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File:ItaloBohemia.jpg edit

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     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 22:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

I have these magazines a lot of time ago, magazines that don't even exist anymore in Venezuela. Indeed, I have the hardcopies from these editions.

File:ItaloZeta.jpg edit

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     Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 22:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

I have these magazines a lot of time ago, magazines that don't even exist anymore in Venezuela. Indeed, I have the hardcopies from this editions.

¿Su misma obra? edit

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Favor de desculpir me español de extranjero. Vd. indica que todos los imágenes que ha puesto aquí en Commons son su misma obra, pero no paracen ser la obra de una sola persona. ¿Puede Vd. clarificar la situación, y pronto? Si Vd. no puede en 24 horas o menos, yo necesitaré recomendar que todos sus imágenes se borrarán. - Jmabel ! talk 00:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Jmabel, sorry that I didn't see all of these messages before, but actually all of these pictures are mine, and there's no proof of the opposite. Sorry for delaying, but I didn't realize that I had my own talk user with claimings. I've been replying in other talk pages as well. Now today I found that the user Jameslwoodward blocked my account because I asked him to publish my gallery again and since he didn't answer I decided to upload the files, thinking that he expected that from me.

Would you explain me why there are doubts about the copyright of these pictures?

Thank you for answering,

File:ItaloCover2.jpg edit

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 ■ MMXX  talk 14:34, 9 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

I have these magazines a lot of time ago, magazines that don't even exist anymore in Venezuela. Indeed, I have the hardcopies from this editions.

Notification about possible deletion edit

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Since you did not respond to my previous question about your images, I'm afraid I've had to nominate the bulk of them for deletion. Yours sincerely Jmabel ! talk 16:02, 9 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

I didn't see these messages before, and I want you to understand that these files are mine. The people that are thinking that the pictures are not mine, don't have any adverse proof of my statement, because these pictures are mine.

File:SaqueosCaracazo2.jpg edit

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Denniss (talk) 22:01, 9 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Bringing the matter to admin noticeboard edit

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Despite repeated warnings, and despite such uncontested mass deletions as the one resulting from Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Caracazo1989, you continue to upload files that are almost certainly not yours and claim them as your own work (File:ItaloCondItalia2.jpg, File:ItaloCondItalia.jpg). This casts strong doubts even on images that I would otherwise presume were legitimate. I am taking the matter to Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. - Jmabel ! talk 00:48, 18 November 2011 (UTC)Reply


All of these are mine, specifically ItaloCondItalia.jpg and ItaloCondItalia2.jpg are oldies but still are mine. What's your support to supose that are not of my own? Woudl you explain to me that?

I reallye hope somebody answer,

Regarding the djvu files, I was asked for the very person that wrote these speeches to upload the files. Do you need a picture with a sign of the person and the inscription: "I approve those uploads", or something like that? I have the speeches and the mind behind them asking me to publish, so there's no place for "if they were the user's own work, it would be very unlikely that they fell within scope, because as personal work they would be misleading." These are speeches from over 20 years ago, and the person asked me to publish these works, since his works wouldn't be misleading. That's the reason of why other spanish users didn't have any observations about that. And nevertheless the files were erased.

Now, how can I upload these speeches again??

I'm waiting for an answer, thanks,

Blocked edit

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Based on your uploads today, I have blocked you from editing on Commons for one week. Please take that time to consider whether you want to be a useful contributor to Commons or if you want to just continue uploading large numbers of copyright violations.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 21:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Jameslwoodward:

Let me know why you're blocking my account with no reason. "Uploading unfree files after warnings" ??? You never gave me any warning about unfree files. Besides, those files are my property, my licensing. Do you have any proof that these pictures are not mine? No, you don't have them, because I'm telling the truth.

As I remember you deleted the gallery because of a redirect matter:

  • 14:28, 19 November 2011 Jameslwoodward (talk | contribs) deleted "Italo del Valle Alliegro" ‎ (Page dependent on deleted or non-existent content: content was: "#REDIRECT Italo Alliegro" (and the only contributor was "Caracazo1989"))

So your allegation is untruth. I asked you to move to the proper name under commons, and since you didn't answer I decided to do the upload again:

I want to recover all of the deleted pictures under "Italo del Valle Alliegro", would you mind to help to move those pictures there?

Now, I never did copyvios. Let me know how I did it if you keep arguing that, I just wanted to have the gallery as it was.

