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Ruthenian Uniate Church

It is not one of the 23 particular churches. It is a former church. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Это бывшая восточно католическая церковь (точнее - грекокатолическая). Поэтому категоризирована под знак "-". Online translation: This is the former Eastern Catholic Church (more precisely, the Greek Catholic Church). Therefore, it is categorized under the "-" sign. Ыфь77 (talk) 10:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

My query relates to your decision to add it to Category:Eastern Catholic particular churches. This category is for the current 23 members. It is not designed to hold former members.

Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Если быть занудой, то 1) "Ruthenian United Church" отличается от остальных 23 церквей из этой категорий исключительно тем, что не дожила до 1990 года (но её "наследницы" составляют до 6/23 в этой категории); 2) при категоризации множества в категорию включают все бывшие и будущие элементы этого множества. Но я не слишком зануда, поэтому перенёс проблемную категорию на ранг выше. Online translation: To be bore, 1) "Ruthenian United Church" differs from the other 23 churches from this category solely in that it did not live up to 1990 (but its "heirs" make up to 6/23 in this category); 2) when categorizing in the set, all former and the future elements of this set. But I'm not too bore, so I moved the problematic category up a notch. Ыфь77 (talk) 13:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:10, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Eastern Orthodox churches in South Africa

Your explanation for the category move was "a short version without loss of meaning". I disagree. There is a loss of information involved. The original name made it clear that the subject of the category was "church buildings" i.e. bricks-and-mortar. The new name is ambiguous; it could be taken to mean institutions or denominations. How is a reader to know that it does not mean the presence in South Africa of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church or the Russian Orthodox Church or the Greek Orthodox Church? Clarity has become a victim to brevity. What's a few bytes between friends? Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:07, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Насколько я знаю английский язык, в нём есть однозначное разделение между зданием и организацией: церковь (с маленькой буквы) - здание, Церковь (с большой буквы) - организация. Поэтому "песня с припевом", которую делаете Вы, не нужна. Online translation: As far as I know English, there is an unambiguous division between a building and an organization: church (with a small letter) is a building, Church (with a capital letter) is an organization. Therefore, the "song with a chorus" that you are doing is not needed. Ыфь77 (talk) 13:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Обычно рядом есть инфобокс, который объяснит, что именно объединяет категория. Online translation: There is usually an infobox nearby that will explain exactly what the category unites. --Ыфь77 (talk) 13:17, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

That argument fails when "church" is the first word of the category name. See, for example, Category:Churches in South Africa by denomination. Is it bricks or institutions? Who can tell? Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Я не в встречал на Викискладе случая, когда "churches" (во множественном числе) используется для обозначения организаций, а не зданий. Вы приведёте пример? Насколько я знаю, сложился неписаный консенсус, что под "churches" при категоризации понимаются здания. Online translation: I have not seen a case on Wikimedia Commons where "churches" (plural) It is used to refer to organizations, not buildings. Can you give an example? As far as I know, there is an unwritten consensus that "churches" in categorization refers to buildings. Ыфь77 (talk) 12:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Your recent edits on Category:Old Catholic churches in Switzerland are just wrong. They make it appear that Old Catholics are just another denomination like any other Protestant Church in Switzerland. Old Catholics regard themselves as Catholic. For that reason they should have "Catholic churches in Switzerland" as their parent category. They are not, however, in Communion with the Holy See; for that reason they must be differentiated from "Church buildings of the Catholic Church in Switzerland". Please discuss any further changes like these before doing anything. Or start a full discussion if you prefer. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Catholicism = Catholic Сhurch + Old Catholic Сhurch. Ыфь77 (talk) 12:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:African initiated churches is an example of a category that groups church institutions as opposed to bricks-and-mortar buildings while using lower case "c" instead of upper case "C". This is why the institutions need to be unambiguously distinguished from bricks-and-mortar buildings. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:24, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Greek Orthodox churches in Tunisia

please stop doing further churches/Churches changes until we arrive at a consensus here. It's just rude. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Вы делали правки на Викискладе, но мне не отвечали. Я решил, что мои аргументы Вас убедили. Online translation: You made edits on Wikimedia Commons, but you didn't reply to me. I thought my arguments had convinced you. Ыфь77 (talk) 12:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@Laurel Lodged: Я вижу, что вы специально затягиваете диалог. Online translation: I see that you are deliberately dragging out the dialogue. Ыфь77 (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

please stop doing further churches/Churches changes until we arrive at a consensus here. It's just rude. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Невежливо незаметно продолжать создавать "свои" категории, противоречащие устоявшемуся консенсусу. Online translation: It is impolite to imperceptibly continue to create "your own" categories that contradict the established consensus. Ыфь77 (talk) 11:59, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

COM:AN/U report

I have opened a discussion of your conduct at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Reopening because User:Ыфь77 continues to edit in this area without consensus. Please reply there, not here. - Jmabel ! talk 15:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Please stop with the renaming of Eastern Catholic categories.

Or I will lodge a complaint with ANO. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

В-первых это было единичное переименование; во-вторых, насколько я знаю, в Венгрии восточнокатолических епархий не византийского обряда нет; в-третьих можно сделать категорию-матрешку, в-четвёртых, прежде чем угрожать судом (что, кстати, запрещено правилами), можно было просто спросить. Online translation: firstly, it was a single renaming; secondly, as far as I know, there are no Eastern Catholic dioceses of the non-Byzantine rite in Hungary; thirdly, you can make a matryoshka doll category, and fourthly, before threatening to sue (which, by the way, is prohibited by the rules), you could just ask. Ыфь77 (talk) 16:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)