett (talk) 17:35, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Les dejo mi pensamiento :D

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Exelente el asistente de subida de archivos, lo confieso soy novata xd pero es entendible quise hacer las cosas bien y hacer un trabajo no perfecto pero casi cerca de serlo... me fue muy facil utilisar el asistente aunque me quejo del asunto de compartir los archivos a cualquier persona pero eso no importa aunque me hubiera gustado que mis fotografias no fueran distribuidas a cualquier individuo pero en fin ahi se las dejo para que las utilicen en lo que estimen conveniente...bendiciones :D Alicia Vera (talk) 17:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Adding coordinates

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It would be really useful to have a link in the upload form, to the tool for adding coordinates. I am using this one: http://tools.freeside.sk/geolocator/geolocator.html

( it would have to open in a new window though) Stu Phillips (talk) 09:49, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Assistant de téléversement

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Manque un bouton "fermer" car avec Chrome il y a systématiquement ouverture d'une boîte de dialogue demandant si l'on veut quitter la page ou pas ! BluesyPete (talk) 11:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Beschreibung in mehreren Sprachen kopieren

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Hallo. Ich nutze den Assistenten oft und gerne. Meist gebe ich nur eine deutsche Beschreibung. Jetzt ist mir aufgefallen, dass, wenn ich auch eine englische eingebe, und dann von der ersten Datei die Informationen auf alle kopiere, bei der zweiten und allen weiteren Dateien zwar ein deutsches und ein englisches Beschreibungsfeld da ist, beide jedoch mit 'deutsch' beschriftet sind. Grüße hellerhoff Hellerhoff (talk) 20:45, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

very very slow

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to upload photos Martink58 (talk) 13:03, 31 August 2012 (UTC)