It's unfair for you to keeping acting and judging me about "if you want to just continue uploading large numbers of copyright violations". That's a lie and you can't keep writing that. You don't have a single proof.

Waiting for an answer, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caracazo1989 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 19 November 2011‎ (UTC)Reply

Your strong words above, such as "lie", are a violation of Commons rules. You have absolutely no evidence to support your saying that I or any of my colleagues have deliberately said something that we knew was untrue -- please remember that there is a large difference between "mistake" and "lie".
I will give you two examples. The rest of your images are similar.
  • File:ItaloZapata43.png -- the file description gives the author and source as Pedro Leon Zapata. There is absolutely no evidence that you have any permission from Zapata to license his image as CC. Therefore it is a copyright violation and must be deleted from Commons on sight. No warning is needed under our rules.
  • File:ItaloPortrait3.jpg is a scan from a newspaper or other offset printing process. You claim "own work". That claim is incorrect and the image is another copyright violation.
  • and so forth.
When your block expires you may continue to edit on Commons, but any further uploads of copyright violations will bring longer blocks. While we try to be helpful to new editors, we have little time for people who make false accusations and repeatedly break the rules.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 13:54, 20 November 2011 (UTC)Reply


See Jameslwoodward, I consider that you're using strong words too, when you're acussing me with no support of uploading unfree files.

ItaloZapata43.png is a gift from Pedro Leon Zapata, as you can see in the bottom of the image, is an image with a dedication in spanish. However, I decided to mention him because was his drawing, but now I see that I had to mark it as mine, since Italo alliegro gave me the drawing exclusively to share it in Commons, it is HIS gift, HIS private property. Do you need the translation of that dedication? Let me know, please.

Portrait3.png is a personal picture from Italo Alliegro, it is scanned from a magazine, but he gave that picture more than 20 years ago because that magazine did an interview and asked for a picture, then he borrowed it for that interview. It was scanned because he lost the original one. But he paid for that picture, then he is the owner from that picture.

The two cases that you exposed here are showing that you're assumnig something that is not true, in other words a lie. I'm sorry if this a strong word for you, but why you didn't ask kindly before? You just erased the whole gallery rudely. What about the pictures from childhood (italonino.jpg), youth (italocadete.jpg), degree (italogeografo.jpg), travels (italoegipto.jpg; italogrecia.jpg; italocorea.jpg; italochina.jpg; italochina2.jpg). All of the pictures mentioned and all of the orher pictures were paid and are from private personal collections, decided to share them and you delete all of them.

If I have to upload more pictures are going to be the same pictures, because Those pictures are free and we need them under the Italo Alliegro article. That's our contribution to Wikipedia. So, what can I do? You are tying me to do nothing since these are my very first contributions, don't you? Do you need an explanation letter from the personal Italo Alliegro's email explaining each picture and the video (videocaracazo.ogg) that you deleted as well? Specifically that video is mine, I uploaded some time ago to youtube and you deleted it too. What about the djvu files? Why did you delete them? Those are public speeches registered in printed notebooks, from which we have entire ownership and you deleted them too!! Why?? isn't that unfair?

Let me know what will solve this problem, we want to upload the same pictures that we choosed from a large collection of personal pictures, because we strongly believe that you're acting unfairly.

Thanks for answering, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.121.238.141 (talk • contribs) 15:06, 20 November 2011‎ (UTC)Reply

According to the facts you have given, both images are copyright violations. Ownership of a photograph, drawing, cartoon, or magazine does not make you the owner of the copyright. Transfer of a copyright requires a separate legal document -- if you had a formal transfer, I am sure that you would have mentioned it, so I am quite certain you do not.
In the first case, we will need permission from the cartoonist or his heirs.
In the second case, we will need permission from both the photographer and from the magazine from which it was copied, as both have a copyright interest in it.
Copyright is not always an easy subject, but unless you actually created the work yourself -- that is, you actually took the photograph or drew the drawing -- then we will almost always require written permission from the person who is the actual creator.
Please see Commons:OTRS for the way that the various people can supply that permission.
Finally, I have blocked the IP address which you used for the message above. You may make edits here on your talk page while logged in as User:Caracazo1989. Any other editing by you on Commons while you are blocked is a violation of our rules.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 15:22, 20 November 2011

The picture portrait3.jpg doesn't belong to a magazine, nor a photographer. Alliegro gave as a borrow to the magazine. It was from Alliegro to the magazine, not backwards.

