Laszlovszky András

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Hello Mr. Laszlovszky ! About [1], if really "Vlachs don't exist before 13-th century", explain us their origins, please. Vladimir Jirinovsky said that they are bastards from Roma people melting with Genoese merchants. I suppose you have another explanation ? Thank you, --Julieta39 (talk) 14:52, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello @Julieta39: Even if Jirinovsky was right, you still can't find any source before the 13th century that says a word about Vlachs. So Vlach cannot be marked on a historical map, only because of an uncertain theory. But it's impossible to imagine that Vlachs remained at exactly the same place during the Migration Period. Laszlovszky András (talk) 17:52, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Laszlovszky, listen please : I'm not a supporter of one or other one uncertain theories, but about the sources before the 13th c. this isn't right: the first sources appears during the 9th. in greek (byzantine sources) ; otherwise, linguistic, toponymic & archaeological facts prove the nomadic transhumance of the east-romance speaking shepherds on the both banks of the low-Danube since a long period before the 13th c. So Vlachs cannot be omitted on a historical map only because of another uncertain theory, but mostly because the disparition of a linguistic group and it's recurrence after ten centuries of nothingness is impossible. Good wishes, --Julieta39 (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Then give me that source which tells about Vlachs. But this map shows things from the 6th century to the 9th century. So even if there is a mention of Vlachs from the 9th century, it's still out of context. Laszlovszky András (talk) 07:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Well, we have some early sources, beginning by Theophylact Simocatta and Theophanes the Confessor about periods before the 9th century, continuing by George Kedrenos and finishing by Anna Komnene, John Kinnamos and Kekaumenos (see Victor Spinei, The Romanians and the Turkic Nomads North of the Danube Delta from the Tenth to the Mid-Thirteenth Century, Brill, 2009, p. 106-132, ISBN 9789047428800 & 9789004175365; G. Popa-Lisseanu, Sources of the history of East-romance people IV-th issue, Bucharest 1935, p. 32; A. Decei, V. Ciocîltan, Al-Maqdisi about Vlachs in “Romano-arabica” vol. I, Bucharest 1974, pp. 49–54; M. Manea, A. Pascu, B. Teodorescu, History of east-romance people from the origins until the 1821 revolution, Ed. Didactica & Pedagogica, Bucharest 1997; Gheorghe I. Brătianu, The Black Sea since the ancient times until the ottoman conquest, Polirom, Jassy 1999, pp. 182-193; G. Murnu, When & where the east-romance speaking people do appear in history ? in „Convorbiri Literare” vol XXX, pp. 97-112; Mircea Muşat, Ion Ardeleanu From ancient Dacia to modern Romania, p. 114 and also [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]), but this is a matter of scholarly speculation: you can said (& must prove) than “Vlachs exist only on the right (south) bank of the Danube until the 13-th century”, but it's a foolish absurdity to said “they don't exist until the 13-th century”. If they “don't exist” between the end of the Roman domination in the Balkan & low-Danube area, and the 13-th century, where people speaking east-romance languages lived during this ten centuries? under ground? in the sky? on the moon? In the facts, by logical evidence, it's absolutely impossible to consider (and to show on the maps) the disparition of a linguistic group and it's recurrence after ten centuries of inexistence (many sources affirm the existence of the Loch Ness monster, and the inexistence of Auschwitz camp and of the Gulag: this does not mean that we must slavishly follow their points of view). This is not a nationalist hungarian-romanian controversy but a logical thinking question. Have a nice day, --Julieta39 (talk) 15:13, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

This is a question of logic, yes, but not of nationalist Romanian "historians" that you have brought here. All of them are Romanians. Otherwise, I didn't say that Vlachs didn't exist before the 13th century - I only said that they weren't THERE. Those Byzantian historians you mentioned don't always mention where did Vlachs live. But those who wrote, wrote that they lived in Illyria and Albania. For example, Theophylact Simocatta wrote that they lived in the Pindus and Thessaly. So it's nonsense to write the name of the Vlachs there. Laszlovszky András (talk) 15:50, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Hello! I would like to make a map of the Khazaria in Russian. Can you send me this card in swg format? --Максим Кузахметов (talk) 19:46, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Максим Кузахметов: I didn't take this picture. Maybe @Julieta39: can help you. Laszlovszky András (talk) 20:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! --Максим Кузахметов (talk) 21:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)