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Source: http://www.vaticanhistory.de/pm/html/bonifatius_viii_.html I only uploaded it from thisfile, medieval picture, because author died more as 100 years ago

File:Visegrad Drina Bridge 1.jpg

What were you doing there? And why? Hands off my images! -- j.budissin+/- 08:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

It was probably Stebunik's mistake, I've restored an original version of the file. MZaplotnik (edits) 14:45, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. -- j.budissin+/- 20:28, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Excuse me, I would only help and I gave better license: not PD-old, but PD-100, because author of bridge died more as 100 years ago. That picture I found on internet and I did not know, that it exists on Wikipedia aleready, so I uploaded it with one other name and later I saw, that it is already on Wikipedia and that you are author of that picture. Bridge is older as 300 years and we can use license, that author died more as 100 years ago: not you, but builder of bridge. I think, that it was not wrong thing. Many luck with Wikipedia, and do not be angry!--Stebunik (talk) 21:36, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear Stebunik, brige is in public domain, but the photo itself is not. License information is about the photo not the object in the photo. All regular photos have licenses like this, only scans and other faithful reproductions are exceptions. Best regards, MZaplotnik (edits) 23:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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Eleassar (t/p) 08:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I photographed --Stebunik (talk) 21:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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This is my own photo. I do not understand why is deleted.--Stebunik (talk) 21:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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My own photo. Do not delete! --Stebunik (talk) 21:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Kelly (talk) 23:37, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Magyar kurir meni, da so stvari, ki jih objavlja, v javni lasti. Tako morda tudi slike.--Stebunik (talk) 19:58, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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Eleassar (t/p) 14:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Naj ostane

Ne vem, kaj je narobe s sliko, ki sem jo posnel, z dovoljenjem in odobrenjem nadškofa Hočevarja. Če so obenem gori slike tudi drugih škofov, to ne moti avtorskih pravic, saj so majhne v primeri s celo sliko oziroma fotografijo. Naj ostane.--Stebunik (talk) 19:56, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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Enzian44 (talk) 14:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Naj ostane. Če ta okrožnica morda ni iz 14. stoletja, pa je po virih to njen prepis vsaj iz 16. ali 17. stoletja in zato ni razloga, da bi se brisala. Morda so pa napačni podatki, da izvirnik ne obstaja - slika govori naprotno.--Stebunik (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Okrožnica je že dovolj stara, vendar je fotografija te okrožnice kreativna (ni golo skeniranje), zato ima sama po sebi avtorsko zaščito. Ta koncept je treba razumeti in upoštevati pri objavljanju tujih del. — Yerpo Eh? 04:33, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Tamkaj piše, da je in public domain. Morda je to v prid objavi.--Stebunik (talk) 21:37, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

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Takeaway (talk) 18:45, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

If I write to author of file File:Pope-Clement VIII-coffee.jpg Sam Guzman, I am sure, he that he give his permission for this nice adapted file. I have not his e-mail. Let you help and ask him for permission, than you!--Stebunik (talk) 19:12, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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What does the image say? Evrik (talk) 19:04, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

"Pravda za Uroša Mišića" ("Justice for Uroš Mišić"). — Yerpo Eh? 07:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

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Croatian law allovws

This is what I scanned of originally tipped speech. It could not be possible to stamp it either during NDH either during comunistic SFR Jugoslavia, nor now in Serbia or in BiH. I do not know, if exist more examples of this speech that I scanned. The original is in public domain as here it stays. Author is Aloysius Stepinac or Archdiocese of Zagreb, I only scanned it:

Hrvatski Zakon o autorskom pravu dopušta reprodukciju "javnih političkih, vjerskih i drugih govora održanih u tijelima državne ili lokalne vlasti, vjerskim ustanovama ili prilikom državnih ili vjerskih svečanosti te izvadaka iz javnih predavanja" (v. čl. 89[1]. Where is a problem? If necessary, I will ask copyright from Archdiocese of Zagreb and I will it receive. Brisanje je bila pom mišljenju saradnika GregorB pogreška (Cleaning was by sentention of User GregorB a mistake, let you see below: --Stebunik (talk) 20:29, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Htio bih skrenuti pažnju na dvije pogreške:
  1. Brisanje je bilo pogreška, jer hrvatski Zakon o autorskom pravu dopušta reprodukciju "javnih političkih, vjerskih i drugih govora održanih u tijelima državne ili lokalne vlasti, vjerskim ustanovama ili prilikom državnih ili vjerskih svečanosti te izvadaka iz javnih predavanja" (v. čl. 89[2])
  2. Istek autorskih prava nastupa 70 godina od smrti autora, a ne 70 godina od objave. S obzirom na prethodnu točku, ovo nije bitno; govor se može iskoristiti u skladu sa zakonom. GregorB (razgovor) 17:57, 22. ožujka 2014. (CET)

Мržnja na Stepinca?

