Commons talk:SVG Translation Campaign 2019 in India

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SVGTranslate tool for the campaign

Hello. I'm a product manager working on creating a tool to allow for easy translation of SVG files on Commons. This project is nearing completion and will be available as a beta within a couple of weeks. You can read about the project here and see a demonstration of how it will work here. There are some bugs right now including one with some languages missing in the preview. Also we have not yet enabled upload to Commons but once complete, users will be able to upload their translations to Commons instantly. I'm confident that we will be able to fix most of the major problems before this campaign begins. This tool will greatly reduce the amount of time required to translate SVGs as the users will not need to install or understand how image editing softwares work in order to translate SVGs. Let me know if you are interested in giving this tool a try for the campaign. Thanks! -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 05:23, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Niharika, I think there is a goodly group of SVG trained Indic Wikimedians who would be quite keen to test the tool out. Thanks for the test URL - will pass it around. Shyamal L. (talk) 13:48, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@Shyamal: Please know that it's only a demo for now. File upload and download is disabled at the moment. We are aware of the majority of the bugs and they are being worked on at the moment. It will likely be a few weeks before the tool is fully available for use. If interested, you can follow the project progress here Thanks! -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 16:11, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@NKohli (WMF): Hi Niharika, thanks for the letting us know about this. This will definitely be useful for the campaign. Atleast, we can put it to test and report issues, if there are any. We will definitely use this tool, depending on its readiness atleast a couple of weeks before the campaign ends, i.e. 31 March 2019. As Shyamal mentioned, we've a group of Wikimedians with knowledge of SVGs, we'll try using this tool over the next few days, and get back to you. KCVelaga (talk · mail) 16:50, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@KCVelaga: Sounds good. I am putting together a guide for using this tool here - Commons:SVG Translate tool. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 01:41, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi NKohli (WMF), I tried translating a file yesterday, but unfortunately it didn't work out. The above link gave me this error Oops! An Error Occurred. The server returned a "500 Internal Server Error". Something is broken. Please let us know what you were doing when this error occurred. We will fix it as soon as possible. Sorry for any inconvenience caused. The homepage is working (https://tools.wmflabs.org/svgtranslate-test/), but when an input file name is given, and click "Translate" it gives the error. I tried this (https://tools.wmflabs.org/svgtranslate/) as well. When I clicked translate, it took me here https://tools.wmflabs.org/svgtranslate/File:Turbulence_in_Abdominal_Aorta_Aneurisma.svg. But the preview of the file was not displayed, and when I download the file, the original English (input) version is being downloaded. I am assuming these issues are due to on-boarding of the tool's actual version from the test version. Please let me know if there are any updates from your side. KCVelaga (talk · mail) 06:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

@KCVelaga: On the test instance, we are using the beta commons for testing purposes which is causing some of the problems you see. We are working on resolving these issues and I'll let you know as soon as the tool is usable again. Thanks. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 18:09, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@NKohli (WMF): Thanks for the update. KCVelaga (talk · mail) 18:21, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@KCVelaga: The file rendering images are now fixed. You should be able to test with files. File upload will be enabled shortly. Thank you. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 20:09, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

@NKohli (WMF): FYI, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215690. KCVelaga (talk · mail) 08:53, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

SVG - help Session Feb 2 2019 Chat text --

Chat

You8:28 PM I am on mute Vidyadhar Chipli8:29 PM hello. Tulsi Bhagat8:29 PM Good evening! Vidyadhar Chipli8:30 PM Good evening everybody hello nithin hegde Pavanaja Bellippady8:30 PM I suggest everyone other than the presenter to mute the mic. Unmute only when you want to talk. This will reduce background noise Vidyadhar Chipli8:31 PM ok. Krishna Chaitanya Velaga8:31 PM Yes, thanks @Pavanaja for the heads up Krishna Chaitanya Velaga8:34 PM We'll start in 2 min Tulsi Bhagat8:35 PM Okay. No problem. We can wait. You8:35 PM if anybody needs, .....https://meet.google.com/bpd-pjwg-vru Rajeeb Dutta8:38 PM Good evening everyone Manavpreet Kaur8:38 PM hello Ashay badikana8:39 PM Good evening suresh khole8:39 PM hello suresh here, I work on mrwiki Manavpreet Kaur8:39 PM hey siresh U were not audible HI suresh khole8:40 PM ya I thought so, Manavpreet Kaur8:40 PM Hi I amManav suresh khole8:40 PM anyways I will post here, Manavpreet Kaur8:40 PM From Punjab

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Rajeeb Dutta8:40 PM From Kolkata :) Manavpreet Kaur8:40 PM