You didn't mention about: - italonino.jpg: A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italocadete.jpg: A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italogeografo.jpg. A Family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italoegipto.jpg A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italogrecia.jpg A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italocorea.jpg A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italochina.jpg A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italochina2.jpg A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italogalarraga.jpg A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italopapa.jpg A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - italocalderaclinton.jpg A family collection picture. Paid for that picture. - Videocaracazo.ogg it's my own movie and it was deleted.

Just to mention some of the around 42 pictures that I uploaded. All of the pictures mentioned and all of the orher pictures were paid and are from private personal collections, decided to share them and you delete all of them.

Do you need a formal letter from Italo Alliegro's email? You didn't answer to that question.

How will be aceptable to Commons to understad and believe that there are pictures like italogalarraga.jpg, italopapa.jpg, italocalderaclinton.jpg taken for the direct family? There is the consentiment from Italo Alliegro to share those pictures.

What about others directly taken from me, like italoOrdenlibertador.jpg, italogeneraldivision.jpg, italogeneralbrigada.jpg, italocondecoracionfrancia.jpg, italoitalia.jpg, italoconditalia.jpg, italoportrait1.jpg and others that I can specify? What about the videothat you deleted? That video is mine and you didn't answer about it.

What about the djvu files, speeches free to share from Italo Alliegro? I understand about copyright too, and you won't fid these pictures on the internet, because arr personal and free, appropiate each one of them for an Italo's biography, like in Wikipedia.

I ask you again, do you need a formal letter from Italo Alliegro email to solve the problem?

  • For the images, etc by Italo Alliegro, a consent letter as described at COM:OTRS would let us use these. He presumably holds copyright.
  • Some of what you write above is literally incomprehensible. "consentiment" is not an English word at all. Perhaps "consent", perhaps "consignment", perhaps something else I'm not thinking of...
  • Again, the fact that you paid for a picture does not give you any intellectual property rights in that picture, unless there was an explicit, written transfer of rights. If I buy an oil painting - something of which there is no other copy! - I still can't legally publish a photo of that painting, nor can I grant anyone else a right to use an image of it. The artist retains all the intellectual property rights.
  • The fact remains that you made several obviously false claims that certain photos were your "own work". That casts doubt on any claim you make about other photos being your own work. If you misrepresent the facts in one place, why should anyone believe you anywhere else?

- Jmabel ! talk 19:10, 20 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

  • Beginning tomorrow, monday, I will contact to Italo Alliegro in order for him to send you guys the consent letter. I will ask him to send you that letter as soon as possible for him.
  • The correct word was "consent". sorry if I mixed the word "consentimiento" from spanish. So the idea is that Italo Alliegro gave his consent to use those pictures, all of them, and he will send you the a letter to permissions-commonswikimedia.org as COM:OTRS explanation, since he wishes to share all of these pictures with the people that want to know him through Wikipedia. His pictures and speeches are part of his own history, as you might suppose. And sorry if there is another error in my english writing, I'm doing my best, hopefully you'll understand me.
  • When I did the affirmation about "Pictures paid" I was trying to set a point. If you get your degree and you're in your graduation ceremony, once you pay to the photographer for your own picture you're taking rights on your pictures. Or if you have a personal photographer, he is giving you rights on your pictures under contracts or agreements, as you might understand, Alliegro had several personal photographers in the past. One of them, me. For that reason I could specify you guys which pictures I took, however I consider that Alliegro is the main owner from that pictures, all of them. And As I explained you before, the video that I uploaded is my own, and I gave the video to Alliegro several years ago, like 15 years ago, and nobody explained yet why the video was deleted. There are several pictures taken by me as I explained above, and no one explained yet why those were deleted as well.
  • When I claimed about "own work", I'm including my pictures, my videos, the djvu files as the main person's wish in this case asked me to do, his consent and his approval. If I wouldn't have his permission, take for sure that I wouldn't be uploading files and videos in an insistent way. I did the statement, however, with Zapata cartoon for example, and other cases as you could check. You could keep thinking that I gave false facts or that I tried to fool you, but gentlemen, that's an assumption, you can't prove that I'm misrepresenting what the pictures are, none of them are from a third party or keep copyright from magazines that I'm stealing.

However all of the above, I send you my apologies, because I could understand that you find everyday that kind of people that try to tell you lies about media files, is not and never will be my case, since all of these material uploaded by me is the only property of myself and Allsiegro's.

He will contact you via email, and I'll try to let you know in this page when he could confirm to me that the email was sent.