Nerazumljivo zašto su opet brisali ovaj govor na tri stranice, koji sam skenirao iz originala. Prema gornjim članima takve su publikacije in public domain. Izgleda da se ne radi o public ali ne public, nego o mržnji na Stepinca, od koje su i danas nekoji opsjednuti. Blaženi Stepinac, načini čudo i obrati te svoje mrzitelje! To će biti nepobitno čudo za kanonizaciju, također za skeptike.--Stebunik (talk) 21:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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I do not understand, what is wrong. My brother Blaž Jelen wrote to me e-mail, that all his photos, which sent to me with e-mail in 2010, can be published under Wikimedia Commons (CC BY-SA 3.0). If it is not enough or not good license, let you write, what is wrong and Blaž will give his agreement. Let you see agreement for all(!) photos which sent to me. Why you make so great complications, when it is clear, that he gave his agreement? I waited it 10 years! Here is his e-mail: --Stebunik (talk) 20:12, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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Translate message Turn off for: Slovenian Jaz, Blaž Jelen, sem fotografiral beatifikacijo Lojzeta Grozdeta v Celju dne 13. Junija 2010. Dovoljujem, da se te fotografije objavijo pod dovoljenjem »Wikimedia Commons (CC BY-SA 3.0) I, Blaž Jelen, photographed beatification of Lojze Grozde in Celje on 13 June 2010. I give permission that these photos publish under license Wikimedia Commons cc by-sa 3.0 (his email: hmeljar@gmail.com --Stebunik (talk) 20:57, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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Mary Immaculate in church of Perlez

The above file is described as "Picture of Mary Immaculate in Orthodox Church in Perlez, Vojvodina" and it certainly appears to reflect the iconography of the Immaculate Conception. But it also says it is in an Orthodox Church. It was my impression that while the Orthodox Church recognizes Mary as "spotless" and "pure", they do not recognize the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception as they do not accept Augustine's view of Original Sin. In which case, is it possible that this picture is known by another name? Manannan67 (talk) 05:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

This is a picture that exists in Perlez (Banat, Vojvodina). All orthodoxes are not so hard and exclusive. Most of them do not know their own theology, and it is not so consistent and complete as exempli gratia Scolastic theology. I shall show examples.--Stebunik (talk) 22:34, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Picture of Mary Immaculate in Perlez

Acceptance of the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary as Immaculate - this dogma was proclaimed in 1854 from Pope Pius IX, especially on the basis of the veneration shown to her as such by the Church Fathers in the East (from 1054 Orthodoxy). Today's Serbian Orthodox Church is politically influenced by Russia, and religiously also under the influence of Protestantism (there do not venerate Holy Mary). If an Orthodox says that he does not worship Mary the Immaculate, he does not know his liturgy, which sings: “Dostojno jest jako vo istinu blažiti tja Bogorodicu. Prečisto Djevu Blaženiju i Mater Boga našeg. Suščnjuju…” =”It is very worthy to glorify the Mother of God, the Immaculate Virgin Mary”. If she was all pure (prečista), she had no sin (bezgrešna). If she is above the angels, who are all full of chastity, it means she is Immaculate, without sin, without sin original. Out of spite - because the pope proclaimed that dogma, some Orthodox do not want it, even if their own liturgy confirms that worship. It is the same with images, which again express the faith of the Christian people. This image is based on the Holy Scriptures (Apocalypse 12: 1), which the Holy Fathers apply to Mary but also to the Church. This painter applied it to Mary Immaculate - no matter what her name was. It is similar with prayers for souls in purgatory. Orthodoxy generally believes that the soul cannot go to heaven immediately after death, but must purify itself, as they say, to travel for several days. This is similar to what Catholics believe about purgatory. How true that is there, the dogmatics does not say - but through fire and torment one must purify oneself to come to heaven - except those who are doomed to eternal hellfire - there is no salvation for them. If the Orthodox would not believe in purgatory, then why would they pray for the dead? Why would a liturgy be served for them, as it was now on the 40th day after the death of Patriarch Irinej? In the meeting with the Orthodox, we often encounter great ignorance - and that is why the dialogue is difficult. Especially when faith is mixed with politics and privileges, which the Church enjoys - it does not pay taxes, no one supervises what it does… as there were protests because of that in Montenegro: "Ne damo svetinje! We do not give sanctuaries!" (= We will not pay taxes, we will not give the state of money – but the state and people must to give it us!) Without politics and power-loving, pure faith is the same - only the forms and traditions are a little different.--Stebunik (talk) 01:03, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

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