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NEWS Krishna Chaitanya Velaga8:41 PM @Manav you are not audible Manavpreet Kaur8:41 PM OHOoo I'll type here Tulsi Bhagat8:42 PM yes Rajeeb Dutta8:42 PM Yes Rajeeb Dutta8:47 PM Krishna screen is off Tulsi Bhagat8:47 PM nope Manavpreet Kaur8:47 PM Its working You8:47 PM works Tulsi Bhagat8:55 PM https://inkscape.org/release/inkscape-0.92.4/ Tulsi Bhagat8:56 PM https://www.google.com/inputtools/ You8:59 PM Do I foresee issues with Fonts? For Kannada, .. Gubbi, kedige & etc, Pavanaja Bellippady9:00 PM @Mallikarjun - possible. If the font is perfect, Unicode OTF, no issues Pavanaja Bellippady9:01 PM @Mallikarjuna - Sampige, Mallige, Kedige have bugs. Don't use them You9:10 PM Awesome Vidyadhar Chipli9:12 PM how to decide font size? jinOy tOm jacOb9:13 PM SVG Fonts https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/SVG_fonts Rajeeb Dutta9:15 PM Do Chrome laptop works for Inkscape software? Pavanaja Bellippady9:15 PM @Rajeeb No jinOy tOm jacOb9:18 PM @Rajeeb i have posted in the resources section about how to install inkscape in chromebook For those who want to test by uploading to commons  :) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Test.svg Tulsi Bhagat9:29 PM oops suresh khole9:29 PM and what was that option using user script to edit and embed the translations in the existing files only? Tulsi Bhagat9:29 PM my version bad Vidyadhar Chipli9:42 PM What type of font to be used in kannada and how to decide font size? sumita roy9:43 PM https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/MediaWiki_SVG_font_list.svg You9:44 PM kannada by google is baloo thamma jinOy tOm jacOb9:44 PM I think Lohit fonts are available for every lang Krishna Chaitanya Velaga9:49 PM https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_diagrams_in_English Vidyadhar Chipli9:53 PM Thanks. Good night. Janak Bhatta9:53 PM Thanks you Krishna. jinOy tOm jacOb9:53 PM Thankyou Krishna Nithin Hegde9:53 PM thaks a lot — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mallikarjunasj (talk • contribs) 16:24, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

SVG-Translate tool demonstration

Hello. From my previous post, you may know that the SVG-Translate tool will be ready for use before the campaign starts. I will like to hold a Hangout meeting session to show the tool to the campaign organizers and anyone else who's interested. I'd like to do this sometime this week or next weekend. If you are interested in attending this session, please comment below with your preferred time for attending. I will try to schedule it at a time that works for everyone. Thank you. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 19:38, 11 February 2019 (UTC) Ping KCVelaga, Shyamal, Jinoytommanjaly. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 21:35, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Niharika. I am fine with most India daytime. Will wait for others to decide. Shyamal L. (talk) 02:38, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@NKohli (WMF): Thanks for suggesting this. It'll be helpful. I am also fine with India daytime times with exceptions to the following: 2:00 pm to 3:00 pm UTC on Thursday, 1:00 am to 12:00 pm UTC on Friday, and after 2:15 pm UTC on Saturday and Sunday. Any other times apart from these will work for me. If it is on a weekend it will be even better as we can get more organisers. KCVelaga (talk · mail) 05:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Fine with this week anytime expect this Saturday evening (IST). As krishna told weekend is better so that more organisers can attend the section.--Jinoytommanjaly (talk) 06:40, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@KCVelaga, Shyamal, and Jinoytommanjaly: Does 9am IST Saturday, 16 February work for all of you? I can also push it to 10am, if that is preferred. Please also ping other people who might be interested in attending this meeting. Thank you. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 18:42, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

@NKohli (WMF): It works for me. I'll also inform other who might be interested. Thanks, KCVelaga (talk · mail) 05:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@NKohli (WMF): works for me too. Shyamal L. (talk) 10:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@NKohli (WMF): Ok with this.-Jinoytommanjaly (talk) 14:20, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@KCVelaga, Shyamal, and Jinoytommanjaly: Thank you all! This is the link for the meeting - https://meet.google.com/upu-qkka-dqw. I'll see you all on Saturday, 9 am. Please don't forget to invite other organizers. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 20:47, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Sat 0900 IST(=UTC+5:30)→Sat 0330Z. San Francisco is PST(=UTC-8)→Fri 1930 PST. Glrx (talk) 21:26, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Query

@NKohli (WMF): - why does this not work - File:BirdBeaksA.svg even though the script identifies it as being translateable... Shyamal L. (talk) 04:02, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. I'm not sure why this doesn't work. The file seems fine to me. I will add that as a bug. Thanks Shyamal. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 04:06, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

When I tried

https://tools.wmflabs.org/svgtranslate/File:BirdBeaksA.svg

The tool did not show any strings to translate.

The tool is confused by this text element with a tspan inside a tspan:

  <text
     x="16.151398"
     y="1393.5846"
     id="text2480"
     xml:space="preserve"><tspan
       x="16.151398"
       y="1393.5846"
       id="tspan2482"><tspan
         x="16.151398"
         y="1393.5846"
         id="tspan2484">Not to scale</tspan></tspan></text>

After reducing it to just a text element, the tool displays the strings to translate. Glrx (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that Glrx! Shyamal Is there a reason for the nested tspans with same attributes? -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 00:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@NKohli (WMF): this was added by Inkscape, perhaps older versions worked differently. I wish there was a svg optimise option built into Inkscape. Shyamal L. (talk) 02:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Please extend Hindi list

Please extend Hindi list -- Sukeerti Dwivedi (talk) 17:13, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Can the deadline be extended ?

Can the deadline be extended ? It would be helpful to complete the pending images & submit. Thanks in advance. Veena.manikprabhu (talk) 08:43, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

@Veena.manikprabhu: Unfortunatley no. You can always upload those images to WCommons, but they will not be a part of this campaign. KCVelaga (talk · mail) 08:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)