If you have any other inquiry or comments Regards,

What we will need is set forth above. A letter from Italo Alliegro will not be helpful because he does not own the copyright -- the photographer owns the original copyright and the magazine from which you copied it owns a derivative work copyright in the version that you tried to upload here.
It might be best if, after your block expires, you post an undeletion request for each case at Commons:Undeletion requests -- because they are separate images and because you have made differing claims about them, I think the requests should be separate -- one for each file.
I suggest that you calm down, stop using strong language, and explain each situation there, one at a time. You are a brand new contributor to Commons and apparently do not understand copyright. That is not surprising -- it is a very complicated subject and is different in each country. The various Commons editors who have interacted with you all have considerable experience here -- more than 100,000 actions between us. While we try very hard to be patient and helpful to new users, you have made that difficult.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 23:03, 20 November 2011 (UTC)Reply


I feel that Jameslwoodward is giving me a hard time I don't understand why, it seems that this matter is turning to a personal issue and that's not my interest. I didn't take anything from a magazine and this guy insist in that, I don't get the reason. However, he doesn't respond about my pictures and video, my whole gallery that he deleted for no reason. It seems that it's more important to stay where we begun. And personal pictures and family collections now are copyrighted for him (?).

I'm calm since the beginning. I suggest, to solve the problem, to be contacted for persons like Jmabel Jmabel, who seems really interested in giving solutions, and doesn't keep judging and pointing who's right or wrong, or using expressions like "stop using strong language" or "You are a brand new contributor to Commons and apparently do not understand copyright".

I don't get your point dude.

I'm only interested in giving contributions of my own and Alliegro's own. I'm not a criminal, I'm not Jack The Ripper, and if I did several steps wrong I think that could be fixed (it's not the end of the world) with the same pictures that are not copyrighted by third parties as the guy keep and keep arguing, and I hope that your negative point of view don't disturb the process about to come, which is, to upload the pictures again in a proper way for Commons. I'm not looking forward to see who is a winner here, I just would like to see the Wikipedia Article as it was to help Italo Alliegro to tell his history to others, because he is part of the contemporary history of Venezuela.

However, if you wish a winner, then it's you. I don't want to keep in this discussion with you. It's really exhausting.

Peace my friend, - unsigned

I don't think anyone here is hostile to an article about Italo Alliegro. But I do agree with Jameslwoodward that you don't seem to understand much about copyright. For what it's worth, if you pay a photographer to take your photo, typically the photographer retains the copyright: the only exceptions I can think of would be if (1) there was a written statement reassigning the rights or (2) the person who snapped the photo was not the "moral author" of the the work. The later might happen, for example, if the subject of the photo chose the pose, set the aperture, told the photographer where to stand, and all the photographer really did was snap the shutter. There is a notion of "work for hire," but as I understand it that involves a contract under which intellectual property rights are assigned as part of employment, not just the fact that you are paying someone to take pictures.
So, when the block expires, and you want to move forward on this, I'd really suggest that step one is to sort out for each of the works involved who actually holds the copyright. Then, for those where you are in touch with the copyright holder, you can pursue the COM:OTRS process.
Two further remarks: (1) this whole discussion would certainly have been friendlier if you had responded to the original warnings and worked with us promptly to sort out the status of individual images. When you ignored the warnings and even uploaded more images with equally dubious indication of authorship, sources, and rights, the general impression we got was that you were either seriously ignorant about, or contemptuous of, rights issues. (2) Yes, it is unfortunate that often there are images we'd like to use, but we can't sort out the rights and make them available. Talk to pretty much anyone who has ever published a book with illustrations, and you'll almost always find they had at least one such image they'd have wanted and couldn't get. That's just the way it is. - Jmabel ! talk 05:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC)Reply

Hi Jmabel, I think you're right in right in your remark "(1) this whole discussion would certainly have been friendlier if..." As I wrote you before under your question "¿Su misma obra?" (when you tried to write me in spanish), sadly I didn't see all of the messages before because I didn't realize that I had my own talk page filled of messages until the moment that I was blocked. I just kept posting messages in other talk pages as you might see, and uploading files but if I was aware of the messages in my talk page, certainly the story would be different. I estimate that it's not a matter about understanding copyright or not, but about not being familiar with Commons pages and user talk page. That's my mistake and I assuming it by being blocked. I send my apologies for that one more time.

I hope that this whole issue could be solve soon by pursue the COM:OTRS process.

Jmabel I'll be aware of your comments,

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